@@mmoussa01True but one that take considerable time work as well. He has on occasion mentioned that "this is a lock I would use myself". Those words are golden.
I started as a maintenance guy recently for some apartments and we have falcon and arrow cylinders for everything. Is the rake method usually successful for both? I have a master key for all the apartments but would like to learn how to access an apartment for maintenance specific tasks to do with locks
@@wilms2328it certainly makes them more resistant to raking, but can sometimes still be raked, especially with poor biting. And with spool pins, you can often rake until you get a false set, then single pin pick whatever spool is hanging up.
if you Google "Psychological projection" you may have a better understanding of why different people see different things even when watching something objective.
“This is the Lockpicking Lawyer here and today we have been captured by a serial killer and put inside this human cage while waiting for death. Unfortunately for the serial killer, he made the mistake of using a lock with big exploitable weakness that we can take advantage of. Using this turning tool and wave rake that I can spawn on command, lets see if we can get this open before he comes back down to the basement.”
"Fluke" is one of my favourite words. Whenever LPL mentions it I think of a delivery company in my area called Fluke whose vans bear the staggering slogan: "If it gets there on time, it's a Fluke!"
I find it funny that the person spend waaaaaaay more time cutting and pasting the words on the note than the lockpickinglawyer did opening the lock twice 😸
There are web sites that will generate the "ransom note" image, and you print it on a color printer. (Search for 'ransom note generator'.) The envelope may well have been 'cut-and-tape'.
I bought a level 9/10 security master lock a few months ago for a locker and I never got around to using it. I got curious after watching some of these videos and decided to see how hard it would be to pick, I have a set of picks but I've only ever tried on the clear, single core practice locks. I am able to pick the "suposedly" 9/10 lock on the first sweep of the pins every single time. Master lock is utter garbage if their top of the line products can be picked by an absolute novice.
You must be new to LPL he always like to show how easy and silly master lock are for the price they charge they even have decades old design flaws that many other lock brands fixed but master lock does not. Even some dirt cheap brands have better lock cores then master locks.
Masterlock's security level is based on their resistance to brute force attacks (and still too generous), not their pick resistance. It should not be assumed a high level masterlock is any more resistant to picking than a low level. Their most pick resistant lock is by far the plastic LOTO lock. They would put that core in every lock if they actually cared.
@@oh_finks i can open 100 locks today with only one lock picking tool. It's called a hammer. If this is how simple it would be to open any lock everybody would do this and nobody could own anything because someone with a rake tool would steal it as it could be opened within 20 sec.
LPL, thank you for sharing the Core, and Lock differences with this lock. I work in retail and our loss prevention team deals with these locks on a daily basis, and sometimes it’s challenging to describe the differences to the unfamiliar person.
I like how in the outro the wave rake is sitting on the package, effectively covering the extension on the p for picking, essentially turning it into a D and completely changing the name of this channel. 😀
I bought his less expensive pick set, and it's really nice. I've opened probably half a dozen locks by now with it using only the rake tool. It's really easy to do and amazes everyone at just how simple it is.
A lot of low end locks are very easy to open even the expensive door locks with just a rake it gets more challenging and skill needed with the high end locks but the problem with high end locks is they are really expensive and not used much or if they are used it is easy to attack the box or thing it is locking then the lock its self. But even the low end locks can challenge you i remember BosnianBill when he was on YT he had a cheap chines lock he could not open and BosnianBill is on same LV as LPL it would be good to see if LPL would have a go at BosnianBills box of locks he had trouble with. If you want more informed vids BosnianBill YT is good but he stopped about 2 years ago LPL has a vid on why he stopped but a few of his old vids are good for learning lockpicking.
The thing is, it's still a benefit since if they can't pick it and instead have to break it, you will at least always know if someone entered whatever you are trying to protect.
Someone apparently tried to bump the Schlage deadbolt on my garage door given the tool marks on the escutcheon around the core. They were either pathetic or chickened out because they didn’t get in. The joke would have been on them because the door is on a monitored alarm circuit. There’s a monitoring company sign nearby that would have been hard to miss. Most of the time you aren’t criminal because you’re smart.
Thanks for increasing my knowledge of locks. I am not a locksporter, however I thoroughly enjoy and am subscribed for your content. Cheers from the Midwest USA.
