Do Ableton Live and FL Studio have DIFFERENT Sound Engines? | Fact Or Myth | DECAP
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It's amazing that in 2020 people are still thinking there is a difference! Fastest debunk I've seen yet! Great work and I'm loving your kits, congratulations on your recent Splice milestone!
thank you bro!!
Bump on that! I'm one of those 4 million DLs. Keep up the hard work, the both of you, it's inspiring to people like me✌
Facts it’s all in the mind
Actually it does but from FL13 to 20 because they tweaked some settings default and FL official CZcams channel already mentioned that in a video.
Not accurate. Audio engines reveal their strengths and weaknesses in the mixing and processing. This isn’t a a debunking video, it’s just sample layering, Ofcourse they’ll sound the same. Ableton, Cubase … avid etc… all research and develop their audio engines independently… anyone thinking they are all the same needs to dig deeper.
Turns out its not ableton i just suck at making beats Thanks Decap
lmao best comment ever
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Genuine and honest + best comment ever, nice one.
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Thank god someone sayed it. This reel gives me goosebumps tho
fastest debunk in the history
thanks to god
No unecessary BS and commentary, it just goes straight to the point.
Put the file in the stock samplers in the different DAWs and use stock effects and it will sound different. 😂
You just singlehandedly destroyed the rivalry. Now we can all shake hands and get on with our favourite DAW!
People think FL and ableton sound different but, as an fl producer, it’s because there is a limited on the master track which kills a good mix in fl studio
Nothing wrong with the limiter on the master. If you don't go above 0db then it will not effect the sound.
@@rodnee2340no the limiters default attack n release is for edm
I use both FL and Ableton. it's easy to make beats in FL for me, I started with FL Studio 3, so back then recording in FL was a nightmare, so I used other daws for recording. FL improved over the years, but I still find it hard to record and manipulate wave files.
Has that changed since you posted this?
Decap lits just snapped on everyone and reminded us the powers of phasing
brooo , i was just thinking the same thing
The UI of DAWs tricks us into thinking that they sound different.
The limiter on fl that people usually put on the master is what gives that typical fl rap beat color to the sound!
they do sound different, INSIDE the daw. FL studio has a built in soft clip limiter so anything over 0 can sound better. while Ableton clips over zero. This is why people think drums sound better on FL. Want to test this? Record the system audio [using a third party software] coming out of Ableton while clipping 2db, vs FL clipping 2db. You'll see the wavs are completely different.
Someone using their thinker
I knew it was something with FL Studio! I didn't realize there was a built in soft clipper. Thank you for this.
Not everyone uses the default template when opening FL Studio. Or you have an empty template or a customized one loading at start-up there will be no difference at all.
@@Uchawibeatz he's not talking about the default limiter in the template. it's about how the programs handle signals over 0db, which in the eyes of the developers, shouldn't really be happening anyways, so its not something they care much about.
Man it’s digital, literally no difference dufus
Haters going to say it's fake.
But great job decap!!!
THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOUUUUUUUuuuuu!!
No difference at all, its funny how some will debate this until pigs can fly! lol
This is mostly the new era of producers everything has to be "SUPER"
FL is super better , FL is super easier, and super ect and blah blah blah blah!
while us older producer are like....Its all on how you work with what you "GOT"
Learn it and master the tools at hand and everything else will come to play!
Thanx again bruh, hope all is well and Keep up the amazing work!
Bro I feel like producers nowadays are getting worse and worse, especially mixing and mastering. Many just use their shitty airports and think they can do this properly.
I like the fact that the video was quick & to the point lol
I used to believe in it but it's just the FEEL of it. It takes me forever to make an incredible drum beat in ableton even though I understand piano roll fully, yet in FL studio I can make an incredible drum pattern super fast.
..i am a 10 years logic x user and 6 months ago i have tried cubase 11, and I was shocked when i started to experiment with cubase..find out that it sounds much cleaner and wider than logic x..logic is good but it sounds kinda saturated comparing to cubase...maybe it that 24/32 bit float thing dont know..but cubase sounds much warmer and 3d....i love logic its rock solid rarely crashes and the workflow is amazing...its just apple...but i hope they will improve the sound engine soon maybe in logic 11( if it comes out after 10 years.)...regards and thanks for your amazing videos....
