A story from around 1980 in Vienna: Baker gave a concert there. After the concert a young woman asked Baker if he could make a short visit to the birthday party of her boyfried who was the biggest Ginger Baker Fan of all time and started drumming lessons some months ago only because of him. The boyfriend could not attend the concert because he had to work and was only living 5 minutes from the concert hall. Baker appeared at the birthday party and congratulated the guy, played a 15 minutes solo on a cheap drum set and left after 10 minutes smalltalk with the guy.
Being almost 70 and having grown up in the Los Angeles area, I’ve seen live, hundreds of bands and musicians. Including GB with Cream and everyone on his list. The Jazz-fusion shows I attended were on another level completely. Peter Baker was okay, but NOT as good as he thinks he was. Ian Paice with Deep Purple was humble, and far more impressive for playing early metal-rock in my book. GB’s narcissistic ego driven commentary revealed much about his very real insecurities.
@@YesterdaysPapersI prefer your version. KC’s is so sombre/ doom laden as though something terrible is about to happen Yours is more subtle, intriguing and draws you in - where can we hear the full track and more?
been a while since a blind date, glad they back ! The amount of tunes I’ve added from blind dates in 67’ and 68’ is ridiculous… if there’s any you haven’t covered from those years I beg you to do more 😤
Ehh, he didn’t seem to be into most rock of the time (besides what he was playing) anyway. He seemed much more into jazz, blues and around this time Afrobeat like Fela Kuti and other Nigerian musicians. Even if it’s all very impressive to all of us, Mr. Baker would’ve probably found any way to shit on it, lol.
I couldn't understand why it stalled at No.10 in the the UK charts. The previous three singles were at Numbers 1 and 2. Each of the singles were a different style and GM certainly was progressive. The vinyl had to be played loud to hear all the modes, so I guess Ginger's hearing was going down hill even at this stage. I still play it loud, and there was nothing like it in 1970.
Pete Johnson's "627 Stomp" was recorded November 11, 1940 with Johnson (piano), Oran "Hot Lips" Page (trumpet), Eddie Barefield (clarinet, alto sax), Don Stovall (alto sax), Don Byas (tenor sax), John Collins (guitar), Abe Bolar (bass) and A. G. Godley (drums). Also, what Elvin Jones really had to say about Ginger Baker RE his solo on "Toad" from Cream was, "They ought to make him an astronaut and lose his ass!" Jones had much nicer things to say about Keith Moon's playing on The Who's "Underture" to "Tommy": "Everything they play, he contains it."
Eddie Barefield had a regular gig at my neighborhood tavern in Greenpoint Brooklyn in the late 80's. A good player, but not in the best of health. Most of the time he sat while playing. Died of a heart attack in January '91.
Well he was objectively correct about one thing, the remark about Thunderclap Neman sounding like kids, Jimmy McCulloch the guitarist for the group was only 16 at this point, a true guitar prodigy that went on to play with Wings later in the 70s.
I did not enjoy the docu. The film-maker was lousy doing his job and disrespectful. For instance how could he order Baker - an old man in his own home - to remove his sunglasses???!!! This was no real docu about Ginger Baker but more of a documentary of a failure to interview Baker.
@@2009framat Fair enough. In the end, the man with the power of editing wins. Look at the crap put out by that POS Michael Moore. I don't recall the disrespect of the sunglasses etc. The most vivid memory from the film was of Baker attacking the film maker with a stick at the end.
@@lib556 If the most vivid memory from a documentary about a drummer who wrote history in music is his attacking of an unknown and not very talented film-maker then it is more or less the proof of the total fail of this docu. The ego of that filmmaker was much bigger than that of Ginger Baker, Jerry Lee Lewis and James Brown combined together imo. The difference between that three musicians and this filmaker is that they had - in a way - the "right" to act the way they did. I wanted to know something about Ginger Baker and not that filmmaker.
@@2009framat As I said, fair enough. One has to wonder if the film maker set out with righteous intentions and then, when it didn't go his way... possibly due to his own inexperience/incompetence, he tried to spin it into a hit piece. Justified or not, the stick attack was memorable... if nothing else. On reflection, it reminds me a bit of the afore-mentioned scumbag Michael Moore. He ambushed Chuck Heston (suffering from Alzheimer's at the time) at his home and badgered him mercilessly. He then edited the scene in such a way to try and make out that Heston was a racist. (Heston marched with MLK in 63 when it wasn't yet fashionable). These days, anybody can grab a camera (whether or not they have any business or talent to do so).
@@lib556 I wanted to see a docu about Ginger Baker _ his life, his impact in music, his views etc. - but I was not and I am still not interested in the intensions of this filmmaker. The difference to someone like Michael Moore is that if you going to see a film from him you know that this guy is involved in the film. Even if someone does not know him he can get an idea what kind of film he will exspect from infos and descriptions. But someone who is exspecting to see a Ginger Baker docu will be disappointed. It looks more like the making of a Ginger Baker docu. or a long youtube-video and the interviewer has a youtube-channel. There is simple too much footage of this guy in a docu about Baker. There was (or still is) a docu about organist Jimmy Smith from the 1960s. That is how a good docu could be made. The camera-team & interviewers are more or less invisible.
😅 I think they only met on a "few occasions". Baker only played on one album, and couldn't even remember which songs. From what I can tell that album "Album" was a scam really. Turns out that it was mostly other musicians, because the band was "too young" to be in a studio, according to Lydon. Couldn't play in other words. So they hired anyone that would come in. And apparently Ginger and Tony Williams played drums on it. Steve Vai also offered services on that one
@@yinoveryang4246good thing it was only a few times. It probably wouldn’t have taken long at they’d be at each other’s throats … Verbally and probably physically
@@richardgrant418 Yup. I suspect no one in the management was dumb enough, even in those days, to allow that to happen. By that stage Mr Baker had red flags practically tattooed onto his forehead.
