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For me, it's the cutting short of the Academy Phase and Edelgard's scaled back ambitions. I'm honestly mad about the former. Also, I don't think the flashback is even of the Battle of the Tailtean Plains. It's at night/early morning, for one, and Nemesis is also nowhere to be seen.
The battle of Tailtean Plans was at night though. It ends with it being dawn though. Also they could of just not shown Nemesis. That doesn’t prove it wasn’t that battle.
I think it all sounds waaay too convenient on second look for Edelgard and makes TWSitD look even dumber than before. That and plot in demo goes way too fast
@@MrGksarathy Everyone who has palyed all 3 routes of Three Houses knows EXACTLY, from top to bottom, what happens in the academy phase. We really don't need ANOTHER repetition. I even played the game over 8 times, so, to be completely honest with you, i'm sick of the academy phase.
Head canon: Jeritza being able to "trace the scent of blood" isn't just him be edgy and a good tracker, it's the Crest of Lamine. He doesn't use healing magic, but he can still sense others pain like Mercedes
Well that’s something. His death knight class is capable of using magic though, so he does use a bit of magic. Hopefully he gets that class in this game
I think jeritza killed them. I think it's also edelgard's team/jeritza that teleported/guided the bandits towards the empty looking tower Creating a trail of blood that would justify the students getting inside the castle.
@@autisonm it was heavily implied in the original game that Jeritza's the death knight, starting in the chapter where you rescue Flayn in pre-timeskip. Also, Mercedes' paralogue too. And in Azure Moon where you kill him there's a scene with Mercedes.
One thing that I really like that I saw someone point out on Twitter is that while in the og game Dimitri was all about emotions and edelgard all about logic, in this game Dimitri’s decision to grant protection to rhea once the war started was a purely logical one while Edelgard’s decisions to rescue Monica and to ask the church for help were emotional decisions
I'd hesitate to say Edelgard was logic in the main game tho. A lot of her decisions weren't logical. But I will grant that Dimitri was ruled by emotion for most of the main game.
@@l.n.3372 obviously it's not 100% strictly one mindset or the other, but I do think that edelgard was more logical. Like she absolutely hated allying herself with TWSITD but felt it was the only way she could get the power she needed to get the future she wanted. Same with killing Dimitri in her route, she definitely didn't like it but though it was what she had to do. I think her just letting herself die in the other routes (insisting that byleth kills her, attacking Dimitri with the dagger so he can kill her) can be seen as more logical too, I don't think she wanted to die at all but thought her death was necessary at those points. She just went against her emotions a lot
I really like that Claude's Route seems to focus more on Almyra this time. Felt like a real missed opportunity to have some kind of arc for Claude in Almyra, which hopefully they go that direction.
Indeed the fact that we could get a good look at almyra is really interesting and differentiates this route from all the others,we might even have the Leicester alliance invade almyra
So, I’m not crazy for thinking this, right? Claude is the partial sibling of that one Almyran prince dude Shahiid right? He just didn’t fully recognize Claude, if I’m not mistaken.
Tbh Edelgards whole route in this felt like an apology for Crimson Flower I really hated her decision making in the original game, but now she's not hiding in the shadows and there's not as much maliciousness towards Rhea and the Church I really love the fact she's not trying to completely remove the church because of her establishment of the southern sect She just wants the church to not be in a position of power over the continent It's with this reasoning I'm hoping we can spare Rhea because in the end, all Rhea wants to do is protect Garreg Mach and her mothers grave
@@Jobocite i think it's likely that these routes are golden routes of the original. It's possible that Edelgard will team up with Rhea to fight the Agarthans. Same with Dimitri's route and sparing Edelgard. Claude's route will allow him to save Edelgard and Dimitri from fighting each other and all 3 teaming up
@@Jobocite Tbh I got the idea in the demo that Edelgard and Hubert are using the Southern church only as a buffer and not because they actually care about it. They're doing it to give a facade: aka look we have our own church again so you should follow it and not the central church. I don't think they're fully committed to the southern church either because they set it up mainly to punish Count Varley as well.
It's Golden Wildfire, and honestly, I never thought Claude was shafted in Verdant Wind, just that his heritage was decentered from the narrative in favor of his inquisitiveness.
@@MrGksarathy Nah he was 100% shafted bro was literally just doing church route story. We didn't even get to really learn about him real. Not even his name we got that in a TWEET! His king of unification arc got resolved in his end card slide and not in the actual story shafted potential 100%
@@malik2978 Nah, Silver Snow was the copy, and in VW, Claude was the main actor of that route, and it's his decisions that lead to the story beats being fulfilled.
Something outside of the lore that I'm liking about the demo is the whole aesthetic of the UI, how the cutscenes have a more dynamic camera (which helps to see their entire 3d models), the way their eyes and head moves actually move when talking and the lighting/filter for cutcenes as well. Those few small details for the cutscenes specifically really breathes more life to the setting and characters compared to 3Houses.
I just love that more characters are in these cutscenes now! It's not just Byleth and the Lords. You can see Felix, Dedue, etc in these cutscenes now, showing how important they are in their respective routes.
From dialogues from the first exploration in Three Houses and the changes in the Pre-Skip Three Hopes ... we can safely assume that one of the goals of the bandit attack aside from killing students that could pose an obstacle to the Empire and TWSD Claude and Dimitry especially was to allow Jeritza to lead one of the houses preferably the BE giving them more influence in the Academy ... Meaning Byleth in the original timeline, not just foils the bandit scheme, but also unexpectedly obstructs another of their schemes, drawing more attention from TWSD especially with Rhea taking such inexplicable actions, add to that the reemergence of a famed former captain of the Knights and that would definitely make them pay more attention which at the same time would limit Edelgards ability to move as she wants or even to oppose them In addition because of Rheas character, she takes time to evaluate Byleth in an safe environment by holding a mock battle, "wasting" time and so loosing the opportunity to rescue the real Monica ... Shez from the perspective of TWSD only foils the bandit attack but does not obstruct any of their other schemes immediately as Jeritza becomes a leader of a house, nor is the addition of one student enough to warrant that as much scrutiny, which is a lapse that give Edelgard an unexpected opportunity, with the later revelation I would not be surprised if it was her that orchestrated both the bandit remnants being intercepted and their rescue ... since TWSD dont have any reason to save disposable bandits on their own ... she also makes sure that Jeritza leads the overlooked wild card that is Shez into a conflict with TWSD ... and rescue someone who is loyal to her primarily ... In addition without Byleth Present Rhea does not focus on reawakening her mother and acts in a more as a proper leader originally
I really hope we see official art for Glenn Fraldarius, Felix's late brother. Hoping there is a flashback as I've always been curious on what he looked liked.
I'm a little disappointed that we couldn't see a little more of our young edgelord before he was forced to grow up, but it is intriguing nonetheless, especially with Rodrigue alive.
