The Minecraft Mob Vote Was BOTTED - I Have Potential Evidence
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- This years minecraft mob vote had a lot of drama, but one thing we weren't expecting was for it to have been botted. I was skeptical, but got in contact with a few individuals who gave me evidence I just couldn't ignore...
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0:00 - Intro
0:36 - The Mob Vote Discord Bot
1:14 - The Exploit
3:00 - The Modified Script
3:57 - The Botting Begins
5:43 - Evidence That the Vote Was Botted
7:13 - Evidence Against the Vote Being Botted
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Also, because I can already see the comments, I want to make it clear that I retold the story of the botting from the individuals who informed me of it, and I present evidence for and against the potential botting of the vote. You need to watch the video and make up your own mind.
alright
but why did they choose the armadillo?!!?!@
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I reallly hate the fact people or bots I guess voted for the armadillo which was only for the armor. Mojang in the videos seem fishy these days but what do I know.
Maybe Mojang didn't want to program in crab rave :(
lol saw this vid 30 sec after release
The mob vote is supposed to be a fun event, but with every year it feels like it's going further away from it's original intention. These cause so much hate and arguing that it's probably a better idea to either remake the mob vote, or scrap it.
EDIT: Thank you everybody for the likes. I wish every single one who read/is reading this a great day!
@@wilh3lmmusic People like you are the reason the mob vote is so toxic now
WE WANT ALL THREE
Crap the idea to the pits of hell *NOW*
Nah, yall idiots are actively trying to ruin the game
Aaa
Oh no~ Since the voting was scuffed, that means we just have to get all 3 mobs instead of 1. It’s only fair, after all!
We can only hope. 🤞
But realistically Mojang is just going to be lazy and just only add the armadillo.
I will be surprised if they add all.
@@penguinpingu3807 what does laziness has to do with mob vote?
@@atsizbalikThey're too lazy to actually figure out how many votes were actually botted
@@atsizbalikThey could easily add all three
@@atsizbalik if the mob vote is rigged, that it would be smarter and simpler just to add all 3 mobs instead of doing another vote.
Honestly the fact that China was included in the mob vote for the first time explains it well enough for me. Chinese players who don't speak much English probably never saw much of the English speaking community's discussion, so if on average they preferred the armadillo, it's not like we'd know or consider their votes. Who knows though, hopefully Mojang will be transparent about what happened
Crab seems very lame to me and voted just for the memes. No wonder it lost on the real polls.
@@novaangle2183exactly, we didn't need another stupid "GlOw SqUiD" like mob added to the game. We needed something with REAL use, the armadillo can give your dog armor finally, much better than being able to reach further by one whole block.....
@@nova14414 The best thing is they're changing the armor to make your dog invincible until it breaks.
C'mon now if you're gonna troll a whole community you shouldve bot voted the penguin to make everyone question everything
no people would have been ok with the penguin. An armadillo just sucks and that's why you got it.
facts
@@BSasafrasKhonestly penguin could revolutionise minecraft travelling. nether ice boat + penguin, imagine that
@@gamemassacre1251Armadillo is superior to penguin
@@JotaInuyeah
I think saying there was more mob votes than last year is ignoring a crucial fact is that the voting servers were open for 48 hours compared to 1 hour. It allowed people who couldn't attend Minecraft live to actually vote too
This ^
Take in how much more of the casual/outside of the minecraft internet community could have easy access to vote means the internet polls are just polling a select demographic from minecraft
My nephew is young enough that his response when I tols him Armadillo won was "tell mine craft to add it already. We need that armour for our dogs"
He didnt care about the other options I mentioned that lost. He was just excited when he heard dog armour 🤷♀️
couldve sworn it was pen 24 hhours
Still doesnt make sense that all other polls ever had the armadillo win, it was always the crab.
@@ToxicMothBoiAcknowledge that Minecraft isn't only available on English speaking countries, on polls from Brazil, the Armadillo was winning, and i heard from others it also was a favorite in China.
Also, maybe a bunch of crab voters were trying to add all 3 by not voting on the actual vote, but polls aren't the actual vote, and therefore they voted the polls and not the actual vote.
@@ToxicMothBoi I saw someone say it could be from the other parts of the world
the sad thing is, even if the mob vote was botted, mojang probably wouldn't change it to make it look like they never made a mistake
It was but it was before the vote was totalled, the Amarillo won.
We Just have to rely on the petition unfortunately
It’s possible Mojang purposely tried to make the sniffer win it’s mob vote by not giving enough context around the other 2 mobs
@@Nintenblox The votes follow a similar pattern already and are probably rigged anyway. It goes 1. Bad Mob (Enchantment Eater, Penguin, Moobloom, Unsure about Biomes.) 2. Thematic Mob (Big Squid 1.13, Taiga having the best villages 1.14, Mountain in to be added with Caves and Cliffs, Icologer for 1.17, Sniffer for archology, armadillo for combat)
@@SyntheticNuclear Biomes were all going to be added, the voting there was which one would be first. Also, the vulture, goat and frog were all going to be added.
The penguin wasnt the bad mob tbh. The armadillo was.
Ah yes, Mojang underestimating the knowledge and talent of it's own community. A tale as old as time.
Ahh yes, baseless theories when your side loses in a democracy, tale as old as time
@@aviowl8945ahh yes, a trans defending a corrupt/rigged system, tale as old as time
@@aviowl8945 YWNBAW.
@@aviowl8945"baseless"?
@@aviowl8945dude, the glow squid won
I rest my case
I don't think they were botted in the end. A lot of Latin America votes were for the armadillo, while the American votes were for the crab. Also, most votes were on Twitter anyway, and a lot of kids who aren't on Twitter might vote for the armadillo because they want dog armor more than a reach extension.
Verdad, pero me sorprende sabiendo que el Ricardo emese dijo que el cangrejo era la mejor opción
most of europe also voted for the crab
@@Davkoagent What data do you use to prove that?
