2023 Cadillac CT4 V Blackwing vs Toyota GR Supra vs Nissan Z, RWD Battle! Drag and Roll Race.
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- 2023 Cadillac CT4 V Blackwing vs Toyota GR Supra vs Nissan Z, RWD Battle! Drag and Roll Race.
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Sorry guys missed this one: Nissan Z CW - 3507 lbs
Dude in the Z can shift
I thought the same thing, really well done
yup i noticed it too . can barely tell when he shifted and the other dude you can see it clearly when he does .
Fr the sam guy cant drive to save his life 😂
The Z had the no lift shift so it is just moving thr stick as fast as you
The Z has a no lift shift so that saves a ton of time. Not saying he isn't good, just had an advantage, just like shifting the gates with the car off in neutral, you can be super quick and smooth
@@shaneducholke364 unless I’m mistaken the black wing also has no lift shift from the factory. I’d definitely say the driver in the Z was just good at rowing the gears
The difference in the roll race between the Z and V was a driver mod. Someone who knows how to shift vs someone who doesn’t. He said “that’s not possible. I think he jumped a little bit” . That’s called knowing how to drive 😂
Also the black wing is gm’s top of the line v. wait for the nismo Z
They should get the automatic.
Regardless it shows just how much american car's are overrated whereas most of the rest of the world either accurately rates them or underrates them. Hence why the BMW, I mean Supra, is so quick.
That’s what I’m saying, and the black wing was ahead of the z both times.
@@sinappanis damn y’all love having our nuts in y’all mouths. Overrated who even rated that high. Y’all be making stuff up as y’all go. So much hate and envy til want us to do some bs
Dude in Z rocking back and forth helped push his car for the win. 😅
head movement gives you 20 horsepower didn't u know?
@@johnnycage5513 😭😭😭
Dude in the Z was on point with every shift…Sam was just a little slower
Supra’s gearbox is just a little better than the other two👍👌
The gear box is not better, the driver is. The supra is lighter however.
The gear box is actually worse , driver mod in the Z
@@tampablackwing According to pretty much every Supra vs Z comparison on YT, it is.
Not even close..You can check that buy watching other vs. video's with decent drivers
I have the 2023 ct4-v blackwing the gearbox is amazing plus you can no lift shift I don’t think you can in the other 2… like they said it came down to the drivers is all.
I feel like whatever car Sam is in thats the car that will lose. 😆 😅
Especially if it's a manual it's painful to watch
Z won something? Say it ain't so. 🙂 I'm actually happy to see a win finally.
I had high hopes for the Z when it came out, but it loses constantly, and also doesn't get the best reviews when compared to the Supra!
@@germanengineering204all it needs is a tire mod
@Hellcat818 the tires kill it, otherwise still a great car. Without the sports package the open diff sucks too
@@shad3128so.. it's shite? With the sport package the price becomes the same as the supra.. where the supra is the faster better driving car.. ESPECIALLY on the track lol. Way better engine in the supra too
@@MLProductions.1no it doesn't.. the supra is just better which renders the Z pointless
I'll take the cadillac, thank you!
Supra is gonna win, calling it now
it did, but i would take the ct4 blackwing, better car overall
@chrism869 Better car to be in the shop constantly lol
had mine for 35k miles, never seen any shops
@2012WrxSti 35,000 miles that's barely broken in usually problems start at 70-80k miles.
@2012WrxSti Bet you the first thing to go will be the Tranny. Don't we wish all of them will go.
Thanks for the video, I have an electric blue CT4 V BW everyone is surprised it's a 6 speed manual and I love it I can drive with my family and it has a good size trunk it's a great mix of luxery and performance.
Good choice!
The Supra and the Z are sexy vehicles. Just wish they could be made with a targa top.
Targa top makes it ugly and adds mega weight
@@roboticvenom1935 targas are not ugly at all what targas you know are ugly? the only one i think of that is modern is the Lambo Murci with its toupee looking top
That shit is ugly nah
The more I see the Supra in action, the more I like it.
I just can’t get over it’s use of ovals on the front - They should have done some more sharp angles instead.. wonder if any aftermarket front bumpers are out there?
They perform well but the interior sucks
@@behindthebuild8016How so?
