THE MOON BEAR! | The Best Tank in The War Within?
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- Which tank are you guys playing in the War Within?
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I was going to main this in the TWW. This kinda solidified my pick
haste and crit could be quite a nasty build for Elunes chosen. I could see 30-40% mix and match doing some nutty damage. I think it'll scale better than a prot pally.
I play only DPS but I like watching your videos, getting to know all specs in TWW and what they offer
I think tanks do much better when they have shield healing vs health bar healing. Well, more specifically, I think Ursoc shield healing is significantly more valuable than not having it. Stacking multiple shield heals enables a healer to focus more on health bar healing. And when the tank has shield healing in conjunction with a healer's health bar healing, you're not vying for the same numbers and won't overwrite or nullify the other's healing numbers as much, effectively increasing your health pool more by combining your healing with theirs. Regular health bar healing, as a Guardian, tends to often end up being overhealing. Yeah, it looks good from a numbers standpoint on Details, but the effective healing will likely be less than making use of shield healing. It is because of this that I feel Druid of the Claw still has lots of potential.
Also, with your spec(s) you showed, I am not sold on taking Thrashing Claws, as I feel those two points are spent better else where down in the bottom third of the tree.
I say this as a Guardian without Beta access and not playing in the Beta, so grain of salt needs to be taken.
Off topic:
WTF happened to the Enhancement Shaman rework? I mean, seriously, WTF? I am so pissed.......
rend and tear & scintillating moonlight reject 20% of incoming damage. how much damage does the addition of scintillating moonlight reject, compared to how much damage absorption maul or raze would provide? you say shields are more important than healing, however straight up blocking damage is far more important than shielding it off.
the answer may vary heavily in the scope of stats. lets take some things into perspective shall we?
so the current ursoc meta is facilitated by heavy haste, resulting in the guardian druid lacking in the critical strike damage/dodge passive & also in the mastery attack power department - attack power being the powerhouse of all tanks since it scales directly with mitigation/spell density/power, and critical strike which scales with all healing, dodge, and damage. in conclusion, haste has been a major loss for the spec in its entirety since it is a weak feedback loop that only facilitates power to 1 singular dimension, thrash, maul, raze, meaning you get more melee shield flavor, and thats it - at the expense of overall specialization strength. however now, the new feedback loop of more versatile arcane damage with critical strike, and the dodge that crit provides, and the more attack power from mastery that plays a role in both attack power and also incoming healing since your slightest moonfire does way more damage in escalation to your mastery, and for the end the most important part, the fact that you no longer need to have your globals compete over the resource of rage, which is a major upside for the spec.
now for the hero talents, its the fact that you can reduce the cooldown of lunar beam by 3 seconds with each arcane spell, which is massive, leaving you the capacity to use it for more than 1 time on each pack. and also the arcane damage reinforcing hero talents in conjunction to thrash becoming arcane damage, you consistently have arcane damage going forward non stop. each tick of thrash along with the ticks of moonfire will have you a heal in return without any resource cost at all.
will it be successful? we are about to find out soon in a couple of months.
This is a really great breakdown; I wish you had done this for blood dk as well.
i posted on the discord!! i absolutely love bear. it was my alt tank all of dragonflight. i'm really torn between it and prot warrior this time around :0
Hell yeah look at that beautiful bear
Great video
Awesome! What is the best race to play bear for both ally and horde?
Thanks!
Why the moonfire 10% damage reduction talent is always 100% ignored? I think 10% less damage is awesome. Or is it gonna be berfed maybe?
Because it's 2 points. We just don't have 2 points to spare at the bottom of the tree.
Check out moonless night underneath elune’s favored. I’m not sure what moves are considered “direct damage melee abilities” , but I assume it would be thrash, maul, mangle, raze. And the 20% burn is arcane not physical, so it would be another constant stream of healing with big burst depending on other talents.. Not sure how much though
It's not that great. It's good in retail, but pretty bad in beta despite 0 changes to it
Thrash and raze are aoe
I talked about this in the video. I tried it out in a couple keys and it just wasn't that great.
I didn’t watch until the end and of course he hit it 🤦♂️. The only way I could see it working is if you dropped earth warden or after the wildfire and picking up the left side mangle/raze talents. Pumped mangles would benefit ursocs, pumped razes and mangles proc moonless night? It most likely wouldn’t be stronger than this though
Damn end of expansion break! Ursocs fury shields are maul and thrash not mangle and thrash. The idea was pumped mangles for bigger shields, big physical hits for moonless night. Definitely not better than the other options
Zuco wins again! Thanks for keeping us well informed man
Nothing beats the open world Tmog set
Guardian Druid always seemed boring to me. This looks fun and I will have to try it out.