I'm intrigued by how they're handling it so far. Characters are acting in ways that seem reasonable and there hasn't been anything I'd call an ass-pull yet. I imagine the same Koei writers that did Three Houses are probably handling Three Hopes too. But yeah, looking good so far. :)
@toadtime123 age of calamity promised something that ended up not happening (which was quite clear from the demo alone), with Three Hopes they promised a different story and regardless of it’s quality that’s what we are getting.
It does seem like the writers did the sensible but uncommon thing of having a ton of small changes deriving off each other that culminate to a crazy diverging story. Definitely a lot more seemless than I thought it was gonna be (I expected "Byleth randomly bad and assaults Gerrig Mach for no reason" kind of clunk).
@@joemarais7683 if i remember correctly, three houses was written by koei tecmo writers which makes me believe three hopes doesn’t have different ones, so i never had any fear of something like that happening.
People have always been on and on about "Edelgard should have gone for TWSITD first" and now we got it. Thanks to Shez cockblocking Byleth, Jeritza got in, and Kostas was dead. That gave Edelgard the chance to cleanly get rid of them from the Empire. That gave so much new potential for making a clear declaration of war. As you mentioned, she no longer has any guilt by association. She also prevented the Remire massacre and also prevented students from being experimented on by the Agarthans to become Crest Beasts. So many things that people blamed Edelgard for because she was associated with the Agarthans no longer exist.
I think Remire might still happen, given that Solon was gone somewhere before he was apprehended. That may have been him setting up the rage toxin/curse.
@@MrGksarathy Even if something happens in Remire, Edelgard no longer can be blamed due to the whole “guilt by association” logic everyone went through.
Three Hopes feels very newcomer-unfriendly. The game seems to assume you’ve played all the routes in Three Houses, and thus has spoiler-y stuff up the ass. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but newcomers will probably be incredibly confused, not to mention spoiled on half the crazy things that happen in Three Houses.
Yeah I've played two and a half of the four routes in Three Houses plus the DLC story. Now it feels like I have to finish the rest before starting Three Hopes.
Yeah, and the massive amount of things to keep track of and the cast's strengths and weaknesses. I think it's great. Sequels should have an entry barrier that enhances the experience for those who are up to speed.
Seriously, i'm impressed on Three Hopes story/writing. I love how they are expanding the universe and the previously unseen characters. Protecc Monica.
Glad Edelgard doesn't seem to get shafted as hard as she did in the original game. I mean considering her entire plot was specifically designed to target 'those who slither in the dark' and yet her campaign simply ends after the battle with the church (and multiple chapters earlier than the other routes) before ever confronting them always felt like a slap in the face.
yeh it's a shame we didn't get to kill twsitd outserves however it is stated she does eradicate them in 3 houses, shame we didn't get 4-5 extra chapters to do so.
Three Hopes' Edelgard is showing what she meant when she told Petra in Three Houses "I am Edelgard von Hresvelg. And yes, I'm attempting to do what no one else can. I'm prepared to shoot two birds, or even three, with a single arrow"
The scariest part of the game wasn't facing the Ashen Demon in the prologue, it was the game using our save data to name this version's Byleth. Given the stories of 3H felt far from cohesive and at times unbalanced, there seems to be a focus on political intrigue. And it very much called my attention. * The difficult political decisions in Dimitri's route, during the empire's invasion * Edelgard turning against the TWSITD as soon as Monica was rescued * Claude's route incorporating his heritage, likely going to create family drama with his brother. I think the beginning definitely had pacing issues, a lot of plot threads quickly wrapped up, and certain points of the narrative seemingly 180's previous learnt plot elements. Whether or not the final story turns out well, we don't know.
In terms of canonicity, I would say that Hopes is just as relevant as the main routes in Houses. They're all based around different actions being taken anyway, so I see no reason why these should be written off as fanfiction or something, though I have seen this sentiment around unfortunately
Yeah seriously. Heroes alone blew the roof off that Fire Emblem is now a multiverse if Awakening and Fates didn't make it obvious already. Chances are those who are already calling Three Hopes "non-canon" likely just don't like the game. Same thing with Age of Calamity.
Which is absurd. How many times does FE and especially Heroes have to say that "anything is possible due to infinite worlds" Here's something IS could absolutely do. They could do an all villain banner where they won in their timeline. That way they can basically say "yes anything is possible"
@@MrSentinel07 In a way the issue is even worse with AoC. The Zelda timeline is already famous for being fucky with similar time travel shenanigans happening at the end of OoT
@@Hebleh People still bitch that Heroes is "non canon" despite Intsys straight up calling it the 15th main game (and later Echoes the 16th and Three Houses the 17th main game)
I know there are going to be some shortfalls, but as someone that truly enjoyed Three Houses, I loved the direction of the story in the demo. I am hoping the rest of the campaigns can keep up the intensity of and that this isn't just the best vertical slice they could have given us.
I think they try to wrap up the plots in Three Houses ASAP so that they can start something new. Hence the quick pace in the first three chapters. I'm still not too sure where the story is heading and whether it will flop, though. But I'm cautiously optimistic - it seems like the scriptwriter knows what he/she is doing, with the improvements in the conclusion of the previous plots and all.
@@melian5018 The fast pace in the demo is a problem. But I'm willing to forgive it if the main warriors game is good in 2 weeks. Because then we'll understand why they rushed thru the prologue to get to the meat and bones of the game.
@@l.n.3372 Glad someone agrees with me on this. Personally, I would have liked if there was a 5-6 chapter academy arc before we got to the Triple Threat.
One thing I really respect and appreciate is they put the critical point of divergence right at the beginning. They change and event from six months prior to the start of Three Houses, and use that to completely avert the first event of that plot proper. This leaves them wide open to do this, completely changing the political landscape to open up new plots, rather than trying to crowbar the new character and outcomes into an established cause and effect. It takes balls to go "Let's change EVERYTHING" and brains to have it make sense.
This story and also some of the supports seem to be extremely political in nature. And although my understanding of politics is almost... well.. non-existent, i reeeally like storys like that. Kinda weird, if i think about it. Also the fact that we meet characters we only heard about in Three Houses is extremely exciting. There are still characters, i'd like to meet like Mariannes father or Raphaels sister, but even if we don't get to meet them, i can't complain anymore in the slightest, since we got so much in that regard already. In terms of changes to the story... since it is a warriors game i expected big changes but so far there is no dealbreaker for me. They didn't pull any unacceptable shenanigans.... YET. I'm still cautious
6:35 I assume this was just a flub? Edelgard declares war after the two year time skip, having used those two years to build up her forces to at least partially make up for losing the Agarthan resources.
Yup and from the looks of things it was much harder to invade Garreg Mach this time arond as Hubert mentions in the AG route that they took heavily losses during the attack
Also means Byleth will definitely acquire the Sword of the Creator at some point, likely after Shez eventually gets the upper hand on them. Also although I agree they’ll come together in the end the relics themselves aren’t necessarily proof of that since every relic was obtainable in Azure Moon too.
@@pearsemolloy9656 If the achievement here means every relic obtainable on a single route, that could also be a NG+ only achievement possible too. In AM, it's only possible because Claude gives Dimitri the Failnaught, something that Claude doesn't do in any other route, obviously. Every other student etc was recruitable in AM too, so you could get all relics. It's impossible in CF and SS because you'd never get Aredbhar or Failnaught or (for CF specifically) Freikugel and Thunderbrand.
