John Blackthorne Tries to Commit Seppuku in Front of Toranaga Shogune Episode 10 Finale
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Anjin: I USED YOU!
Toranaga: you’ve got that backwards my guy 😏
I think in this moment, Toranaga felt incredible sadness, and guilt, in so using him, and Mariko, and that is why he spared the village.
@keithfilibeck2390 I don’t think toranaga cares about anyone other than himself. If the Anjin was annoying he would let him die.
What's interesting is that John arrived in Japan with the idea of using Toranaga to his own end. But Toranaga sought the same thing with John. Only Toranaga was the successful one.
Bro you thought
HA!!
Bro didn’t wanna lose his favorite jester 😂
In real life they became kind of like best friends, and Anjin became one of the most powerful men in the Shoguns kingdom.
@@jabloneynophony1875 >Anjin became one of the most powerful men in the Shoguns kingdom
Only powerful in the matter of consultation, not in strategic influence. Adams could advise Tokugawa on how to act but the decision was forever Tokugawa's.
William Adams was eternally seen as an outsider by the rest of Tokugawa Ieyasu's retinue... which is probably why Tokugawa trusted him so much. Adams had zero chance of being a political threat, especially after Tokugawa banned Christianity in 1614. *Real* power still lay in Tokugawa's vassals, just as is the case in European kingdoms.
John Blackthorne 1 day in Ajiro: "SAVAGES YOU ARE ALL SAVAGES"
John Blackthorne 6 months in Ajiro: "I've been only here for 6 months but if anything happens to these people I will kill everyone in this room and then myself"
He finally learned what Mariko ment by Death can also serve a purpose
He couldn't kill himself, but he killed his former self. That's why he's looking back, and we see his old self one last time.
Exactly. Interesting that the role of Blackthorne is deemphasized in this version, yet in the end his character makes a far more profound transformation. He literally sees the old man living his last days in England that he will never be, and dies to himself.
On the book , Blackthorn believes that the village will be massacred for his failure to learn sufficient Japanese. But in reality this threat is to emphasize to the village the importance of his learning so they all assist. And secretly Toranaga states that whatever is learned will be deemed sufficient.
The Anjin demonstrates he is not an enemy at all to the village by this action and that he has come to understand a great deal about what motivates the people.
Toranaga also clearly sees that the Anjin has adopted a sense of Bushido and that a Samurai should be a “ Servant” of the people as well as his Diaimyo .
Effectively Anjon has become a Samurai in his heart.
"I used you"
Join the club 😆
What club?
the master doesn't want his pet to suicide
Given that he keeps Blackthorne around because the Anjin amuses him, this checks out lol
Free the falcon, pet the human
In the show absolutely, theres an argument to be made that the real life equivalent william adams had the shoguns ear and why Portuguese were restricted from Japan, as was catholicism, and maybe even why Japan as a whole became reclusive foe 200 years
I'm drunk and I like history ignore this 💀
@@Heroiclink1 There might be more to it. After they open their ports, they quickly adopt British parliament and Navy systems with a monarch.
I love the tiny details in this show, like Blackthorne holding the blade to his heart rather than his stomach since that's how Mariko did it
After watching the final episode, I realized a few things: 1. Mariko was a perfect example of a samurai 2. Torunaga was neither good or evil, and 3. A war can be won without a final clash.
Mariko embodied a sober yet refreshing depiction of a samurai, without the romanticisms of Seven Samurai or The Last Samurai and the girl-power madness of Kill Bill. The word samurai means “to serve”. That meaning defined Mariko’s actions up to her death. She knew that she was going to her death when she headed for Osaka but she was serving her lord as a samurai should. By giving her life, she didn’t just save Torunaga’s son but she died in a way that discredits Ishido and assured Torunaga’s victory. Mariko did not have an over-the-top duel with an enemy but she made her last stand fitting the last of her samurai bloodline. Blackthorn may have understood Mariko’s thinking when he attempted seppuku to protest Torunaga’s punishment of his village.
Torunaga’s true colors showed on the last episode. He was neither a hero or a villain. He was playing 4-D chess to become the next Shogun and he had no problem using his most loyal followers as pawns, even it meant them dying. Although he was Machiavellian to say the least, he wants to become a Shogun to unify the country. He does some bad things for the greater good. However, some of his actions could be seen as noble, albeit self-serving. He saved Blackthorne from killing himself, maybe to repay him for saving his life during the earthquake or to use him for getting a fleet out of it. Torunaga also saved Mariko from killing herself, perhaps out of compassion or the need of her “last stand” in Osaka to ensure his victory without a battle.