Design, quality, space plus u can’t see out your door windows you just see head liner
@behindthebuild8016 Be specific. Also, the height of the window has nothing to do with "the interior," and it would dramatically change the look.
Every time I see a MkV Supra race, I love it even more. Those things are absurdly quick.
They're fantastic on the circuit, the supra rules. I like all 3 Cars for sure. The caddy is such a good sedan.
They are definitely nice BMWs for sure.
@@SchafdoggGTO How original. I definitely haven't heard that one before.
@@scottyd0530 toyota builds garbage and they had to pay someone else to make a decent car, still way too slow for a flagship sports car, you gotta face the thruth
@@retrocompaq5212 Here's your truth. Do your research before you blatantly make an ass of yourself on the internet. If you hate the car, that's fine. No one is gonna care, but you're allowed your opinion. Face the truth.
I can’t believe you brought the CT4 BW for another race! I love these videos. Keep em coming 🎉
Too bad he makes the car look bad every time he drives it
@@biggygamingit is bad 😅😅#Garbage car 🚘
@@Boogieman_1989Garbage Best car in the video actually.
Good stuff Sam, you know we love manual days.
I don't think the z jumped the first roll and he possibly hesitated a bit on the second to be sure, all 3 cars getting it right look a good match up, love a quick sedan.
Sam great manual shootout .Man that Supra is quick with that B58
Sure is
getting 3.9 with the manual is crazy fast! even the Z with its auto isnt gonna get much better than the low 4's
Supra was just waking up at 90mph
Always gotta love how he gets gapped in a short roll race "not far" "not by much" 😂🤦♂️ make that race a half mile and see the gap
That dude is something irritating. He said “both the Z and Supra have a weight advantage I’m heavier” but fails to note the 100hp advantage 😂
@@SlateBlue_VQ😅😅😅
@@SlateBlue_VQcheck the dynos. They're only about 35ish whp difference, oh then make both cars autos ....
Would be so hard to pick between the Supra and Blackwing...they are both so amazing. Blackwing is a total rarity in this world as a manual sports sedan, whereas the Supra looks so sexy. I want both.
I would have a Z and a Blackwing
@@SamCarLegion Interesting. I find some reviewers prefer the Supra because it's faster and agile but some like the Z because it feels more analogue
@@motormusique i find the zupra too claustrophobic and I can buy an M2 used for the same money with +2 seats
@motormusique the supra is pretty ugly compared to both other cars. Also for the money the m2 is better looking and the performance is right there.
unless you live on a racetrack i agree with Sam, you can't see a thing out of the stupid supra and having 4 doors is so much more practical. I've been in all 3 cars and own the ct4 for the same reasons. My next choice would've been the Z for the cool retro look and analog feel.
Not that it would have drastically changed the outcomes, but the no lift shift makes a distinct sound when activated. If you let off the gas just a little it won't work. The Topher does a review, check out the 15:30ish mark of his video to see what I mean
Also, from a 30 roll the caddy should be in 1st gear. It can get to 50 in first, supra and Z second is best, top out under 40 in first.
The CT4 V Blackwing quarter mile as tested by car and driver was 12.6s at 114 MPH, the Nissan Z as tested by C&D was 12.9s and motor trend also got 12.9s at 108 MPH..
The CT4 V Blackwing is faster as tested by any of the magazines and any journalist. They'll also tell you it pulls harder..
Don't let idiots fool you. The amount of people that believe the Nissan Z is faster then the Blackwing(when it's OBJECTIVELY slower, slower on a race course too btw LOL) is just pathetic. Goes to show how gullible the average person is.
@@roboticvenom1935 yeah to me it just highlights that all 3 of these are pretty close and it becomes a driver's race. So start in the suboptimal gear from a roll in the BW and even the Z will take you
@@roboticvenom1935You mean 12.8 at 112 for the manual and 12.3 at 116 for auto, right?
@@roboticvenom1935 Finally someone with a brain in this comment section
@@DizzyMan24 car and driver tested 2023 Z at 12.7 for automatic
Blackwing is faster than both cars in every aspect, goes to show how much a driver mod is needed..