I remember Ray Ennis of The Swinging Blue Jeans getting interviewed . He said he was on one of those 1960s package tours and Ginger Baker was the drummer with ( l think?) Graham Bond . Ennis said Ginger was so obnoxious that he decided to give him a smack on the nose!
It certainly was a crazy era in music, when you can you have Tom Jones and Andy Williams sharing the album charts with King Crimson and Zappa! 😆 …and btw, Ginger is a hoot!!
You have to keep in mind that 1970 represents the approximate crossroads of chart relevance between the "greatest" generation and the maturing baby boomers. The old guard were having their last hurrahs at that point.
Best "Blind Date" of many I've seen. But then again that was a guarantee when I saw that they actually let Ginger Baker loose to speak his mind. He's not lacking in self-awareness - more like trying to live up to his reputation with cute little apologies thrown in to humanize himself. To not have known this man personally, is to love him profoundly as a musician. Ginger, RIP!
May 1970 was the start of the UK general election that ended in a surprise and in the USA Cambodia Kent State and Jackson State were in the news and to match the theme of dreadfulness that month was the songs Ginger Baker had to review and Baker responded with a grouchy response which I loved. I like when you post at the end of the video the charts of the week and there were some great songs on those charts but not the songs Baker had to review and his grumpy response was a source of humor and I think Ginger Baker has a great sense of humor which made this video enjoyable to watch.
Ginger Baker is probably one of the most underrated drummers in Rock and Roll history.Without him,there wouldn’t be any other drummers that were influenced by him…RIP Ginger!!!…Karlido😢🥁😢🥁😢🥁
Ginger also provided the perfect drum beat along with the guitar and bass playing along with the vocals provided by both Eric Clapton and Jack Bruce in order to make up the super group Cream…RIP Ginger Baker 😢🥁😢🥁😢🥁
Ginger delivered precisely what I watch these videos for: a completely honest evaluation of what he thinks about what he is hearing and it's what I find to be very humorous about Blind Date. Seriously, there is no hurt feelings among real professionals so everyone please lighten up.
I really love this video I love hearing Ginger talk about some of the acts and artists 1970 s some that I’ve heard some of it I haven’t, but he doesn’t hold back at dig it
Ginger actually made some good points about that time period I can respect. Especially about singers trying to be who they're not. Vis a vis - Black. The good ones found their own voice later on (Paul Rodgers, Rod Stewart etc.,) but too many carried on way too long. Mick Jagger tried to sound like he was from the ghetto on a few Stones records. Still makes me chuckle every time I hear it.
It's funny because the drums on East of Eden jig a jig are phenomenal and in places totally contemporary. Good old Ginger... his story at the beginning was hilarious. He was right about Tony Williams' lifetime, though.
Poor Ol' Eric was a nervous wreck after 2 years of Cream😵...then Ginger turns up,and says to Eric,l hear you're looking for a Drummer for Blind Faith! Oh' Christ says Eric!!🥴
I like how to voice sounds more emotionaly expressive than before. And that little Harrison/Baker animation. I can't imagine Baker and Harrison getting along well, by the way. 😂
Wow, only one "the drummer cant keep time" comment, i was expecting the majority would be inaccurate time keepers for whatever band from mean Mr. Baker, haha. Even dissed Fleetwood Mac Green Manalishi, liked it when i was a kid but i'm glad they didnt go in that direction that Greenie (who i love) seemed to want them maybe to go next and instead went with Kirwin's ideas and added Christine also Welch. Future Games and Bare Trees are brilliant albums and the Kirwin - Welch guitar play was excellent along with Chritines soulful singing and keywork on piano, organ. Well Ginger is brutally honest and you cant ask for more than that i guess maybe mercy, yeah mercy. Thanks again Yesterday's Papers for the video and all the work you or you all put into them (which is a lot). Peace out, Hammer!!!
I hadn't quite realised that there were 6 albums and 5 years between Peter Green leaving and Nicks/Buckingham joining, mainly because I prefer the Peter Green iteration of the group. I shall have to check out those albums you mention.
@@obbor4 - just my opinion but i think Pete was well leaving the band even before his meltdown and with rock getting harder in sound and fury that greenie was leaning in that direction with Manilishi, just a feeling but they were moving away from being a blues only band into something more them. They couldnt go on just playing old blues tunes without people getting burnt out on hearing it over and over. Gotta present your own art and they did.
It’s been a while but welcome back to Blind Date! I get a kick out of Ginger Baker. Loved GBs Air Force. My one and only time that I’ve seen him in concert was in San Diego in 1972. He was touring with Buddy Miles in what was billed as The Battle of the Drummers. On that tour with them was Nazareth.
@@YesterdaysPapers What was interesting to me about that concert was that I went going in knowing about the talents Ginger Baker and Buddy Miles. The year before in 71, Miles releases the album We’ve Got To Live together, which I really enjoyed. The revelation to me was the group Nazareth. Here in the states, they weren’t really known in 72. I think it was in 1975 when they released Hair of the Dog and their cover of Love Hurts becomes a hit in early ‘76. I’m glad I got to see what the UK, some of the commonwealth, and the Europeans saw before striking gold here in the U.S.