@@JoMaTo1 i speak with people from europe lmao, i asked 27 people:
crab: 14
armadillo: 8
penguin 5
@@Davkoagent that's a pretty small pool of people...
I did notice that even though US polls favored the crab, a lot of polls of latin america favored the armadillo. Along with the Chinese internet being essentially isolated, it really feels just that most of the polls were biased on a region basis.
Yeah, MythicalSausage's poll even favored the armadillo (he's from Puerto Rico, so I don't know if his has a larger Latin American fanbase).
Most of Brazilian Players voted for the Armadilllo, since he is a beloved animal here along with being the mascot of the most popular world cup in brazil, and brazilians care ALOT about the World Cup
O pessoal não saca que Minecraft é um jogo com uma audiência no mundo inteiro, e não apenas um jogo jogado pelo pessoal que fala inglês, e normalmente esse é pessoal que também não fala nem uma outra língua, então eles nem entendem nada fora da cultura deles... visão muita limitada da nisso ai.
I'm from Argentina, I don't have much friends that play minecraft, but the one's that did said that the crab was the better option, they only mentioned the crab so I didn't know what the other 2 mobs were
most of chinese voted crab
Another consideration is that I have a suspicion younger players are most likely to vote for the armadillo (the assumption is that younger players play more casually and care more about having pets within the game). In which case these players are less likely to have a voice on social media/take part in twitter polls, meaning there were a lot more players who preferred the armadillo than we thought.
I can verify this. my younger brother (10) voted for it because he thought it would be cool for pets to have armor
I was about to comment the same thing, well said
This is exactly my thinking. It also explains why there were more votes, because the mob vote took place on twitter last year and was most likely unable to reach many players, so putting the vote in the game would increase the number of votes, especially from younger players
Yeah my younger bro voted armadillo i voted crab
Yes my younger siblings voted for the Armadillo because of the dog armor being cool
Votes turning out different than expected happens a lot online because people always only consider pre polls from english speaking communities.
English speakers should be the only ones allowed to vote tbh
@@xenn4985 ????
@@Zhung36 did i fucking stutter?
@@xenn4985 🤡
@@xenn4985 based
I know a bunch of people who voted armadillo but just, arent that active on social media. Im thinking that the silent majority wanted armadillo while the vocal few wanted crab.
Another thing, people who posted polls, normally have their own fanbase that will be the majority voters. I've seen polls with the penguin winning or the armadillo.
What about kids? A lot of them may not have youtube. I believe that the armadillo could have easily won.
At this point, there should be something like "Mob Vote rejects update", where every single mob that didn't win their respective mob votes come back. Or maybe a "Mob update" in general, but... eh.
hear me out make all losers of previous mob votes be in a new mob vote to create maximum drama
@@MarvinA2yes.
@@MarvinA2yes
@@MarvinA2 yes
@@MarvinA2 yes
The Chinese vote inclusion could maybe also explain why all the polls on Twitter didn't show the same result, as maybe China limits/blocks access to Twitter from inside China, so Chinese Minecrafters aren't included in the Twitter polls.
And since the crab rave meme presumably has no presence in China, it’s not like the crab has any pop culture edge in China like it does in the West
Or maybe they also just don't watch the same CZcamsrs as us which I find to also be highly likely.
@@connorallgood0922don’t they have their own ‘youtube’ where outsiders have no access?
the chinese know the Meta, they only get 2 seconds of playtime each week, of course they woudlnt vote for the crab, they have working braincells
@@user-zd3iz3xx6kdude don't insult the other people, we shouldn't fight over a silly mob
I don’t know if it was botted or not, but you said that “every single poll on the internet had the crab as winner”. That’s not correct.
Here in Brazil, all the polls had the armadillo as winner. And Brasil has one of the biggest minecraft communities. 💪
Anyways, mob vote should end!
Please explain to me why mob votes should end. I'm waiting.
@@redcube4933 mojang should just give us all 3 mobs instead of having some BS voting system
Also, don't reply to a month old comment with "I'm waiting", it's rude and entitled.
@@violet7773 Mojang can't add all 3 mobs not because it's too hard to code or because they're lazy, see the April fool's updates, but because Minecraft isn't terraria or Fortnite, it's a game that points to being simple, if you don't like simple game it's obvious you will find Minecraft update's "lazy", plus with the mob vote you aren't choosing which theme mob will be in the new update, but you're choosing an extra, no mob vote means no mobs aside from the ones related to the update. Also Minecraft is almost a 15 years old game, there's not many other games this old getting free updates, Minecraft is probably the only one
Also wth does the date of the comment have to do? Ye I was rude I know, that was my intent, being rude so people reply, but since I'm in the right here they'll make stupid points blinded by the fact that they feel attacked, which I will prove they're stupid and I'll enlarge my ego, that's my goal
@@redcube4933 Being rude to get a response is only going to make people ignore any point you may have, especially when you double down by saying something like how you're in the right. That really only works when you're talking to true scum of the earth that just about anyone can agree should not be treated respectfully.
Minecraft doesn't have to do the mob vote, they could simply just not have put it in place in the first place which would have prevented people from getting pissed off about it when it doesn't go their way. Hell they could still do the mob vote, but just do it internally among the company instead of externally, that way the people who actually have to code the stuff would be doing the one they're most interested in anyways and it could be this cool little bonus to an update. Forcing the community to choose is only going to piss people off even if it does increase interactivity.
@@kr42yw01f yeah I guess you're right since you're ignoring my point.