The biggest change I think is who we're following this time. In Three Houses we follow Byleth and what happens in each of the houses he chooses to teach. In Three Hopes, we follow the house leaders. The switch essentially lets us go from "if you pick this route, this will happen" to "all of these things are happening, we just happen to be present for different things based on who we choose to go with". As Shez, we're essentially just going along for a ride until we get to our next chance to fight Byleth. While I like it, I also worry that our insert character's own story becomes inconsequential. Hopefully Shez fighting Byleth becomes important in some way aside from forcing Sothis to awaken.
Maybe in the end Shez will realize that their revenge quest against Byleth was pointless and there are more important things to fight for. Similar to how Byleth sort of becomes more human through out the 3 houses routes since the early chapters imply they're pretty quiet and emotionless and Dmitri even says Byleth initially seemed like an emotionless machine of war.
Tbh in AM and VW, Byleth feels the most like he's just along for the ride too. AM is primarily about Dimitri's arc and Byleth is only there to support him thru it. But that route is the least about Byleth and his own background. While VW is more about Fodlan lore and not about Byleth lore. In VW, Claude is mainly driving the plot to uncover the truth and Byleth is tagging along for the ride. The only routes driven by Byleth are SS (obviously) and CF. Because Byleth makes the huge choice of Rhea vs Edelgard: the church vs the Empire. So Byleth drives both plots more and on SS, we learn about Byleth and his mother the most.
@@l.n.3372 True. Still, Byleth does act implicitly as the guiding hand throughout White Clouds and Part 2, and Shez doesn't really have that. Also, I'm not super impressed by their support conversations thus far, even if having them fully voiced is nice.
@@nuibaba280 Oh I'm aware, though personally, I think the voiced lines are making all the difference thus far. Maybe later supports will be more unique. Who's to say?
So far, I love all the changes. They all feel organic and logic, and just by altering a little variable, Shez surviving. They really did extensive worldbuilding in Fodlan, allowing all these kind of interesting scenarios to happen.
Honestly, I enjoy the focus on characters outside of the students. Having focus on the parents; and even characters like Monica does help expand the world alot more
I think it's interesting seeing the Slitherers reactions to Shez's power. They are genuinely surprised and even a bit spooked. Like for all their planning, Shez and their ability is something they never considered or expected, a true 'Outside Context' Problem.
That would be curious, since I now think that Shez is Fódlan's equivalent to Robin, as some Heart of Grima analog. Maybe they thought the experiment was a failure? Outside of Three Hopes it might as well have been.
One thing i notice. Both Shez(as they were seeking for Byleth for a rematch) and the trio lord were heading to Remire Village, but since the Knights of Serios decided to head back to the Monastery instead of continuing to Remire Village, Byleth and the trio lord are not able to meet each other at all.
I really hope Byleth isnt a forced villain in this, its already annoying that this is an alternate universe but going that far will really make me dislike Shez.
Ooh yeah cannot wait for the game's release! Its great that Edelgard's goal to war with the Church of Seiros is still intact but executed differently and actually allies with them first, sad to actually see Rufus playing the bad guy role and actually pleased Claude's story is well focusing on Claude and Almyra not a copy and paste story unlike Verdant Wind in Three Houses. A really unexpected twist that of all the characters to be chosen as 3rd professor now that Byleth is not present Jeritza is the one.
I think Jeritza as a prof may have been the Rhea’s original plan in 3H. It’s been a while but I remember some dialogue from a random student wondering why Byleth was suddenly made a professor when Jeritza had seemingly been brought there for the job
@@adagio9230 Jeritza was always meant to be the third professor yes. He was going to be the replacement for another unnamed and unseen person that was supposed to the be the new professor who "ran away" when the bandits attacked Edelgard and friends. Of course it was all orchestrated by Edelgard and the Slitherers to get Jeritza that position to ensure things would always go her way. So Byleth being made Professor instead threw everything out of whack for her and the Slitherers. Shez not only allowed the plan to go off without a hitch, by killing Kostas early they greatly accelerated it and emboldened Edelgard to cut ties with the Slitherers before they were able to do any real lasting damage.
The interesting thing isn't the story changes it's how they worked in the knowledge that the characters would actually have at the time that they would take place. This is important as it helps describe the reasons behind them.
Something that I find interesting Is that there are some changes between routers that don't makes sense, if you choose the Golden deers your first mision after the timeskip Is to protect the great bridge from the empire, while if you choose Black Eagles your first mision Is to march towards the monastery and your camp Is already in Alliance territory
@@Hebleh he says that but in Golden deer It Is implied that you are depending the bridge before the empire cross It and in Black Eagles the empire just cross It without any problem
@@nawakening370 I mean. Acheron and Lorenz's father are believed to be capable of betraying the alliance on Claude's route, meanwhile it's outright confirmed on Edelgard's that they are allied to the empire. So maybe Claude's route starts just before that happens, which may mean that Claude loses the first battle, or Shez made a change on the war.
The gameplay is fun, and I can even say it is good, but it feels a way more repetative than strategic FE. For me the decisive point if I enjoy doing 3 playthrough or it would be torture in the end instead. I've complete original TH 4 times, and still kinda want to come back to the game
I personally think pacing wise, this game does a good job with it's story and gameplay. Just like 3Houses, it threw you into things, jumped along very quickly the first few months, and then got to a point where it started to have a steady progression once prologue is out of the way. That and the fact, that's majority of the complaints I see about the game is weird, cause after prologue, only a single chapter is playable after timeskip, so it might seem weird compared to 3Houses in some ways, but in others, it's the same, if not done slightly different for the sake of not repeating all of the monastery majority of us have put hundreds of hours into before. For that, I appreciate it, cause obviously alot of stuff was still reused from 3Houses, and a good bit of 3Houses was touched on to pay homage(I guess?) To 3Houses, but in a way to make this game not just a repeat of it. I didn't even play the first FE Warriors game, but I'm excited for this one, and am still enjoying the demo. Sidenote, it makes no sense to say it's confusing(they explain nicely IMO), and technically if you played 3Houses before this game and vice versa, they both would spoil atleast some stuff for each other, as a sequel/prequel probably would do in almost all cases.
@@rhettmitchell there's no need, basics of story/people/characters and places are all related to the same as they were before. So whether you played 3Houses or not, as s long as you pay attention to in game info, dialogue, and read things thoroughly, everything up til that point is almost all explained, if not just some minor things here and there. As they were in 3Houses, and only the first non prologue chapter is even available, so we have no idea when/which questions will be answered and how. It's not any different than if you played this game first, then went and tried 3Houses after(as a decent amount of people probably will), you'd pretty much be getting all the same tools, world, and lore, just a different piece/perspective of it, with a slightly altered timeline. That, and it's obviously a game aiming for replayability, so obviously, they probably expect you to miss a few pieces you'll pick up on your following playthrough.