@@boomtownrat5106 I too saw Nazareth, once along with Alice Cooper, The Kinks, and The Tubes (Anaheim Stadium, summer of 1978) and opening for Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush, in Tampa, 1979. The only time that I saw Ginger was with Jack Bruce, at The Coach House, a club in Southern California, on Ginger's 50th birthday, in August, of 1989. They played lots of Cream songs with a young shredder type of guitarist, a then 18-year-old called Blues Saraceno. Not Cream, and not Eric, but still a great show! Jack gave away a brand-new fretless bass to one lucky audience member.
😂 savage review. I am a fan of TYA. I had 1st row early bought tickets for me and my family for Lee and Johnny Winters at the Olympia april 2013, I was so exited to see these 2 legends (and Lee's guitar) for the first time in my life in top notch conditions ... then he died one month before the gig 😭
I remember watching a short documentary about Cream. They interviewed each member separately, and Ginger Baker trashed Jack Bruce a lot, said they couldn't get along, but that he and Eric Clapton were good friends. The next clip the interviewer told Eric what Ginger had said, and he replied "really?" in astonishment. It was a hysterical. I give Baker credit for forming Cream, but I'm not expert enough to judge his drumming. But everybody said he was a colossal ass, and this piece supports that assessment.
Baker and Bruce hated each other and fought all the time. It's a wonder Cream was able to put out anything at all, never mind the great music they did make!
baker and bruce had a love hate relationship, and you should be able to judge somebody's drumming by listening to it. if all you know about him is that he hated a lot, why have an opnion?
@@plasticweapon I like drumming. But I couldn't tell you whether John Bonham or Keith Moon was the greatest drummer. My point wasn't that I don't have an opinion, but that I wasn't commenting about the quality of his work, merely about his character. This video shows you that he didn't care who was on these records, and just trashed most of them, only to talk about himself quite a bit. I've watched many of these "so and so reviews the records" videos, and the artists are almost always generous and considerate of other artists work. Baker is none of that, and earns whatever scorn he gets. But he wasn't drumming in this video, so nothing about that for me to criticize.
Love your channel. Have a suggestion. With today's AI you could literally use Ginger Baker's actual voice, or John Lennon's or whomever to read that quotes you have. It would lend such a level of authenticity that your channel would become HUGE (as it should) : )
I'm not sure you understand. There are websites with celebrity voice patterns, you write in the text, and the voice of whomever you choose says the words. The technology is so rampant that scams are being perpetrated. A criminal will call you several times (for contrived reasons) and record your voice pattern, and once they have it they will call your parents with YOUR voice stating that you are in jail and need bail money! @@obbor4
I've read that "Ginger" became Peter Baker's (the current chief White House correspondent of The New York Times shares the name) nickname not so much for his crimson-tinged locks as for his fiery temperament. Well-known for the long-standing myriad difficulties in his relationship with Jack Bruce, which long preceded Cream and contributed substantially to that band's demise after little more than two years, Baker was never reticent in expressing his opinions, sometimes even violently, going so far as to assault physically the documentarian working respectfully with him near the end of Baker's life (Baker was well past 70 at the time). I hope it is not too arch to say that that documentarian, Jay Bulger, developed a very gingerly approach to Baker, not knowing what sort of mean spirits he might be in on any given day, and that this did not spare him from Baker's wrath. Is it a surprise Baker vents so much vitriol in this interview? Is it a surprise when a bear relieves herself in the woods? There is no denying Baker's talent, though for my money there are dozens if not hundreds of drummers across multiple genres of music to whom I would prefer to listen (including Tony Williams and others he disses herein), and I demur in the assessment of many (including, I suppose, Baker himself) that he was "the greatest drummer of all time." All I can say is that I am glad I didn't read this particular bitch-fest when it was first published, spring 1970. I was a lad of 14 going on 15 trying desperately to cling to some sense of the promise and idealism of the '60s, already fading fast in the wake of Altamont, the Manson family murders, Nixon/Kissinger's burgeoning war crimes in Southeast Asia (now expanded into Cambodia), the egregious massacres at Jackson State and Kent State, and the bitter remarks of my three-years-older sister's friends that it was all over, whatever "it" was, as they took their last high school acid trips and headed off to college. The last thing I'd've needed was reading Ginger's diatribe. Anyway, still an excellent vid and an excellent sense of where music was heading, not to mention into the vinegary and bilious mind of post-Graham Bond Organization, post-Cream, post-Blind Faith Ginger Baker. Thank you again, YP!
The music at the end really blew me away. I love the mellotron sound. It sounded like "In The Court of The Crimson King" at first, but then morphed in the song "Black Sabbath." Fantastic! Are you ever likely to release a collection of this music?
Ginger nailed the Tony Williams track. "Anti-people music"...and having no starting and finishing point. Baker may have been hostile, but sometimes things have to be said, and it's refreshing to hear opinions by someone who isn't bothered by the consequences.
I like how musical stars at that time used to comment on the technical aspects of production and guitar sounds etc. It was only a few years later, that all anyone cared about was sociology, fashion sense and image.
Ginger , was always a man who said what he thought, ( and was not , scared to say it ) ! Its a funny thing , ginger , was in a rehearsal studio , in Acton west , london , near where he , lived and heard , one of my old bands , Clear blue sky , and said to john simms , the guitarist ,would you , like to ,do some work , a few gigs with me in europe , next week , so john said yes , of course , and when he came back , ginger kept his connection with the band and his son , Kofi , joined Clear blue sky on drums ,and his lady done the album cover , art work , for the new album . Its a strange but true thing , , ginger came from Wembley , the same as charlie watts / keith moon , it must have been something in the air ! ha . ha .and all class guys ! cheers ritchie .