"An internal vote in the company so they can decide which mob they like the best" bruh, that already happens, it's something very common in game development. And like I said, if you get pissed off by your favorite bunch of pixels not winning a vote and getting added later on, you're clearly not old enough to be on the internet
If the vote wasn't botted, then the only explanation is that a bunch of little Timmys saw "dog armor" and immediately voted 💀
Armadura >> caranguejo pinguin + fans
The thing is, the armadillo was a favorite on latin america, specially on Brazil (some of the brazilian youtube comunity votes had the armadillo with over 90% of votes)
bruh I still voted for the crab ☠️
Not just that, armadillos were most likely to be voted on by the more "casual" + younger side of minecraft's community. Kids are less likely to have access to the internet (as in, social medias), and even if they do, they're not going to be on twitter and would follow different youtubers when compared to the crab crowd.
Was there botting? Most definitively, it's kind of unavoidable
But is it fair to use botting as a way to claim the armadillo shouldn't have won, even though there are plenty of other reasons for it to have? No, absolutely not
@@jonathandefreitas8545tambem
I was thinking the same, I'm from Brazil and here we love the armadillo (aka tatú) with all our heart :>
@@perfeitoni Bhahah I am Brazillian too!! Really happy our silly little fellas won
I've seen tons of foreign people hard advocate for the armadillo. Which is something a lot of people don't take into consideration. US isn't the only country voting. A lot of people across the globe simply preferred different mobs. For example, I've seen a lot of Brazilian fans and influencers rooting for the armadillo because it's Brazil's national animal. And Brazil isn't exactly a small country. I'm not saying there wasn't rigging, but Armadillo's victory could be a 100% legit.
It's exposed for if you say "armadillo" "armadillo" it counts as two votes for armadillo in one vote
You raise a good point. Another thing to consider is that these poles were taken on youtube, and likely only older players might have seen them. We don't know how many kids are just playing on their moms phone and just voted for the armadillo because it was described with the words "cute" and "dog"
@TheHatManCole older players also voted armadillo because mojang are notorious for not adding what the community expected from the mob vote. So maybe more than half a block placement distance vs guaranteed dog armour ( will become pvp meta ) is a lot more favourable.
I totally agree! And polls on twitter or even youtube are not great data, considering that not everyone has these platforms.
Most of brazilians I talked to actually voted to the crab.
Hello, a certified armadillo voter here. I can affirm that there are other yt channels that did an unofficial poll and can assure that the armadillo won by a huge margin(in those polls). It just depends on your (the viewer) preference of content creator or what content they produce.
True, same here, it depends where you're looking, if you want to see votes for the crab, you'll find it, same with armadillo. I personally saw a 50/50 split between both mobs winning.
And, this does count for everyone voting, only some will take part in the polls, and other like myself, just formed their own opinion and voted without the twitter and CZcams stuff
Yeah most polls i saw that included the “no vote” option had armadillo winning. I think people who boycotted were mostly crab people, or maybe juat randos who went “oo crab” and dis the community vote but didnt actually vote. If you look at the votes on CZcams from other countries almost all are in favor of armadillo.
@IcyDux There's one more fact: Usually crab was the first in the list. Anyone who didn't want to vote would have just gone for the first option, thus increasing the number of "supposed" crab votes.
@@4nowand4ever89 good point. I honestly think armadillo won fair and square.
yeah, most people from what I've seen voted for the armadillo, and nobody really cared for the crab or penguin
Tbh I think a lot of the armadillo votes were from young children who do not have an online presence. Dog armor caters to a younger and more casual playerbase in general, whereas the crab claw is something that mostly would be liked by people who have been playing for a while.
Except if you were playing for awhile how would the claw help you?
You're standing next to a 3 block tall wall, are you going to make it 4 with the claw? Not unless you climb it.
You've just build the ceiling with a claw, but now you need to build the roof or lights so you still have to climb up.
You're making the 4 block wall longer, the claw isn't going to help you.
The incredibly rare situations where a claw could be useful is replaced by arcane magic from the depths of unholy places. This magic is called Dirt Block, Scaffolding, and Planning things out.
Dog armor just sounds cooler and cuter than a crab fist or whatever that extends ur block reach
I Have been playing for awhile and I picked armadillo
@@Buglin_Burger7878 Most people just keep their dogs in the corner of their house so armor will not really be useful. Besides, they do too little damage to be usable in pvp and I think placing ender crystals and other blocks further would be more useful when fighting. Even with armor, dogs still die to their most common causes such as lava, most falling and a hit from a high-power sword. Even so, dogs are pretty much worth 2 rotten flesh (breeding) and are easily expendable.
@@peepe3741 If you breed a lot of wolves they can easily overwhelm and annoy an opponent but yeah, I think the reason mob votes suck so much is that all the mobs are either extremely annoying (phantom) or rarely used (every other mobvote).
To be fair, this year's mob vote was included in the actual game client and very accessibly compared to last year, which might explain the spike in votes
The vote was included in the bedrock app too though last year...
czcams.com/video/IxUNFQo0_6k/video.htmlsi=mP3tDPPfKJpkQPjH
@@T1nyRaccoonyea but not EVERYONE had bedrock last year unlike now. Although im not sure if that was after or before the mob vote. I think after. However unlike before China was actually allowed to vote in the global mob vote this year which super big population. Plus it only makes sense we'd get more and more votes every year as it becomes more and more accessible. Plus it was open for two days this year so people like ne who forget day one can vote on dat two.
Absolutely and with China (wich is a BIG country) being included in the vote it’s not all that surprising that there were more voters.
What are you trying to say lad?
I feel like even though it may not have had too much of an effect on the vote, the fact that we do know that botted votes were input at least in a small amount is concerning.
It’s a big effect, I mean literally at the start of the video he said every poll had crab winning.