It's fine to be brief with the academy stuff that isn't needed. But this demo has pacing issues. I think Ghast spoke to this well during his streams. Black Eagles goes from like 0 to 50 to 500 insanely fast. It's unrealistic to expect a bunch of newly trained students to be able to infiltrate Enbarr and arrest Duke Aegir and Arundel that soon - not to mention that half the Black Eagles didn't even attend this mission. It's a mission of very unrealistic proportions for such an early stage in the game. I mean think about it. It probably took place less than 3/chapters months into the academy phase. Most units wouldn't even be in their advance classes yet at that point in the story, yet somehow they can arrested Duke Aegir and chase away Arundel by now?
@L.N. I agree to an extent, I haven't played or seen the Black Eagles route, so can't speak for that one. But is it really more realistic they wouldn't defeat people like Arundel/Rufus/Ect? As far as I'm aware, they might be experienced but in the end, aren't they just normal people? And I don't mean status/position wise, I mean as in power(supernatural or not)/capabilities in combat, with an army facing an army? They might have the crown/fancy armor, but they are just a better than average person as in power? I might be wrong, so my bad if so, but also just I guess another way to look at it. And they added more veteran characters during the "big chapters" of the prologue(holst, rodrigue, shamir, ect) to atleast give them an even better chance/ability to win said fights, and the battle itself would sound absurd if it was literally just some academy students busting in a capital city alone, and taking over, but with veteran characters on the field, and a whole army, and above average capability academy students sounds a bit more reasonable as a whole. One thing I don't understand and didn't know for lack of knowledge on BlackEagles, is that a good bit of that house wasn't in their big last Paralogue battle, that sounds stupid tbh, so I see the complaint there. Plus in all seriousness, it gives me hope that those are early bosses/figures, gets me excited that there will be even crazier/powerful antagonists, but that's just me. But it does sound like the Black Eagles might of been slightly overdone with the jumping points, but we can't really say in the grand scheme if it's "too early" for those people to die, cause we don't know everything that is come after them I guess. I would say IMO, what I saw in Blue Lions and Golden Deer, seemed perfectly fine atleast. But I'll hold my thoughts on Black Eagles, cause I honestly don't know, other than what you listed in your comment.
I love how that rescuing Monica is the trigger to change the entire timeline Also I'm so happy they confirmed that Cornelia is actually Cleobulus. That in addition with all the other characters appearing, it really looks like Intsys took into consideration the criticism of the fanbase
Rescuing Monica isn't the trigger. The trigger is that Shez already has their Enlightened/awakened powers and a special sword. While Byleth didn't upon meeting the Lords initially. Shez gives them new options now that Byleth didn't, because Byleth doesn't get the sword of the creator until months later. And doesn't fuse with Sothis until nearly the end of the academy phase.
Probably the same event that will cause the houses leaders work together, since we've seen hints of that in thrailers, id imagine the agarthans will make some big attack meaning they'll have to join against them rather than be the last of the three houses standing
I found Shahid's reaction to Claude to be a bit hilarious, he kept saying that Claude looks like his horror of a little brother. It's probably because of the political ramifications that outing the leader of the alliance as a Prince of Almyra would bring, but I find it funny to just imagine that Shahid just has bad eyesight and actually can't recognize Claude.
Shahid also seems to be an arrogant buffoon who has no idea where his brother could have gone, so he probably just didn't put two and two together yet.
Honestly, I wasn't expecting that much from the story since Warriors games don't have the best track record. But Three Hopes is a delight. It really does feel like an alternate timeline. Certain elements happen and don't happen due to the special circumstances.
In my opinion, this is better than three houses story wise. Characters have a lot more consistency and TWISTD is done with sooner which I think makes the story flow much better
Nothing will ever top AM, but I love that TWSITD are gonna be irrelevant for the main conflict. They were interesting lore pieces but that was it. They more often than not ruined alot of the story beats for me. I'm really looking forward to 3 Hopes
@@justinianthe1st790 Again, no. We see Dimitri fighting Thales in one of the trailers for example. And Arval is so bluntly the Agarthan god that it isn't even funny. Ironically, Dimitri actually fighting them fixes most of the major problems with his writing and with his terribly put together belief system he espouses towards the end of AM
Also, don't forget the time skip this time around is only 2 years. Byleth was "asleep" for 5 years in the three houses. We'll probably get to see/play *through a lot of story beats that were sadly absent in the original game, save from some exposition. Such as the seize of the church of Seiros, since it was already empty ruins once Byleth woke up.
This time skip isn't 2 years. One of those years was the academy year, remember? Rhea closed the monastery because nobody came back. So one of these 2 years is just the academy year without Garreg Mach. So we're actually only a single year into time skip now.
she actually feels like a more proper leader of a church and academy in Three Hopes I guess not having a vessel to her mother's spirit distracting her helps a ton
I keep rambling, but the mere fact that Byleth not being involved with the 3 house leaders and having them go through a different path (and on first impression, a better one), really makes you feel like Byleth was not a good influence at all 😅
I wouldn't say Byleth wasn't a good influence, their deal is moreso that they were just incredibly passive, characterwise, which lead to them waiting for the other characters to make decisions that lead them forward in life, whether said characters were allies or enemies notwithstanding. Shez seems to be much more driven and active as a character so they force other characters to react to the changes they bring about just as often as they themselves react to what others do, which greatly shakes up events like how Shez offing Kostas early massively dominoes into Edelgard's team up with the Church.
@@rotciv557 I agree with this take, and also, I feel the early game actually did a good job showing the positive influence Byleth actually had in bonding the class, since with Jeritza at the helm, the dynamic was far more awkward and stilted, and Shez, unlike Byleth, did not notice the darker sides of the 3 lords, implying that Byleth is actually a decent judge of character.
@@MrGksarathy but byleth doesn't really do anything to stop the characters from making their decisions. Eldegard still causes a 5 year war. Dimitri goes mad, claude....does absoutly nothing involving his story
@@rotciv557 I guess a bad influence is saying that they influence something and that is saying too much haha 😅 But I agree. Shez being more active does make things very different.
@@MrGksarathy I think the reason Shez doesn't see the bad in the Lords, so to speak, is simply because Shez is more human. As someone who acts more human, Shez is inclined to see the positive in people. Byleth sees the positive and the negative because they're just a cold, emotionless Ashen Demon at that point. Thus, when they evaluate the Lords, they can see shadows of darkness.
I'm going to make a prediction that we will be able to see most of these major nobility heads that are referenced lot. If not all of them. I also think we will see Claude's father too. If not a major boss fight
It would be funny if the plottwist is that...it's just a common misconception internally because these people spent a lot of time in their disguises and thus the name is the biggest indicator.
@@l.n.3372 Speaking of Jeritza, not a huge fan of how the game sidestepped any potential story of him being a professor for Shez's house while being a bad teacher. I was interested to see what would happen, but then the academy closed.
I really enjoyed 3 hopes. The whole thing felt like it was made by someone at IS that has a whole book of notes of worldbuilding that they never got to express in the main game.