Two of those tracks were brilliant - Green Manalishi (what is a manalishi?) and Jig A Jig by East of Eden. The latter was guaranteed to get everyone up and rocking at parties. It is superb. Ginger Baker was a sad misanthrope.
@@tupkorhajar No, it's not. I looked it up after I wrote that. The word was made up by Peter Green. Maybe that was what he meant by it, but nobody had heard the word until he wrote the song.
@@Pwecko peter green was interviewed by journalist petar luković (deceased last week) in 1981. journalist asked green what manalishi meant. the answer was: manalishi=devil.
Baker's acerbic observation on the "Ten Years After" track is interesting ("I like people to sing and be themselves"....) - I always thought Mick Jagger's affected Southern States' drawl (on many Stones' songs) had a false quality to it - but look at the standing of the Rolling Stones in rock music history (and of many of those particular songs) 🤠 Funny ol' business rock n' roll !!!!
Fascinating stuff as usual. Reading the article on the Creation in the latest issue of Ugly Things reminded me of your work, all sourced from the inkies. Some interesting slants on the birth of psychedelia in that article, I'd love to see you investigate the first mentions of the genre in the UK music press.
love your reinterpretation of King Crimson in the closing credits. Do you have a real Mellotron? Who does your music? Love the credits music in Yesterday's Papers.
Ginger could start a fight in an empty room. 😂
These Blind Dates sometimes tell you more about the reviewer than the records!
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A story from around 1980 in Vienna: Baker gave a concert there. After the concert a young woman asked Baker if he could make a short visit to the birthday party of her boyfried who was the biggest Ginger Baker Fan of all time and started drumming lessons some months ago only because of him. The boyfriend could not attend the concert because he had to work and was only living 5 minutes from the concert hall. Baker appeared at the birthday party and congratulated the guy, played a 15 minutes solo on a cheap drum set and left after 10 minutes smalltalk with the guy.
Ginger never fails to amuse. Nice research.
Ginger must have been having a good day, as he almost half liked one of the tracks....more of Ginger please... he's a legend.
LOL!
LOL!
"So I asked, 'Who's this?' And it was me." 😂
Self effacing doesn't make up for the sourness. A legend but more of a legend in his own mind.
Can't take away anything from his drumming though, a legend in that field
Sometimes remember me as the way kids uses to talk through
A legend in his own underpants! :0)
@@williamr3840 Likes talking about himself a lot.....although he ended by saying he was egotistical.
Being almost 70 and having grown up in the Los Angeles area, I’ve seen live, hundreds of bands and musicians.
Including GB with Cream and everyone on his list.
The Jazz-fusion shows I attended were on another level completely.
Peter Baker was okay, but NOT as good as he thinks he was. Ian Paice with Deep Purple was humble, and far more impressive for playing early metal-rock in my book. GB’s narcissistic ego driven commentary revealed much about his very real insecurities.
Thanks for posting! It’s good to have these Blind Dates back.
Elevator music King Crimson at the end. Ha!
Yeah, I wonder who did this version of KC?
@@marysweeney7370I recorded it myself.
@@YesterdaysPapers Excellent! I love it!
@@YesterdaysPapers listening to it again, I now see that it was a "Swinging London" rendition of those songs. Perfect.
@@YesterdaysPapersI prefer your version. KC’s is so sombre/ doom laden as though something terrible is about to happen
Yours is more subtle, intriguing and draws you in - where can we hear the full track and more?
been a while since a blind date, glad they back ! The amount of tunes I’ve added from blind dates in 67’ and 68’ is ridiculous… if there’s any you haven’t covered from those years I beg you to do more 😤
Peter Green's *_The Green Manalishi with the Two Pronged Crown_* is a stand out -- GB should have kept listening.
Nice outro -- long live the king.
It’s a phenomenal record! If you don’t like it, the late Ginger, then shut up and go away.
Ehh, he didn’t seem to be into most rock of the time (besides what he was playing) anyway. He seemed much more into jazz, blues and around this time Afrobeat like Fela Kuti and other Nigerian musicians.
Even if it’s all very impressive to all of us, Mr. Baker would’ve probably found any way to shit on it, lol.
Ginger didn’t like it. He was entitled to his opinion.
Can't believe he did not even like the fleetwood mac track ,,,the best one on here !
I couldn't understand why it stalled at No.10 in the the UK charts. The previous three singles were at Numbers 1 and 2. Each of the singles were a different style and GM certainly was progressive. The vinyl had to be played loud to hear all the modes, so I guess Ginger's hearing was going down hill even at this stage. I still play it loud, and there was nothing like it in 1970.
What a hoot. Loved every minute of it. It’s no surprise what came out of Gingers mouth. He’s still a bloody legend in my eyes!
Pete Johnson's "627 Stomp" was recorded November 11, 1940 with Johnson (piano), Oran "Hot Lips" Page (trumpet), Eddie Barefield (clarinet, alto sax), Don Stovall (alto sax), Don Byas (tenor sax), John Collins (guitar), Abe Bolar (bass) and A. G. Godley (drums). Also, what Elvin Jones really had to say about Ginger Baker RE his solo on "Toad" from Cream was, "They ought to make him an astronaut and lose his ass!" Jones had much nicer things to say about Keith Moon's playing on The Who's "Underture" to "Tommy": "Everything they play, he contains it."
Eddie Barefield had a regular gig at my neighborhood tavern in Greenpoint Brooklyn in the late 80's. A good player, but not in the best of health. Most of the time he sat while playing. Died of a heart attack in January '91.
