ALL 14 PHANTOMS COMPARED: F-4C to F-4EJ Kai
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0:00 - Intro
0:39 - F-4C [USA]
1:15 - F-4E Family
1:44 - F-4E [USA]
1:59 - F-4E Kurnass [ISR]
2:32 - F-4F Late [GER]
2:58 - F-4F Early [GER, Event]
3:21 - F-4EJ [JPN]
3:55 - F-4EJ ADTW [JPN, Premium]
4:15 - F-4EJ Kai [JPN]
4:51 - F-4E Kurnass 2000 [ISR]
5:32 - F-4J Family
6:02 - F-4J [USA]
6:50 - F-4S [USA, Premium]
7:32 - Phantom FG.1 / Phantom FGR.2 [UK]
8:20 - F-4J(UK) [UK, Premium]
I know the name of the gunpods are technically SUU-23 and Mk.4, but for the sake of simplicity I just referred to them by the name of their cannons. - Hry
So proud of you Lee 09:14
That was not my fault OK 😭
@@GeneralLee2000 Sure :clueless:
the intro omegalul
An accurate depiction of the Rolls-Royce Spey's melting the deck of a Royal Navy carrier
POWERRRRRRRR!!!!!
6:30 fun fact: my american F 4J has loadouts with 5 sparrows and 4 sidewinders, because there was a bug that allowed you to have the sparrow and the sidewinders on the same pylon. They patched it, but I still have the presets made, and the game even lets me copy them to get new ones xd
Yeah when they added fuel tanks it broke my existing 4 sidewinder 6 sparrow loadout lol
Finally.
I always dreamed of someone doing mass reviews like Oxy, but for planes.
While you did it for a family of planes rather than a tier in a techtree, this kinda content is something that, at least to me, is sorely missing in the WT community.
SO ready for F-4F ICE and IAI Super Phantom 🫦. BANGER as always!
Guys let's put F-15 engines on a phantom that would be really funny i think
@@jaek_898 AND lighten the airframe 😤
Too bad Super Phantom had the same radar
@@Texas_Engineer_Mikethat's fine, still plenty good, and I'm pretty sure Fox-3 capable. Can't remember if the Super Phantom actually carried any Fox-3's though, not a Phantom guy, haven't bothered to look into it.
I know the ICE carried AMRAAMs tho.
@@evangalinsky2499 Kurnass Phantoms were never able to guide ARH missiles sadly.
I miss when the EJ Kai was one of the best planes in the game. I hope the AAM-3 comes soon, so I have a reason to play it again. It has such nice livery.
Agreed
It's here but EJ Kai doesn't get it...
Womp womp
Tip for the F-4C and F-4F early-you can take a pod of mighty mice for some bootleg flares. They don't work all that well, but they can decoy all aspects from the front and earlier/flare hungry missiles like AIM 9e's and R-60s. Because they shoot out in front of the plane instead of dropping behind it, you have to maneuver kind of weirdly to actually decoy the missile, but it's definitely still better than trying to dodge them with maneuver alone.
Also great video as usual!
I have 760 kills to 370 deaths in the F-4C and still play it to this day, and this is a good tip. I use the Zunis though since they are a bigger rocket that produces more heat.
Point your nose at the ground shoot off them rockets and then turn hit again or idk do your own thing
Id like to add, the zunis seem to work better as flares, im assuming due to a bigger hotter motor
Me when the Jaek video is very good and nice :)
I’ve been playing the game since 2013, have played every phantom listed here (except the premium ones), and your reviews are spot-on. Keep up the good work, subbed!
Your videos are downright amazing!!! I love the technical breakdowns, more of this please!!!!
Excellent and comprehensive guide, keep up the great work!
Great content. Straight to information. No nonsense. No BS. Subscribed
Another great high effort video, good job 👏🏻
I would not skip the F-4C. I love this thing. Keep distance to SU-25s and stay fast that nobody can get on your six within 2 km. 3 gun pods are pure fun.
I agree!
The issue is if you run into anyone who knows planes your screwed. Anytime i See a F4C i get vagully behind it. Fire a Sidewinder or another IR missile and then just go about my day. and Usually three to four secounds later i get a kill.My Buddy does the same thing. It feels like an XP piniate. Now if you get a 9.0-10.0 match its a good plane.