Well there was a final battle historically. That's what torunaga describes on the cliff. It was one of Japan's biggest land battles in history.
well sekigahara happened and toranaga aka tokugawa won and a 250 year peace was established
@@dominic663436000 died
I agree on Toranaga. Also keep in mind that he had a difficult hand to play at the onset, and that the alternatives to surrender and an - if honourable - death were essentially play the political long game or embroil the realm in a costly war. Yes, his actions were self-serving, but also preserved the nation, whereas more morally pure characters would have caused havoc with reckless - if honourable - actions.
@@dominic6634 This is one of the things I preferred the book. The book takes you on so many twists and turns and in the end explains everything that happens in the end. It is war because wether there is bloodshed or not, it matters not to Toranaga so long as he can win. You can only read it again to truly realize the depths of Toranaga 's manipulations. Everyone will fight and die for him thinking he will protect the heir and even if he becomes Shogun it will just be until yaemom is old enough to inherit. But of course Toranaga will betray them all and take everything for himself..the show is much more open ended. Still a great job on the show.
I’ve never seen John’s actor in anything before but man Cosmo can act! Best performance from all the actors of the show the best I’ve seen this year.
God so intense ..could we not just discuss this over starbucks
In the real story, Anjin was not allowed to angrily yell at any Daimyo or Samurai whenever he felt like it.
God Starbucks is god awful, why not some tea prepared by Fuji?
How kind of Toranaga to stop a suicidal person just for him to build ships for him! so sweet!
He gave him purpose
I doubt that he was as ruthless to keep him around just because he made him laugh, he saw something in him thats what I like to think. Old ways can hardly be understood by us outsiders I know this well, there is more to it than depiction of Toranaga as just a power hungry individual.
Probably because with an outsider, like Anjin, he can just enjoy his company. He cannot do that with his own people, because he basically must “play the game of thrones” with his people.
Blackthorn has other values to toranaga. He serves as a distraction to antagonize the catholics who will become toranaga's new enemy once he unifies japan. Blackthorn will also be useful to teach the Japanese how to build western style seafaring vessels so they will no longer be dependent on the Portuguese for trade.
@@gameboyn64 bingo
@@gameboyn64
Excellent point on Blackthorne possibly being able to break Japan’s dependency on the Portuguese for international trade/commerce since he’d be able to show them how to REPLICATE a Western seafaring vessel.
I didn’t even CONSIDER that.
@@jaythomas468 don't forget toranaga need him to train his soldier in using cannons
I believe he refused to let him die not because he "entertains" him, rather repaying him for saving his life in the earthquake and respecting the self sacrifice for the villagers. He admired that John finally grasped the honorable ways of the Japanese. He is not all bad after all. The "make me a fleet" had two faces too.
1- to give John a purpose to live for, because he knew very well he loved Mariko and lost all interest to live
2- Why not make himself more powerful out of it.
The man is simply a psychology and a strategic master. He has absolute self-control in addition to everybody else around him. One of the very best characters ever written hands down..
“Why not make himself more powerful out of it”
I don’t understand where people get the “Toranaga had it in the bag all along” from, because he said so? John trained them in cannonry, had proven himself to be an exemplary ship pilot, and knows how to build European ships. Toranaga isn’t just having John build him a fleet “because why not?” But because Portugal would absolutely steamroll Japan if it doesn’t modernize, with or without Christian bushōs.
Toranaga needs John’s help to secure the future of Japan. He would never admit it because of his pride.
@@YungBeezer There was no exact way to interpret Toranaga. You interpret him this way, I, that way (while I don't see much of a difference between the 2, and I only see someone who wants to go "I am smarter than yall" kinda person)
Chill dude.. It's a show. And the beauty of it is giving everyone a way to imagine things. I am open minded to people's opinion and you seem aggressive about other's..
Comparing me to you does that make me a better person? 🤔joke 😂. just enjoy the show the way it suits you and let me do the same plz.. in peace. Amen😁
John learned not just the words from Mariko hut also the lesson. That Death can he used as a weapon too. Marikos death was Crimson Sky. John knew his death would force Toranaga to do what he wants. And even if he doesnt. Hell die and join Mariko
John has had enough of this. Can’t say I blame him.
Blackthorne looked so broken
well he is at the end result of all of Torunaga's Machiavellian plots, he's the "last man standing" to see it all end, everyone else already fell on their swords, so to speak.