I’m confused about why Baker was asked to review this. I had the idea he was supposed to review then-current hits?
@@jeffryphillipsburns The album was reissued that month.
That was absolutely brilliant. Probably the best i have heard so far. Ginger was a hoot.
Well he was objectively correct about one thing, the remark about Thunderclap Neman sounding like kids, Jimmy McCulloch the guitarist for the group was only 16 at this point, a true guitar prodigy that went on to play with Wings later in the 70s.
Love that green manalishi was here. Got me leaping about.
Ha ha. Ginger is funny... and a bit scary. I really enjoyed that doc about him called Beware of Mr. Baker.
I did not enjoy the docu. The film-maker was lousy doing his job and disrespectful. For instance how could he order Baker - an old man in his own home - to remove his sunglasses???!!! This was no real docu about Ginger Baker but more of a documentary of a failure to interview Baker.
@@2009framat Fair enough. In the end, the man with the power of editing wins. Look at the crap put out by that POS Michael Moore.
I don't recall the disrespect of the sunglasses etc. The most vivid memory from the film was of Baker attacking the film maker with a stick at the end.
@@lib556 If the most vivid memory from a documentary about a drummer who wrote history in music is his attacking of an unknown and not very talented film-maker then it is more or less the proof of the total fail of this docu. The ego of that filmmaker was much bigger than that of Ginger Baker, Jerry Lee Lewis and James Brown combined together imo. The difference between that three musicians and this filmaker is that they had - in a way - the "right" to act the way they did. I wanted to know something about Ginger Baker and not that filmmaker.
@@2009framat As I said, fair enough. One has to wonder if the film maker set out with righteous intentions and then, when it didn't go his way... possibly due to his own inexperience/incompetence, he tried to spin it into a hit piece.
Justified or not, the stick attack was memorable... if nothing else. On reflection, it reminds me a bit of the afore-mentioned scumbag Michael Moore. He ambushed Chuck Heston (suffering from Alzheimer's at the time) at his home and badgered him mercilessly. He then edited the scene in such a way to try and make out that Heston was a racist. (Heston marched with MLK in 63 when it wasn't yet fashionable).
These days, anybody can grab a camera (whether or not they have any business or talent to do so).
@@lib556 I wanted to see a docu about Ginger Baker _ his life, his impact in music, his views etc. - but I was not and I am still not interested in the intensions of this filmmaker. The difference to someone like Michael Moore is that if you going to see a film from him you know that this guy is involved in the film. Even if someone does not know him he can get an idea what kind of film he will exspect from infos and descriptions. But someone who is exspecting to see a Ginger Baker docu will be disappointed. It looks more like the making of a Ginger Baker docu. or a long youtube-video and the interviewer has a youtube-channel. There is simple too much footage of this guy in a docu about Baker. There was (or still is) a docu about organist Jimmy Smith from the 1960s. That is how a good docu could be made. The camera-team & interviewers are more or less invisible.
The drum battle challenge that Ginger issued to former Coltrane drummer Elvin Jones is available on CD 🎉😊
I'm sure Ginger & John Lydon got on well during his stint in Public Image LTD in the mid 80's.
😅 I think they only met on a "few occasions". Baker only played on one album, and couldn't even remember which songs. From what I can tell that album "Album" was a scam really. Turns out that it was mostly other musicians, because the band was "too young" to be in a studio, according to Lydon. Couldn't play in other words. So they hired anyone that would come in. And apparently Ginger and Tony Williams played drums on it. Steve Vai also offered services on that one
Actually, it would've been great if John Lydon narrated this video. He would've been perfect.
@@yinoveryang4246good thing it was only a few times. It probably wouldn’t have taken long at they’d be at each other’s throats …
Verbally and probably physically
@@richardgrant418 Yup. I suspect no one in the management was dumb enough, even in those days, to allow that to happen. By that stage Mr Baker had red flags practically tattooed onto his forehead.
@@yinoveryang4246Nonsense 😂 Scam?? Followed the tour for 'Album' John McGeough, Bruce Smith were hardly young inexperienced musicians 🤦
Interesting new voice, fits Papa Ginger's sarcasm quite well, even though he sounds like a BBC panel show comedian. Good stuff!
I remember Ray Ennis of The Swinging Blue Jeans getting interviewed . He said he was on one of those 1960s package tours and Ginger Baker was the drummer with ( l think?) Graham Bond . Ennis said Ginger was so obnoxious that he decided to give him a smack on the nose!
Probably not the only person to have done that to him
It certainly was a crazy era in music, when you can you have Tom Jones and Andy Williams sharing the album charts with King Crimson and Zappa! 😆 …and btw, Ginger is a hoot!!
You have to keep in mind that 1970 represents the approximate crossroads of chart relevance between the "greatest" generation and the maturing baby boomers. The old guard were having their last hurrahs at that point.
Excellent! He should have been a writer for Creem Magazine
In fact, he was a writer for Cream Magazine.
@@jeffryphillipsburns when?
Best "Blind Date" of many I've seen. But then again that was a guarantee when I saw that they actually let Ginger Baker loose to speak his mind. He's not lacking in self-awareness - more like trying to live up to his reputation with cute little apologies thrown in to humanize himself. To not have known this man personally, is to love him profoundly as a musician. Ginger, RIP!
Thank you so very much for uploading this
Was seriously hoping that he would be really grumpy and I got my wish. All thanks to you, YP! Rock on!
Cheers!
A couple years later, a kid named Huey Lewis joined Clover.
They also backed Elvis Costello on his first album.