This is assuming they care. They don't, criminals don't pick locks generally. The type of crime that someone with real skills might be involved in is the type of crime that involves much higher security than these types of locks. Locks are for honest people. No lock is a match for either a highly skilled attack, or a brute force attack. Cheap cordless power tools make most locks pointless if somebody wants to get in. These companies don't change because they aren't in the business of high security, and they know their locks work fine for their target market. Their locks sell. That's what they care about. If their market share was seriously threatened, or a new generation of petty criminals suddenly came along with enough brains to understand how to pick their locks, then maybe they would change. But the reality is nobody with the skills of LPL is out there doing petty crime.
ICS cores like that are actually some of the better cores for pick resistance. Some have 7 pins. The lock can't help it that LPL is the king of all pins.
I cannot praise the quality of these videos enough both from the perspective of education and entertainment. The very idea that a video format consisting of narration, a pair of hands and a few props would leave me looking for the one out of hundreds that I've not already seen, would've seemed totally implausible before I stumbled across this channel. Bravo Mr LPL. Your videos are a masterclass in both lock picking and short form video.
You have just answered a question I was confronted with the other day. I ‘lost’ my hangar key the other week, so the maintenance guru showed me how he changes cores quickly. I was astounded to see the whole core removed,,a new one installed in less than thirty seconds. I couldn’t help but wonder how ‘secure’ these locks really are. BTW, found my key the following day. That’s life. Keep doing what you’re doing! Very Cool!
Just wanna give a shoutout to lpl for giving me the confidence to pick my own lock when my key stopped working out of nowhere. Thank you very much and keep up the great work
Fascinating! Throughout my 45 year career as a Hydroelectric Operator, we had this type of locks on our powerhouses, switchyards, dams, etc. We used Best locks. I always thought they were pretty good. This is an eye opener.😳
Depends on the core. Its absolutely possible to buy cores that are rakeproof and pick resistant. Some of the higher security keyways won't even fit a rake easily without it snagging, and security pins will further limit its effectiveness. That said, the common ones like an A or D keyway are not those.
When I was the designated lock changer, I carried the control key with me to swap cores. At times, I needed to open something but didn't have the correct key, so I just pulled the core with a screwdriver I was in. I had to ask the corporat secretary to assign me a "grand master" key to save me time. She didn't think I should have that level of access, so I demonstrated the control key. I got the GM key.
If there was ever a person to take on an adventure with, your skills would make you the most valuable member of the group. You must have your lockpick trait maxed out.
About 2 years ago, my daughter gave me a padlock, a BEST sfic, and she challenged me to get it opened. She knows I participate in lock sport and that I have a pretty decent set of picks (that are about 30 odd years old). I accepted her challenge and I did an initial rake through to count the pins. I then took out my tension tool, top of the keyway tension and my single pin pick and tried my first attempt. About 20 SECONDS into my first attempt, I have rotation (not counter rotation) and into my hand pops the core. A 1 in 1,000,000 pick job. About 2 months later, I took it over to a locksmith and had it re-keyed completely with a new change key ($65.00 worth)
Just started learning, bought the NFG set and have picked the 4 locks i own over and over again. The "learning lock picking bundle" just arrived and i cant wait to try it out! So far love the quality!
I couldn't believe how easy it was to pick locks when I first tried it. Scared the crap out of many friends showing them how easily locks could be bypassed.
About 2 1/2 years ago, a friend of my daughter's brought me a BEST branded 6-pin SFIC padlock. She told him that I would participate in locksport. He gave it to me and said "help your self" and he wanted to know if/when I got it opened. I took out a small hook pick and top of the keyway tension and started th o single pin pick it. About 20-30 seconds later, the core turned and it popped out into my hand... $50 later, I have a working padlock that can be re-keyed..
Can you imagine being the CEO of a company that makes locks, and you're watching a LPL video featuring one of your locks and he brings out the rake. Has to be a sinking feeling.
Im a locksmith here in Oklahoma and as soon as u picked it I said to myself well theres one of the easy one that only works half the time, then u said 30 to 40% of the time lol I love IC cores and loathe them as well. You should do a video on how to drill a lock, we literally only drill locks as a last resort but sometimes u have too and im glad I was taught how.
After watching these videos for a while, I found out that the weird jiggling I have to do to get into my house is basically just taking my deadbolt in order to get into my house.