10/10 video
Put in the work and got straight to the point
You did the null test. Nice. Great short man. I’ve been using Ableton for the past 3 weeks as my main DAW. Logic is still in the toolbox for me but Live has my attention. Lol
This is the video the world needs to see!!💯👏🏾👏🏾
Dylan Tallchief did really good video on this topic! Soo if anyone is interested
Yeah in fact most DAWs nowadays have the same quality of rendering. Its possible people might be mistaking the processing of audio when it peaks beyond 0 db in FL Studio vs Ableton. In Ableton it just hardclips while in FL Studio there's a choice if you want the audio to be clipped or limited.
How do you choose between clipped or limited in fl studio?
Dont know why people think they’re different. Always, DAW does not matter, your skills as a producer does.
For everyone saying it’s ludacris to think there’s a difference , timbaland just said in his recent producergrind interview that he hears a difference between daws!
Timbaland, the only person on the planet who is above physics. A one true god that defy's the null test. Yeah, get real dude...
@@unused0011 🤣🤣🤣
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it's because of stock plug ins bro. I faced this problem myself, I made a beat in both, same vst and plug ins but used both DAWs respective EQs, and that changed the sound quite a bit. Ableton was muddier with bigger bass sound, and FL had a thinner bass with better seperation in mids and highs. Although both EQs were cutting the same frequencies etc..Moral of the story, use Pro Q3 lol.
Fkn mythbuster! Been hearing your name for so long always thought you were too cool to have a CZcams and then lStnight your videos popped up on my feed. Appreciate your sound design tips. Hope to get more in the future 🙏
Of course there is no difference when you drop an audio loop into both daws, but if you program a beat with the stock sampler (or even 3rd party vsts) there is a subtle but to me very noticable difference. Tried everything to make sound Ableton like FL and it's just impossible
this goes btw. for mpc software, reason and pro tools too 🤷♂️
War officially over.
But it Fails to work the same when it comes to 'Ekali blessings kick'
People probably don’t take the stock master plug-ins off on FL. 😅
Yes
Underrated video
how can something as complex as sound quality be boiled down to simply nulling a digital representation of a waveform? for example, are we sure that no other back end code is required to take you from that digital representation to the sound coming out of the speakers? i agree that all daws have standardized the process of digital representation of a waveform which would explain the magical "nulling" that people love to pledge allegiance to.
Test It in Cubase!
☝️ I've noticed and I've done several blind tests that C++ DAWs sound better, and quite different than FL Studio. I didn't want that to happen since I love FL Studio and its Rolo piano, but I did the comparison between FL Studio and Cubase 12, with exactly the same parameters, samples and plugins with nothing on the main channel. Result is that in the IK Multimedia spectrogram, Cubase has more sub harmonics and the sound seems to be warmer. In FL Studio, the sound sounds thin as if it needs something else to add weight. Good luck to everyone! 🔥
Exactly!! And our ears tell us this! That same flimsy sound has always been apart of FL! The proof of what you're saying is that the solution has always been to saturate/add harmonics to the sound. Those harmonics are subtle but they are definitely there and make a huge difference in the overall scheme
🤣 there are still in the comments trying to claim otherwise, hilarious
I still have the benefit of the doubt....
The wave / mp3 bounces might be identical but the playback engine within each software seem different....
Nobody gives a shit about the playback engine, and even this is likely to be false. You cannot doubt if you have the perfect proof that you're wrong.
👊🏽💯💯💯💯bro
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Maybe inside DAWs theres a difference?
thats cause fl comes with a limiter by default in a new project
Thanks for doing this
Bro did a null test and people in comments still convinced that sound is different. Or that DAW coloring output sound. We really live among idiots.
Didn't FL use to have their "Soundgoodizer" preloaded on the channels by default? I use ableton now, but i remember that being the case. That could trick a lot of people into thinking FL sounded better.
Having Soundgoodizer on by default probably messed up a lot of mixes for people, don't know why they did that.
have you tried listening with headphones
Love this !
Nah man.. the sounds different when playing it back IN the daw.. not after exporting.. tho this might also just be due to some people using ASIO and some not..
Thank you for your videos🙏🏻
Which program do you used for comparing tracks?
Well that was quick
You repeating same thing over and over but try to put a clean kick (not yours which are overly saturated) on a fl sampler vs live sampler. I've been using both for different genres and I can testify outcome is different.