For real
U sir are 1000% right . I raced a Supra last night in my 4bw and even tho i beat him it was only about a cars length. I also have a JB4 tuner in mine
yet sam calls his fans stupid for suggesting such
I have a Blackwing and they’re faster if you shift around 6,100 RPM instead of taking them up to redline. The car tells you the optimal point to shift with a little green, yellow, red animation in the tachometer if you pay attention to it. I suspect the host of these videos doesn’t know that and that’s why his car always underperforms.
The CT4 V Blackwing quarter mile as tested by car and driver was 12.6s at 114 MPH, the Nissan Z as tested by C&D was 12.9s and motor trend also got 12.9s at 108 MPH..
The CT4 V Blackwing is faster as tested by any of the magazines and any journalist. They'll also tell you it pulls harder..
Don't let idiots fool you. The amount of people that believe the Nissan Z is faster then the Blackwing(when it's OBJECTIVELY slower, slower on a race course too btw LOL) is just pathetic. Goes to show how gullible the average person is.
Agreed😭the Z sucks and the blackwing is better in every way then any of these handling wise the Supra might be decent just because of how light it is but engine in the blackwing has a lot more character I got to drive one and it was a lot of fun guy in blackwing does not know how to shift either and you can see it in the video in between them other people in dif cars know how to
@@roboticvenom1935 you really need to stop copy and pasting your comment. I've seen it at least 4 times already
@@vectorcruzusaeither way he’s still right
Yeah, it makes peak power at 5,750rpm no need to take it all the way up to 6,500rpm.
6.1k looks like the sweet spot
B58 again for the win in my book. Hands down. MKV all day for me.
No argument here
Thanks again Sam for the great content. Cheers from Indiana.
My pleasure!
So dam entertaining. 5:30am on a Sunday morning.i got one eye open watching drag races.
Still taking BW. These days I'm built a little more for comfort than speed.
Right on!
After this and the M3 video, I'm convinced the BW is getting the short end of the stick, and I'll openly say I don't drive manual but I know enough and have read enough between these 2 videos to conclude that the bw driver doesn't get all of that tranny, which makes me question if no lift shift was used or not, seems like a lot of power cuts out in between shifts, after constant feedback, why not switch drivers??? I can totally see the B58 beating the bw in a quarter mile run, but there's no way you can convince me that the Z is faster then the BW from a dig, regardless I'd put big money on the bw in a top end race with out a question, top end and around track is where the BW shines
B58 will say bye bye 😅😅😅
S U P R A FTW!
Supra proving everyday that it’s the best affordable sport car out there.
70k is a bit of a stretch for affordability but I get your point
@@SamCarLegion Let's be real we are way poorer than Americans. Supra is a normal car to them.
@@cosmic_gate476no it isn’t I’m American and 70k is too much for me I just don’t see the worth.
@@cosmic_gate476let's also be honest, if you're paying 70k usd for a Supra, you're a god damn dumbass (not you but in general). Used low miled supras go for 50k-60k....
@@cosmic_gate476I'm an American and I'm being real, all these sports car are too expensive nowadays. Also I don't know how it is in canada, but the markups are real brutal down here. Hello from America!
Manual cars make the driver way more important in the outcome of races. So the outcome could be closer than expected, but on paper the Supra should win pretty easily 🤔
manual transmissions also make said cars slower than theyd be if equipped with an auto trans like the ZF8. the biggest gripe people had with the traditional sludhboxes was that it delivered a super delayed response to driver input and could never find the right gear quickly enough. that isnt the case anymore
@hau5muzeek Facts, but these purest keep the " so much more fun to drive " nonsense up. When just about every exotic car over 200K doesn't even have a manual option besides the GT3.
@@racer247 hahahahaha, true as fuck. i just don’t understand why people cant just spec it with what kind of trans theyd prefer (pros/cons to both) and move past it, its like some shitty vibe that they refuse to let die, personally i like to have FUN when im out there and couldnt give a rats ass about a fews clowns and their petty dick measuring contests
That’s because it is more fun. What the hell are you on about? 😒
@@racer247incorrect , most super cars and hyper cars have a manual transmission but it’s no longer a lazy stick and clutch . Now they have instant gear changes with paddles. You can still do all of the things the “save the manuals” guys scream about but now you can keep both hands on the wheel and no lift shift .
Great video 🤙🤙
If all 3 are stock and all 3 are manual then the Supra should win. If any one of them are automatic and the others are manual then the automatic should win. Should be a really interesting race no matter what.