Ah yes, I would go with the 40 thousandths turner as well, good choice (I thought randomly as I gazed idiotically off into the distance not knowing anything really about the lock).
Experience can, in some cases, equate to wisdom. In this instance TLPL's wisdom showed us that the simplest method is surely worth a try, even when one doubts its effectiveness. You just may be surprised with the result.
I love how this series has slowly turned from actual curiosity about how to unlock certain locks to just trying to find one he can’t pick
The first company that manages to slap a QR code on their packaging that links to a video of LPL failing to pick it is going to make a fortune. 😂
Abloy Protec 2 has been a lock LPL hasnt been able to pick. He has actually said this somewhere. Or at least he hasnt picked it on an video yet.
I don't think he's ever managed to pick a bowley but some people have managed to
@@mmoussa01True but one that take considerable time work as well. He has on occasion mentioned that "this is a lock I would use myself". Those words are golden.
@@michaelpettersson4919when he says that, you KNOW it's reliable
Christopher: I heard this lock is hard for amateurs
LPL: Uses wave rake
Yeah that's like level 3 level 1 being a hammer and level 2 being a comb.
My thoughts exactly haha. Either he knew and wanted to show off his packaging skills... Orr.. oof.. lol
I started as a maintenance guy recently for some apartments and we have falcon and arrow cylinders for everything. Is the rake method usually successful for both? I have a master key for all the apartments but would like to learn how to access an apartment for maintenance specific tasks to do with locks
@@TristanAD_ Yeah, that's believable...
@@matthewtalbot-paine7977 What about those locks that open with a plastic bottle or the gun safe with an opening bigger than the gun? Level 0?
LPL: It has two sheer lines, it is a tricky lock.
Also LPL: Yea it can be easily raked.
* shear
He did also say the success rate is about 30-40% with a wave rake so 🤷♂️
Always enjoy how he always talks to us and never down at us. It is pretty wholesome.
He reserves that for Masterlock
He is the Mister Rogers of Lockpicking.
He also never gives up on locks he pick and never let us down.
Natural teacher
Ironically, he's talking down to each lock
10 points for the envelope and the ransom note. 🤣
The wave rske does it again. He has slayed so many locks with that. Companies cower before LPL and the rake.
If I understand correctly, any form of security pin (be it spool or serrated) will stop the rake dead in its tracks.
@@wilms2328it certainly makes them more resistant to raking, but can sometimes still be raked, especially with poor biting. And with spool pins, you can often rake until you get a false set, then single pin pick whatever spool is hanging up.
at least it wasnt a comb
He uses a rake to f**k the lock in to submission. This guy is relentless!
I admit, before watching the LPL I didn't realize how effective raking could be.
“We’re going to use this wave rake…”
In other words, “open sesame”.
Me: Two shearlines, that's sophisticated!
LPL: Wave rake.
LPL uses the pilot G2 pen, a true man of culture
he is a lawyer, afterall
pilot g2 gel pen gang rise up
G2 is old news now. The real connoisseurs have moved on to the Pilot Precise V7 RT
@@abrannan🤤
Then you see the uni-ball air micro, holy crap I touched it once and no matter how slow or fast I moved it it had the same thickness and colour
I see a serial killer wanted to test the security of the locks he uses for his human cages.
Haha 😂
if you Google "Psychological projection" you may have a better understanding of why different people see different things even when watching something objective.
It's Joe
@@Mark-kw5tg Joe who?
“This is the Lockpicking Lawyer here and today we have been captured by a serial killer and put inside this human cage while waiting for death. Unfortunately for the serial killer, he made the mistake of using a lock with big exploitable weakness that we can take advantage of. Using this turning tool and wave rake that I can spawn on command, lets see if we can get this open before he comes back down to the basement.”
"Fluke" is one of my favourite words. Whenever LPL mentions it I think of a delivery company in my area called Fluke whose vans bear the staggering slogan: "If it gets there on time, it's a Fluke!"
Do the locks on their Vans work?
That aside, what comes to mind for me is the tail of a whale
It is NEVER a fluke ! EVER !
And yet there's still that crowd that claims it's all fake and a set up and lock picking isn't actually that easy, etc, etc.
I find it funny that the person spend waaaaaaay more time cutting and pasting the words on the note than the lockpickinglawyer did opening the lock twice 😸
There are web sites that will generate the "ransom note" image, and you print it on a color printer. (Search for 'ransom note generator'.) The envelope may well have been 'cut-and-tape'.
