MYWHOOSH is it the future of CYCLING Esports?
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:24 - My Experience and Background
02:27 - What is MyWhoosh and compare to Zwift
05:26 - Home Screen and getting started
07:00 - Training on MyWhoosh
08:28 - Racing on MyWhoosh
12:00 - The Things I like
13:12 - Things that need work on MyWhoosh
14:30 - In Summary
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Great informative video Si, I didn’t know anything about Mywhoosh but now I do 😊
I might go and take a look
Thanks Byron, it’s well worth a look
Fantastic review Si. Love your effort in putting out great videos. I know it takes a lot of time to put these together.
Thanks @gregfox785 really appreciate your comments. 🙏👍
I’m trying Sunday race club for the first time this weekend!
Thanks Si, you've given me the impetus to try again to get it running, fight my way through the teething issues, really looking forward to giving it a go and who knows, maybe save on a Zwift subscription.
Well worth trying again. I know the onboarding and accessibility is progressing .
Updates downloading 💪
Thanks Si for a really interesting video. As you say, it’s a chicken and egg situation in terms of building the community. Having tried and struggled to juggle racing for different teams across different platforms in the past, I prefer to keep my eggs 😉 all in one basket. Assuming that MyWhoosh begins charging for access, can I see myself moving across from Zwift? No chance - the abundance of competitive racing on Zwift is the defining factor for me.
Totally fair comment and view @miles1467 and I think I may make a similar choice if the situation was the same but two monthly memberships involved 🍻👍
Tried it this weekend (SRC) and its pretty decent, incredible for £0! But not without issues. Seems from other comments its cool to hate Zwift a bit now, but switching between 2 (as a racer only, I rarely do free rides or workouts tbh) shows me the pack dynamics issue is a tough nut to crack. On MyWhoosh it felt like we were all attached with actual elastic bands, you drop slightly behind someone but if your power is even close to theirs you fully spring from behind to in front and then the 2 of you play an odd game back and forth without wanting to. 'luckily' I was dropped after a few KM as put into Cat 2 so that stopped being an annoyance once solo ha. The steering I also couldn't get to work pre race - I could steer to the very edge with 1 tap of arrow in either direction, but not back to the middle or only a little to one side - so didn't use in race. Will come back for more, but if anything it's made me more understanding of why it feels like Zwift can't quite get pack dynamics right - its more difficult than maybe we give them credit for most of the time
💯 agree the dynamics are clearly a tough one and not great at this stage. I am aware there was a steering issue this weekend, for Kenny avatar stayed left and it was really hard to get into the draft. Same for me though, got dropped rode solo :-)
Once it's released on Apple TV i'll give it a shot and many others i know.
I tried it on my iPhone 14 Plus - Screen mirroring to ATV - it worked excellent!
I think the Apple TV release is almost here . That’s a big piece of the puzzle for sure and will make it much more accessible
Thanks for the summary. I just tried mywoosh on my iphone, had a 1,5h freeride training and then the app crashed and i lost my activity. Also it takes control over my bluetooth headphones and sets them on hearthrough. No way to deactivate it. Not a nice start, but I hope it will improve and that the macOs version will be released soon. Looking at that rediculous prize money and already talking to some local club members to form a team maybe soon.
MyWoosh is Sportswashing
Like many soccer clubs😅
indeed. For those who do not know what it is, this is the definition: Sportswashing is a term used to describe the practice of nations, individuals, groups, corporations, or governments using sports to improve reputations tarnished by wrongdoing.
So I think you shouldn't be reviewing (or using it). It is not "free", it is financed with a goal: to influence your thinking and make you feel better towards the government that finances it,
This is a very difficult and complicated topic and let’s not forget that with out the investment from many international government linked brands, teams, sports people our sport would be a very different place. Look at how many riders and teams in cycling are supported by Middle Eastern countries and China on that matter, do we take the same view on those riders and teams and refuse to support …. I don’t have the answer but I think the statement is to broad .
Si, about the dual recording. Is one considered THE one and the other as control, or are they using both during racing to calculate speed, … ?
Integrating simply both there is definitely a plus to Zwift if at least some feedback is present.
@filipfeyaerts3733 the turbo trainer is always the main power source and controller as you say. The secondary device is just there to validate the numbers post race.
Love that mywhoosh is adding more competition in the indoor cycling market. I've raced both platforms and yeah, the mywhoosh pack dynamics feels very primitive whereas Zwift has had years longer to develop their pack dynamics and it feels very smooth, polished and advanced. I hope Mywhoosh improves a lot in this area in the coming years.
Totally agree the dynamics need work but let’s not forget that Zwift took many years to get to where it is now as you say. I think MyWhoosh have the foundation for a great racing platform.
indievelo is the future of serious eSports cycling. It is being designed by a couple of Zwift hands and a dissatisfied community.
I know the platform well and we had Dr George on our podcast a few months back.
does it have something like magic roads?
That's what I'm using right now but considering to give Mywhoosh a try since the graphics look more appealing. Indievelo is great but just want to try different platforms.
