The Most Important Background Vocals Trick

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    Artist: Brave Holiday
    Song Title: Just Kids
    Producer:Andrew Bergthold
    In this episode of MakeMineMusic, Marc Daniel Nelson shows a sneaky but extremely
    effective trick to get your background vocals to stay under the lead which in turn makes
    the lead vocal even stronger. Follow along as he shows you step by step. Is this the most
    important Background vocals trick?
    This trick has saved Marc an incredible amount of time when trying to get the clarity needed to get the background vocals sit up front, and behind the lead vocals, without sounding brash or like they are taking over the main lead vocal.
    The song used to demonstrate this trick is “Just Kids” by Andrew Bergthold
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Komentáře • 257

  • @Producelikeapro
    @Producelikeapro  Před 2 lety +41

    What do YOU do when mixing vocals? Comment below!

    • @rrdream2400
      @rrdream2400 Před 2 lety +4

      for certain songs, I have rolled off the high end on all the backups, like over 5k

    • @mobthegamer5391
      @mobthegamer5391 Před 2 lety +5

      I use a similar trick but using a plugin called TrackSpacer by WavesFactory, which ducks down the frequencies to make room for the source to poke out, it's almost like sidechain compression but less "squashy".

    • @me1k0r
      @me1k0r Před 2 lety +4

      I mostly despair...:-)

    • @timball8429
      @timball8429 Před 2 lety +6

      DS-ing is definitely something I do but never thought about a multiband side chained from the main Vox. Good idea. Thanks! One thing I do is more in tracking getting the BVs sung from further away (like 18 inches or more depending on the style). This makes less work for the compressor. Less sibilants, plosives and proximity affect.

    • @updown5238
      @updown5238 Před 2 lety

      Clip gaining the vocal helps where needed helps hit the vocal compressor in a more even, better fashion - and a bit of tape delay on the vox is nice too.

  • @timelias3738
    @timelias3738 Před 2 lety +70

    As a jingle singer in the 70's and 80's, it was common to drop "esses" as a bg singer. Cleaned up splashy esses without de essers

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  Před 2 lety +11

      Indeed! I often make sure BV singers either don’t sing them or I will mute them or bring them down afterwards

    • @blqckpop
      @blqckpop Před rokem +6

      With Melodyne one can just completely remove the Ss from the BVs. Since you don’t need more than one S across the entire vocals you can adjust that one S how you like. But of course , great advice here, Great work Marc!

    • @danepaulstewart8464
      @danepaulstewart8464 Před 10 měsíci +5

      YES! The lost skill that EVERY jingle singer in Chicago all knew how to do in the 1980’s.
      Lost knowledge is a real thing.
      It’s not limited to Roman Road Building.

    • @RaphaelLoopro
      @RaphaelLoopro Před 4 měsíci +1

      I actually remove it with fade ins but also sing backings without ts and sses

  • @ericjvalentine
    @ericjvalentine Před 2 lety +48

    Just a friendly heads up! Andrew Bergthold is a friend, and he was the producer on this. The artist is actually Brave Holiday. Just want to give them credit too. Thanks for a great video!

  • @TheUndoneOrchestra
    @TheUndoneOrchestra Před rokem +6

    So grateful for Produce Like a Pro in helping us to sit at the feet of these talented engineers...thank you Marc for participating.

  • @madmuso5
    @madmuso5 Před 2 lety +20

    I always automate the level of S's and P's almost all the way down if the BVs and main vocals are singing the exact same parts. As long as they are present in the main vocal your ear doesnt notice.

    • @TECTONICSMASH
      @TECTONICSMASH Před rokem +4

      Simple and effective. Automation can solve most problems that people try to fix with fancy effects processing.

  • @AlexeySolovievMusic
    @AlexeySolovievMusic Před 2 lety +3

    Love all videos with Marc! Thank you so much Warren for inviting only the Best to the party!