@@nuibaba280 it’s nice to have an actual character at the helm of the story this time around. Someone who can actually have two way conversations with the rest of the cast. No disrespect to Byleth though I like them too.
I really wish they would have let Fleche be playable in this game. Randolph has some line about how she's too young and weak to fight when she turns out to be an assassin later on. It's so sad that they set her, Randolph and Ladislava, among others, to the side again. At least they let us have Monica though
I'm definitely intrigued by this game and cannot wait for the full release. Spoilers below on certain aspects for those who want to avoid spoilers until the full game: I've heard that many characters will be route locked this time around. I'm both very happy yet simultaneously torn on this concept. It's what I had always wanted for the main game too. But based on data mining, some of the choices seem very random. Not enough characters are route locked for my tastes: I say go big or go home. And I'm very confused as to why a few specific characters are now route locked when they have little reason to be.
Groan It's a monkey's paw wish. We'll get characters that are route specific, but according to you some of the choices of characters are random, and that makes it pretty obnoxious. Unless the game can give a perfect reason why people would defect to Edelgards army, it's just silly for anyone to fight for her. It just makes me think less of the characters. If i were to explain myself why I think each character shouldn't be present in her route we would be here all day. All I will say is that there a couple of characters that never should be able to defect to her army, period. Ingrid and Annette. That's jumping the shark to a ludicrous extreme. I even think Ashe and Caspar fighting on her behalf to be absurd. Especially Ashe. As for other armies? I can buy them wanting to support them if for no other reason then to stop Edelgard. Which was for all intents and purposes the reason in other routes in 3 Houses. But Edelgard? It was a reach then and its especially a reach now.
@@justinianthe1st790 Do you want spoilers from the data mining? If so, see below: In the data mine, these Black Eagles are route locked (Edelgard, Hubert, Ferdinand, and Caspar). Any other Black Eagles can go anywhere. I'm confused as to why Bernadetta and Linhardt aren't route locked too, given their fathers. For the Blue Lions, all are route locked except for Mercedes and Ashe. Mercedes can join the Black Eagles, which makes sense given Jeritza. Ashe can go anywhere. This is fine. In the Golden Deer, only Claude and Hilda are route locked. But Lysithea and Leonie can join the Empire. I could understand Lysithea maybe. But why would Leonie join Edelgard? And why can't Leonie join the Kingdom? Seems very strange re: Leonie here. As for the other units, this makes more sense. Jeritza seems to be able to join the Blue Lions, probably for Mercedes. Catherine is locked to the Blue Lions, again pretty self explanatory. Shamir is available on all but seems to be Golden Deer only in the demo. Seteth and Flayn don't appear route locked which makes no sense: why would they join the Black Eagles unless it's a church route?
@@l.n.3372 Just to give my thoughts on what you said: Could Leonie possibly be joining BE if Jeralt joins Edelgard as a merc given what Golden Wildfire said about the Alliance being too peaceful for work, and that the coming war has every merc scrambling to join a side? I mean we never see where Byleth and Jeralt are after the tutorial, but maybe they always join one side of the war to make the routes stand out (like Scarlet Blaze being the only route to interact with them in a non-hostile way [Probably as a shock], while the other routes are a "Surprise! They fight for the enemy." kind of deal).
@@l.n.3372 This...is so hard to believe. I feel like precisely because of how surreal it is we may have to wait until the full game. Monica is literal simp, why would she defect? Ashe and Mercedes? I can kinda accept Mercie, but again I think Ashe leaving is silly. Really I'm more shocked at any of the eagles leaving. Their chance was the beginning of the route. They accepted going to war, now they will suddenly defect...that's silly. Jeritza defecting?! Okay that is something even more absurd. Sure he's not the DK in this timeline, but I find it hard to believe he would leave Edelgard after all he's been through. He didnt do that even when Mercedes requested him to join her side. Again he was the DK and killed quite a number of people, so perhaps that's a valid reason. But him leaving when they just waged war is too silly as well. I'm gonna say this data mine could have some inaccuracies. But I guess we will see.
@@bubbles784 Spoilers on my thoughts to your ideas: I don't think I'd like that at all. I'm guessing either Byleth becomes friendly with ALL or NONE. It's not really fair if only one side has Byleth, right? It also wouldn't make sense for Leonie to abandon everything to join Edelgard - especially when Edelgard was complicit with Jeralt death. That was my issue with her in CF in the base game too. Jeralt also may or may not die in this game too, so I really don't know. We saw him in the trailers and Sothis says that Byleth still wants revenge.
Until now, my favorite detail of this story is...well, the existance of Claude's route to begin with. It was purely created by the in-narrative butterfly effect(Which is actually passively referenced in the dialogue, funnily enough), the timeskip is literally 2 years of nothing happening as Claude leaves Shez out to dry and it has the coolest setup for its plotlines imo. It is the perfect mix of playing into the game's concept, being entertaining/funny and being intriguing in where it will go.
Tbh that's also why it feels weird that Shez wasted his time with the Alliance. At least in the other 2 routes, Shez was busy for those 2 years in a row. I'm surprised Claude gave Shez nothing to do for 2 whole years.
This is actually why I don't like Golden Wildfire for now. The gang split off, fucked around, and then got called back when the war started, unlike the other Houses, who worked closely together for those 2 years. It makes the Deer seem even less friendly than they were in the initial White Clouds and more just associates as Arval called them.
@@l.n.3372 Shez spent their time trying to get by since they trusted Claude. Shez was training and protecting some areas even if there wasn't as much to fight.
Unless I remember wrong, isn't it also the route where even tho they spent way less time together, Shez insists on the Golden Deer being his friends? I feel like the atmosphere of everyone becoming good friends so easily is meant to tie into the japanese name of the Route, Yellow Bonfire.
@@lpfan4491 That's the part I honestly struggle to take seriously. I found myself agreeing with Arval that they were mere associates, even if they were incredibly trusting. Also, because of how static they were in comparison to the other Houses, it feels even less real.
Seteth has always been portrayed as skeptic and a little paranoid. Heck, his disguise for him and flayn are as brother and sister, its like..dude you can protray yourself as father and daughter you know.
He probably still can transform in that cutscene. He just chose his human form at that battle. We know he eventually lost the ability to transform after centuries. But we have the saint statues in the monastery that show what Indech and Macuil looked like in their human forms too.
This is something that i love in both age of calamity and three hopes, one character is introduced leading to a less tragic story. Tragedy isn’t for everyone so having dojng something like this where people can have their tragic stories as well as the happy ones is just fantastic
@@starlyte1320 The issue with age of calamity is that everything advertises the game as the opposite. The marketing, the name, the setting...It's basically just attracting the wrong audience at that point.
@@lpfan4491 totally agree, the marketing is why i didn’t buy it at first when i learned that it wasn’t a prequel and was a totally different story, bought it right away
If Byleth and Jeralt never go to garag Mach then I wonder if they’ll have a significant role in the story later on with a different purpose. Assuming Sothis’s relationship with Byleth hasn’t changed and Byleth still has the crest of flames because of this then Byleth could potentially be a very dangerous antagonist if Nintendo wanted to go that route. As for Jeralt it would be really nice to see his relationship with other characters like alois fleshed out more, and to see Jeralt have some influence on a world where he isn’t killed by twsintd
Well we see in ghe awakened rivals trailer that Byleth definitely still has Sothis power and is even in there fused form but we don't know how this happed.