May 1970 was the start of the UK general election that ended in a surprise and in the USA Cambodia Kent State and Jackson State were in the news and to match the theme of dreadfulness that month was the songs Ginger Baker had to review and Baker responded with a grouchy response which I loved. I like when you post at the end of the video the charts of the week and there were some great songs on those charts but not the songs Baker had to review and his grumpy response was a source of humor and I think Ginger Baker has a great sense of humor which made this video enjoyable to watch.
This is great, thanks!!
He really was a Negative Nelly!! Hot Rats had made the charts that month. It's still one of my favorite albums, all-time. 🔥🐀🐀
RIP Ginger Baker!!!…Karlido😢🥁😢🥁😢🥁
Ginger Baker is probably one of the most underrated drummers in Rock and Roll history.Without him,there wouldn’t be any other drummers that were influenced by him…RIP Ginger!!!…Karlido😢🥁😢🥁😢🥁
Ginger also provided the perfect drum beat along with the guitar and bass playing along with the vocals provided by both Eric Clapton and Jack Bruce in order to make up the super group Cream…RIP Ginger Baker 😢🥁😢🥁😢🥁
Ginger delivered precisely what I watch these videos for: a completely honest evaluation of what he thinks about what he is hearing and it's what I find to be very humorous about Blind Date. Seriously, there is no hurt feelings among real professionals so everyone please lighten up.
Boy o boy, you gota love Ginger ❤️
I really love this video I love hearing Ginger talk about some of the acts and artists 1970 s some that I’ve heard some of it I haven’t, but he doesn’t hold back at dig it
Ginger actually made some good points about that time period I can respect. Especially about singers trying to be who they're not. Vis a vis - Black. The good ones found their own voice later on (Paul Rodgers, Rod Stewart etc.,) but too many carried on way too long. Mick Jagger tried to sound like he was from the ghetto on a few Stones records. Still makes me chuckle every time I hear it.
It's funny because the drums on East of Eden jig a jig are phenomenal and in places totally contemporary. Good old Ginger... his story at the beginning was hilarious.
He was right about Tony Williams' lifetime, though.
I am immediately listening to Love Like a Man to remind myself TYA don’t suck.
Make sure it's the Fillmore East live version or Ginger wins the day.
@@markkonzerowsky8871 great stuff! thanks.
Ginger doesn’t like the rhythm section. Say what you want about Ric Lee, but Leo Lyons is one of the best.
The version from the video is different from the version of the song I'm familiar with. Am I missing something?
@@samp.8099Unfortunately, I couldn't include the studio version due to copyright so what you hear on the video is a live version from that period.
@@samp.8099 The version you really need is the one on the Fillmore East double live CD.
Poor Ol' Eric was a nervous wreck after 2 years of Cream😵...then Ginger turns up,and says to Eric,l hear you're looking for a Drummer for Blind Faith! Oh' Christ says Eric!!🥴
Great sense of humor!
I like how to voice sounds more emotionaly expressive than before. And that little Harrison/Baker animation.
I can't imagine Baker and Harrison getting along well, by the way. 😂
Don't hold back, Ginger, tell us what you really think! lol
This was great! Very entertaining to hear Ginger giving his less than enthusiastic views. Fantastic channel!
fair assessments, all of them!
I can't believe this channel only has around 50,000 subs. Criminally undersubbed.
Wow, only one "the drummer cant keep time" comment, i was expecting the majority would be inaccurate time keepers for whatever band from mean Mr. Baker, haha. Even dissed Fleetwood Mac Green Manalishi, liked it when i was a kid but i'm glad they didnt go in that direction that Greenie (who i love) seemed to want them maybe to go next and instead went with Kirwin's ideas and added Christine also Welch. Future Games and Bare Trees are brilliant albums and the Kirwin - Welch guitar play was excellent along with Chritines soulful singing and keywork on piano, organ. Well Ginger is brutally honest and you cant ask for more than that i guess maybe mercy, yeah mercy. Thanks again Yesterday's Papers for the video and all the work you or you all put into them (which is a lot). Peace out, Hammer!!!
What direction was that? As far as I know, Peter continued to play sinewy, self-reflecting blues with and without his former band.
I hadn't quite realised that there were 6 albums and 5 years between Peter Green leaving and Nicks/Buckingham joining, mainly because I prefer the Peter Green iteration of the group. I shall have to check out those albums you mention.
@@obbor4 - just my opinion but i think Pete was well leaving the band even before his meltdown and with rock getting harder in sound and fury that greenie was leaning in that direction with Manilishi, just a feeling but they were moving away from being a blues only band into something more them. They couldnt go on just playing old blues tunes without people getting burnt out on hearing it over and over. Gotta present your own art and they did.
Ginger got the sack from Hawkwind, along with 50 other members who departed including Lemmy, incredible.
Ginger was quite a character ha ha thanks YP Cheers !
It’s been a while but welcome back to Blind Date! I get a kick out of Ginger Baker. Loved GBs Air Force. My one and only time that I’ve seen him in concert was in San Diego in 1972. He was touring with Buddy Miles in what was billed as The Battle of the Drummers. On that tour with them was Nazareth.
That couldn't have been much of a battle. Buddy was nowhere near Ginger's league. As a drummer anyway.
That must've been a really cool show.
@@YesterdaysPapers What was interesting to me about that concert was that I went going in knowing about the talents Ginger Baker and Buddy Miles. The year before in 71, Miles releases the album We’ve Got To Live together, which I really enjoyed. The revelation to me was the group Nazareth. Here in the states, they weren’t really known in 72. I think it was in 1975 when they released Hair of the Dog and their cover of Love Hurts becomes a hit in early ‘76. I’m glad I got to see what the UK, some of the commonwealth, and the Europeans saw before striking gold here in the U.S.