  • @RoryButlerMusic
    @RoryButlerMusic Před 2 lety +3

    Finally getting round to watching this and it's the perfect time for this trick.
    Working on a mix where the artist thought my approach to the backing vocals was too present and I think this will be a godsend in tucking some of the harshness back!

  • @davejohnsonmusic
    @davejohnsonmusic Před 2 lety +2

    What a cool trick. I just found a new problem and fix to look out for. This dude mixes some great tracks. He's so good.

  • @matthewsweet5232
    @matthewsweet5232 Před 2 lety +1

    What a great technique! Thanks @ProduceLikeAPro for these mini-classes!

  • @calvinschatzke5899
    @calvinschatzke5899 Před 2 lety +17

    This trick also seems to add a lot of sweet dynamic variance between the front and backing vox. Awesome!

  • @teddinardo8944
    @teddinardo8944 Před 2 lety

    thank you for another great show, Produce like a Pro has to be the best for producers on CZcams

  • @mikaanttila9251
    @mikaanttila9251 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you again MDN - excellent tip for free. And you don't only control the "s" with MB compression. At the same time you control high frequencies and this way send the background vocal further and create more space for lead vocal.

  • @billyjoebobjimjr
    @billyjoebobjimjr Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome tip! Thanks Marc!

  • @rickdeaguiar-musicreflecti7692

    Excellent advice. Thank you so much for taking the time Mark :)

  • @nigell.8705
    @nigell.8705 Před 3 měsíci

    Nobody is talking about the awesome lighting, color palette, and color contrast of your video. They're awesome.

  • @Joey-rp5vg
    @Joey-rp5vg Před 2 lety

    Smashing video Marc. Thanks very much. Keep them coming

  • @andrecarvalhomusic
    @andrecarvalhomusic Před 2 lety +1

    Marc is AMAZING!

  • @MixingInActionStudios
    @MixingInActionStudios Před měsícem

    Love having this knowledge to come to when i need it the most. This just helped improve the current mix im working on. Thanks Marc. Thanks for sharing

  • @jloiben12
    @jloiben12 Před 2 lety +3

    This is a phenomenal idea

  • @GoldTopDeluxe70
    @GoldTopDeluxe70 Před 2 lety +4

    You share such practical and useful techniques I am always impressed with the depth of knowledge you are putting into your work. Thank you, thank you, thank you…

  • @starsandguitars2050
    @starsandguitars2050 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you. I really gain insight from your tutorials. Truly thankful.

  • @abelhopson9785
    @abelhopson9785 Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks for the detailing tips ,its really helpful

  • @christianbeale
    @christianbeale Před 2 lety +2

    wrapping up an LP mix right now and this was the EXACT thing that my BV bus needed. thanks for the trick as always ya'll!

  • @MarkNordeen
    @MarkNordeen Před 2 lety +1

    Another super informative video from Marc. A technique that I will be using.

  • @MusiclyricsByECDaleyC
    @MusiclyricsByECDaleyC Před 2 lety +1

    Great tip, you always bring the goods! Thank you....

  • @urigelman2182
    @urigelman2182 Před 2 lety +1

    Nice trick! Cool and quick way to get the BGVs to play nice with the Lead Vox.

  • @misterjohnnymusic
    @misterjohnnymusic Před 2 lety +3

    Very creative. Years of experience guides to the top!

  • @briankingart
    @briankingart Před 2 lety +1

    Doctor (MD) Nelson does it again, magic vocals! Thank you Dr.

  • @frederickthorne2496
    @frederickthorne2496 Před 2 lety +2

    brilliant! this is so helpful. thank you!

  • @erhanbilge8442
    @erhanbilge8442 Před 2 lety

    Always feel smarter after your videos thanks a bunch!

  • @kendallhoulder5139
    @kendallhoulder5139 Před 2 lety +1

    Mixing Multiple Tracks like this...CLICK ON THE VIDEO BOOM !!!! YOU SOLVED THE PROBLEM I WAS HAVING...THANK YOU BRO!!!