That could be explained in another way too. And let's face it, we're not finding out the truth either way, as Mojang wouldn't admit it if the bots did impact the results
@@musselache866 Yes but that's only a vocal part of the community, which might be something like 20%, there plenty of people that play minecraft that do not have twitter/ reddit or other social media platforms that still participated in the Actual mob vote. I even skipped the twitter polls since they are pretty useless, but did end up voting for the armadillo in the actual mob vote
@@musselache866 Not everyone uses Twitter, I mean half the Minecraft community is probably like under 13
They didn’t count not votes. Stop being salty crab lost
Although I feel as though the mob vote having an attempted botting attack still didn’t seem to affect the final total, it should probably have a re-vote like most things do, but mojang isn’t most things
You be like:*😠DO IT AGAIN*
Mojang be like: _Do you even know what planning we did for Minecraft live to have the mob vote. and the coding like the mob vote server and the mob vote to even show up on the launcher 💔 WE TRIED ARE BEST AND YOU STILL DIDN'T LIKE IT_
the lesson is "_you get what you get and you don't pitch a fit
bro is the type to defend billionaires when they donate 10m to get hundreds of millions of revenue, “aTleAsT tHeY dOnaTed!!! tHrOw A fiT aNd yOu geT wHaT yoU dEsErVe!!1!1!”
@@heyman000 I wasn’t saying it with malicious intent, I just feel that it would be right to do a re-vote as the vote from this years could’ve been affected by the cyberattack
@@ezrajrperida100 are you one of those people that hate Mr Beast
@@krngameender6820 he isnt a billionaire yet tho, so no
It is so weird seeing some of my online acquaintances being talked about in a youtube video.
the extra votes this year can also be accounted for by the mob vote being open for 48 hours beforehand & the other effort Mojang put into making the mob vote more accessible to the playerbase. I think the bedrock audience favoured the armadillo, as they already have longer reach than Java
i'm not playing on bedrock and chosen armadillo
i have no clue what playing on either platform has to do with chosing a mob
@@theender664infurgent explained right above why it could have a link to the version
nah I play on java and voted on bedrock and I voted for the armadillo becuase I didnt think the 2-3 extra blocks the crab claw gives you is worth it
You also have to keep in mind a lot of kids play minecraft. Kids love their pets, so it would make sense why they would vote for the armadillo.
@@James54590 So dog armor is worth more ?
i feel like every mob vote they have 1 obvious correct vote that is way more developed and interesting from the others and then two other less developed options. Its like 1 of them is like already made and then they just add in two other concept ideas. dont take my word for it i probably dont even know what im talking about it just seems so weird to me
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I agree, which was why the frog was added immediately because it was supposed to win
And if the obvious one doesn't win they just add it in later and the rest get sent to the graveyard
None of the three choices this year stand out to me as being supposed to win though
The botter code probably didn't work. If there were communities botting for crab and armadillo, then the penguin would be waaaay back in total votes
I feel like the lil crabsters got a lil mad that the crab didn't win so they decided to say some outranges things lol I wanted the penguin to win just cause i like penguins, but there wasn't a lot of people talking about them so I just voted for the one that gives dog armor or smth i thought that would be cool instead of reach the crab gave🧸
@@Xienaa I actually voted for the penguin because Penguins are cute. The most you see a mob is in the wild so, unless there is a great technical application (claw was overrated) for the feature, I think you should just go with your gut
I voted crab cuz I like building and don't really leave my spawn
I voted for the armadillo because the dog armor (when I mean dog I mean wolf) would make me see a lot of dog owners.
I was gonna vote for the penguin but then I remembered that boats were fast enough to begin with. And why make boats _EVEN FASTER_ on ice if the boats are already going 1 million miles per hour.
And crab... two words: TOO OP.
@@MeIsSmogee bro just walk forward, crab claw is absolutely overrated, with armadillo (I voted for) you could make total armies and is incredibly helpful for utility. dogs can already resist alot with healing, with armour they will be soldiers.
THey could add a better system to validate each vote. For example since It looks like the script they ran generated lots of new accounts, they could have a policy that only accounts that have existed for a certain period of time can submit a vote, for example, any account under 2 months old cant make a vote.
It dosen't generate accounts, it generates tokens
I think it's pretty obvious that while the Crab was most popular among dedicated longterm Minecraft players, the Armadillo was much more popular among the casual audience who make up the overwhelming majority of the playerbase. Most MC players are literal children, they probably heard the words "dog armour" and instantly made up their mind
....Or either make an equipment using copper as a extending gizmo arm instead of making anoþer sluge on a messy code. Dog armour? Use þe existing scutes. Boat boost? Furnace boats if you're insane enough.
I voted the armadillo because the mangrove swamp already has had recent updates and has a unique mob (the frog) so I wanted the armadillo so the Savannah could be more fun to go to.
“You had me at dog armor”
@@androidluvsklei me too dude i think everyone here is just really butthurt. the mc community has been super disrespectful and kinda awful for this vote and its been making me sad. no wonder why mojang's votes feel "lifeless" to people, they're ruining it for everyone by getting so mad!
@@johndexterzarate6663 or have it as a beacon effect or a new potion.
And here I was thinking people just latched onto the Armadillo because they heard the words "cute" and "dog" in the same sentence. Now there's an entire rabbit hole to it.
Good luck searching through!
theres no rabbit hole. this is just crab voters malding and coping that their useless little crab claw didn't win the vote. you do realise this is the first time china was able to vote, and armadillo was very popular with them this year. not to mention the countless 6-12 year olds who play Minecraft which are more likely to choose dog armour than a crab claw. armadillo won and they need to accept that. its so cringe.
@@travisdingolaite6184twitoid detected
@@travisdingolaite6184That's actually true. I was being sarcastic.
The only rabbit hole is why crab voters are too fucking lazy to move 2 blocks forward to place another block in a video game.
I had first thought before I clicked on the video that Mojang had botted the Minecraft Mob Vote to try and ignore the ongoing outrage about stopping the Mob Votes, and bot the Mob Vote so it would seem legit. But this makes much more sense now
The main reason why people are getting more and more worked up about this is that in the beginning Mojang promised to gradually add the losing mobs later on and never did. We haven’t seen a single mob vote mob added (except the frog because it was to add another mob for the wild update)
The frog was part of a Biome Vote which is different from mob vote. So they haven't even added a single mob vote loser.
you can't say they never did something, then proceeding to say they did it in brackets.
you didn't even leave a comment on this video (apart from this one)
It should also be realized that a significant amount of the community did not vote, because of the stopthemobvote trend happening at the time, some polls on Twitter would even give you the option to say that you weren’t voting, and a large number of votes went to that
I really do think the number of people who intentionally didn't vote isn't enough for Mojang to care.