@@obbor4 Let’s just say, Buddy was the better singer. Buddy did hold his own, though…
@@boomtownrat5106 I too saw Nazareth, once along with Alice Cooper, The Kinks, and The Tubes (Anaheim Stadium, summer of 1978) and opening for Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush, in Tampa, 1979. The only time that I saw Ginger was with Jack Bruce, at The Coach House, a club in Southern California, on Ginger's 50th birthday, in August, of 1989. They played lots of Cream songs with a young shredder type of guitarist, a then 18-year-old called Blues Saraceno. Not Cream, and not Eric, but still a great show! Jack gave away a brand-new fretless bass to one lucky audience member.
I’m in a lovely mood today!
Nice to see East Of Eden get some recognition. Some great albums in the charts that week too.
😂 savage review. I am a fan of TYA. I had 1st row early bought tickets for me and my family for Lee and Johnny Winters at the Olympia april 2013, I was so exited to see these 2 legends (and Lee's guitar) for the first time in my life in top notch conditions ... then he died one month before the gig 😭
Shame!
Different narration voice - I like it!
GINGER BAKER IS THE GREATEST! AND A VERY COOL GUY! KUDOS TO GINGER!
Alvin Lee and Ten Years After are awesome Mr. Baker 😂
That ending/Crimson like tune beginning ~ 6:33 is very cool. Another excellent production.
Cheers! Glad you liked it.
Man,that was so funny,you gotta love ginger and is straight up honesty.
I don’t know much about drumming or drummers but GB is one of the few I can recognise from a record. Whether this means he’s good or bad I’ve no idea.
He was most certainly very good. More as a drummer than as a human being though,
I remember watching a short documentary about Cream. They interviewed each member separately, and Ginger Baker trashed Jack Bruce a lot, said they couldn't get along, but that he and Eric Clapton were good friends. The next clip the interviewer told Eric what Ginger had said, and he replied "really?" in astonishment. It was a hysterical.
I give Baker credit for forming Cream, but I'm not expert enough to judge his drumming. But everybody said he was a colossal ass, and this piece supports that assessment.
Baker hated that Pete Brown ended up teaming up with Jack after first writing with him
Baker and Bruce hated each other and fought all the time. It's a wonder Cream was able to put out anything at all, never mind the great music they did make!
@@CarlDraper Ginger Baker hated something? The deuce you say!
baker and bruce had a love hate relationship, and you should be able to judge somebody's drumming by listening to it. if all you know about him is that he hated a lot, why have an opnion?
@@plasticweapon I like drumming. But I couldn't tell you whether John Bonham or Keith Moon was the greatest drummer. My point wasn't that I don't have an opinion, but that I wasn't commenting about the quality of his work, merely about his character. This video shows you that he didn't care who was on these records, and just trashed most of them, only to talk about himself quite a bit.
I've watched many of these "so and so reviews the records" videos, and the artists are almost always generous and considerate of other artists work. Baker is none of that, and earns whatever scorn he gets. But he wasn't drumming in this video, so nothing about that for me to criticize.
Love your channel. Have a suggestion. With today's AI you could literally use Ginger Baker's actual voice, or John Lennon's or whomever to read that quotes you have. It would lend such a level of authenticity that your channel would become HUGE (as it should) : )
That would be difficult as these are published interviews without voice recodings being available.
"With today's AI you could literally use Ginger Baker's actual voice" LOL ... I hope for your sake this is sarcasm, homie.
I'm not sure you understand. There are websites with celebrity voice patterns, you write in the text, and the voice of whomever you choose says the words. The technology is so rampant that scams are being perpetrated. A criminal will call you several times (for contrived reasons) and record your voice pattern, and once they have it they will call your parents with YOUR voice stating that you are in jail and need bail money! @@obbor4
LOL It wasn;'t sarcasm, but I take your point. : ) @@manwithumbrella
@@spockboy Authenticity and AI don’t belong in the same sentence.
Nobody wouldve been madman enough to mix King Crimson and Sabbath in one tune like you did. That was fantastic
Cheers!
Green Manalishi, thought he’d of recognised Peter Green ! Ginger takes no prisoners.
Loved the mellotron Sabbath cover at the end
I've read that "Ginger" became Peter Baker's (the current chief White House correspondent of The New York Times shares the name) nickname not so much for his crimson-tinged locks as for his fiery temperament. Well-known for the long-standing myriad difficulties in his relationship with Jack Bruce, which long preceded Cream and contributed substantially to that band's demise after little more than two years, Baker was never reticent in expressing his opinions, sometimes even violently, going so far as to assault physically the documentarian working respectfully with him near the end of Baker's life (Baker was well past 70 at the time). I hope it is not too arch to say that that documentarian, Jay Bulger, developed a very gingerly approach to Baker, not knowing what sort of mean spirits he might be in on any given day, and that this did not spare him from Baker's wrath. Is it a surprise Baker vents so much vitriol in this interview? Is it a surprise when a bear relieves herself in the woods?
There is no denying Baker's talent, though for my money there are dozens if not hundreds of drummers across multiple genres of music to whom I would prefer to listen (including Tony Williams and others he disses herein), and I demur in the assessment of many (including, I suppose, Baker himself) that he was "the greatest drummer of all time." All I can say is that I am glad I didn't read this particular bitch-fest when it was first published, spring 1970. I was a lad of 14 going on 15 trying desperately to cling to some sense of the promise and idealism of the '60s, already fading fast in the wake of Altamont, the Manson family murders, Nixon/Kissinger's burgeoning war crimes in Southeast Asia (now expanded into Cambodia), the egregious massacres at Jackson State and Kent State, and the bitter remarks of my three-years-older sister's friends that it was all over, whatever "it" was, as they took their last high school acid trips and headed off to college. The last thing I'd've needed was reading Ginger's diatribe.