Not on paper no, but Toyota and BMW are lying about the amount of power the supra makes to the crank. It makes that to the wheels
Nice video keep up the good work SAM
Thanks!
It sounds like the Supra driver was shifting too soon, didn’t sound close to redline in each gear. What are your requirements for these races in terms of how high to rev? Is it up to each driver?
Yea I noticed that to , they need a camera pointed at the gauges in the races
Exactly, premature shifting all way thru
Supra is a Beauty of a car that’s for damn sure!
The Supra makes more hp than what is listed
Typical BMW
I would love to be able to grab that same colored GR Supra with the stick shift but black interior. Man it looks great
Why would you want a black interior.. that gets more hot.. more claustrophobic feeling and FAR more boring and cheaper looking.
Absolutely mindless, you get tired of it too. A red or nice brown interior? Nope
Need to see that caddy with a driver that knows how to drive. How does the car have flatfoot shifting and you’re not using it….That Z driver has crazy driver mod
everything seems to be not bad with the caddy - moderate weight, sufficient working volume, solid declared power and torque. But he doesn’t go, dog, he doesn’t go, even if you crack!
Did he leave the Cadillac in rain mode?
Sam curious on your opinion but who would win in a Drag and Roll a 2023 Stock GLI or a 2023 Stock 330i?
Great drag race as always, a rolling race between the Toyota GR supra and the Nissan Z would have added more flavour.
I haven’t seen yet the race and already know who will 🏆
B58!
Greetings from Argentina we love your channel ✌️🇦🇷
I think the CT4 did ok considering its hundreds of pounds heavier then both cars but I think between the supra being underrated by at least 40hp and those cars being 2 door cs the caddy a 4door it was just a lil too much for it. A better matchup would be the Stinger GT vs CT4v vs Dodge charger 392
All said cars are auto against the ct4. Manual vs manual
It's the same weight and same power as a base M3 , and I have a feeling it would get gapped by the M3
@@VaunShizit would absolutely get gapped by an M3, badly
The CT4 V Blackwing quarter mile as tested by car and driver was 12.6s at 114 MPH, the Nissan Z as tested by C&D was 12.9s and motor trend also got 12.9s at 108 MPH..
The CT4 V Blackwing is faster as tested by any of the magazines and any journalist. They'll also tell you it pulls harder..
Don't let idiots fool you. The amount of people that believe the Nissan Z is faster then the Blackwing(when it's OBJECTIVELY slower, slower on a race course too btw LOL) is just pathetic. Goes to show how gullible the average person is.
@@drivescene6747M3 does cost more and has inferior driving dynamics.
Can you get a audi S6 up here? Would like to how is speed and power matches up against other cars
B58 of the Supra BMW M340i should easily get a W
Huhhh ? Not even the same B58 lol
@@jaimatic23yes it is
@@carguy... the b58 in the supra is not in any other bmw vehicle, the B58B30C & B58B3001 are r&d & tuned motors and transmission by gazoo racing team
@@jaimatic23 it is almost exactly the same??? Same power and tq......I should know!!
You should be using the no lift shifting feature in the Cadillac.
Insane cars !! ❤❤
Supra the king
They better not say anything about the tires on the z . I’m sick of hearing how bad the tires are
A-facking-men!!
Very good race tank you🎉 but must try to better change shift with cadi ,lose many power beetween change gear .❤❤
Shout out to my boy with the 400z representing Guyana 🇬🇾 i see the glove by the rear mirror
M340i is a much better comparison to the BW Caddy IMO
Yes auto m340i xdrive vs bw ct4 manual. Do you guys pull these ideas from your posterior? 😂
Sam has to learn to flat foot shift. That’s the reason the Z pulled so hard between shifts. But yeah good races
Dude in the Z was giving the Blackwing like half a car length before each roll race.
those were defiantly driver diff. races I'm afraid. No offense to sam.... but the guy cant drive 😅
The CT4 V Blackwing quarter mile as tested by car and driver was 12.6s at 114 MPH, the Nissan Z as tested by C&D was 12.9s and motor trend also got 12.9s at 108 MPH..
Very close with the Z on the second roll race because you started out half a car length ahead of him.