It will be interesting to see if Jason Osborne shows up to the WC. He's in a team sponsored by Zwift.
I am sure he will be. He racing in MyWhoosh most Sundays.
Are the harware specs not a bit mental for MyWoosh?
Minimum GPU of Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti
Yes agreed they are very high currently and something I think MyWhoosh need to look at. I have a good gaming PC and the FPS not ideal.
lol, are you serious? It looks so clunky what are they using the GPU for? mining crypto? 😂
Yes the game needs optimization, but on the other hand a 1080 is an older GPU. It’s four generations old.
@@ketle369 1080ti equals a 3060 in performance.
It runs fine and is fully playable on my MacBook Pro from 2015 with Radeon 2GB (about 1/4 of the performance of a GTX 1080), although with almost minimal graphics settings and looks horrendous. Zwift looks much better on the same laptop
I try to use it but I can't even connect my wahoo cadence sensor or heartrate monitor to it so it's not worth my time.
Seems very strange .
Please explain the categories and how it works,new cyclists
The categories are dynamic but I don’t know how they look at that as you see various “zwift A(+)” riders riding in category B and even C on My Whoosh …
So for all B-, C and D riders My Whoosh will be a huge disappointment I guess …
It’s difficult to give a full picture in the categories but will dig deeper and see if I can add that to a follow up video
Informative, balanced, and interesting video, Si. While I have trouble making the political connection or separating the issue from fans of riders like Tadej or other Western companies with Middle Eastern support, I do see the strong belief of many commenters. I want to explore the ‘Sportswashing’ issue, the human rights policies in modern-day UAE, and how they relate to the virtual cycling world. A few of you are obviously strong opponents. Can you tell me how you developed these beliefs? Have you been to UAE, know someone who lives there, or can you point me to research or resources supporting your opinion? I’ve done a significant amount of research and find it challenging to point to anything specific in their modern-day culture.
In 99% nobody answers as it's unproductive. Black PR doesn't need proofs, you just need to repeat your statement as much as possible until it start looking as beliefs of the majority .
You can go to Human Rights Watch and navigate by country. They have a one-paragraph summary where they explain how what you call "modern-day culture" is all appearances while they keep carrying out their strong policies against dissidents, political opponents and free thinkers, with particularly appaling treatment of women and migrant workers. You can read more details in their World Report 2024, and in the many links to news about individual cases.
its the future , just like Indievlo, but it stop compatibility with older versions of Adroid when all other ones, like zwift, keeps running
Does the Elite Rizer work with it?
Good question, I am not 100% it does at the moment but I think this will be an area for development soon
In the EU and I assume also the US a government backed company is not allowed to compete with a public company due to competition laws. Good for competition? When Zwift is dead, I'm not sure you will think the same way.
Interesting view for sure, do people take the same view with products made in china where the government may or may not be linked! Food for thought
@@SiBradeley yes, many ppl and governments view that issue in the same way. Some do not. Often the ones that makes a profit/gains from it, such as Ronaldo, or big corporations that makes huge money from it
I left the Mario Cart on bikes platform for MyWhoosh in September and am unlikely to go back. I like that MyWhoosh appears to be catering to the serious/semi-serious club rider more so than that other platform, i.e. no power-ups, dinosaurs, halloween costumes, etc, etc.
I’m super interested to see what additional gamification MyWhoosh bring this year though. I hope steering get some additional work.
Could you be very clear about your attachments to the platform so one knows if you have any conflict of interest when making the review.
Absolutely I have no commercial attachment to MyWhoosh or anyone associated with their organisation. However I do ride on the platform, and I race on the platform and have won money in the Sunday Race club, same as any rider can.
@@SiBradeley Thanks for a straight forward, no bullshit and precise answer 💪
One thing that would be huge is voice chat. In the golden days of SOCOM fps this was a great feature.
Voice chat is there. 🤙
Loved Socom on ps2!
discord
14k views. Maybe you could talk a little bit more about MyWhhosh!
Idk what is the future of e-cycling but it is definitely not zwift. No way with those shitty cartoonish graphics that makes snowy mountains look like vanilla icecream balls. After I tried Rouvy first time on Col Du Telegraphe I was shocked because during the ride I really felt like riding outdoors. I realized that zwift is far away from being realistic both in terms of course profiles and graphics and after few more rides on Rouvy I also realized that I was not able to focus on my ride anymore on zwift beacuse of unrealistic and dull feel of the game then I immediately cancelled my 2 years old zwift subscription... So until there is a more realistic alternative than Rouvy I will continue with the Rouvy not with Zwift clones. Btw Mywhoosh seems more natural in terms of graphics so good job MyWhoosh hope you'll do great things.
Interesting and thank you for your comment @the_real_cansin I am actually just re downloading Rouvy and hoping to get some rides in for a Rouvy review coming soon.
@@SiBradeley I recommend using the camera mode ‘Me’ so you will be ride without visible avatar. I also usually hide the other riders :)) because the virtual graphics in the video not so good. I prefer seeing only the nature :) Thanks.