Anyway, still an excellent vid and an excellent sense of where music was heading, not to mention into the vinegary and bilious mind of post-Graham Bond Organization, post-Cream, post-Blind Faith Ginger Baker. Thank you again, YP!
Cheers Mack!
Well done on the King Crimson tune (?) at the end.
Cheers Graham!
Live Cream vol. 2 is an favourite of mine
And Fresh Cream and Disraeli Gears but on MONO sound
The music at the end really blew me away. I love the mellotron sound. It sounded like "In The Court of The Crimson King" at first, but then morphed in the song "Black Sabbath." Fantastic! Are you ever likely to release a collection of this music?
Maybe I will someday! Glad you enjoyed it, Hans. Cheers!
I’m not surprised that he didn’t like Ten Years After, but I love A Space in Time just the same.
I love Claptons quote about Ginger and Jack bitching at the first Creem rehearsal. Sounds about right.
Ginger nailed the Tony Williams track. "Anti-people music"...and having no starting and finishing point. Baker may have been hostile, but sometimes things have to be said, and it's refreshing to hear opinions by someone who isn't bothered by the consequences.
sounds exactly like the Ginger I met in the 90s, so at least he's consistent and remained true to himself LOL!
I like how musical stars at that time used to comment on the technical aspects of production and guitar sounds etc.
It was only a few years later, that all anyone cared about was sociology, fashion sense and image.
Ginger Baker was notorious for his volatile temper but he had a sense of humor too. He wasn't keen on any of these numbers.
Ginger , was always a man who said what he thought, ( and was not , scared to say it ) ! Its a funny thing , ginger , was in a rehearsal studio , in Acton west , london , near where he , lived and heard , one of my old bands , Clear blue sky , and said to john simms , the guitarist ,would you , like to ,do some work , a few gigs with me in europe , next week , so john said yes , of course , and when he came back , ginger kept his connection with the band and his son , Kofi , joined Clear blue sky on drums ,and his lady done the album cover , art work , for the new album .
Its a strange but true thing , , ginger came from Wembley , the same as charlie watts / keith moon , it must have been something in the air ! ha . ha .and all class guys !
cheers ritchie .
Two of those tracks were brilliant - Green Manalishi (what is a manalishi?) and Jig A Jig by East of Eden. The latter was guaranteed to get everyone up and rocking at parties. It is superb.
Ginger Baker was a sad misanthrope.
manalishi = devil
@@tupkorhajar No, it's not. I looked it up after I wrote that. The word was made up by Peter Green. Maybe that was what he meant by it, but nobody had heard the word until he wrote the song.
@@Pwecko peter green was interviewed by journalist petar luković (deceased last week) in 1981. journalist asked green what manalishi meant. the answer was: manalishi=devil.
That outro music was amazing btw.
Cheers!
@@YesterdaysPapers What is it? Sounds like King Crimson with a bit of Kashmir thrown in..
LOL love Ginger
Nice to hear 'In The Court Of The Crimson Baker'.
Great video. Ginger was unique and very humourous here 😎🙂
Brutal! But he is very self-aware.
I like this narrator.
nowadays british reviews sound like "oi blody el fam, its a royt laugh mate innit"
He knew Ten Years After, because they played together at festivals….. He’s just being Ginger….
Great content, as usual. What's the name of the instrumental tune at the end of the video?
"This is Doomed. I'm not nice to people am I? Do you give points for trying or what?" Hilarious! Ginger Baker should have had his own show on Telly! 😂
His story of not even recognising his own work on record was a classic.
Gotta love old Ginger...'whose playing drums on that? He should be working in a chip shop' etc...
Baker's acerbic observation on the "Ten Years After" track is interesting ("I like people to sing and be themselves"....) - I always thought Mick Jagger's affected Southern States' drawl (on many Stones' songs) had a false quality to it - but look at the standing of the Rolling Stones in rock music history (and of many of those particular songs) 🤠 Funny ol' business rock n' roll !!!!
Check out old Downbeat Blindfold Tests. Hear jazz legends give strong opinions about their peers, even when their guesses are completely wrong!
This is hilarious, I can literally visualize him saying all of this stuff haha...
Fascinating stuff as usual. Reading the article on the Creation in the latest issue of Ugly Things reminded me of your work, all sourced from the inkies. Some interesting slants on the birth of psychedelia in that article, I'd love to see you investigate the first mentions of the genre in the UK music press.
An absolute genius
At least he was honest 😅
love your reinterpretation of King Crimson in the closing credits. Do you have a real Mellotron? Who does your music? Love the credits music in Yesterday's Papers.
I recorded the music myself. Glad you liked it, cheers!
He didn't make friends but mostly he was spot on. And didn't have no qualms about reporting what a drummer giant thought about him.
God graced Ginger with a long life lol😆
Were you busy and asked your dad to fill in? 😂 as soon as I saw ginger baker I knew it would be interesting
Kenny Ball and his boys were always on the box in the 70s! Forget what show hosted them. Two Ronnies? Val Doonican?
Who is this King Crimson remix/cover? Love it!
I recorded it myself. Glad you dug it, cheers!
Looks like a bit of a lull in Hitsville.
"They seem to like exaggerating the fact that they can't keep time." Ginger Baker was masterful drummer but what a grouch.