Can't blame him. When he thought all was lost, he found something to live for again, then he lost it as well.
2:23 Ouch!😬
Toranaga slaps him on the back at then end. Well done, but you don't have to die for me just yet.
Would be wild if Toranaga actually could understand Portuguese/English the entire time.
Mariko most definitely taught him.
In the shogun episode of military history series, Heroes and Villains, Tokugawa Ieyasu (Yoshii Toranaga) and all the other characters speak English for western audiences. In that episode, Ieyasu is portrayed by Japanese-American actor, James Saito.
"Bushido is realized in the presence of death. This means choosing death whenever there is a choice between life and death. There is no other reasoning." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo
With Blackthorne's willingness to choose with meaning, this signifies both his karma binding him to Japan and also Toranaga's realization that he has found a daimyo in the Anjin after all, which is why he saves him.
"Death serves no purpose for you. Building a ship, that is a purpose."
Anjin - "I used you"
Toranaga - yeah, about that..
This is a better depiction of Toranaga than the 80's version, whilst he might do some callous things it's the big picture and greater good.
greater good.. for him, he isn't a evil guy, but all he does, is so he can become Shogun and oust the Heir's family line, which he did, and slaughtered them all to the last.
@@keithfilibeck2390We don’t know that
@@Eagle09-nv5xdyes we do. His real life counterpart, Tokugawa Ieyasu, did just that. When the heir came to age, Ieyasu ordered for him to be killed and his family to be slaughtered because the other lords could and would side with the heir and rise up against him.
@@zedzedzzzzzz3dwell they got the last laugh with the Meiji restoration albeit 200 years later
@@zedzedzzzzzz3dThat is real life. But we don’t know for sure what he did in the show.
Episode 10 was amazing. I know many probably wanted the spectacle of a big battle with dramatic blood & gore & special effects but this episode was far more poignant & emotional with its story telling & exposition.
The actual battle of the events that this story was modeled after in real life was epic. Some regents defected to Toranaga’s side which helped him prevail. The manipulative power hungry Lord that Ishido was modeled after was captured & buried up to his neck where he supposedly lasted for 3 days until he died.
This series was amazing & scenes like this in Episode 10 were moving& emotional. The acting was incredible. Despite being shady, I really like Yabushige. It’s a shame he betrayed Toranaga & Mariko which led to her death. The actor playing Yabushige crushed it. It totally sucks that we’ll only get this one season. This is one of the few shows Hollywood has cranked our recently that wasn’t garbage or laden with an agenda or ideological messages. Some of these actors like Hiroyuki Sanada as Lord Toranaga & Anna Sawai as Lady Mariko better get some awards for their superlative performances
That battle was never gonna be shown as even in the book it’s talked about for just a few lines.
2:23 - Do not be so reckless with your sword!
*Punches Anjin. Anjin falls on sword.*
"I used you"
Bro if 2 people are using eachother it's called cooperation. :D win win
This show was the definition of F around and find out
He keeps him round for the lolz
This was me every time my girlfriend used to get roaring drunk and start fights in bars.
Broke him to his fist like a falcon.
Training complete.
i havent seen so much porwerful scene since game of thrones glory days in a tv show
This was a very interesting restructuring of Blackthorne’s attempted seppuku in Clavell’s original novel, where it took place much earlier in the story and under rather different circumstances. Was it better? worse? YMMV, but I thought this was pretty cool.
Blackthorne always loved a challenge and hated being useless. When Toranaga saw Mariko’s prayer beads in Blackthorne’s hands Toranaga knew Blackthorne wanted to die to be with Mariko.
Blackthorne had no home to go to, no Mariko, and was the type of man who needed a mission Toranaga knew Blackthorne could live to help him win and help give the village and Blackthorne purpose by building a fleet.
Master would not get his daily dose of laughter
Wolverine and the silver samurai
Did I see a hint of respect in Toranaga's face after he stops Blackhorne? It seems that, despite his reprimand at the apparent foolishness of his servant, he is pleased that the Anjin is adopting a sense of bushido honor code by being willing to gut himself (ouch!) for the sake of the village. Great acting from Hiroyuki Sanada.
Mariko! We love you
Toranaga really tortured a whole village and killed innocent villagers just to keep his image 🤣 🤣🤣🤣
Toranaga was like “that’s where you’re wrong, it was ME using YOU! Congratulations, you played yourself.”
