*the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
By that time the U.S. navy would have fallen into disrepair with a lack of ships, lack of manpower, lack of leadership... till the U.S. military becomes a shadow of its present self. 😢
I think with only 15% in common, the mother design actually become a "restriction" rather than a solid based design to save time. And such restriction may actually be the reason for the design to be so difficult. It is either who select the FREMM design should be accountable (apparently that design doesn't fit NAVY's requirement at all which results in so much change to be required) or NAVSEA should be accountable for keep adding stupid modification requirement that ruin the entire process. Suprise that the NAVY keep "losing confidence" on many ship CO/XO but not a single general who create so much mess like this get fired.
Ask the US Army or US Air Force? What do expect when the people who are lobbying? Most want their pensions in these service to be paid as well as their old man perks (thefts)....Could be a lack of NAVY personnel not getting REAL US ACCREDITED advance STEM Degree? Look at the last senior officer promotion list...a lot of dead people, people who are member in other services and etc... Damm liars at the good old boy network promotion board.
*the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
@@WilliamSanderson-zh9dq I remember reading about the LCS concept in Proceedings back in the late 80's and 90's. Honestly, I just shook my head. It was pretty easy to see where that was going to go. I really don't think much of the minimal manning concept.
Still waiting on hull 1,the whole point of bringing back frigates into our fleet was supposed to be they were cheaper and faster to build over our destroyers
*the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
That's exactly what they're not doing. Keep in mind, this frigate needs to be able to fight well into the second half of the century and beyond. There's a lot of new technology that you don't even know exists on that ship.
Why is the US Navy not following what the USAF in the late '50s when it adopted the English Electric Canberra? The USAF only asked for mods to the engine, the bomb bay doors and the cockpit and Martin (who built the Canberra as the B-26) did it. Heck, one can swap wings between a B-26 and the OG EE version.
*the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
“Let’s build a ship based on a mature tried-and-tested design, even we can’t screw that up.” 4 years later “We’re not finished with the design.” You can’t make this up. 🤦🏼♂️
Need to build the faster turn around off the shelf fincantieri 85 15 common till the new redesigned hull is ready then start building the required 12 on top of some extra off the shelf interim bonus hulls that can probably be passed on to a poorer ally or be saved in mothball for mass mobilization.
I had hoped the Navy would procure HII'S Patrol Frigate 4923 design. Changes already factored in, common hull, parent design in production, and from a US shipbuilder to boot. But nope, let's FUBAR another design.
The US government needs to take full control of ship building from industry. They are jerking around with our time and money and it directly impacts our national security.
*i as the ex n.j.r.o.t.c. cadet and the cold war ex active duty u.s. army 11B10 infantryman am disillusioned partly due to the following: the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
South Korean frigates are even lighter than the FREMM, requiring even more modifications to fit US requirements. The best solution was to build Constellation from the standard FREMM with minimal modifications.
To put things in contest: by the time the USN got 85% complete in their "design", Fincantieri Italy delivered 6 new Fremm ships on budget, and is now completing the design of the Fremm EVO with a totally new bridge and radar system... I guess Mr Xi Jin Ping is LMAO hard! 😂
Sort of pointless choosing an existing, serving platform if you're going to morph it into something else. Maybe, the USN missed the boat by not choosing the Type 26 that the UK, Canada and Australia are now building, each country applying their custom requirements.
Someone needs to held accountable, relieved, retired at their previous rank. Enough already with the clown show called Navy Ship Construction Programs.
Well that's not a surprise the Navy vet likes to make everything way too big that's the American Navy personally it's a frigate it should only be ram at 4000 tons destroyers should be around 8000 tons And a cruiser should be 10,000 tons. I'm one of these days I might sing you guys my article the U s Navy like ships way too damn big 😂 😂I'm between sci fi short story.
@@_R-R The biggest problem with the US Navy is everything's way too big The frigate we want to be out is 6000 tons why all that does is add cost and it takes longer to build electronics are getting smaller and more powerful maybe somebody need to tell that to the US Navy Can I get back to my writing
Unfortunately this Program is another shipwreck for the US Navy……. Program management has been mediocre and we’re facing threats that make availably of Frigates critical…..
And how many tax dollars did we lose outsourcing these ship to Italy? Remember, if project isn't built in the US all we get is the ship and not the increase in our GDP through domestic spending.
I beg your pardon Gentlemen, Guess I miss read this: Contract award On 30 April 2020, it was announced that Fincantieri Marinette Marine's FREMM design had won the contest and was awarded a $795-million contract for detailed design and construction of the lead ship, with options for nine additional ships.[25] In May 2021, the U.S. Navy issued Fincantieri Marinette Marine a $554-million contract to start building the future USS Congress (FFG-63).[26]
and the beat goes on, delay, delay, delay...lowest bidder, what would you expect, now overweight, underpowered, and of course will increase in price, "up a river without a paddle."
The Navy is failing with design/development and execution of a current and future Fleet... very disconcerting! Anybody fired - nope!
Not to worry, they will get promoted...
@@AC_WILDCARD And then hired for a cushy job with one of the major contractors.
*the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
By that time the U.S. navy would have fallen into disrepair with a lack of ships, lack of manpower, lack of leadership... till the U.S. military becomes a shadow of its present self. 😢
I think with only 15% in common, the mother design actually become a "restriction" rather than a solid based design to save time. And such restriction may actually be the reason for the design to be so difficult. It is either who select the FREMM design should be accountable (apparently that design doesn't fit NAVY's requirement at all which results in so much change to be required) or NAVSEA should be accountable for keep adding stupid modification requirement that ruin the entire process. Suprise that the NAVY keep "losing confidence" on many ship CO/XO but not a single general who create so much mess like this get fired.