  • @poochfazos
    @poochfazos Před 8 měsíci

    What a fire lesson thank you

  • @timflatus
    @timflatus Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you so much for that big fat clue!

  • @G-Doggy
    @G-Doggy Před 2 lety +1

    I see a new MDN or Warren video, and I get my notebook out. Another great tip. Thank you!

  • @whatafterthis
    @whatafterthis Před 2 lety +1

    Great tip as always, thanks!

  • @akosiniroh
    @akosiniroh Před 2 lety +1

    as always, great content!

  • @silversteelstudio
    @silversteelstudio Před rokem

    Thank you for sharing this trick

  • @updown5238
    @updown5238 Před 2 lety +1

    Marc you're the man!

  • @martinnomade
    @martinnomade Před 2 lety +1

    You always learn something new, thank you!

  • @fulstaak
    @fulstaak Před 4 měsíci

    That's a pretty smart technique. Thanks for sharing.

  • @mixedbykg8885
    @mixedbykg8885 Před měsícem

    Great technique

  • @DarrenWinklerMusic
    @DarrenWinklerMusic Před 2 lety +1

    Fantastic tip!

  • @allpdmusic
    @allpdmusic Před 2 lety +1

    Very cool Marc! Thanks!

  • @jamesjames77777
    @jamesjames77777 Před 4 měsíci

    THANK YOU Brother!! I do something similar with Bass, only side chain the bottom end, but never thought to do it on vocals. Doing this on a record right now, you just saved me a load of time! X

  • @NICUofficial
    @NICUofficial Před 2 lety +3

    Wow that is a THICCCCC mix, good hearing these tips, not what I expected to get what I clicked in, but gonna be massively helpful since I"m producing AND tracking AND writing AND singing on my next album for NICU... boutta head back into the home recording booth to start working on background vocals for the album's main single. This gives me some great ideas about what I can expect to adjust in production vs. what I need to think about when coming up with cool vocal harmonies.. helps alot.

  • @dominiksikulec3454
    @dominiksikulec3454 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you Marc ❤️

  • @tutubeos
    @tutubeos Před 2 lety +1

    Very clever. Thank you!

  • @Alien-qw5ks
    @Alien-qw5ks Před 2 lety +1

    The ducking of certain frequencies by side chaining is a very useful trick.
    Ideas triggered!
    Thnx :-)

  • @wagnergarcia2011
    @wagnergarcia2011 Před rokem

    The king Nelson!

  • @assshakerstudios549
    @assshakerstudios549 Před 2 lety

    Great trick! Time saver for sure!

  • @emilianovillavedra6979
    @emilianovillavedra6979 Před 2 lety +2

    Super pro tip!

  • @bobbykanemusictube
    @bobbykanemusictube Před 2 lety +1

    I am most certainly going to try this. It's a great idea.

  • @splashesin8
    @splashesin8 Před 2 lety +1

    🙌🏻😀Thank you Marc!

  • @philfyphil
    @philfyphil Před 2 lety +6

    Just the concept opens up all kinds of ideas for controlling other frequencies.

  • @kidwave1
    @kidwave1 Před 2 lety

    This is an amazing technique!

  • @LizardWizard_
    @LizardWizard_ Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for the tip! 👍🏼

  • @kazlee7985
    @kazlee7985 Před rokem

    Greatly improved my bcks! thank u brother

  • @surgerywithoutknives2353
    @surgerywithoutknives2353 Před 2 lety +2

    Top stuff … as usual 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  • @Bring_MeSunshine
    @Bring_MeSunshine Před 2 lety +1

    I'll take that. Thank you very much

  • @LasseHuhtala
    @LasseHuhtala Před 2 lety +1

    Indeed a neat trick.

  • @antcall6779
    @antcall6779 Před 2 lety +4

    I get such a huge smile when I hear that intro music! Marc you are my hero and my favorite mixer. Great info as usual my friend 🤘

  • @petercutler3136
    @petercutler3136 Před 2 lety

    Nice One. Thanks.