Fantastic video. Can’t wait for more plane families
Great video , your videos are truly amazing and Iove your way , keep it up !!
Hope gaijin does something with the f4ej eventually, currently such a block on grinding japan, 10.7 maybe 😏
f4ej 10.0 when
@@erbuepazzo6852 so real
@@erbuepazzo6852want it at rank 6 so it doesn't have to deal with rank 8. 10.7 is good. F104J needs to be in 10.3
HOME goes so hard, great music choice and great video
Really well done vids my man, subbed and looking forward to your next stuff 👌
As a Germany main, not giving AIM-9L to the F-4F and making the earlier variant an event vehicle at first felt criminal to me. But it is true that the BR reduction is a really nice touch.😊
Great videos from new CC! Subbed!
Hey, glad to see someone else who does the 5×2 loadout
Great video, I'm close to getting my first Phantom (the FGR.2) so it was cool to see the differences
Quick thing to note is the British Phantoms have THE WORST grind of all the Phantoms in the game.
Being because you have to grind through all the bombs and rockets to start grinding the missiles, which is an actual pain in the arse (as I'm finding out).
So just be wary of that.
It's a brilliant plane, has a special place in my lineup of challengers and tornado gr1
@@Shrekinator1It used to be in my lineup too with the Tornado gr1 and Harrier gr7 but I replaced it with the Tornado gr.1, still solid in grb though
@@Rorywizz yeah, those skyflash missles really catch people off guard with the pulse dopplar radar.
Feels like a faster pace oxy video, I like it.
I regularly get aces with the EJ Kai!!
You've immediately lost in 1v1 or if someone chooses to hunt you but otherwise the good radar and high missile count makes it a good supporter. Sort of like a tomcat without any of the flight performance. The F-16AJ is objectively better but I don't find it nearly as fun or cool.
I use my F-4J as a support aircraft as well, it works nicely for that, although it has seen better days.
The 3rd banger in a series of bangers that shall never end.
Thanks for the video!! A-4s next?
Thank you for the review.
Great video, could you do mig 21 next?
Thanks bro this was super helpful
Please could you do the different tornado variants
Well, EJ Kai is one of the best plane of an era has passed. Now it sit there, watching 4th Gen fighters combat each other without it best config: AAM-3 and AIM-7M
With the f4 being my favorite aircraft, I had to watch this
Dig the Synthwave intro
Please do all the MiG-21 compared. Great video btw
my new favourite youtube
GJ thank you. Sub from 'since 2013 WT nerd' for you.
Nice Video
I love F4‘s😅👍
do MiG-21 family variant mate, great video!
Yep 100% agree F-4S easily my favorite of all of them as well.
Man, I'm currently 60k rp away from my first Phantom, the Japanese one. Phantom's looks are the reason I started the grind in the first place 2 years ago, but now having watched this video, I might soon be in for a disappointing surprise :/
Great video, thank you.
My man used synthwave, respect
can you do one comparing all mig 21s? (with variants such as j7e and j8)
dis grat vid
In the last update the Furness got giving the pythons, 6 of them, AND THE B.R DROPPED FROM 12.0 TO 11.3
1:13 me who plays F-4C a lot and finds it very fun: 😮
Nice work. Among others, I'm really hoping we get an F-4E-58 (1983) foldered under the existing F-4E.
May I ask what the differences are between the regular F-4E and the F-4E-58?
@@galaxlordcz3933 Yeah so the F-4E block 58 would be an F-4E "late", as in a 1980s configuration. Engine, airframe, and rader are essentially the same (engine is now smokeless but same thrust).
The main differences are the weapons payload options. You would now be able to carry the AIM-7F and M variants, as well as AIM-9P-4 and -5, which are essentially all aspect variant of the -9P. Could even carry the -9L.
For air to ground it can equip all the GBU bomb options from the 80s, so GBU-10, 12, etc. But of particular interest would be the AGM-65D, the thermal version of the Maverick, as well as Shrike and standard arm anti-radiation missiles.
I think this should be added as a separate aircraft from the current F-4E but in the same folder. Especially since dynamic BRs based on modifications are not a thing in the game. And just to pay respect to the iconic Vietnam era F-4e in it's existing 1972/73 configuration.