As a player who supports the “stop the mob vote” movement I still voted for armadillo as I know they aren’t going to change their plans 3 days before the live event. I’m sure anyone who said “I’m not voting” really mean they support the movement and that at least 20% of who ever selected that option still voted anyways for similar reasoning as I have.
The amount of people who followed the #stopthemobvote are inconsequential compared to the amount of people who voted.
@@shad0w_l0ckz66they won’t change anything with that attitude also we’re not necessarily trying to to stop this one mob vote but all of them
This is not true. The amount of people who used that hashtag and DIDN’T vote is so small and far from significant.
Is there a world download or something for the world shown at 1:56? I love the style!
Many of the people in the Spanish-speaking community had followed game content creators in their childhood.
Many of these creators played alone and the only company they had was a pet, mostly a wolf, and it was not unusual for it to die after a while in the series due to a mob attack.
I feel that's the main reason of why the armadillo won.
Oh noooo a video game pet died. Boohoo go cry to mommy.
You people really love fake pets, The pets you have aren't even real, They are only a program to serve you.
Y porque asumes que los youtubers hispanos eran los únicos que tenían perros y/o se les morían sus perros xd
Dude, in all of my 10 years of playing minecraft solo, I can count on 1 hand, how many times I've tamed a wolf, and I bet my pinky that over half of the wolf taming community tamed them to just sit it in their base...literally never using it in combat.
I feel like the discussion I see online regarding the mob vote often fails to account for the fact that an inconceivable amount of children (who don't interact with Reddit posts and CZcams polls) play Minecraft. Especially since the mob vote was heavily integrated into the bedrock client itself this time, I'm sure most of these kids clicked on it, voted the armadillo because they thought it was cuter than the other two (and it protects their doggies) and moved on.
This!!! I've been saying that all the children would vote for "dog armor and savannah update" since all 3 were revealed. It was so obvious what the outcome would be.
exactly. people saying "stop the mob vote!!!" don't realize that they are more than likely not even 1% of the whole community
Exactly people need to realize minecraft is mainly a kids game
And maybe Chinese players
we want funktion, not cuteness besides the crab and pinguin was cute as well
It's truly sad how someone can be so arrogant and just a horrible human being to bot a voting for their own enjoyment.
bad take
they probably wanted the vote to be canceled
@@MakinamiPhYTThat is the worst fucking take i have ever seen, You are overthinking this way to much
He’s based
who even cares, the mob vote sucks anyways
im a programmer and I make stuff like this. it was totally botted. do you have any idea how easy it is to notice if your being rate limited? if your being rate limited you receive a special error code and can adjust the minimum post intervals to accommodate this time, if done right you can do it perfectly. i did something similar on roblox.
What is that background for the nighttime scenes? Is it a resource pack?
I think the botting theory fails to recognize the sheer quantity of casual minecraft players. The previous mob votes didn’t offer a catered feature for casual players (wolf armor would appeal very heavily to casual players, whereas the crab claw feels too technical to understand as an unknowledgeable player) and thus a much larger demographic of minecraft users had a reason to vote this year. Casual players are the VAST majority of minecraft players, so it makes sense a feature more casually oriented would win by default.
A game should care about it's dedicated fan base more than the casuals
@@E10979Maybe, but how do you defign the difference?
@@E10979 Yeah....no the hardcore fanbase doesnt keep a game alive, the Casual one does.
I think reaching a couple extra blocks is more simple
@@E10979 I mean, should it? The casual players are the majority, and therefore bring in the most money through quantity alone. Ignoring them in favor of the minority would mean a huge dent in their income. No company is going to do that.
You know what's the best way to avoid all this drama? Release all three mobs. That's all.
Real
I agree. But think about how long that would take to code, and they don't want to overload us with tons of stuff all at once, they want it to be spread out over time so we keep playing until the next update, effectively giving them more money.
@@Pickle236tons of people are gonna hate you for this take, just letting you know now
@@Pickle236 modders can add 3 mobs in like an hour
@@Pickle236 Modders could add 30 mobs in the time it takes microsoft to release one. You are just straight up wrong
Wow, some people think that everyone in the world sees those CZcams polls
I gave up on the community picking an actually good mob a long time ago, the moment I saw the armadillo I knew it had won because it was the least useful option.
Fun fact: in 2017 only 2680 people voted in mob vote. If there were 40 more votes for The Great Hunger, it would be added to Minecraft instead of phantom
When a The Mister Epic’s video gets published on other days than Sundays, you know it is serious stuff.
Is it though? I know that rigging a vote is a particularly serious thing that needs to be taken in consideration, but at the same time... it's the mo vote, not necessarily a serious event per se.
I remember when we used to get several new mobs, let alone multiple cool additions at all, in a single update
Microsoft is extremely lazy, we get a update a year yet Notch updated it a week or a month. We get 1 new mob almost each update when what we should get is multiple new mobs. This is why Minecraft needed to stay indie, because Minecraft would be way better than this.
What other games series makes it's players fight over essential or wanted features and scrap the losers?
When talking about the polls on CZcams and Twitter, keep in mind that this year's vote had specific features designed to get the younger MC audience voting.
First of all, the voting window was more than DOUBLE the length of last year (24 hrs in 2022 vs 48 hrs & 15 minutes in 2023), to make sure everyone had a chance to vote.
Second, they made sure to emphasize that you could vote in the bedrock server (highly accessible to kids on phones/tablets), and had it highlighted in the main menu of Bedrock edition.
Finally, the entire Chinese MC playerbase was able to vote this year. Granted, not all of them will be kids, but this still adds a bunch of votes to the total.