  • @pinkpalmsmusic
    @pinkpalmsmusic Před rokem +1

    yes sir!❤️

  • @FavioMagnoGuitarrista
    @FavioMagnoGuitarrista Před 2 lety +6

    "You are the champion" Marc Daniel Nelson: Humility, Simplicity and Immeasurable Talent in 8 '. Thanks Warren !!!
    PLAP: "The best channel in real life" Blessings!

  • @mandoaries
    @mandoaries Před rokem

    im gonna try this!

  • @dk60ish
    @dk60ish Před měsícem

    Cool song!

  • @Skykingsound
    @Skykingsound Před 2 lety +34

    Can we get a video just showing off the Fairchild? BTW, great process and perfect timing as I have a few songs with 3-part background vocals.

  • @FredGuits
    @FredGuits Před 2 lety +6

    You can have 1 background do the S… and the others use a TH on the S as if lisping…. You can also direct the background singers except for 1 to just mis-pronounce and leave of the S completely off the word…instead of sun (un) … sounds ridiculous but it absolutely works and uses less processing

    • @massivebeatzz
      @massivebeatzz Před 2 lety +3

      that means telling them to behave like Frankenstein...or comedians...going to be hard to sustain over longer periods of time.

  • @mdemartial2670
    @mdemartial2670 Před rokem

    Super tricks THX

  • @miamisynthwave
    @miamisynthwave Před rokem

    Thanks a million, really good trick. :-)

  • @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
    @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n Před 2 lety +1

    learned this the hard way esp because i was recording bv's with a 2db high shelf. the buildup was nasty and i didnt realise until id tracked them all. my crude on-the-fly idea was just to cut the sybs really aggressively on all but one or two of the bv tracks. this way is obv way more profesh so thanks for that

  • @montysweetmusic3458
    @montysweetmusic3458 Před 27 dny

    Very very useful tip. Thank you so much for sharing

  • @timmsky
    @timmsky Před 2 lety +2

    Who are the philistines who give this man a thumbs down? For shame... Marc, once again your expertise rocks my world. Thankyou man, thank you!

    • @audiospectra
      @audiospectra Před 2 lety

      Unfortunately, you can impress everyone. Some people will always find fault in everything.

  • @philippgrunert8776
    @philippgrunert8776 Před 2 lety +1

    Great Tipp

  • @MaxFury_Official
    @MaxFury_Official Před 2 lety +15

    It's almost an jawdropping reaction on this genius trick! Why did i never think about that? I usually just cut out the S's and drop them in volume, Haha

    • @brucedickert5411
      @brucedickert5411 Před 2 lety

      Hey, don't worry. That is another great way to address this situation. I'm not entirely convinced that it would take THAT much longer anyways. I do the same thing.

    • @Alienor-music
      @Alienor-music Před 2 lety

      Same here.

    • @brettjockell6611
      @brettjockell6611 Před 2 lety

      I am old and feeble so I watched it twice...oh hell yeah...cool trick. I'm curious since I dont have that particular plugin......what is the lo pass cut off and slope you used on that band?
      Great move!

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  Před 2 lety +3

      Yes, simple, but effective!

    • @moyrmixhub54
      @moyrmixhub54 Před 2 lety +1

      @@brettjockell6611 The cutoff is set to about 3.7k and it looks like the default slope of 24db/oct.

  • @pinkpalmsmusic
    @pinkpalmsmusic Před rokem +1

    yes sir!👌

  • @butterfly2385
    @butterfly2385 Před 2 lety +1

    Cool...I enjoyed that song...has a nice vibe...✌💜😃🎸🎤🎧🎹

  • @chike1866
    @chike1866 Před 2 lety +1

    I can totally relate. Esses in delays too can be annoying.

  • @zavaudioproduction
    @zavaudioproduction Před 2 lety

    Amazing...

  • @uniquerecords5034
    @uniquerecords5034 Před 2 lety +1

    But I sidechain a lot kick-bass, or others things when needed!
    But it is a cool trick!!
    Always great to see!!
    Thanks guys!!

