Show and Tell: Magswitch Drill Press Vise Mount!
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2022
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Adam gets a new upgrade for his drill press: Magswitch's new vise mount that lets him quickly position and hold a vise in place on his cast iron drill press table without using any clamps. As one of Adam's most-used tools in the shop, the drill press benefits greatly from a sturdy vise when using long drill bits on big pieces of metal. And this magnetic vise mount makes sure that vise isn't budging during any drilling operations.
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Did anyone notice that the last switch he flipped crept back to Off ? Only three of the four magnets were activated when he drilled the square tubing.
yep looks like they need to be turned all the way so they lock
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed :)
And he was struggling with them too. They need to make those switches larger so you can get more purchase on it.
yep ,must be careful and check that the switch is fully turned
Would be nice if he painted half of each switch so that when the red faces the sky, he knows the switches are off, and when the black faces the sky, he knows they're safe.
It is so easy to remove and slide because it should be 90 deg to how it is now. The magnets are mostly over the slots in the table. This breaks the magnetic lines of force. I have a couple of small versions for holding indicators that are harder to remove than that is right now.
You are the best, glad you like the mount and thanks for showing it off!
One of the best advertising channels you can get :)
But definitely deserved, your products are amazing Andrew!
I would definitely get some if they were easier to get in Europe
For anyone that would like something like this but on the cheap, I made my own. I bought for magnetic tool mounts from Harbor Freight for $52. I had to buy four M8 x 1.25 x 16mm bolts as well. So for a total of $57 I have a device that does exactly what this Magswitch does but for a fraction of the cost.
Thank you for the tip. I can’t bring myself to spend more than the cost of my drill press on this but $52 is perfect. The HF skus are 63663, 5645.
@@JoshLanners Glad I could help. I use mine all the time. Whenever I need to drill something that is oddly shaped or too small to just clamp to my drill press base.
Regarding Adam's anecdote about crawling to unplug an out of control drill press: One of the best ways to remain IN CONTROL if the work gets caught and spins on the bit, is DO NOT LET GO of the quill handle, instead HOLD IT DOWN against/towards the table. The work will be trapped, unable to side off the bit or become airborne. Anything so short as to not strike the pillar, you can avoid at arm's length with just a step back (still holding down the quill) and switch OFF with the other hand.
One of the first shop safety photos I saw as a kid was a bunch of hair and some scalp in a drill press. Always gave drill presses respect, or anything rotating with high rpm's. Before I hit the green button I always think through 'okay, what can go wrong with this'.
Having been in a shop situation where a rather heavy workpiece went flying over my head from the bad work holding setup of guy running the machine 20 feet away from me; I totally agree that proper clamping is NOT optional.
The best thing about this is that it is quick and easy to install and remove. Lots of accidents (and/or scrapped parts) are due to: "Oh, just this once..." and "I can drill this and be done in the time it takes to clamp the vise to the table, let alone put it away..."
I like to use a less aggressive cutting angle for aluminum. I used the bits that have been ground for brass (same on the lathe) with good results: less grabbing, cleaner, more precise holes.
I appreciate the warning about real life drill press situations (I don't do any heavy duty machining work). This gives me pause to invest a bit more consideration to E-Stop placement.
All the machines I used throughout high school and in my grandfathers shop all had the E-stop at the base of the machine. Need to stop it, kick the switch.
@@SmallDisturbedChild Yes. THAT makes perfect sense. No need to wander around looking for the plug.
Don't bother with e stop, go hard wire in a foot pedal. Spring for the extra heavy duty "threading machine" rigid brand style with the metal cover.
@@Tigglebitties some of our machines where like this. Our grinding/polishing wheel was a pedal you had to have your foot on, step off and it cut off.
