Motorcycle Tire Tech Part 2 - The Darkside - Live Dunlop Q&A
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- čas přidán 20. 04. 2020
- Exclusive on our CZcams channel, we will have a special guest live in the shop to answer all your questions about motorcycle tires. With decades of expertise, our guest Phil Waters is the National Retail Products Manager for Dunlop Tires and will certainly bring lots of information to the table. Subscribe to our channel to take part. And yes, we will even talk about going to the Darkside!
I challenge anyone, at least in the United States, to find just one insurance claim denied due to Darksiding.
Yes, it's another bias opinion. These guys are quoting fact and the inherent engineering differences. But i will not submit to the statement about "insurance companies", that is categorically incorrect and sounded like an attempt to scare you off! The fact; any tire rated for highway use is a DOT rated tire, therefore if the tire is DOT rated, there is absolutely not recourse for the insurance company.
Yeah .. I ran dark on my Wings for over 100k miles. No issues. My challenge is to find any report of a dark side coming off the rim while under way.
LMFAO they just said a car tire could slide off of the rim OMG you have obviously never put a car tire on a MC rim how can you talk about something you have never done ...
Coming from a man that sell motorcycle tires. Kinda a biased opinion lmao
I use car tires on my Harley Davidson electra glide classic 1997 for the past 20 years, I've ridden over 200.000 thousand miles, never had any issues. What the tires companies don't want you to know, is that they work just fine, for a fraction of the price. Go darkside, you will never go back!
Great close minded conversation. I just put on a firestone weathergrip on the back of my victory judge and I love it so far. You did convince me to purchase a dunlop American Elite rear 150/80b16 for the front of my bike. That's called Double Darkside!
His cutaway example of a car tire is clearly not a run flat. They have much thicker sidewalls, and are a much heavier built tire than ANY motorcycle tire. He didn't address why motorcycle tires last 1/2, or 1/3 as long as a car tire. He may be correct about insurance companies denying claims for bikes using a car tire. Insurance companies are notorious for finding ANY reason to deny paying out claims. There are a lot of things he didn't talk about...the fact that a car tire has a larger contact patch than a motorcycle tire, or that they also channel rain away from the tread better, and no mention that motorcycle tires aren't even available in a run flat...his point about the bead not matching up is kind of moot as I've never heard of a tire failing because of a mismatch of the bead on the rim...also, his opinion is slanted toward his profession. Of course he's not going to talk favorable about using a car tire....
I’ve never done this SO I’m an expert
I like how he goes “I see there is 2-3 times more material in the motorcycle tire”. Truth is though it’s 2-3 times more material but it’s soft trash that can’t hold up to the weight of a fully loaded motorcycle. And tire manufacturers will not make a high mileage motorcycle tire because they want to see that $$ coming in steady. You make a 240/40r18 or 250/40r18 motorcycle tire that lasts 20,000 miles I’ll buy it today.
While technically most of what is presented here is correct, (I don't buy the car tire coming of the rim, come on, really!). I have put quite a few miles on a darkside vtx 1300. From my experience i can say the increased braking traction is very significant! It's the only reason i avoided hitting a deer. We were two up at about 60mph. I am not trying to talk anyone into darksiding, but i have done it and will most likely do it again. Current bike came with new tires and still have life.
This has been the most comprehensive and analytical dark side discussion I have seen. Thank you
I have been doing a lot of research and have yet to find someone who stated they had a catastrophic failure darksiding. I ask the question as to why motorcycle tire manufacturers don't build a tire that can deter darksiders from darksiding? If tire manufactuers would build something that didn't require a swap out every 5 to 10k miles I think this practice would be less prevalent. No, I am not a darksider but I am considering it as I think mtorcycle riders get shafted with not only the price of tires(far more expensive than C/Ts), longevity, and mounting. Just my opinion.
I've been riding 20+ years, with 17 of those on a Road King and the last couple on my Ultra Classic. I have tried Metzler and Avon, but have always had good performance with Dunlops. In the last few years, I have been running American Elite's, and have to say that I am incredibly happy with them. I have never cheaped out on tires, as it is not only my life on that tire, but my Wife's as well. Therefore, you couldnt pay me to put a car tire on any of my bikes! Thanks for the great video!
I have a 2002 Goldwing weighing in at 1300lbs loaded out. I am on my 2nd car tire and only have 1 issue. That is I get 35k miles on the tire and that is a good thing. Dark siding is the best move I have ever made!! More rubber on the road and better handling.
Thanks for the great information. I've toyed with the idea of going dark side for a few years but I'm glad you presented the facts. I will never go dark side! I'm not cheap so I'll go for a tire designed for a motorcycle with much more robust construction than a tire designed for a car.
Great info! Thanks for sharing the facts on the tire differences.
It was a pain in the butt to try to pry(even at a tire shop) a car tire over my rim. I doubt that tires going anywhere
Thanks heaps Kev and Phil, that was the best thing I've ever seen on tyres (Australian spelling) particularly motorcycle tyres!
great video... I wanted to ask about your bike sitting over the winter and not needed to lift off the wheels with the new tire compounds...