TL;DR: I don't think the vote was bottled. The evidence just isn't there, and there are reasonable and probable explanations to all the points made in this video.
The only reason is it is hacked
Exactly
This year was the very first time Minecraft rewrote their user guidelines to explicitly define the game as a "children's game", meant to be safe for those 10 and under. Microsoft does not care that the average age is 24-27. Even how the employees act in the videos, super hyper and fake smiles, it's all pandering to kids. They don't care about US anymore.
bro did not watch the video
Imagine ignoring all the evidence
I think there was just more casual players participating in the vote than usual, since you could vote directly via bedrock edition. The armadillo looks really cute and casual players tend to like dogs a lot, but most probably don't go voting on CZcams polls.
Bedrock players could vote the same way last year too though, I remember voting sniffer lol
@@teoni8765 Didn't that server get Hacked?
Yea I don't vote on Twitter or x but I do love the dogs
fuck you for voting sniffer@@teoni8765
Yeah like 90% of people I’ve heard said they wanted the armadillos, the ONLY times I saw a majority for crabs was CZcamsrs or CZcams polls. And most of the polls are people just picking a random thing, and is nowhere near proof that people wanted the crab more
I was an armadillo voter, I never used twitter except when was needed. I never participated in those polls.
I don’t think I ever saw a poll before hand where the crab won personally.
If the votes would be tied to accounts that own the game, then maybe the vote servers simply tossed those bots, because while they are new users, they aren't valid users.
It unfortunately doesn't work like that, you have to have a minecraft account to get the token, and because they discovered a method for tokens, they were able to skip the account identification completely
Also, fyi the (java) system (they're rather similar) works like that: You open minecraft with a token (a string of characters), which you get when you authenticate to microsoft servers by opening the launcher and logging in.
Then, the token is used in a parameter for the jar command launching the game (like -Xmx or -Xms - assigning memory for the java virtual machine) Then, when you join a server, the token gets sent to the server, which then authenticates you with the microsoft servers. This is on by default, and is used for most private servers/smp's, and also some servers like Hypixel.
Bedrock's token is probably also requested when the game starts, or when you log in, and because it makes a new token everytime, they could vote infinitely.
If that happened, then all iphone users who voted, wouldve had their votes thrown out, which is also bad
@@PalmDevsBut then wouldn't this mob vote have, like, over 10 million votes or something? It had only 5 million, even with the entirety of the mc community voting. I don't think the bots really made a difference here.
@@PalmDevsI know, that's why I said the bots didn't make much of a difference here. Plus, even if they did, I don't think it would matter that much.
They probally checked the origin of tokens and compared them agains some account database, and removed all the invalid ones. @@bbolken
I think it's also important to realize population skew in Community polls. A large portion of the polls (especially as documented in this video) were done on the platform previously known as Twitter. Twitter user demographics could be substantially different from average Minecraft demographics and thus skew the polls. A general theory goes that since Twitter caters more towards adults (not specifically excluding teens but definitely not the key demographic), a large portion of votes would be utility skewed. Older players would see the utility of the crab claw as more valuable than Wolf Armor (niche use in adventuring and combat, made less necessary as player skill increases), and also more valuable than whatever speed a penguin may give boats (especially given their tendencies to be found closer to icy oceans which are notoriously bad to travel with boats). Again just a theory but something to consider when looking at this purely statistically.
you're assuming a majority of people make decisions logically
1 block reach is totally more useful than making dogs viable in-game 🤡
@ARandomEliatrope lava:(no really it is one of the most common death reasons for these little shits)
Children = less logical
Adults = more logical
doesn't really work when you have a children's game with 300 million accounts and 5 million votes
nobody has any kind of idea about the voting demographic especially since you could vote from the launcher
also people make emotional decisions when it comes to unimportant stuff like this
@@ARandomEliatropedogs still aren't going to be viable 🤡
I never stood any chance for the mob i wanted to get voted. I voted Penguin.
"Every twitter poll I saw showed that the crab would win" You mean biased twitter polls with only 5,000 votes that aren't representative of the larger minecraft community?
"More people showed up for the vote but google trends say otherwise" That's google trends, not minecraft. They actually had a server for it as well as counting Chinese votes and its shown that Chinese voters as well as South American voters favored the armadillo.
"Only kids voted for the armadillo because dog armor" Not true, I'm 20 and rather have an army of dogs all wearing farmed dog armor so I'm untouchable as well as a cute armadillo pet over a few extra blocks of build height that I can just pile up or use scaffolding for.
Not saying TheMisterEpic is making these points to show its rigged, just addressing things I've heard other people say. I believe that it wasnt rigged and even if a few botted votes were counted the armadillo still fairly won.
Abnormal API usage would definitely look obviously different compared to normal use.
From the bedrock mob vote server: The player would have at least claimed the cape and potentially walked into some block position triggers on the way to the vote levers.
From the website and Java launcher: The browser would have at least loaded all the images and the browser headers need to make sense.
And of course, thousands of API usages coming from the same IP when only 1 or few is expected can add to the obviousness.
That would be why they say it didn't impact the results.
@@IDrankALavaLamp IP address spoofing can't complete a 3-way handshake in TCP.
Nope, everything is bittable, for the ip they just use proxys, and no cant detect those kind of botting anyway and hcaptcha can be solved by getting the cookie thats all
@@wouf_ Captchas require a unique token on each request; you can't just reuse the same token every time. Otherwise they'd be pointless. But this is beside the point as no captcha was required to vote anyway.
@@GrantGryczan yes ,?? Gamepass account are à thing, there is tool to générate as much mc account as you want
@@wouf_ All the IPs from those would likely already be in a big list of suspicious IPs.