Look at the bottom of the page: "Made with the randomizer".
@@CT7ALW actually it says made with ransomizer
@@Halinn Still, the cover art on the package seems to have been done by hand. Probably still more time gluing than openning the lock
Even with randomizer it took longer to create and print. :)
Christopher: "I heard this lock is difficult for amateurs"
Lpl: "Hold my wave rake."
I bought a level 9/10 security master lock a few months ago for a locker and I never got around to using it. I got curious after watching some of these videos and decided to see how hard it would be to pick, I have a set of picks but I've only ever tried on the clear, single core practice locks. I am able to pick the "suposedly" 9/10 lock on the first sweep of the pins every single time. Master lock is utter garbage if their top of the line products can be picked by an absolute novice.
I've managed to rake some masterlocks without even using a wave rake, just raking with a pick!
You must be new to LPL he always like to show how easy and silly master lock are for the price they charge they even have decades old design flaws that many other lock brands fixed but master lock does not. Even some dirt cheap brands have better lock cores then master locks.
As the saying goes, a master key opens any lock and a master lock is opened by any key
Masterlock's security level is based on their resistance to brute force attacks (and still too generous), not their pick resistance. It should not be assumed a high level masterlock is any more resistant to picking than a low level. Their most pick resistant lock is by far the plastic LOTO lock. They would put that core in every lock if they actually cared.
@@kstogieI guess I was expecting more than 4 standard pins...
I like the ransom style letter, very thoughtful.😂
It's always hilarious to me how seemingly easy some locks open by just repeatedly "jamming" a piece of metal into it.
They're very happy locks
Rake me baby one more time 🤣
Dont be decieved by a scripted video
@@BD90.. what are you talking about? I've opened two locks today with a couple small screwdrivers I had in my room. locks just suck in general.
@@oh_finks i can open 100 locks today with only one lock picking tool. It's called a hammer. If this is how simple it would be to open any lock everybody would do this and nobody could own anything because someone with a rake tool would steal it as it could be opened within 20 sec.
LPL, thank you for sharing the Core, and Lock differences with this lock. I work in retail and our loss prevention team deals with these locks on a daily basis, and sometimes it’s challenging to describe the differences to the unfamiliar person.
Another instant classic from LPL. I can't wait for this to reappear on my homepage in about 5 years.
I like how in the outro the wave rake is sitting on the package, effectively covering the extension on the p for picking, essentially turning it into a D and completely changing the name of this channel. 😀
I bought his less expensive pick set, and it's really nice. I've opened probably half a dozen locks by now with it using only the rake tool. It's really easy to do and amazes everyone at just how simple it is.
A lot of low end locks are very easy to open even the expensive door locks with just a rake it gets more challenging and skill needed with the high end locks but the problem with high end locks is they are really expensive and not used much or if they are used it is easy to attack the box or thing it is locking then the lock its self. But even the low end locks can challenge you i remember BosnianBill when he was on YT he had a cheap chines lock he could not open and BosnianBill is on same LV as LPL it would be good to see if LPL would have a go at BosnianBills box of locks he had trouble with.
If you want more informed vids BosnianBill YT is good but he stopped about 2 years ago LPL has a vid on why he stopped but a few of his old vids are good for learning lockpicking.
Lpl has been in the naughty bucket at Bosnian bills iv not seen one he hasn't been able to pick the videos are call the naughty bucket chronicalls
The thing is, it's still a benefit since if they can't pick it and instead have to break it, you will at least always know if someone entered whatever you are trying to protect.
Someone apparently tried to bump the Schlage deadbolt on my garage door given the tool marks on the escutcheon around the core. They were either pathetic or chickened out because they didn’t get in. The joke would have been on them because the door is on a monitored alarm circuit. There’s a monitoring company sign nearby that would have been hard to miss. Most of the time you aren’t criminal because you’re smart.
@@wtmayhew Did you not hear any one saying pin 1 is binding pin 2 binding or let me does this again to show it not a fluke.
Would be great to see this picked as well, to show the why the person sending in was having trouble... There IS the other 70% 😋
Thanks for increasing my knowledge of locks. I am not a locksporter, however I thoroughly enjoy and am subscribed for your content. Cheers from the Midwest USA.