BR 11.3 most likely. A bit more deadly in air-2-air with the -9Ls and 7Fs, but still not the best due to the lack of PD radar. But like the existing F-4E, it would be quite capable for CAS. Kind of like how the existing F-4E is better and CAS and the F-4J is better at air-to-air; you would now have improved versions of both those roles with the F-4E-58 and F-4S respectively.
I actually really enjoy the F-4C! It's fantastic in a downtier and if you play it right it is still capable in an uptier. Over the alternatives in the US tree I wouldn't skip it. It's a great learning platform for multirole use and as a first forray into radar missiles (even if they're shitty AIM-7D, you can get kills with them as most people don't bring chaff and only expect IR missiles at that BR).
video's great however i'd like to see the differences between all the mig21s
classic jaek banger
Real nice vid, but one thing I can add:
The engine in the F-4S while in XRAY say are the same thrust output, if you run WTRTI, they end up putting out an extra 200-300Kilograms of force PER ENGINE, which I guess cancels out the extra drag from those flaps. Quite quick in a straight line with that extra thrust.
The F-4J and F-4S have the same engines so if you run the same test you should be getting the same result. Last time I checked the files I saw some differences between the F4E engine but when i compared F4J and S I saw no difference
@@jaek_898 yes that's what I meant I forgot to specify lol
Makes me think "hmm F-4S is just a better F-4E"
I Once got the m60 Rise from a crate i openend and i sold it for about 300 bucks on the gjn market (dumb i know,its now worth much more) and i ended up buying many premium packs, premium account and....the F4F Early. Didnt knew back then it has no flares. Its a cool plane, but the no flare factor makes it hard to play for sure
Rocket pods are offensive flares :>it takes some great skill to fight using them.
Don't have any Phantoms yet, but it's certainly a jet I've always loved. I'll probably reach the Japanese ones before I grind that high in any other tech tree, so I'll be looking forward to the EJ Kai.
If I could suggest a future series of aircraft to cover, the F-104! The three I slogged through in the Italian tree are a nightmare to stock grind, and I don't even think I'll play them again now that I've spaded them, but I'm glad to have done it nonetheless.
Speaking of the Japanese tree, I don’t know where you are, but skip the F-104J. I spaded it, and that was a nightmare, even though that was last year. It’s 10.7 with no countermeasures.
I’m sure you’ll love the EJ Kai though. It may not be the best phantom out there anymore, but it still has a few upgrades that it can get. AAM-3 when Gaijin?
@@derritter3873 Oh, I'm very far down. I'm up in Rank IV, but I have tons to spade before I really dedicate to grinding that high. China will be my next top-tier nation, then Japan. Italy is my current main. That said, I've spaded three top-tier (at the time) F-104s, one without countermeasures, so I'm ready for anything.
@@ODST_Parker I don't think the F-104J is so bad. Granted, I'm good at sneaking around and taking high speed deflection shot, so I may be unusually good at extracting results from the thing. I still cherish the time I beat an F-4E in a dogfight with it, though (was being chased from 4 km, turned flat around, then dodged the deflection shot and went for a steep climbing spiral with maximum flaps setting but no airbrakes. Idea was to stay away from the Phantom's nose while also stalling last, and it just barely worked with the Phantommissing a couple more chances in the climb). But I imagine the F-104S ASA is just all around better, so if you didn't like it, I guess you won't like the 104 J either.
T-2 now gets 9Ps at 9.7, though, so should be great, while F-1 is basically the same plane but with two more 9Ps at 10.3. The BR difference made more sense when the T-2 was stuck with 9Es. Anyways, those two planes have decent turning performance, though not perfect. They hold their own but have no flares iirc.
How cool that all of them are powercrept now
I would really like to see a Breakdown of the mirage family
(doen't forget the Kfirs)
Next time you could do Mig-21s. Video fire though.
Phantom rider, very based aircraft
Can you make a video like this but with the mirage (f1 included)?
Now, question. Which one should I give the Mobius paint job? The E like the game had, or the Carrier versions like the game wants you to think it is?
7:36 yeah imagine this aircraft with Rolls-Royce Medway turbofans
Do a spitfire comparison next
Can you make the same video about MiG-23/27 family?