Great races! Cant front on that.
Slower shifting was the 4BW problem.
nice runs.... ct4v vs charger 392 would be a good one!
Now folks again that's a Supra watch and learn nuff said Cape Town South Africa 🌍♥️
The Supra's shifting seems in my opinion to be just a small bit quicker than the Cadillacs. Im not saying it was the driver, but watching the drag races, the cadallic would lose incrimental amounts of distance on the Supra during the shifting, and only while shifting. I would enjoy seeing these vehicles drag race again, but next time with different transmissions. I think that is only fair to compare on that level as well because of how close the vehicles are in both horse power, as well as weight. Yes the Supra does have the advantage in curb weight, but I dont think that a few hundred pounds would decide the winner of the drag races. I enjoyed this video none the less, and look forward to seeing more videos like this.
Supra: "400 what? 472 who? How cute both of you guys."
🌽
Two car icons and a malibu 😮
The CT4 V Blackwing quarter mile as tested by car and driver was 12.6s at 114 MPH, the Nissan Z as tested by C&D was 12.9s and motor trend also got 12.9s at 108 MPH..
The CT4 V Blackwing is faster as tested by any of the magazines and any journalist. They'll also tell you it pulls harder..
Don't let idiots fool you. The amount of people that believe the Nissan Z is faster then the Blackwing(when it's OBJECTIVELY slower, slower on a race course too btw LOL) is just pathetic. Goes to show how gullible the average person is.
Great race
Great vid, I think thats the first race Ive ever seen the Z win.
These cars are sick all of them ill drive anyone ofthese badass rides ❤💯💪👍
Great to see these cars race caddy for the win
It would also be real interesting to see the same cars but with the automatic transmissions, seems like that would level the playing field as you'll leave it to the cars to do the talking instead of the drivers
All ❤.your videos!!!!!
I love these introductions
Huh. Interesting. After seeing the results I initially thought that GM must be overrating their HP numbers - but I looked up some dyno sheets on the CT4-V Blackwing and it's pretty consistently putting out more than 400whp.
I suppose it's just not able to really put all its power to the ground, thus getting beat by other cars that put out less power...?
Thanks for the race!!
It weighs a good amount more though
@@nvrdwn3140 That's a good point.
yes at least 300 lbs more than the other two.. but i own the ct4 BW and love it it's the best car out of the bunch to live with day to day and good visibility unlike the supra which you can barely see out of.
Besides weight, at least with the supra, it's been known to have more power than rated for both 2 port 2020 models and even more for the 6 port models on dynos. About 380s whp for 2020 and 400whp for the 6 ports
@GeronimoBiggles dang bro nonway the supra got poor visibility? Ur killing me man lol. I always love 4 door sports cars, I love the sleeper vibe and practicality of them. My top 3 were always the CTS-V, Chevy ss, and Lexus ISF. Never wanted coupes but only 3 coupes really call my name Imani that's the corvette C7 ZR1, Chevy camaro ZL1, and the supra. I hate coupes other than those. Supra out of them all really is my #1 for money to performance and looks. I wish they make a 4 door version in a lexus suit because I gave up on the isf coming back but also the older isf are insanely pricey
The caddy is more practical having rear seats nd it has great power impressive 👏
Hi Sam I don't know if you'll ever see this comment but if you do can you do the Elantra n vs the trd ?
As much as I want to like the CT4 V, American Muscle in general is just slower than it should be based on HP/Torque. Same for Mustang.
No, other brands just under rate their cars
The Z. Muffler sounds like my WEED EATER 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Blackwing stock GM calibration has babysitting. Check Tapout tuning, once the tune is straightened up these things are way quicker..
I'm a Euro guy all day but if I had this kind of money I would seriously buy the Caddy over a BMW, Audio or Benz just because.
That blackwing is a legend lol, it made in onto sam page and throttle house
The Supra is such a good car
The Supra all day every day... Each Time the guy let up at the end. He was no where near the redline
USA : 472 HP you get 378 HP
Japan : 400 HP you get 440HP
Germany 389 you get 449
Japan you get what they say, mostly, but the germans say what you get for wheel hp.