Schlage exec watching in his office: “okay he’s going to break out the pick....”
*Sees wave rake*
“Call corporate now!!”
Falcon. Schlage just made the box the core is sitting in.
"Yippy-kai-yay Mr Falcon!"
This is assuming they care. They don't, criminals don't pick locks generally. The type of crime that someone with real skills might be involved in is the type of crime that involves much higher security than these types of locks. Locks are for honest people. No lock is a match for either a highly skilled attack, or a brute force attack. Cheap cordless power tools make most locks pointless if somebody wants to get in. These companies don't change because they aren't in the business of high security, and they know their locks work fine for their target market. Their locks sell. That's what they care about. If their market share was seriously threatened, or a new generation of petty criminals suddenly came along with enough brains to understand how to pick their locks, then maybe they would change. But the reality is nobody with the skills of LPL is out there doing petty crime.
ICS cores like that are actually some of the better cores for pick resistance. Some have 7 pins. The lock can't help it that LPL is the king of all pins.
On the red line
I love the creativity of this
Always a pleasure to watch you in action
I cannot praise the quality of these videos enough both from the perspective of education and entertainment. The very idea that a video format consisting of narration, a pair of hands and a few props would leave me looking for the one out of hundreds that I've not already seen, would've seemed totally implausible before I stumbled across this channel. Bravo Mr LPL. Your videos are a masterclass in both lock picking and short form video.
I'd love to see if LPL could pick both; one to open the lock, one to remove the core.
He has a video for that already, somewhere on his channel.
Video #56
@@Mimi-dy8gdThank you, sir!
This was great! I love the senders packaging & letter. Wonder what the employees at the USPS were thinking as they processed it. Lol
You have just answered a question I was confronted with the other day. I ‘lost’ my hangar key the other week, so the maintenance guru showed me how he changes cores quickly. I was astounded to see the whole core removed,,a new one installed in less than thirty seconds. I couldn’t help but wonder how ‘secure’ these locks really are. BTW, found my key the following day. That’s life. Keep doing what you’re doing! Very Cool!
Just wanna give a shoutout to lpl for giving me the confidence to pick my own lock when my key stopped working out of nowhere. Thank you very much and keep up the great work
The ransom note letter was a pretty nice touch! xD
Thanks! I didn't even think of using a rake on it!
Thanks for the video, always enjoy watching!
My attempt at learning this, actually came in handy today. When I needed open a lock when we had lost our key to
Thank you LockPickingLawyer
This guys vids are always a treat in my notifications.
I was wondering about these, tyvm.
This man its so relaxing
Great video and very informative.
I find it mesmerizing to see a professional doing its craft!
Enjoy watching a true pro level artist. It's work when I do it, but he makes an art of it. Coolness.
Thanks for sharing
Your video are always so spectacular, love them. And just in case your Miss didn’t tell you today.. you are amazing.
Fascinating! Throughout my 45 year career as a Hydroelectric Operator, we had this type of locks on our powerhouses, switchyards, dams, etc. We used Best locks. I always thought they were pretty good. This is an eye opener.😳
Depends on the core. Its absolutely possible to buy cores that are rakeproof and pick resistant. Some of the higher security keyways won't even fit a rake easily without it snagging, and security pins will further limit its effectiveness.
That said, the common ones like an A or D keyway are not those.
The idea of the Lockpicking Lawyer opening a lock due to a fluke it quite hilarious.
Love the note
I love the envelope and letter. Nice touch from the sender.
When I was the designated lock changer, I carried the control key with me to swap cores. At times, I needed to open something but didn't have the correct key, so I just pulled the core with a screwdriver I was in. I had to ask the corporat secretary to assign me a "grand master" key to save me time. She didn't think I should have that level of access, so I demonstrated the control key. I got the GM key.
If there was ever a person to take on an adventure with, your skills would make you the most valuable member of the group. You must have your lockpick trait maxed out.
Very nice looking lock.
Ahhh the classic rake open, easily performed here.
This mans hands and tactile sensory is a cheat code.
Thanks
Great video!
Good stuff!
Fantastic Mr. Fox-ass note. Great video as always!