I really hope Dimitri/Blue Lions route is more satisfying. Like, in Houses, his main opponent was always Edelgard and when she dies and the game ends, it leaves you with a satisfied feeling. Until you play the other three routes and realize Edelgard wasn't the true main enemy, there was someone else pulling the strings. After I played the other three, his route felt like a "gotcha!" Moment, like "haha u thought she was the main enemy?" That's why I hope his storyline is much more fulfilling.
It's not a gotcha at all. For Dimitri, Edelgard is the narrative conclusion to his arc. To do anything else would have been a bait and switch. Plus he kills Cornelia and Arundel early because they're less important to him in the grand scheme of things.
@@l.n.3372 Yeah, Dimitri's arc in Three Houses is dealing with the ghosts of his past, unlike Edelgard, whose arc is about ostensibly throwing off the shackles she feels are holding the continent back, and Claude, whose arc is about getting a better picture of the actual truth so he may open up Fódlan to a new, outward-looking future, all while learning to slowly open his own heart.
from playing the demo I get the feeling that what we played were not in order, there were many things cut out like how we didnt even have battalions and most of our units couldnt even promote until post timeskip. I feel like the pacing for the actual game will be alot slower since they will fill in the blanks
@@bld9826 I know they carry over but the structure was just weird, like how it kept saying Prologue and how we really did not get any tutorial until after time skip. Maybe it is like that but I don't think the chapters will be like they are in the full game
You've got a point, but I'm not holding my breath here. I feel the pacing was accelerated because the game assumes we've spent hundreds of hours with 3H.
I have a feeling the bulk of the game takes place in the war arc just because they know most people have already played through the almost identical academy arc at least 3 separate times already. The War arc is where the paths have the most potential to really diverge.
I’m pretty sure the Arganthan that had the same awakened form as Shez from the intro flashback was actually just Arval. If you look closely the sleeves and gown it’s the same. Assuming I’m correct this means that Arval actually seems to have had a direct conflict with Seiros/Rhea and the Saints. Which is really interesting since Arval was hinted by the box art to have more of a conflict with Sothis.
Either that was Arval in the into cutscene, or an Agarthan who fused with Arval. But yeah I agree, I caught that too and was wondering who that Agarthan was in the intro.
@@l.n.3372 This seems to imply that Arval fuses with a chosen Agarthan akin to the Heart of Grima from Awakening. Shez might have been an experiment to reincarnate Arval who was discarded as a failure.
I love the direction this game is going. It definitely seems to be made for fans of Three Houses in order to answer all those lingering plot threads. I'm curious about Cleoubolus being male? That's gotta have some significants
I'm just happy we learn Cornelia's true Agarthan name. We knew Thales, Kronya and Solon. But saying Cornelia was false because that was the disguise: it wasn't the real Agarthan name.
God this games story is fucking amazing. Being able to use all the info from three houses and successfully creating an enticing "What if" situation without sacrificing what we've previously known.
Obviously a little sloppy in places but I'll be damned if I don't recognize that they've faithfully remained true to the original storyline, answering a lot of the questions we had from three houses and expanding on the setting.
I just wish the Academy phase wasn't so truncated because I feel the war has less impact now, and the bonds between the students of each house feel less meaningful. That, and I want my cross-house supports, dammit!!
The bonds between the students still happen since they live in the same territory together. The ones who are extensively connected to each other still are. There was multiple timeskips and they've spent months together.
@@nuibaba280 But we don't get to see it, which is a problem in my eyes. I was looking forward to seeing how Shez would specifically bond with the students in peacetime in the environment of the academy because that was a highlight of White Clouds and made the whole thing all the more real. Also, even the demo makes it clear that they hadn't all been in the same place for 2 years after spending only 4 months together.
I can see what you're saying, and I agree about wanting cross house supports/hopefully atleast some recruiting available. But I feel with the fact majority of the story is gonna take place during the actual wars/we still have to see what's to come when full game comes out story wise especially, and lastly they will be building bonds with true comrade's in arms with their mid timeskip altered personalities during a (hopefully) dramatic/epic war that's going on will make for real/interesting bonds to be made. But that's just a different more positive way to look at the way they executed it.
I took Jeritza's sniffing to just be a lie told to the knights of Seiros to justify going in a different direction than the church planned. In other words, he wanted to go to this fortress and just made sniffing the blood up.
You know this is just me sprouting out a wild Theory but they bring Nemesis back in Claude's route I hope they give him some sort of relevance to the overall plot of the route rather than being just a boss at the end, like reveal that Nemesis was originally from Almyra
@@MrGksarathy I didn't say it was a good theory, I just was saying add something that kind of adds him to the overall presentation of the story rather than being at the end no explicit reason. As much as I love Nemesis as a boss, he felt a little tagged on
While Claude's route still seems to be the case of being the more disconnected route from the other two, the setups for the conflicts differ greatly. I doubt the route is just going to play cleanup-party for the lore anymore. Aka, there most likely won't be a need to write some nonsense tie-in for Nemesis, because I can't even imagine him appearing this time. Unless the routes really converge.
@@lpfan4491 I liked that he played cleanup party for the lore because it was very in character and something I appreciated. Also, I think Nemesis was the perfect final boss for Claude because he represented the bloody history of Fódlan itself that the Deer had to defeat in order to strike forward into a brighter future.
So I don’t know if this has been pointed out yet, and my apologies if it has; but in the Blue Lions route in Three Hopes- Ingrid, Dimitri, and Felix get their heroes relics right away and Sylvain did not. Initially I thought was weird. But I figured out why, it’s because you don’t hunt down Miklan in the Prologue like you do in White Clouds. So theoretically, Miklan is still running around out there with the Lance of Ruin.
Or Miklan never got the chance to steal the relic so Sylvain father is still in possession of it. It's impilled that Miklan only stole the Lance shortly before the mission in question so with the Kingdom stuck in civil unrest Matthias was probably in the field using it.
This demo was incredible, though I have one question. Does the save data from the demo able to be transferred to a physical version of the final game? Or is only when pre ordering the digital version
@@FlautistAcacia ok, so is just a you have save data from a demo do you want to transfer it pop up. Or do you need to do more for the physical version bc I prefer physical
Edelgard looks so much better since she doesn't have to associate with the Agarthans, but it does make her look dumb for even doing/considering it in the first place.
It gives her CF counterpart less moral high ground to stand on. Especially since she didn't try to save Monica, prevent Jeralt death or prevent Flayn from getting kidnapped originally. But now, she prevents all of those by simply betraying Arundel earlier.