@@Tigglebitties I thought about that, but figured-with my being so inexperienced-there must be some kind of hidden impracticality making it prohibitive, otherwise why wouldn't everyone do it. (although I never believed they were any trouble when using them on the old Ridgid 300s)
5:15 the doctor during my prostate exam
Adam, you explained exactly what happened to me. I thought I would just drill a quick hole in a piece of angle iron when the bit grabbed, pulled the vice out of my hand, spun around and hit me in the ribcage and bruised my liver and lung! Spent several days in the hospital! (I was only 16) Lesson learned the hard way!
if the piece is long enough you can rotate it up against the piller, that way it won't spin like a propeller and cut your belly open. when setting vice I always do this in case it does grab even when c clamped down. or up against a stop to keep from spinning, Ran a radial drill for yrs. in machine shops and have a great fear for what a drill press can do
Now I want a t-shirt that says "I am not a calibrated instrument."
Being there done that and got the T-shirt.....and the scar on my palm to prove it, thats a cracking piece of kit, and no power needed which is a bonus
It should be redesigned with a single, larger knob that activates all four magnets.
Now I have to make one with a lever and neodymium magnets. Thanks Adam!
Well I know what I am getting My dad and myself for christmas now! Definitely need this!
Wiring a foot pedal switch was the safest thing I ever did to my drill press
I can’t believe after 50 yrs of making, how much I learn from your videos! What is the white pen you use at the end?
I've been on the wrong end of a drill press throwing material around. It's just as terrifying as you say it is and I was only working with a quarter HP motor.
Very cool, I thought it would be very useful so I did a search and it's $400! I bought my used industrial drill press for less than that, point is kind of hard to justify the price.
Cool! I'd be a little worried about rotation, but you know much more about drill presses than I do.
And magswitches are great, I use a couple in my astrodroid to make the centre leg easily removable. (Not my idea originally, there's at least one other builder who also does this.)
I use mag switches for my ground cables on my welder. Great stuff when what you are doing is magnetic :) Unfortunately now I'm learning tig welding aluminum and I'm learning ground connections from scratch again!
Awesome drill vice sir very lovely design good.
Thanks for sharing sir.
I was kind of expecting mounting a largish grind magnet and locking the vice to that. A magnet built for grind fixturing has better hold force.
Great product. Pricy, but worth it to some that need its abilities. I have a number of their smaller switches... the MagJig and MagSquare I use for shop made jigs. Love them.
My only concern with MagSwitch is the lateral loading break force is much less than the vertical break force rating, especially on a slick surface like a tool table. Just be advised that it may still have the ability to move/spin under high loads.
I love those white-out pens!
Anybody know the brand name of the whiteout pens?
Cross-slide vice is great alternative to this. Although they have limited range of movement, but also alot cheaper if youre on a budget.
And you need it anyway. I couldn't do without mine.
The look on his face when he realized the bolts were in the way😂😂😂 If I had a dollar...
I saw it, as soon he started to tighten the nut...
A classic "why didn't I think of this" but it is a brilliant idea.
Actually the problem with the finish of that hole is more to do with the rpm being too high for the size drill. some cutting oil or any oil would be a great help also .
Yeah, way too high RPM, super aggressive feed, and no lubrication.
Sneaking up on holes with multiple size drills is actually not recommended for many reasons. It causes improper wear, bad centering, and is far more likely to catch and grab the material.
I have looked through their catalogue before and I can think of hundreds of ways I could use their products, unfortunately they are priced higher than I as a hobbyist can justify.
This one is super cool and practical tho!
And that doesn't even take into account that most consumer level machines don't even have a top material useable with magnets.
Well, xheaper alternatives are to use standard magnetic locks, and use 2 to make a flat surface, using a thick plate to mount them. You need a 12V supply at around 5A to dive them, but it will not slip. Otherwise 4 cheap magnetic stands for dial indicators looks like it will do the same function, again all you need is the aluminium plate to mount them all to, and then attach the vice to the top as well. No T slots, but still cheaper.
i'm surprised Adam's drill press dosn't have big wheels to lock and unlock the table and adjust the hight. I've always wanted to do that so you don't have to mess with the fiddly little factory arrangements. going up and down should just be a spin like on a mill
Hopefully the next iteration of this product will make switching on/off more ergonomic.
I’m impatiently waiting for favorite things!
i remember working with the drill press back in like 10th grade for our FIRST competition, thing was scary when it went wild.
Great idea for locking down the vise....and then I saw the price, ouch! 😀
the amount of free hand work that Adam does with his heavy equipment always concerns me.