About 2 years ago, my daughter gave me a padlock, a BEST sfic, and she challenged me to get it opened. She knows I participate in lock sport and that I have a pretty decent set of picks (that are about 30 odd years old). I accepted her challenge and I did an initial rake through to count the pins. I then took out my tension tool, top of the keyway tension and my single pin pick and tried my first attempt. About 20 SECONDS into my first attempt, I have rotation (not counter rotation) and into my hand pops the core. A 1 in 1,000,000 pick job. About 2 months later, I took it over to a locksmith and had it re-keyed completely with a new change key ($65.00 worth)
Your voice puts my wife to sleep in seconds, good job.
Whoever sent it in. I love the ransom note style cut out letter
Just started learning, bought the NFG set and have picked the 4 locks i own over and over again. The "learning lock picking bundle" just arrived and i cant wait to try it out! So far love the quality!
Picking one of these wasn't easy, but putting it back together was the real challenge.
Nice demonstration.
Ah, back at it with the wave rake I see. You have too much fun with that.
"This is the lockpickingLawyer, and what I have for you today..."
Today I've discovered a locks with quickly changeable cores. Thanks for the video!
So interesting!
im sure you know this but you are livin the life my guy
I couldn't believe how easy it was to pick locks when I first tried it. Scared the crap out of many friends showing them how easily locks could be bypassed.
Nice! Any chance of a demo on the other 60%-70% of this type of lock?
“A little arts and crafts rasom note”
-LPL 2023
Why do I feel more violated than usual by this particular video? 😂
Some of our locks have magnets in them. Would be interesting to see some more about inner workings of those.
I just started to use wave rakes and am amazed how easy some locks pop open. :) Respect LPL it don't have to be complicated.. :)
About 2 1/2 years ago, a friend of my daughter's brought me a BEST branded 6-pin SFIC padlock. She told him that I would participate in locksport. He gave it to me and said "help your self" and he wanted to know if/when I got it opened. I took out a small hook pick and top of the keyway tension and started th o single pin pick it. About 20-30 seconds later, the core turned and it popped out into my hand...
$50 later, I have a working padlock that can be re-keyed..
I watch every video 2 times just to make sure it wasnt a fluke
must be the coolest father ever!
I always seem to hit the core change line everytime I open a lock at work lol still gets me in tho haha 😂
Another lock defeated by the use of the trusty Wave Rake!
BEST locks as well
Christopher: I heard this lock is hard for amateurs
LPL: haha wave rake goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
"Not the wave rake, not the wave rake!"
When it comes out you know some lock is about to be violated. Twice, to make sure the first wasn't a fluke.
When that wave rake was shown, that lock was doomed.
Interesting!!
Can you imagine being the CEO of a company that makes locks, and you're watching a LPL video featuring one of your locks and he brings out the rake. Has to be a sinking feeling.
CEO of Masterlock - "living the brand values" - sinks back in his /her chair with delight
Two different hands! Trick or treat! 😂
Im a locksmith here in Oklahoma and as soon as u picked it I said to myself well theres one of the easy one that only works half the time, then u said 30 to 40% of the time lol I love IC cores and loathe them as well. You should do a video on how to drill a lock, we literally only drill locks as a last resort but sometimes u have too and im glad I was taught how.
Did not see the wave rake coming. lol
Someone: sends an interesting exotic lock
LPL: shows the exact same or at least a very similar lock from his collection
After watching these videos for a while, I found out that the weird jiggling I have to do to get into my house is basically just taking my deadbolt in order to get into my house.
"This could be difficult for an amateur "
*literally opens it with a wave rake*
WOW... you made that look like child's play.
Every deadbolt I’ve ever seen: has a Schlage core
This Schlage lock: uses another company’s
"...a substantial portion of these locks will RAKE to one or the other"
Oh boy, call the meatwagon ! He's got another one there !
That Rake looks suspiciously like my Multipick Set! 🤔
With the LPL, it's never a fluke :).
And in this corner, we have Lock "The Rake" Picking Lawyer.
Violating that poor lock with the wave rake.
Nice
Aaaaaaaaaaand he raked XD your skill is terrifying
Ah yes, I would go with the 40 thousandths turner as well, good choice (I thought randomly as I gazed idiotically off into the distance not knowing anything really about the lock).
Experience can, in some cases, equate to wisdom. In this instance TLPL's wisdom showed us that the simplest method is surely worth a try, even when one doubts its effectiveness. You just may be surprised with the result.