When in Rome 😂
i miss mariko-sama not being there to translate 😢
Taki = enemy, is like the ancient Aramaic "Taki" which means to "pearce" like the English to "Tack" which is connected to "attack". We see a common connection between languages. Making it easier to learn. Taki = attack.
In Japanese it's 'teki' not 'taki'
@@MultiTrickster121 Thanks, in the ancient languages vowels change the grammer not necessarily the meaning. The "A" sound like in the word cup is associated with understanding, people sometimes say "aha" when they understand. In contrast the "E" sound as in the word egg is associated with celebration like in the word "yes!".
Great acting
what he said about the eagle and a man. u can both break them and make something out of them.
I hope Blackthorne was able to give Fuji sama a good pillowing before she became a nun.
I was rooting for them too
He did bang her , and she commited seppuku
Toranaga: rebuild that ship
Anjin: why thank you, that is very generous of yo-
Toranaga: so I can burn it again 😎
Anjin: 😑 bruh…
Toranaga: 😎✌️
Does anyone who know japanese know the phrase Anjin says at 1:58?
Does it start with "Watashi"?
Watakshi - I'm, or I
He is using the correct language, learn Japanese
He say 'Watakushi' which is the polite way of saying 'Watashi'. It often is only used in formal situations or by workers in the service industry
@@MultiTrickster121 thanks!
At the end he finally understood the value of life.?
he understood the value of death
In almost every clip of this show someone is doing or trying seppuku.They seem really obsessed about it.
Same.
yeah, lil bit
That's why Japan's suicide rate so high
In the final episode i was hoping for a big battle.
Skill issue
Why? even in the book the battle covers just a few sentences so it was never gonna be shown.
If you hoped for a big battle, then clearly you did not understand what the series is about.
At 1:25 there is a moment we see old Blackthorne again. But What is happening exactly? its like a moment of seeing the ghost of Christmas future. Did young Blackthorne change his future? Is Old Blackthorne holding Marikos cross? Didn't Blackthorne end up letting it go? What is happening?
After the explosion Blackthorne had a dream about his potential future if he returned home to England in this moment he is reminded of this dream but by attempting to kill himself and dropping the cross into the sea he rejects that future
It wouldn't have been Seppuku. Seppuku is a formal ritual suicide where you disembowel yourself. John was going to stab himself in the heart in protest.
It is sepukku, but what Blackthorne was trying to do was a variant called "kanshi" in which a retainer would commit suicide in protest of a lord's decision, on this case the village witch hunt.
Blackthorne lacked proper education to do a proper sepukku, but the intention was the same by killing himself in a way he knew
This waS not just a seppuku, it was a straight up funshi.
what is the difference?
It the original Blackthorne tries to kill himself through through the collar, which is the woman's way of committing seppuku (although usually done with a very short knife blade-up from the ground). He didn't know better, and that was the point of reference to him.
Technically, what Blackthorne is attempting here would be a "kanshi" (or remonstration death).
He become mariko he wanted to die but denied because his a pet of toranaga 100% his gonna use him just like how he use mariko
Not sure how much gesturing to explain that "I fed you sh it" line would help, if the other language doesn't have the same expression. I don't speak Japanese, but I speak a bunch of European languages that don't use that metaphor.
Wow
Question? If he tosses Mariko's cross in the water, how does he have it in his old age?
Logically, it must be another cross he obtained to remember her by.
The old age is a dream
the old age clip is only a dream not real. He dies in japan
The "old him" is just his dream of the future. The future where he wasn't able to let go of Mariko and move on. Just like his real life counterpart, John William Adams, he stayed, lived, and died in Japan while occasionally going on a voyage on parts of Asia but never sailed to go back to his home country.
This EP was called A Dream of a Dream. The old age of John Blackthorn was him dreaming of still having the cross.
if you play "My Mother and My Father" OST in the background at 1:40, it fits really well
your welcome
Once you break their will you can make them believe anything.
The new assasins creed should have been about him
Toranage sacrificed his childhood friend, his general.... but he saves the funny white guy 😂
He sacrificed them for a reason. And he needed funny white guy for a reason also.
Toranaga made a promise to mariko to keep John alive. Before dying mariko made a deal with the church that they spare John’s life and in return she would make sure that he doesn’t leave Japan (so that 1. He isn’t able to go back to the Dutch and tell them of Japan, increasing the trade competition and 2. He isn’t able to wage war against them which he intended to do so). She negotiated with toranaga to burn his ship so that he isn’t able to leave. Keeping him alive was a way to honour mariko’s dying wish and to also keep him on a tight leash.
Cry.