I think going by polls is a bit inaccurate, since those polls were only polling a specific portion of the playerbase. Polls with more casual players leaned far towards the Armadillo, as a poll on Eyecraft MCs channel showed
There were many polls like that
I voted armadillo because xenarthrans are really fucking cool and are super underrepresented in games. Plenty of games have crabs or penguins, not many have sloths, anteaters, or armadillos.
Almost every poll showed the crab being on top
@@HeavyTF2real I know, it looks like a lot of people here are saying things like "ah it must be because of children / people outside the US / wolf armor", but man I just like Armadillos.
@@HeavyTF2realI respect all voters, safe a few exceptions:
1) Glow squid voters who voted because Dream told them to.
2) Allay voters who voted because they thought they would duplicate items.
3) Armadillo voters who voted PURELY for wolf armour and its protection. (This does not apply if you like the idea of wolf armour, or think that your wolf would look better with it.)
4) People who are sore winners/losers about their vote are toxic about it.
5) That one group of rascal voters who said that they would gift you netherite blocks.
People who vote for the aesthetic are better than most, so I have to give to give you respect for that. (A GW2 fan to a TF2 fan.)
From the description of the hack, it really sounds like microsoft could do a data warehouse query to join the tokens with xbox logins, then filter and do a unique/most recent per user.
Its pretty standard backend engineering to store everything, so you can slice and dice it later.
Every vote request can go through, but that doesnt mean it will end up counted
If you checked tiktok, most of the community talked about wanting the armadillo, so 🤷♀️
Here in Brazil, All voting polls had the armadillo winning, I didn't even know people wanted the crab😮
Crab fans seethe at the thought of another mob winning😂
Texas and Australian people too.
Sou brasileiro e eu queria o carangueijo.
Eu vi algumas dessas postagens com o Penguin ganhando e o tatu no segundo lugar, então achei que a disputa iria ser entre os dois :V
I'm from the US and I also wanted the Armadillo, even forgetting wolf armor I just like them. =^)
My best guess was that armadillo voters were just the silent majority and that the botted votes didn’t effect the final outcome if at all.
Even if it was botted by 1million in each mob then armadillo would of still won anyways
Big cap.
Good point, but i like to think its botted
Genius
@@Mr_Roomba_ Why like though?
Saw your video on Bilibili, just here to show support
So are we not gonna get the armadillo? :( they're one of my fav animals
I’ve seen several polls where the armadillo won on CZcams. I’m not confident, but there is a solid chance it would have won legitimately even with bots
im sure it did wolf armor is legendary
For me it was always between the crab and the armadillo, like a 50/50 chance for either of them.
Idk I think maybe the armadillo was popular in china or something, as I wasn’t expecting a difference higher than 10%.
it sure is@@rustyshackleford234
@@yu21ssome poeples like you with a profile picture like that literally said it ALL
@@pamfilipinas9102 *people
I think if it was botted, mojang may of estimated the number of bot votes and ended up just underestimating how many of the armadillos votes were fake. I think a redo with the exploit fixed is in order if they find anything suspicious.
Even (especially) the DreamMobVote should have been recast
*IF* they find anything.
zenphir9051 it HAS, hence this very video about it. EVEN a Minecraft Developer ACKNOWLEDGED it. And you have the audacity to CLAIM "IF" 😂😂😂
@@swizzamane8775 just because there is a chance it was rigged, doesn’t mean it actually was rigged.
anakinground5515 It IS rigged. A Developer ACKNOWLEDGES it was (despite "assurances" its "fine").
So, YES, it IS RIGGED. Some people are just blissfully ignorant of the blatantly obvious though 🤣🤣🤣
Frenchie here! I've never really appreciated Minecraft's Mob Vote, ever since the first edition. They've got the means, the teams, the PCs, the software and the knowledge to make it work, and instead, they want to smash the community with difficult, probably biased, influenced or botted votes. Do I take the liberty of integrating their new version of the EULA, which further destroys the community aspect? I'm sick for my Minecraft, I'm very sad and very afraid of how it's going to turn out.
How did I NOW find this?!?!
I think something else potentially relevant is all the polls you showed were in english. As you mentioned, Chinese players were able to vote this year. And its possible that specific mobs might be more or less popular in regions where they are familiar. Thus the english polls might not be representative of non-english speaking opinion.
Yeah. If social media says so it doesn't mean the real players choose it. Lots of my friend who didn't even buy Minecraft took the votes in many of their social account and talk about it.
there are also chinese polls showed the winner is crab
Ikr. All the polls i saw in portuguese for the mob vote were saying the armadillo would win
There's no way they actually counted chinese votes. If they did, the total should have gone up by as much as 15 million, not 1.5million. China has *HALF A BILLION* more people than North America and South America combined.
There may have been bots, but I think only about half the pre-vote polls had the crab winning. It may depend on what group you’re in but about half the polls I saw had the armadillo winning.
More importantly during Minecraft live, watch the scrolling chat had more armadillo than crab in between #stopthevote.
More importantly you can change your vote, which implies that all of those requests could have just been changing a single vote to the armadillo 3 million times.
Well I didn't like crab, not Minecraft-y
how@@no_the_other_ariksquad
@@no_the_other_ariksquadhow
I wanted penguin honestly, I know it was the least useful but ever since I started playing minecraft in 1.8 I have wanted penguins to be added.
nor was the armdillo your lucky the update is a good unminecrafty update@@no_the_other_ariksquad
the mob vote is like a massive pit of fire and anger
Mojang just doesn't want to listen to the Community
The fact some people will go far to bot a mob vote event makes me more concerned once Mojang will make another one
They did NOTHING for the Dream mob vote scandal
Can't wait for Mojang to do nothing about this 🔥🔥🔥
True 🔥🔥🔥
Remember the 2020 mob vote? Yeah they did nothing then like the true Gs they are 🔥🔥🔥
Do another QC cryout ;)
@@swizzamane8775 Oh nyo, anyway
@@garlic_greed QC stayed... j/s.... if y'all replicated that... again... j/s
Why even vote if it’s always gone be the one we don’t want
Nah. Armadillos improve dogs. Kids like dogs. Kids primarily autoplay and watch from recommended videos. Most kids don't see nor respond to polls. Lots of kids' votes are not reflected in preliminary polling.