Ask the US Army or US Air Force? What do expect when the people who are lobbying? Most want their pensions in these service to be paid as well as their old man perks (thefts)....Could be a lack of NAVY personnel not getting REAL US ACCREDITED advance STEM Degree? Look at the last senior officer promotion list...a lot of dead people, people who are member in other services and etc... Damm liars at the good old boy network promotion board.
Nice to see you folks have managed to screw up my Navy in the 25 years since I retired.
*the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
Longer. They haven’t designed a successful new surface combatant since the Burke in 1988. Sickening.
@@WilliamSanderson-zh9dq I remember reading about the LCS concept in Proceedings back in the late 80's and 90's. Honestly, I just shook my head. It was pretty easy to see where that was going to go. I really don't think much of the minimal manning concept.
Still waiting on hull 1,the whole point of bringing back frigates into our fleet was supposed to be they were cheaper and faster to build over our destroyers
Wow. This was a quick acquisition program from 2017!
Existing design transforms to new design.
Don't worry everyone!!! We just bought number 6 even though we have NO FREAKING CLUE if this ship will work out right or not!! 😁
*the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
That's exactly what they're not doing. Keep in mind, this frigate needs to be able to fight well into the second half of the century and beyond. There's a lot of new technology that you don't even know exists on that ship.
One would think that with LCS still fresh in everyone's mind this problems would have been averted.
Why is the US Navy not following what the USAF in the late '50s when it adopted the English Electric Canberra? The USAF only asked for mods to the engine, the bomb bay doors and the cockpit and Martin (who built the Canberra as the B-26) did it. Heck, one can swap wings between a B-26 and the OG EE version.
When do we get to admit we have some serious, structural problems? After we lose?
*the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
“Let’s build a ship based on a mature tried-and-tested design, even we can’t screw that up.”
4 years later
“We’re not finished with the design.”
You can’t make this up. 🤦🏼♂️
What are they doing?….. it just never ends……
The USN is turning this Frigate into another LCS nightmare. They never learn.
Need to build the faster turn around off the shelf fincantieri 85 15 common till the new redesigned hull is ready then start building the required 12 on top of some extra off the shelf interim bonus hulls that can probably be passed on to a poorer ally or be saved in mothball for mass mobilization.
I had hoped the Navy would procure HII'S Patrol Frigate 4923 design. Changes already factored in, common hull, parent design in production, and from a US shipbuilder to boot. But nope, let's FUBAR another design.
The US government needs to take full control of ship building from industry. They are jerking around with our time and money and it directly impacts our national security.
*i as the ex n.j.r.o.t.c. cadet and the cold war ex active duty u.s. army 11B10 infantryman am disillusioned partly due to the following: the navy with the others branches continue to prove themselves along with everyone indirectly and directly are those that must be keep in check by ensuring that their deeds are thoroughly scrutinized due to a lot of ulterior motives with unexpected delays especially the intentional delays to protect the untrustworthy* - 7:03 pm pacific daylight savings time on wednesday, 3 july 2024 leap year
Better subcontract to S. Korea
South Korean frigates are even lighter than the FREMM, requiring even more modifications to fit US requirements.
The best solution was to build Constellation from the standard FREMM with minimal modifications.
Is Boeing and NASA involved in this ?
To put things in contest: by the time the USN got 85% complete in their "design", Fincantieri Italy delivered 6 new Fremm ships on budget, and is now completing the design of the Fremm EVO with a totally new bridge and radar system...
I guess Mr Xi Jin Ping is LMAO hard! 😂
Sort of pointless choosing an existing, serving platform if you're going to morph it into something else.
Maybe, the USN missed the boat by not choosing the Type 26 that the UK, Canada and Australia are now building, each country applying their custom requirements.
Someone needs to held accountable, relieved, retired at their previous rank. Enough already with the clown show called Navy Ship Construction Programs.
Pick FREMM design to speed up the process, then let NAVSEA toss that out and start from scratch?
Who 'became' President in 2021 ? 🤔
Well that's not a surprise the Navy vet likes to make everything way too big that's the American Navy personally it's a frigate it should only be ram at 4000 tons destroyers should be around 8000 tons And a cruiser should be 10,000 tons. I'm one of these days I might sing you guys my article the U s Navy like ships way too damn big 😂 😂I'm between sci fi short story.
Yeah, frigates nowadays are really destroyers in all but name. (And FFG(X) is another AAW platform. Not like DDG-51 already takes care of that. Nope.)
@@_R-R The biggest problem with the US Navy is everything's way too big The frigate we want to be out is 6000 tons why all that does is add cost and it takes longer to build electronics are getting smaller and more powerful maybe somebody need to tell that to the US Navy Can I get back to my writing
Unfortunately this Program is another shipwreck for the US Navy……. Program management has been mediocre and we’re facing threats that make availably of Frigates critical…..
And how many tax dollars did we lose outsourcing these ship to Italy? Remember, if project isn't built in the US all we get is the ship and not the increase in our GDP through domestic spending.
They are built in Wisconsin, so not sure what your point is.
The shipbuilding is still in the US, the design is only taken from Italian/French shipbuilders.
I beg your pardon Gentlemen, Guess I miss read this: Contract award
On 30 April 2020, it was announced that Fincantieri Marinette Marine's FREMM design had won the contest and was awarded a $795-million contract for detailed design and construction of the lead ship, with options for nine additional ships.[25] In May 2021, the U.S. Navy issued Fincantieri Marinette Marine a $554-million contract to start building the future USS Congress (FFG-63).[26]
and the beat goes on, delay, delay, delay...lowest bidder, what would you expect, now overweight, underpowered, and of course will increase in price, "up a river without a paddle."