Man the early is good because it turns the best and is the fastest thing at it's br
Honestly the Phantom is one of my favorite fighters of all time and the fact that there are so many to choose from is quite nice. It's just too bad that Gaijin's strange decisions with balancing means that half of them are basically either overpriced garbage or entirely powercrept out of relevancy. The F-4C is alright IF you know what you're doing, especially with 30G and all-aspect missiles that are all too common at 10.0. Rocket pods or even shooting at their missile in mid-air can be a pretty good way to counter, but does the extra effort put in really justify using it in its current state? I feel so bad for Japan mains, I have the EJ Kai and remember when she was among the top dogs in air battles, rivaling the MLD and F-14s pretty handily, especially after the AIM-9L buff. Now it's just kind of sad and you're better off playing the Kurnass 2k if you want the cool upgraded Phantom experience. Maybe one day Gaijin will help out these poor souls with better matchmaking that will better reflect what they should be fighting.
As a Phantom phan, I hope that at some point this year, Phantom gameplay will be normal again. Now it's either be screwed by 30g all aspect missiles or face F-14s, F-16s, MiG-23s and MiG-29s. Only the F-4J and F-4S can be used competitively, but the latter is mostly used by noobs who don't understand BFM, let alone BVR.
Well now that all heatseekers have been nerfed into the ground including the aim9L, flight performance is easily the most important factor. Missiles are kind of a joke to dodge rn. press one button to avoid heatseeker, fly against the ground to avoid 100% of radar missiles. Chimp gameplay.
@@Red_Lion2000 Chimp gameplay, true that. The aspect of realism that this stuff is based on has been multiplied tenfold, at least it tends to feel like that. I just played some SB, but I might honestly just go play DCS instead (for which I already have plenty of stuff).
Important to note and I bet it’s been said but the f4j has large bore flares so they’re more effective counter measures for the better ir missiles like aim9l’s
The F-4J has normal (small caliber) flares. If it had large caliber flares it would say "Large Caliber Countermeasures x60" instead of "Countermeasures x60"
The difference between the H and G missle is that the H tracks slightly further off boresight mind you it won't lock more degrees off bore but will allow the missile continue to track at higher angles after launch
Track rate has nothing to do with off boresight ingame, I've tested it in CDK missions. Track rate only matters when the missile is making huge corrections at very close range, and even then, the difference is so negligable that the missile isn't maneuverable enough to take advantage of it at that point. IRL it's supposed to be how quickly the seeker can pivot on its gimbal but ingame it's just this weird "responsiveness" value that only matters when it's set to
Ayy, just what the doctor ordered
Kinda funny, I really enjoy the adtw and i would say it is one of the best phantoms in the game for me personally.
It obviously wasn’t mentioned in the video but for those CAS enjoyers only the F-4E, Kurnass ,Kurnass 2000 and F-4F can carry guided weapons with all of the able to carry AGM-65s (granted the F-4F can only carry 2) and all of them but the F-4F able to carry TV guided bombs. The Kuranass 2000 can also use the GBU family of laser guided bombs.
all phantoms American phantoms can carry bombs ranging from 250lb to 1000lb including retarded bombs. USAF phantoms can additionally choose to carry 3x2000lb bombs or 4x 500kg Napalm bombs or 3xM61 gunpods. All American phantoms can carry Zunis and Mighty Mouse rockets
The German phantom like the American ones can carry all bombs and rockets up to 2000lb bombs and Zunis, they also get the option of a single 3000lb bomb for fun. They can only carry 2 M61s tho and the F-4F late can not carry napalm.
British phantoms can only carry 1000 and 540lb bombs, additionally they use SNEB rockets instead of might mouse. They only get the single M61 and no guided weapons.
Japanese phantoms get 500lb, 750lb and 1000lb including retarded bombs but lack guided weapons. They do have access to 3x M61
The Kurnass has the exact same option as the F-4E with one exception being a lack of GBU-15s. The same applies to the Kurnass 2000 but it gets Paveways instead.
The C needs countermeasure pods at least as pilots have said it had
Do one on the Mig-21s
Can’t wait for f-4G
Jaek finally fully awake
You forgot to state that most the Es have to go against 12.0 😵💫 (my stock grind for E || killed me
Good video jaek_!