Too right about the nature of Aluminium. I’m a locksmith by trade and whilst manufacturing a part for a job which involved a square alum box with open back I was holding up against a wall, as the drill bit broke through the aluminium the whole thing twisted off the wall, my index finger slipped in through the open back that due to the bite of the bit twisting it off the surface I was holding it to above my head, in an instance my finger had slipped behind and in as the drill bit pushed through, driven forth by the flutes in the drill as it hadn’t fully cut all the way through the Alum and was pushed like a cork screw through my finger until it hit the other side of the piece I was drilling and finally cut through the first hole and spun completely, finally cutting the bits of flesh that the flutes had within them. It happened in a split second and I reactively withdrew the drill bit immediately. I remember that it felt like my finger at been twisted off as I hadn’t seen what had happened until I pulled the drill out. That was only with an 18v DeWalt cordless drill and a 1/4 inch drill bit! 😂 Could only wonder what damage I could do with the drill press lol. I atleast found a whole new respect for the potential carnage power tools can inflict when you let your guard down for a split second!😅. I was lucky, just a love tap compared to what potentially could happen. Haven’t injured myself with a power tool since then 10 years ago so I’m lucky! 😂
Only a 1/4” bit? That’s twice the size as my own drill in the finger accident. The good news is you and I are the safest drill press operators around now. lol.
That drill press story reminds me of the time I was standing near one of the larger bandsaws when the blade's weld snapped, causing a portion of the blade to whip out. The safety stopped it almost instantly, but if I'd been standing a couple steps to the one side, it'd have gutted me.
That's honestly one of the scariest things I've ever heard.
I saw a video someone did they used a permanent magnetic chuck and drilled holes in it for the vise works pretty much the same way but at 4x less cost think I will do mine that way as well. Although this is an amazing product no doubt about it just a bit too expensive for some.
My favorite vice mount is an x-y stage.
Well, now I need that too....
Did you check the horizontal holding power on the mag switch?
Does swarf build up over time, causing you to release the magnet to clean? There fore releasing your position? I could this being extremely handy.
Does that press have a continuously variable pulley system? Those are so fascinating to watch!
Looks like you could mount it the other way so you don't have to reach around the back to hit the switches. Also, can you use a non-slip pad for even more grip or would that weaken the magnetization?
That would kill the magnetic force. Just a few mm is enough to reduce the holding power to a fraction of the full strength.
My biggest problem with magnets in a shop, is the shavings they pick up. I have used air to remove these, but I don't really like it. Any other ideas for this
you don't have to show me the failure. I've been there. my mother who is a knife maker/ gunsmith was freehand drilling out holes in the tang of a blade and the bit grabbed the blade ripped it out of her hand and cut a nice gash in her arm. i made her never do that ever again. i bought her a vice the next day and told her if i ever caught her doing that again i'd take her drill press away. i'd of course never do that but it scared the poop out of me.
It needs a mod to bring the four knob shafts together at a single control lever that's easy to reach.
Oh, I'd love to have one of these! Where can you get them in Canada?
Using cross slide table with vise on it. Got to be precise.
I wonder about accuracy with this setup. Getting that magnetic vice situated exactly where you need it to put a hole where you want it sounds like a lot of fiddling - getting it near to where you want it, activating one magnet, then nudging and tapping it to get it right, then activating the others - and even then, getting the hole within .5mm of the mark would be the best I would think possible.
But I suppose if you need more accuracy than that, you'd use the mill instead.
Have you tried brass drills in aluminium? the leading vertical flat really reduces the tendency to grab.
Are those just random magnets that you keep on the side of the drill press?
"I am not a calibrated instrument" would be perfect for a t-shirt!
The one thing I have always told my students involved in my high school robotics team is USE THE CLAMPS. Not only for safety, but it helps with some accuracy.
Does anyone know what he is using to mark the tool at 5:44?