You won my thumb and sub today.
Thrash is a direct damage melee ability, and affects Moonless Night
Thrash does not. There are three things that do; Mangle, Maul, and Raze. That's all. (At least on live/retail)
I'm so torn between a BDK and moon bear tank...... I made one over each on the mop remix so that way I have a fresh 70 of whichever I pick but damn you made moon bear look sooo much more appealing
I'm going to main both xD and alt MW Monk
Hey Zuco, nice vid again, been watching the last few vids aswell and just want to say good job with all the vids lately.
Now to the vid itself: For me it seems like it could be worth not taking Incar with none of the buffs to it and no CD reduction (the problem bear tank always have that you're probalby unable to die in incar but aren't strong enough without in bigger pulls). Would probably try Raze+Ursocs Fury for more shields so you can heal yourself at the same time with the arcane damage. I liked the no-incar-build in DF already (even tho it was clearly weaker) so might be even better now as laser-moon-bear :D
Problem is... Raze doesn't do Arcane damage like you can make Thrash do... So it's a lot weaker with this Hero tree.
@@ZucoWoW Yeah, still think it gives a big shield in AoE situations, so maybe a more offensive build with no (or just 1-2) ironfur. It's just an idea for a no-incar-build, massive aoe and godd defensive shield (and then the healing from all the other arcane dmg while the shield persist).
But for me the biggest problem with bear is that Incar feels so essencial (obviously with the CD reduce). Needs to be places more in the middle of the tree, similar to infernal for destro warlocks.
@@crainae it doesn't give the big shield unless you take a talent that you have to go out of your way for with how many points you are spending on the other side of the tree, definitely doable but you are losing something else to get it
@@GrantBrown-sp2tg but isn't ursocs fury already taken in his build? so I'm just suggesting taking raze instead of Incar (as i said might still not be worth it but the talent that thrash and raze/maul gives a shield he already has in one build, the one without resident of the sleeper).
@@crainae he could but I think he needs to drop flashing claws to get it and also the talent following incarn
How do u have details working brother ! pls help !!😅
I still dont like the static aspect of it tho. You have to stay in the lunar beam and how ofter are you able to tank and spank in high keys?
as somone who has mainly played pala tank over the years and some dk in df, seing another tank that needs to stand in a aoe effect for defensive reasons is kinda sad, still looks kinda fun to play but im sick of having to stand in dnd/consec/lunarbeam
I don't quite understand the critical strike chance analogy. Bear doesn't seem to have any critical strike damage scaling. Every single secondary stat will increase your damage and survivability.
I said it in the video. You get more dodge rating based on your Crit chance from your gear. More dodging = less damage taken... Plus, since we are doing a ton of healing through dealing damage with this Hero tree/build, it helps with that too. But primarily I'm thinking about getting free dodge rating.
@@ZucoWoW Yes and I said every other secondary stat increases your dmg and survivability aswell.
Vers = more dmg and less dmg taken.
Haste = more rage, more dmg, more ironfurs
Mastery = more dmg, more healing and more hp.
So if crit doesn't have any external talent nodes or something for scaling it's just guessing at this point which secondary is the best.
@@meke7777 But you're missing my point. If every secondary gives damage and survivability but Crit also gives dodge on top, how is it not superior? Crit gives damage, healing, AND dodge.
@@ZucoWoW Current guardian druid stat prio from Method's guide Item level > Haste > Vers > Crit > Mastery
So no it is not superior, it still gives dodge on retail and I don't think anything has changed regarding crit in TWW.
Different secondary stats need different amount of rating to get 1%. If they all were equal crit might be the best.
But why would you need haste, we have more than enough rage this time around? Since we are not dumping it in razes
you rly are point starved with this. you kinda want circle and the berserk talents of sure. Not sure why you need 4 points to make berserk an cooldown but ok
Your HP doesnt seem to move, is the content too easy or you are that beefy?
ok I gotta know why you always have a scarf on
It's my thing :)
I cannot find the content I want, give me 5x Guardian TWW Mythic + testing.
You're doing it wrong if you need a scarf inside your own house.
Trust me, I don't... It's hooottt
They really need to reel back tank self sustain. It's so outrageous.
No way Blizzard allows bear to be meta lol. Would be cool though.
They have been meta in the past
Yah, I 'member the end of shadowlands and the bear megapulls
Literally 2 seasons ago they were part of the god comp. TF you talking about lol