@@bobstarrfor Japan you don’t get what they say it’s a bit understated. The Nissan z has 400hp but in reality it has 372whp which equates to 437bhp
Not even remotely true. Even the automatic CT4-V BW are hitting 420s at the wheel on a dyno. It looks like this needs a proper driver mod to really ring it out considering C&D hit 0-60 in 4 flat in their manual ct4-v BW review
@@frankcastle1578Koreans: u get 365hp u get 450hp
I definitely want to see more of the cadillac.. that cuts off power.. am i wrong?
With less horsepower but racehorses the Supra beat the others that what they had were Ponny not always higher HP and Pounds of torque influence a car, this supra power weight and ratios have shown a good car,
This is going to be interesting IF all are manual. Going to be close between CT4 & Supra.
Z turned out to be faster than the blackwing even with those trash bridgestone tires lol
I honestly want to see the Z vs Supra on the same tires
@@mm8436the Supra gaps the Z almost every time
@@mm8436 Watch Savagegeese video he did a comparison with same tires. Supra still wins due to lower weight, better suspension and a bit more torque. Not by a huge amount but a clear win forsure.
@@AlienCreatureThing You can tell who's a teenager when they use the word "gap" unironically 😆
Something happened with the z vs the caddy drag race, near the beginning the caddy all of the sudden jumps more than a car length ahead, I'm suprised they didn't redo that race
The CT4 V Blackwing quarter mile as tested by car and driver was 12.6s at 114 MPH, the Nissan Z as tested by C&D was 12.9s and motor trend also got 12.9s at 108 MPH..
The CT4 V Blackwing is faster as tested by any of the magazines and any journalist. They'll also tell you it pulls harder..
Don't let idiots fool you. The amount of people that believe the Nissan Z is faster then the Blackwing(when it's OBJECTIVELY slower, slower on a race course too btw LOL) is just pathetic. Goes to show how gullible the average person is.
@@roboticvenom1935 Sorry but not a fair comparison especially to a sports car vs a sedan
Sam. Announce verbally announce the roll start br 👍🏼
Thought the BW had no lift shift on all 6 speeds?
I had a new Z with the 6mt and now have a CT4 BW with the 6mt. the Z is 'easier' to drive fast so the results are not surprising to me. with the BW, you really have to understand the gearing (long, tall gears) and the powerband (if you take it to redline, you're losing power, need to shift around 6k). you can also take advantage of no lift shift to not lose power between shifts. someone brand new to the car is not going to be able to extract it all on the first go like this, you need a little seat time before you understand the car.
tall gears are good for everyday use tho, going over 2k rpm in 6th gear at 60mph is completely stupid and annoying
Every major publication that has tested these cars have concluded the same: The Cadillac CT4V B/W is faster - 1/4 mile. Something is off with these runs … V mode & no-lift shifting makes a difference; would have altered the outcome w/ Cadillac taking the W.
CT4 Black Wing needs a driver mod. Slow shifts and not shifting at consistent shift points.
Let me guess the Blackwing is gonna be 2nd or possibly be a close 2nd, and the supra is gonna be 1st. The Z however based on reviews and the speed of the car it's possibly gonna be placed in 3rd.
Z is faster than the blackwing
@@VaunShizThe CT4 V Blackwing quarter mile as tested by car and driver was 12.6s at 114 MPH, the Nissan Z as tested by C&D was 12.9s and motor trend also got 12.9s at 108 MPH..
The CT4 V Blackwing is faster as tested by any of the magazines and any journalist. They'll also tell you it pulls harder..
Don't let idiots fool you. The amount of people that believe the Nissan Z is faster then the Blackwing(when it's OBJECTIVELY slower, slower on a race course too btw LOL) is just pathetic. Goes to show how gullible the average person is.
The Z is not faster then the Blackwing. And that's a fact. It's close though
Great vid - on the roll, the Z killed it - impressive - go Z.
Sam taking couple seconds on each shift .. 😂 🤣
We already know who's going to win....
Who?
@@SamCarLegion Supra
You better watch then
That Blackwing is badass.
American muscle is always good at numbers but not real world accelerating 🤣
Sam pls get a better camera crew PLS like you don’t understand. How much your content will be better WE NEED DRONE AND BETTER OUTSIDE footage. Man you have great races always but do us your fans right Pls
Aerodynamics came into play.
But in all, a very fair race.