The white liquid in the tube
Thanks in advance
Wanna hack that tool for some crazy jig making potential? Notice that the MagSquare 165 by MagSwitch looks very similar to the size of each corner switch in this tool. It looks like the company simply took 4 MagSquares and built them into a jig that lays each on their side. Fashion up some t-track frame from 80/20 extrusions and a drilled plate from 1/4" thick flatbar, and size to your needs. The MagSquare has threaded holes on the sides (M6 I think I heard) for attaching to various other jigs. Look at their website and notice how many tools have the MagSquares as the base component. And here's a tip: the magnets don't hold in shear very well if your metal table has been waxed (as advised by some for corrosion protection), so you can apply a little RugGrip tape to the bottom of the magnet to reduce sliding.
Adam, I have been a fan of *yours* since I first watched Mythbusters, and it's because you say amazing things like, "I am not a calibrated instrument." 😏 While living in this repressed (tech/social) area, it is hard to connect with like-minded question askers and problem solvers. Any tips?
Hi, what is the propper name of the white paint pen like tool Addam used to label the vise base? Thx.
Pentel Presto Jumbo Correction Pen on Amazon
Looks great but he should reorient the vise so that the magnets are side to side instead of front to back (depending on how he most often uses the vise)
Now it just needs a 'quick-clamp' mag lock. That corkscrew seems so dated next to the mag locks.
Makes an excellent Christmas gift. ...in case any of you guys want to get me one.
Im stealing that vice-on-a-plywood. I don't have 4 giant electromagnets in my shop.😂
So does anyone know how one might get a switchable magnet they can attach just about anything to that isn’t very expensive? This is cool and might use it for an idea I have, but seems it might be overkill. Definitely not using it for a vise.
Random idea: a floor mounted emergency cut-off switch..? (For when you have to tiger crawl ;))
Plugs are sometimes hidden behind other items in a shop.
Seems like high risk items such as a drill press could use something like this :)
We actually have a floor mounted e-stop mushroom button on our drill press, with the head facing you ... if that thing goes wild, just kick it 😆
In addition to that, we have T-Slots in the drill press table, for mounting a vise
@@SystemX1983 Both good additions :)
I was considering to make a foot actuated (kinda) "deadman's switch" out of a microwave door switch - (since I'm broke ;)).
- idea / iteration A:
Power does not flow unless the foot switch is actuated first.
- idea / iteration B:
Foot switch = drill start.
Either one would make sure that the power is cut when you have to run away, duck and hide, or simply when you're actually dead. ;)
I feel like I might be missing something in the equation... (Seemed like a good idea on paper)
The Switch can handle 230V - 3A sustained (and 16A peak), so it should be able to handle my 700W hammer drill, I think.
(Using a microwave switch for a 650W angle grinder too. Cheap $20 grinder, so the original switch fried when I first used it. And I like the fact that this switch doesn't lock... for safety reasons.
If I let go of the switch or grinder for some reason, it just stops.
Like a rat tail angle grinder would)
Any thoughts on this? :)
@@iggysixx Now, in my brain, several ideas grow, how to DIY a switch for that ... but I better don't tell, almost every electrician would slap me 😆😂
Hey, Mr. Tester - How about testing what actually matters? The twisting force from a stuck drill bit is what counts, if you'd rather not see a violent injury. The vertical hold down force is worthless marketing blabber. Let's see it stay put when a 1/2 inch bit sticks in a hefty piece of Aluminum.
How about it? Can you test that?
Table saw is still worse, was in shop working my raw material through the joiner when the kids on the table saw didn’t hold on hard enough, 4 foot board flew backwards into a door (1/4 steel plate over the door stopped it… that shop was designed for screw ups). At least they knew to stand to the side or it would have impaled them.
Does anyone know the grade and thickness of the leather that are on the work benches?
He shows in an earlier episode.. czcams.com/video/ZjpPgv9XtJA/video.html but don't mention dimensions....
What’s the model of this dry out white pen again? 5:40
Pentel Presto! Jumbo Correction Pen ZL31WBP-K6 on Amazon
Power tools often lack subetlety when demonstrating who is in charge while using them.
When you go sleep after shower and you wake up with this 😅🤣
Drill Bill looks like an ancient droid doesn't he? Gonk gonk gonk weerhhhhhrrrrrrrr
I wonder if they have an electromagnet version of that, so it could be plugged in and give you even more holding power.... Cause I have seen a drill press spin an 80 pound object around like a rag doll. It was a long pipe in with a vise clamped to the table, the bit grabbed the metal of the pipe, and spun it till the pipe hit the post of the drill press. Operator was fine but his dignity landed on the floor with him. (Drill press was on lowest speed was probably only reason he was not hurt. much)
they may have great power ... until the power cuts out ... ;)
At least I think that's the reason they're using regular ones, although having electromagnets in addition to standard magnets could be fine if a bit over-engineered.