I've only thought about it now, but, seppuku is supposed to represent an honorable method of death, right? A sinner who refused to do it was seen as dishonorable, but what about the person who prevented someone from doing it? You're basically denying him his choice of getting an honorable death. That should've been a terribly disrespectful thing to do, isn't it? Wonder if Toranaga only stopped Blackthorne because he was a foreigner.
Soooo… Toronaga approved the destruction of Anjis ship, and now he’s torchering and beheading his own people to “find out who the traitors are”? He’s killing Christians to get rid of those he deems disloyal? All in an effort to be Shogun, rule Japan? How is he the good guy? He’s a tyrant no different then Ishido, clawing he’s way to power and using whoever he needs to, he knows he essentially sent Mairiko to her death AND watched his most trusted friend Toda commit seppeku to deceive his enemies. Oh and the death of his son. I mean WTH?!
Are you bringing your 21st century moral compass to a 17th century feudal Japan?
@@simonjohn354
Or he's looking for consistency of stated character motivations.
It's the exact same accusation Yabushige throws at Toronaga before his death, so... no: it's a 17th century feudal Japanese moral compass as far as this show is concerned.
That is very much the point of his character. He’s not supposed to be the good guy. He’s falsely moralistic and extremely cunning, and isn’t any different than those he seeks to usurp. His true identity being something he’s only comfortable revealing to a dead man.
Toranaga is Ned Stark but with brain. What he done for greater good
he is in fact is tyrant and yes, all that effort to be Shogun. i mean he never say he is good guy. but it not just power, thx to him japan was at peace for next 10 years. want to know what happened after 10 years ? Christians
isnt it called sudoku man?
with the retrospect of what toranaga said at yabu's seppuku, him saving blackthorne now has two meanings:
1. toranaga likes blackthorne and isn't willing to let him die over this.
2. toranaga isn't done with blackthorne yet.
He decided to fully commit to killing himself after imagining living a life being constantly reminded about the dearest love of your life that you’ve lost. Now he understands Mariko’s pain.
Denied
This went so far off the rails…
Suicide is considered a sin in christianity btw.
In the original that is the reasoning that Yabu and Omi adopt when Blackthrone threatens them with seppuku to save the village: that he won't go through with it because he is Christian. They soon realize he really means it, and Omi stops him just in time right as the blade is about to pierce his own collar.
Remind me to not watch any more shows with cosmo jarvis.. this show was a massive dud. If you want japan culture then watch, if you expected a story and battle teased through all 10 episodes and similar to the last samurai, don’t bother watching.
I like how "teki" which is "enemy" was catched as "dicky" in subtitles.
anyway this scene is pointless in comparison with original series.
cope
Way better than the original
@@carljohnson9726 ruined characters development and arc. Ok. Beauty in the eyes of the beholder. So in the eyes of Z-generation even Vedmak by Netflix “better than original” cause some pew-pew special effects outa place and “deep actors” that just ride the hype train.
I do agree that there is some scenes that was developed better than in original. This scene definitely not from that list.
@@feelcollins9191I’m 65 and overall think this was a much more interesting and accomplished visual interpretation of a novel I really liked than the one released in 1980. Please don’t generalize by generation.
@@michaelhall2709 wisdom comes with age. sometime age comes alone.
Not like the book at all, not even in the slightest.
well, the book was kinda of average. interesting but not steller
@@dominic6634
Shogun: sold 6 million copies by 1980
dominic6634: "It wasn't steller"
@@ThreeSeatStarboard If you want to go by sales, Twilight must be peak literature. It's sold over 160 million copies.
@@ThreeSeatStarboard well readings about personal taste man.
@@0451K The Shogun novel was also insanely acclaimed by critics and was extremely influential in sparking Western influence in Japan. It is not simply a random novel, you could argue it changed the cultural idea of orientalism in the west forever. Every single "white guy in the east" story now takes influence from it. It's a 1500 page monster, I don't know how someone can consider it "not stellar".
けっこう…虎長の言葉どうりに按針を「笑わすから」とかの感覚で子飼いにしてるとそのまま受け取ってる人が多いのね。
あの最終回のセリフは立場ある人の半分照れ隠しみたいなもんで
案外按針の考え方にシンパシーがあると見てます
友達とも違うけど外国にもこんなヤツがいたのか、的に認めているんだけど
利用価値や道化者とすることでそう悟られないようにしてる感
日本映画だと最終回のセリフもそういう描き方な気がする
just a 10 episode series? really ?
All good things come to an end.