This won't completley download OR run on a standard desktop pc or laptop with W11 OS and an i7 processor. The specs required are too expensive to upgrade to for a standard desktop pc or laptop. Give it a big miss until MyWhoosh modify the app with decent standard software specs. For the record MyWhoosh is the ONLY indoor cycling app that I cannot download and run on either my desktop pc or laptop.
I cant see myself change to MyWhoosh - I dont support sport-washing. Funny that you did not cover that aspect - but yes - seems like a great training app.
I do understand your view and we did discuss sport washing already in the podcast we did.
@@SiBradeley: Still you review it and bring it to the attention of people, thus helping promote it. To be honest, I do not think you fully understand what sportswashing is, how it works, and why it is important not to faclitate it. But hey, it is CZcams, everything for the views.
@@eagerbobdid you make a video about it?
Let’s exercise caution about casually labeling everything that originates or is associated with the Middle East as ‘sports washing’. Not to say it doesn’t happen - it’s been a part of cycling and sports sponsorship for many decades - from all parts of the world. However, casual use of the term also reinforces even older cultural stereotypes and biases.
@@rivingtonandstantondon’t think it’s casually labeling; the movement is obvious in cycling and soccer/football. Middle eastern countries don’t have a cycling history. Why would they have the countries name spelled all over the jersey? Uae, emirates, israel etc. It’s not even one, there are several. Why are they ‘buying’ soccer championships and famous soccer players? The whole sport washing backfired last soccer world championship. What about female (soccer) players? Can they go to saudi arabia without problems? Or does there always need to be a ‘guide’ and covering of their bodies etc. Uci, Fia and fifa aren’t trustworthy, are they? There’s too much money involved.
Back on subject: how and why did mywhoosh get the uci-label? Are you giving your personal data to the people / government behind mywhoosh? Weight, health, internet behaviour etc. Would you do the same if it was a russian app or north korean (or even the usa)? If it’s free it usually means…. Right.
I think it’s a good think to be sceptical and keep asking questions. I don’t think it’s a good thing governments ‘own’ sportteams. Sports and politics (and religion) should be seperate.
This sounds like a paid infomercial and it’s very odd that UCI gave these guys the eWorlds when the platform right now is crap. I’ve used it a bit and all the people I know who race Sunday nights all they talk about is chance of money but they admit it’s crap to ride with horrible slingshot draft dynamics (~3secs trainer delay). Then there is the issue of no humans on the platform apart from the Sunday nights when people are being paid prize money. All the races on Sunday are 45km and have massive hills so they don’t even cater for different rider types either. And why do they make you do a 1hr Power Passport test that you also need to video every 3mths..it’s ridiculous. Then there is the whole money sports washing debate …..and yeah it just feels a bit off to me.
@occyman I can assure you no money changed hands to out the video together. Your right the draft dynamics certainly need work and yes you need to manage when you apply the power to get timings correct. I actually totally support the power passport test and regular testing. As always appreciate your input and views.
@@SiBradeley testing every three months is stupid and it’s all bots apart from Sunday nights - people are only using it one night a week due to money.
@@occyman 100% agree it is very empty sometimes.
The company behind the platform is based in the UAE. Pretty obvious UCI got a bag of money to make it the eWorlds platform.
Sorry but this must end up in a moral debate.
It is politics in this and our moral needs to be better than the UCI.
I know very well that UCI is here to broaden the cycling in the world. But it must not be to the expense of other plattform with better human and gender values.
You, Si, say that you hope that some of the platform features will be better in the future and that you have monitized on the platform, when I hoped that you would take the stand and hoped for better ethics.
The crazy part about this "monetization" is it's all smoke and mirrors. The money being paid out to top racers is not based on profitability. It's just a bribe used to attract top riders. The money will eventually go away because no one really watches eracing enough to bring in advertisers. It's all a big scam.
I understand your view totally Mattias and recently done a lot of reading and listening when it comes to UAE and what they appear to be doing.
Cycling esports is a joke. There are no real set protocols that ensures all of the competitors are honest or the equipment follow strict standards.
Also mywhoosh is a pc resource hog.
The internet is primarily about creating monopolies. Zwift has a monopoly on virtual cycling and there is nothing this Gulf money app has that I care to try. The problem is even with this monopoly zwift still isn't profitable, so yes, there is a cost to having scab companies like mywoosh.
Let's be honest, most people who pay for virtual cycling are not racers. Mywoosh catering to "racers" seems like something a smooth-brained gulf dictator would come up with to burn millions of dollars.
Assuming mywoosh paid handsomely for this. Get that money 😂
Hey @freerider93 I can confirm that no money changed hands to make this video. Appreciate your input and insight. Totally agree that at the moment the majority of virtual riders are not racers. It’s a niche within a niche .
Wow man, tell us how you really feel, 👎👎
@@SiBradeleyI'm pretty sure part of you entusiasm comes from the prizemoney you got, as you also mentioned in the video, so yes, money transfer did happen. I've seen this change of attitude on several other riders. Once they win some money, then they make a 180 degree mindset change.
The android of cycling platforms 🤮
I wish I could respond saying I love my Samsung on android. But sadly I am iPhone all the way 😂