The power consumption would likely to be pretty high as well other issues that we may not be aware of ...
Ah, the spinny thing of death. Been there, survived that. Don't want to experience it again.
Can't you machine a custom T-Nut? The washers kinda make my heart hate a perfectly good product xd
Can you flip the vise 90° so you have the switches on the sides instead of front and back?
I saw some other magswitchs with only one switch, isnt this one a poorly designed product? I mean, you have to make sure 4 switches, which sometimes flip themselves back, are in the correct position which you cant quickly recognize because you cant clearly see marks near them.
Also... those magnets are so small... now I understand why you pick it up with only 40lbs of force (even tho you use the spindle as a lever) when the manufacturer advertises it for 700+lbs
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why is it available in October 2022 but not on their website, Adam?
The spec sheet claims... Maximum Breakaway Force 716.39 lbs (325.63 kg)
Adam's unit looks defective in that the spec sheet also clarifies approx 40 lbs Breakaway Force is achieved with only 1mm thick steel.
Adam just doesn't know his own strength....💪
Adam also has leverage to his advantage by pulling up on the vice handle. Focusing a lot of force to the first two magnets. The press will be applying its force vertically with no leverage, directly in the center of the four magnets.
@@Brad-lu5pc that still doesn't equal 179 lbs per corner (per magnet)
@@subliminalvibes correct. The vise is bolted incorrectly and the magnets were over holes on the plate, that's how he could lift it.... too expensive for what it is though
@@tihspeed71 thanks. I just saw another comment saying they noticed Adam didn't lock all the magnets into their ON position, so I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed it wasn't working properly.
4:52 Preventing lift is great and all, but isn't that irrelevant when you can so relatively easily jig it side-to-side like you do there? Isn't it in the horizontal direction you primarily need to prevent movement so that it doesn't spin out of control?
Yeah, I'd want something that engages the slots/holes in the drill press deck.
Sold out? The link above says "available Oct 2022"
The Magsafe is available as of November 29 2022, might look again now that all the Tested subscribers bought one. lol
Can confirm the bits break off these things and fly like bullets if you arnt careful enough
That Magvise base doesn't seem that impressive. I've been meaning to mount magnets to my current vise, but I may decide I am too lazy and try the Fein magnetic vise. I just need to catch it on sale.
Any advice for a beginner in metal work. Such as roofing and sheet metal maybe metal bending tips?
I often wonder if he would think my hole is pretty
Pretty cool, except for it costing more than my Drill press...
Nigga be out here putting switches on everything
I think you have the vice bolted down in the wrong orientation. I think its meant to go 90 to how you have it bolted to the the magnet
4:47 the last switch you turned backed off. I feel this video alone is reason for a rethink of the orangutan to machine interface. I would prefer a definitive tactile feedback in the handle the magnets are activated. Maybe a lever action instead. I wonder if this is why your able to lift the vice off the platen at all. Great idea but I feel it needs some improvements. Thank you for all you do Adam.
the only thing that would make it better is a single lever action.
Seems like at 4:43 ish the front left magnet switch wasn’t fully engaged? Potentially why it’s lifting at all.
Oops, just saw the price. No can do.😂
it should be SO easy to design the Magswitch with only one easy switch, don't know why they need four hard to use switch?
Neat
If they sent me one I would use it, but for $250.00 I guess i’m gonna have to take a pass
I wouldn't have the switches in that orientation as the back ones seem a little awkward to get to (back and front) If possible I would have them on the sides (right and left) as would be easier to turn on and off.....
Dusty chicken could use a face mask and some ear protection.
I dunno. Seemed Adam was holding back a bit there around the 4:50 mark. First he pops it off no problem, tries again and seems to suddenly be straining much more. Might be a nice product but I'm not really convinced, especially given how easily it shifts side to side as well.