@@l.n.3372 Betraying Arundel became a possibility because of a number of small butterfly effects caused by the presence of Shez. For example, Monica was saved because the bandits were stopped by Shez and the lords before they reached Remire village. So the lords never meet Byleth, and Byleth is never brought to The Officers Academy, with Jeritza being named an instructor instead. Jeritza answers directly to Edelgard, meaning he can pull strings to get his class any assignment that Edelgard wants his class to have. She couldn't do this with Byleth since she hadn't earned Byleth's full support yet, meaning Byleth would just take any assignment given by Rhea without fuss. The entire first month after Byleth's arrival was spent getting used to the academy, and a mock battle designed to test the students skills, and the skills of Byleth as an instructor. This waste of time meant that the opportunity to save Monica in that first month was lost. In Three Hopes, Jeritza bypasses the mock battle and arranges it so that his class is put on bandit duty at just the right time to make a rescue possible. Both the remaining bandits and Monica would be at the same place, making this a perfect opportunity. Edelgard was able to rescue Monica under the pretense of just stopping the bandits, where she "conveniently" happens to discover Monica being held captive there. Good thing instructor Jeritza had the good sense to have us check the basement. Nice job professor. *wink* The key is that she could mount a rescue without actually making it look like she was mounting a rescue. In Three Houses, Byleth and his class were given a completely different assignment for their first job together. Edelgard would have to completely disobey orders and convince Rhea to send them on an entirely different assignment. Rhea would have to ask why Edelgard wanted to change the mission objective, and Edelgard wouldn't have an answer that didn't make her look suspicious as hell. If she mentioned wanting to examine the bandits main base, Rhea would say that the investigation wasn't a priority right now and that Byleth still needed more time to get accustomed to the academy, the students, and the responsibilities of a teacher. If Edelgard mentioned wanting to look for Monica, Rhea would ask why exactly Edelgard was so sure she could track her down and what exactly all this had to do with the bandits. Trying to rescue Monica in the main timeline would have raised WAY too many questions and put Edelgard's entire plan at risk. In Three Hopes, as Edelgard says, the bandits and Monica just happen to be in the same place at the same time, making mounting a rescue a pretty simple feat to pull off. Monica could then expose "Tomas" as the one who kidnapped her, and Edelgard could easily piggyback off Tomas' recent unmasking to point out how strange her "Uncle's" behavior has been lately and let it slip that maybe they should look into him too. She could do all this without making herself look suspicious in the slightest. The recent situation with Tomas would just make Edelgard's doubts about her uncle seem completely reasonable. This also prevents Flayn from getting captured, since Thales would have no power over Edelgard anymore and would be unable to make use of Jeritza's Death Knight persona to kidnap Flayn. As for why she's so ready to cut ties with Thales this time, that's simple. She has Shez, and Shez has already awakened his/her equivalent to Byleth's Godess power mode. Remember that Edelgard was much more willing to distance herself from Thales in Crimson Flower when she had Byleth's full power behind her. She didn't use Thales manufactured monsters in her army and she flat out refused him when he proposed the idea of world conquest. The power of Byleth made Thales mostly unnecessary. If it wasn't for the fact that she had the Church's army to worry about too at the same time, she probably would have tried to eliminate Thales in the main game as well. In Three Hopes, Rhea still has no idea about what Edelgard is planning to do, meaning Edelgard doesn't need to worry about the church mounting an attack against her at this point, and she knows that Rhea will be more than happy to help expose any TWSITD members. All she has to do is put Rhea on Thales scent and the church will readily agree to help remove him from power. Once Thales is gone, Edelgard can then make the preparations to use her own army and Shez' power to take the church down when she's good and ready. None of these options were present in Crimson Flower. By the time Edelgard had Byleth's power at her full disposal, the war was already about to begin. Monica was already dead. The Flame Emperor had been linked to TWSITD. Jeralt was an unintended casualty, and her father wasn't long for this world, meaning Edelgard had no choice but to make the trip to the Imperial Capital, take the throne and make the final preparations for the start of the war. By the time she had the means to oppose Thales in Three Houses, she was already out of time. That isn't the case in Three Hopes. She had both time, and most importantly, opportunity that never presented itself in the original Three Houses.
The butterfly effects created by Shez' presence changed things just enough that it created opportunities for her that weren't present in the original game. Like with Monica for instance, she was only able to be rescued because Jeritza had his class placed on bandit duty one month earlier than Byleth in the original game. This is what created the opportunity to save Monica and that rescue resulted in TWSITD being exposed super early. So Edelgard was able to have them eliminated without making herself look suspicious in the process. It's not that she was stupid in Three Houses. It's just that things never quite fell into place for her in that game so that she could make the moves she is making here. She wasn't on Bandit duty in the first month of Three Houses. Instead, she had to participate in a simple mock battle, which cost her the only chance she would have had to rescue Monica and set all of this in motion.
I've never really been into alternate timelines, but I actually really like what they're done so far with what was in the demo. I like how all the changes flow logically from one point to the next. It doesn't feel like an asspull. I'm also really glad that the stories diverge so early. I had a real tough time getting through the 3rd and 4th playthroughs in Three Houses because of those 1st 12 chapters...
In fact I think the one thing I'm kind of skeptical about is the eventual rematch with Byleth. Maybe its because the merc friends Shez is getting revenge for were generic models that were only on screen for a couple minutes, maybe its because the conflict spawned from the two groups being hired by opposing sides instead of there being some kind of battle of ideals, but the revenge ambition feels flimsy at best and actively disinteresting at worst. Like, all I can really think to say to Shez is "get over it, p***y". If the game just gets to a point and Shez is suddenly all "ok, now I'm strong enough to kill the Ashen Demon", I imagine it'll feel pretty unsatisfying. Still, the writing has been pretty great so far, so here's hoping for the best on that front.
I got a small whiplash when, in no time at all, we're already playing a post time skip. On top of it all, they literally leave the school in no time at all.
I can't help but fanboy all over this game and how it gives us so much lore. If nothing else, we will at least have got lore and charcter reveals we wouldn't have otherwise, and I love it.
The fact that got the most part almost EVERYTHING is better without Byleth in the drivers seat will forever be funny to me lol. Like with Sothis control over time I head Canon Byleth and Sothis eventually unlocking the Doctor Strange timellines thing and then just sitting down to contemplate existence
@@Manavine I think at some point, it will seem like it's improving. But the turning point might be when Arval gets their memories back. We don't know who or what Arval is, after all. It will all go downhill if Arval betrays Shez, and forces Shez to betray the Lords. That could be the turning point where Byleth needs to step back in and restore peace and balance again.
@@l.n.3372 Something tells me that Arval isn't exactly loyal to the Agarthan cause, and in any case, this one is an entirely new incarnation, unburdened by decisions of their past lives.