💯💯💯👊🏽
It’s the limiter on the master in FL
Ok but with stock plug ins which sounds better? Mixed by a pro or just a basic mix
Fl is colored has a more rounded off tape type sound, Highs are duller. The difference is clear as day, if you have high quality monitoring. All daws sound different, that's why you get different results using them. Drums processed in fl, sound different than other daws. Its not a better or worse, its just preference. Ableton sound the closest to Fl but its still a sonic difference. Compare Fl to logic or studio one.
Bro, you just watched a null test. Oh my days 🤦🏽♂️
@@unused0011 do the ear test
@@CoolDali this is the most dumb thing i have ever heard in my entire life. Research the null test for gods sake.
@@CoolDaligoated comment!!!
Ableton better to work on MacOS or Windows ? What do you think ?
can you do one to test clipping the master cuz I hear that one being said a lot too
it actually is clipping +5db on both!
Those who dont know prolly new to daw and got doctrined to say this that daw is better, different, yada yada yada.. so on. What matters is you not the daw.
I can hear sounds in my high precions monitor and infrasound meter
The playback of different daws may be different to my ears though, not the rendering. These differences may be more obvious when you use the same 3rd party time based effects in different daws.Everybody is doing null tests on the renderings not on playbacks. Anyway fastest null test on youtube. Big up!
You are one of the few people i have ever seen point this out and i think its often overlooked in this debate. I share the same opinion. Playback sound can differ between the rendered file and that's where many people may think they are going crazy. It also becomes more apparent the higher your cpu is being hit during playback when say you have a big session running. But ye, the rendered files from daws, all thing being equal in their sessions, will sound identical when bounced.
Use an external device to record the audio coming from the headphone output and you'll get the answer to your question
Headphones themselves have a built in eq or frequency response so that's not a unbiased comparison.
decap the goat
Yes
But the compressors and eqs and other built in plugins? Don’t they sound different?
I heard logic's is different? never used it myself so no idea, be cool to maybe see that debunked?
Bull test for the win
Good shit lmaooo all you had to do was invert that phase
haters be looking for any reason to hate you for that now 😂😂
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Can you do the same thing for Logic vs Ableton/FL? I still my suspicions about Logic tbh.
Can you yourself do the same? He literally showed all the steps.
Its just the FL-noobies who have some kind of automated mastering, eq or volumecontroller enabled that makes it sound crooked
Yeah it's hard to turn off if you fon't know how.
@@axelode45 what is there to turn off
@@441snipes The Limiter that's on the master by default.
@@axelode45 ohk
@@axelode45 right-click and delete is definitely hard if you don't know how 😂
lol.. great!
yeah i remeber fl studio as fruity loops back in 1999/2000. back then it sounded way diffrent compared to cubase/reason at the time... it really had a horrible metallic reverby sound way back...
times have of course changed. I do belive that FL studio still carries some legacy from that time tho, but it's not true these days, it sounds just as good as any other daw..
why drums often hit harder in fl studio is actually not because of the sound engine, it is because of the default settings. Fl Studio has its dynamic settings higher than ableton (=if you change the velocity in the piano roll in fl studio, it has a bigger impact than ableton on default settings). You can change the default setting in ableton by going in the simpler to "controls" and than set the "Vel>Vol" higher. On sampler its under "Filter/Global"
The default settings and how the workflow is in different daws have a huge impact on the producer.
Underrated comment! If you load a kick into Abletons simpler, click in some kicks on the piano roll and turn their velocity all the way up it´l clip like crazy, while on FL it might not even touch 0dB. Was a huge aha moment when i discovered that, cause all the beat producers are turning the velocity al the way up in FL and it never sounded as bad, as when i did that in Ableton.
@@prodbyadl no one ever said they behave the same way when you start adding different things or changing things, or that they have the same work flow..... what are both of you even talking about?
@@patrickmcpartland1398 That people say that both DAWs sound different because if you do the same things (crank velocity on kicks or 808s for example) it'll sound way different.
@@prodbyadl do you even know what velocity is? Because when you load in a sample to either DAW's piano roll, velocity just acts as gain 😂😂😂
Ableton clipper starts slapping at 0db
I think FL Studio soft saturates in the red. So if you gain stage hot you get some harmonics.
"think" ? Well does it or not?