Hmm I like the F-4C, it fits my slower playstyle pretty good and have several games with 4 kills. And with all those premiums after sale, it is sometimes pretty easy to play in late game.
Since there aren’t as many it may not be good but the f104 and obviously the mig family would be great
All I'm adding is that you should definitely *get* the EJ Kai, because mark my words, when the F-15 comes in, it's gonna be in that tree.
You weren't wrong
you could do bf109, theres lots of them
"The British tree is not worth investing in" oi mate sod you yeah it is
Wish I watched this before I got the F-4J UK 💀
still waiting for the F-4D gaijin come on already 😩
Can you do one on the mig 21s?
Can you do one with about the P-51s?
F5s? maybe too little of them for a full vid but could pair with something like the 104s
Cant wait for the F4F ICE addition!! The west Germany tree is silent with the new major updates and with addition of Mig29 and SU22m4, it wont be long before F4f ICE will be added into the game
I know, I hope it will alleast have sparrows
@@Tweetsix Sparrows? F4F ICE ‘KWS’ has AIM120 as Sparrows XD
Mind that the model and loadout of pretty much every Phantom in-game isn't period correct. Still love them though and I'll be sure to enjoy the DCS F-4E once that's released :)
Closed captions got turned on automatically, and I think I'll be calling the Kurnass "Current ass" from now on
Lol this is one of the reasons ive been doing captions manually on the newer vids
What about all AA missile differences? If that's too daunting of a task. How about all Aim series of missiles.
I'm waiting for the F-4F ICE.
Still annoyed the FGR hasn't got their Aim-9Ls despite carrying them. Fingers crossed we get them at some point, maybe superTEMPS too but not sure if the FGR was able to carry them
Spitfires? (Good luck bro)
F-4C should you play it? Absolutey YES!....... But only play it as bomber and with talisman. The only counterpart in US techtree for perfect grinder is F-105. With F-4C which is fastest bomber in 10.0 around. it mean you can basiclly guarantee to took 2 base on a roll. But still need to be awared the all aspect missile.
I think it's worth making a comparison of all the MiG-21s
Great video. Hoping that the F-4C can be made playable again because it was fun to fly a while ago but well, it's ass now with no flares.
Might be a hot take but I honestly just want them to convert it to an F-4D and bump it to 10.3. They've converted vehicles like that in the past.
@@jaek_898 Whatever it takes to make it playable lol. Still though, I want a BR range to exist where early supersonic aircraft can thrive without clubbing earlier subsonics or facing 30G missiles without flares.
@@jaek_898 Why bump it? They could give the F-4C its flares that it carried IRL and it could stay 10.0 and add the F-4D as another vehicle at 10.3.
@@pilotvictor7896 The F-4C never had flares IRL. Since it's been added to the game not a single person has found any proof that it ever carried flares even once. It had illumination flares IIRC, but never decoy flares, the manual page that commonly gets thrown around cuts out the next page that says "F-4D Only". But if you have proof by all means submit a bug report I'd love for the F4C to get flares.
@jaek_898 The ALE-40? That's F-4D only? I'm reading now that the F-4C didn't carry it in combat but it still could have been loaded right?
I think it’s stupid that other countries get more phantoms than the USA, I call for more US phantom variants. Like the F4G wild weasel variant or the F4A, which was pretty much the first phantom.
Wish ghe f4f late got its sparrows back, it would be a beast
Maybe MiG21 or 23 family next?
I think F4C is still quite useful due to its 10.0 br. Thanks to 10.0 gold plane users, I usually get matched with 9.3~10.3 match, which means there’s not many flares, and this machine is the only machine that can fight throughout the whole game time. It has total 8 AA missiles 10000 pounds of bomb(with bomb computer) and has 1200 round gun pod(I know it spreads and inaccurate but I think the spreading makes me to hit the target easier, like a shotgun buckshot shell) at one setup.
The FG phantoms are pretty good but now that the Tornadoes have released Gaijin is probably gonna forget to give it AIM-9Ls
Guys life hack, f4c at 25k feet, Mach 1.4 launching aim7s at bandits out to 20k and honestly it works especially if you crank, no flares needed (50/50, sometimes you merge though)🍻