  • @michaelsstatement
    @michaelsstatement Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing 🤘

  • @jamespark5842
    @jamespark5842 Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks 👌

  • @andytullis8736
    @andytullis8736 Před 2 lety +1

    Very interesting.........thank you

  • @aeiplanner
    @aeiplanner Před 2 lety +2

    It would be great if you could do a vocal processing chain step by step on this track. I think this is what most people shoot for in terms of getting the vocals to sit properly in the mix.

  • @coalshedfamily8394
    @coalshedfamily8394 Před 2 lety +1

    Thx you learned alot

  • @theMarcoBarosi
    @theMarcoBarosi Před 2 lety +2

    I wanna be Marc when I grow up

  • @lancecollins5074
    @lancecollins5074 Před rokem +1

    thank you

  • @trevortjes
    @trevortjes Před 2 lety +9

    Damn, this technique sounds so logical now. When trying to keep the backing vocals in the back, I thought it was a good idea to run a transient controller over them to kill the transients which tend to stand out in the mix where you don't want them, but I never got great results with it.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  Před 2 lety +5

      Yes! Agreed 100%!

    • @Knardsh
      @Knardsh Před 2 lety +2

      I just tried this today actually. Also didn’t work very well.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  Před 2 lety +4

      @@Knardsh yes, using transient control really is putting a bandaid on a gaping wound!

  • @samkenny3075
    @samkenny3075 Před 2 lety +2

    Fantastic idea!... dammit, I wish I woulda thought of that! Seems so obvious once you said it

  • @timoteooo94
    @timoteooo94 Před 5 měsíci +1

    It’s all about the ear! Another secret is to have one track with no effects. Also panning helps too and flangers. Just gotta kno how to level it.

  • @RandyWillcox
    @RandyWillcox Před 2 lety

    That's great! It seems like it should be obvious, yet, here I am... 🤯

  • @JayYarbroughMusic
    @JayYarbroughMusic Před 2 lety +2

    Great stuff as always. Always excited to see pros talk about mixing background vocals. I also enjoyed how you were fading in and out the song you're working with but.., I think you were kinda doing that headphone wearing yelling thing as the volume went up ROFL. Too funny. Marc, love your videos!!

  • @jefwilson6695
    @jefwilson6695 Před 2 lety +3

    I wish that you could elaborate on "keying it". -I think that you're creating a side chain de-esser, using the main vox as a trigger to reduce top freqs of bgrnd vox; and "keying it" is glossed over, and I suspect that it tops the important aspects of this process.

    • @melo3101
      @melo3101 Před rokem

      The key is the source that triggers a certain effect : in that case the key is the lead vocal

  • @mikewallace1270
    @mikewallace1270 Před 2 lety +1

    Wow the comments are great. I've learned so much reading everyone's comments. There are many ways to do this. I had no idea!

  • @marc_leblanc
    @marc_leblanc Před 2 lety +2

    Great tip from MDN. Plus his name is Marc, can't go wrong there!! LMAO

  • @imado1999
    @imado1999 Před 2 lety +1

    the fairchild in the background is all what im looking at

  • @nashse7en
    @nashse7en Před 7 měsíci +1

    Bro i never though about that "deess in the backVocals" never even saw nobody talking about it. Wow thats a good and simple trick.

  • @jonnyspade
    @jonnyspade Před 5 měsíci

    You look like Jacob from Lost. Also thanks for the tutorial.

  • @pb3662
    @pb3662 Před 6 měsíci +1

    @Producelikeapro What "in-ear" monitors does Marc use? You see them in a lot of videos so I assume they work well for him but it wasn't covered in the studio tour and I cant find any information elsewhere?

  • @anthonypfranco
    @anthonypfranco Před 2 lety +1

    I have done similar with fabfilter Pro Q-3 using side chain and dynamic eq. Any advantage one vs. the other?