@@unused0011 I think therefore I am. So that means it does.
@@theblowupdollsmusic "trust me bro" thanks, but no thanks.
@@unused0011 I'm welcome. :)
Debunk
So true lol. I always giggle when people say things like that lol. Thanks for putting it to rest.
Pan law.
I'm an FL user and I'm ngl I kinda liked how it sounds in Ableton better. If you listen close, in Ableton they're more punchy by a tad. The FL example you can hear the highs clash with the kick, giving the illusion (at least to me) that the drums are fatter. Nonetheless I have to say I liked the Ableton version better. Now whether or not I'm actually hearing that is the question haha
my headphones are too shitty to pick up the frequencies so I couldn't tell you.
Try to put a kick in Ableton sampler and in FL sampler on the same lvl, then clip it hard with Classic Clipper lets say and see if there is no difference. Its not the engine that is different - it has something to do with oversampling or channel summing or latency compensation idk, but its clearly heard when you press it hard.
I swear tho the panning is different. when you pan left in right it sounds so dif in FL
because of panning law!
it's true I don't care what idk say
They'll still hate, watch.
Haha, probably yes!
Very true
dude is high af
Now if it was analog…👀
hello as you know, in fl studio there is the performance mode where you can play several patterns of different sizes at the same time (2 - 4 - 8 - 16 - 32) . many times i go on the imagine line forum. but no solution has been found. Mobius is not easy to set up and I'm not sure that Mobius loops the midi signals. Unfortunately I have to add the notes in advance in the piano roll.
This is a pity because it would allow you to add in real time while looping and controlling the effects at the same time and you would be more aware of what you are adding. I understand that midi mapping is used by the performance mode; when enabled, it cuts the midi link between the controller and the software. So what we need is a kind of double mapping. If someone comes up with an alternative like that, they'll be blessed by the gods.
midi does sound different, test an 808 midi pattern on both and youll hear how ableton has artifacts that i havent been able to get rid of
I use ableton and never had that problem care to elaborate?
@@Adrik808 there is a video on my channel demonstrating the difference. may have to upload more though.
Having different sound enshrines doesn’t necessarily mean they sound noticeably different.
Layered mere samples sound the same bounced. But when you begin mixing and mastering that’s when the strengths of opposing DAWs reveals their audio engine strengths.
plugins and rendering engines are two different things altogether. Plugins also process audio themselves so it is possible to clip or limit the signal with an unrelated effect if that's how the developers made it. also different plugins of the same type of effect may adjust the sound differently. For example use fruity limiter to do limiting versus the Ozone limiter and you'll find that the fruity limiter screws up transients while Ozone doesn't.
Ableton warping messes with the sound
Fl users often think that but that is just because they have a clipper on thé master lmao
there’s a difference.
Everyone knows that tracks made in live 11 smack way harder than tracks made in live 10
Sounded the same to me
Ableton sounded better and I’ll die on that
Let me say this again for people who refuse to accept the phase cancellation test nullifying out to unity when he phase inverted one of the tracks by a 180°. YOU ARE WRONG, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE! Have a nice day✌
I feel like logic sounds different to ableton, dunno why.
hahaha this is hilarious
Ableton has more of a low-mid crunch. Sort of a crunch. Just a tad. But if you're exporting the stems you will not hear the difference.
I haven't used FL since 07/08, the last version I used was 7 and at that time I could hear a slight difference between it and Sonar 8. It was minimal but was definitely there. It sounded a bit more "muddy".
From what I see FL is a full DAW now, and has fixed most of the issues it had
dope vid but do the same example with midi notes and the same drum kit
How about FL 12 vs 20. I always hear that 12 or maybe it's 11 has a special knock or sound that 20 lacks. I also heard Alex Tumay say something about some automatic compression when you bounce out of FL, so maybe it's something to do with that?
Actually not long ago Imageline cleared this up all the way back FL 11. its the same and there's no hidden compressor unlike Ableton 9. As long as the master doesn't have anything(and you're not going beyond 0 db where it clips or limits the audio) then you will have the raw audio.
The fruity limiter is garbage. But honestly the abelton one ain’t much better. Once you buy a dedicated limiter you will sound much better.
The reason it sounds different is because each daw has a different preview volume. fl has a preview volume lower than abletone. Our brain feels that the louder the volume, the better the sound.
No