Yep.
the china detail is important, a huge playerbase that doesn't have access to youtube or twitter, also something tells me you didn't consider other regions for the fan polls other than western/usa. doubt something like this would fly in mojang
As with all online events there is always botting. But it is likely a combination of all factors mentioned
botting, Minecraft China, and children with no internet access. I believe that if Mojang released a heat map of the mob vote we would see crab votes being evenly distributed across areas with voting and armadillo votes clustered around population centers.
The crab likely always won on the regional level but there were more armadillo votes in total.
Star??? Is that you??? Is this a super big coiincidence?
nice pfp
@@RichConnerGMNgoofy ahh pfp
now if only we could apply mob voting rules to real life politician voting
@@iBuyKetaminesays you
I haven't watched the video yet, but as someone from Poland, I can tell you that in the polls our big youtubers made, the armadillo was the one with most votes, just looking at the start, it seems like you'll be talking about US centred stuff
i think because the vote was ingame, a lot of little kids heard dog about armor and got excited
I really hope that Determinated takes the time to learn how to properly disclose and report security vulnerabilities. The fact that they found this vulnerability, but rather than reporting it, created an exploit (which was then leaked and allegedly used to rig the vote) indicates that they are in serious need of some security training.
No they do not need any security training.
I think he probably just didn't give a shit lmao
i dont think they want to be a white hat hacker imo, otherwise they WOULD have reported it
czcams.com/video/IxUNFQo0_6k/video.htmlsi=mP3tDPPfKJpkQPjH
Their oversight is not his responsibility.
Really like the idea of a mid week video additionally, love it!
The majority of people lose during a mob vote and Mojang refuse to ever add the losing mobs in future updates.
Whats the texture pack for the glwoing armor
As a programmer I'm almost sure that they have some kind of authorization before counting the vote. Theoretically you can send as many votes as you want using different tokens but after all they must have been send using some account so after all, all the votes will be lost since one account can have only one vote.
It will be strange if such a big company didn't have such protection
No because mojang specifically made it so you don't need an account to vote this year.
Also, you have no idea HOW bad their security it. This is like the least of their worries.
never trust big companies in being competent
@@MentaalAchtergesteldthere are a lot of competent programers there, but sure they can made an upsie
As you said, each token should be able to uniquely identify an user, you can't just generate an auth token and being unable to determine the user, for me is hard to believe they don't have that.
I remember one person in the comment section had the much better idea of making the mob vote a Community Idea Vote where Mojang picked their favorites and then players voted for which they liked.
Or it could work like the suggestion forms where the most popular suggestion would of a theme within a span of say a month gets added
That's a good idea, I mean they have a whole ass feedback website.
@@goshdarnchickenyeah it would also make it used more 😊
Which delusional people forgot to take their meds?
Armadillo and crab were 50/50 on youtuber and twitter polls, in fact armadillo had the most vote wins compared to crab.
It was known that cute armor was gonna win over 0.5 block extension.
This is definetly one of the craziest times in minecrafts history
If they would add all three mobs, they would avoid these problems.
czcams.com/users/clipUgkxcNggpsB9ggRQM82GPedtQUDzBNYFBjuz?si=ncgakDJb8OKNknHZ
modeling 2 extra mobs that they already designed and copy and pasting ai is too hard 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@@penguinpenguinpenguin czcams.com/users/clipUgkxcNggpsB9ggRQM82GPedtQUDzBNYFBjuz?si=ncgakDJb8OKNknHZ
There was definitely something going on with servers. I had to cast my vote 4 times until it registered
That was everyone. The votes didn't lock in immediately. Literally everyone was allowed to change their vote multiple times. In both Java and Bedrock. So inside and outside the server.
You guys forgot there are countries that don't speak english and there everyone wanted wolf armor without really caring about what's going on elsewhere.
Exatamente os cara acha que só eles que votam
Yes yes yes yes yes thank you
I don't trust the guys who take a year to add 3 reskins of a block and half a feature (that will continue to be developed for the next 3 - 5 updates) to be mentally capable of identifiying the botted votes. That is assuming they even care for the community at this point.
oh no we got minecraft election fraud now, what's next, minecraft documents get stolen?
people steal signed books in 2b2t 💀
I think the suprise win is due to other countries, and i did see some large community poles with the armadillo winning. Also are large chunk of the poles shown at the beginning are from channels who appeal to more technical players or builders giving a bias to the crab. Also some of them were on twitter and that platform is a walking corpse.
Agreed. The polls put out were seen and voted on by (mostly) the people following the channel, who are most likely to like the same things due to the fact they are following them.
When will they make the forgotten mobs update?
Yeah most of the polls I saw had armadillo winning by around 10-15%
It's also sus that last update the ancient mob sniffer got added on the archeology update. And now the dog armor for the combat adventure update... 🤔
Also not to be controversial but voter ID would be the solution for this. You have to log into your account and you only get one per account
Bro casually trolled the whole Minecraft community
I simply believe that microsoft/mojang already knows what they are going to add, and make their own choice win regardless of the actual votes
That’s an interesting thought.
Probably not because of what happens with the glow squid with dream
@@Cyborg2457if we’re going along with this theory, it’s entirely possible that they weren’t good enough to design bots considering how long it takes to make a mid update over at Mojang.
Just want to say in spite of potential botting, it's also good to remember that many players, like myself, do not engage with content creators polls ahead of time, and only vote on the event (because the other polls have no point)
3:30 this code is has a massive problem, as while it does indeed generate a random delay to call the vote() code with
it only generates the delay time once, then sticks with it for every call
the better solution would be to use setTimeout, then in that call, activate estTimeout again with a new time
did you re use background footage from your last video lol