@@MrGksarathy It's interesting for sure. Arval sees Kronya and willingly admits it brings mixed emotions. Not affection or hatred but simply ... Emotion. It's clear that Arval has a connection to the Agarthans and recognized them. But Arval cannot remember enough to know why.
with how story goes so far I say that the only different between route is which factions Shez is staying Azure Gleam 4 and Golden WIldfire 4 start after Scarlet Blaze 4 the entire timeline likely be the same and the end goal will be similar the different is Shez making the skirmishing win or lose for whichever side they pick
Yeah I noticed something similar. Blue Lions final demo chapter is after Edelgard has already taken Garreg Mach. And then Dimitri accepts church refugees into Faerghus. So we KNOW Edelgard will capture the monastery in every route: she's already done such when you play Blue Lions. Thus, it's simply a perspective matter. Shez with Edelgard will capture the monastery directly vs Shez with Dimitri will learn about it from afar. It's definitely a single timeline now, which is a nice change from 3 Houses where the routes did not converge.
@@l.n.3372 Yup and Edelgard going through the Allaince boarder with out permission brings Claude into the War as they are worried they will be invading next
@@4wheal It's slightly more complicated for Claude tho. In the Golden Deer, he seems nervous that she will invade Leicester next. But in Black Eagles, count Gloucester and Acheron already gave Edelgard land to use for her camp base within the Alliance. So those cannot be the same situation, or else why doesn't Claude realize in Golden Deer that Edelgard is already in the Alliance territory?
@@l.n.3372 Unknown but it's made clear at this point in Golden Wildfire that the empire has been moving soldiers through alliance territory with out permission. It seems short sighted on Edelgard part as this means she is pulling the Kingdom and Allaince into her war a lot sooner then she seems ready for.
@@4wheal Oh! I didn't remember that Claude acknowledged that Edelgard is already in Alliance territory. If that's the case, then there's no plot holes at all. However, if that IS the case, then why doesn't Claude call out count Gloucester for this in Golden Deer? Shouldn't Claude accuse the count of treason by allowing Edelgard to have Alliance territory?
Maybe I was trippin but I noticed that some characters were slightly rewritten? Like Felix is less of a dick to Dimitri after the time skip I was mindfucked when he referred to him as "Your Majesty" lol
Not really. He was much less of a dick because he received his father‘s title and a lot of the events in three houses never happened. Also Dimitri didn’t become a madman lol.
Felix is less of a dick to Dimitri because Dimitri is less of a bloodthirsty monster this time around. One of Felix's main gripes with Dimitri is that he forsook his kingdom in the name of revenge, which destabilized the kingdom and made life harder for everyone. That's changed this time around, as Dimitri took up the crown and is less focused on revenge, most likely because he killed Rufus, who to Dimitri is responsible for the royal family's death.
@@emperorjoker9240 I do remember before the time skip he still referred to him as "The Boar" though so I thought he had some animosity against him still but I could be wrong.
@@MitoRequiem In the C support with Shez(protag)+Felix he still calls him a boar. Which isn't available til after you start at base camp. I think he still sees him as a boar in some way, but he one is more professional as he has to be for his position, and two, in that cutscene he said "your majesty", he was accompanied by other political figures and lords, so in a more professional setting he shows respect, but in a 1 on 1 convo with a peer, he is a bit more sharp with his words, but it's not overdone, I think characters having more sides/different ways of presenting themselves, as that is what some humans do based on your circumstances or who you may be interacting, so I think it is more realistic the way they've presented so far.
i'm not a fan of the warriors games (they're the fastest way to hand cramps imo) but oooh man am i definitely wanting to get this one for all the story
Was it the Agarthans that teleported the bandits into their stronghold? Like, tactically, it doesn't make any sense for them to do so, they don't care about the bandits survival, and it'd only lead the Knights of Seiros closer to them. I feel like it's more likely for Edelgard to have had her hand in this, since we also see her and Hubert make use of warp-magic in Three Houses as well. I also find the circumstances around the 2 year timeskip interesting, as in the base game, the 5 year timeskip happens DURING the war, and we only get to see the end of it and the results, but here, the 2 year timeskip is to PREPARE for the war, which on one hand means she thinks she can make up for the support she lost from the Agarthans with just 2 years more prep-time interestingly, which we have yet to see how well that goes since the Agarthans beasts were actually a huge help against Rhea as the Immaculate One for example, and that's something Edelgard can't just replicate in 2 years I'd assume, but it also puts us towards the beginning of the war... which ironically plays out very similarly to the end of the war we witnessed as Byleth... So far, I definitely enjoyed the changes in Edelgards route the most, as they really explain how and why this route is so different from the original Three Houses, but I doubt it'll stay this way since from here out, the game seems to very much follow a completely original path that doesn't really require much explanation in how it came to differ from Three Houses. I like Dimitris route giving us a more complete explanation of what was behind the Tragedy of Duscur in just telling us that the one that killed Lambert was Rufus, and it was also interesting to see that they were actually able to reconstruct more exactly what happened during the Tragedy through following Rufus' and Cornelias business-interactions from back then, which also probably means Dimitri was able to find most of this stuff out in Three Houses after everything was said and done... however, we didn't really get anything about what role Dimitris mother played in all of this yet either, why Cornelia made a deal with her when she already had another guy on the inside with Rufus... As much as I love the Golden Deer, I feel like they're probably the weakest route so far and probably will stay, since... fitting for Claude, the outsider, the alliance is just kinda a third party for the most part, which kinda made Verdant Wind the least interesting route in the base-game as well if it wasn't for the lore... which is now an advantage that Golden Wildfire probably won't have anymore, there's not much more new lore to be gained that we wouldn't also gain from the other 2 routes, so it needs a new hook. And looking at the datamines, there might be one, but I'm not sure if that'll be enough.
@@MrGksarathy Still though, the Agarthans had no reason to keep the Bandits safe in the first place, they could've just slaughtered them way before they made it even close to the stronghold and kept the knights away that way, basically how they did it in base-3H.
It's cool, but in Dimitri's 3 Hopes route, it highlights how some of her choices are seen not so great by others. And honestly, I like that a lot. My main issue with CF was that nothing Edelgard did ever had any consequences or really any follow up her actions. No one ever reacted to what she did. But in 3 Hopes, we get Edelgard pulling a strategic badass and cool move, but we also see how outsiders see that move and how it negatively impacts their views on her, and everyone comes out a better character.
@@toriwork8891 My problem with this is that I'm certain Edelgard stans will blame Dimitri yet again, claiming that Dimitri accepted church refugees so Edelgard has a right to invade the Kingdom now. Which is BS. But you know Edelgard stans will use that excuse as a justification anyway.
@@l.n.3372 What I personally like is that the game puts effort into establishing why Dimitri is going to war. He and his group recognise that just letting it happen is a valid option, but then they would be at the mercy of Edelgard pulling whatever she wants and they just don't want to risk that sh*t. So it's either completely reworking the fundament of the kingdom's legitimacy from scratch or drawing steel.
What is the most interesting/intriguing change in the story for you so far?!
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For me, it's the cutting short of the Academy Phase and Edelgard's scaled back ambitions. I'm honestly mad about the former.
Also, I don't think the flashback is even of the Battle of the Tailtean Plains. It's at night/early morning, for one, and Nemesis is also nowhere to be seen.
The battle of Tailtean Plans was at night though. It ends with it being dawn though. Also they could of just not shown Nemesis. That doesn’t prove it wasn’t that battle.
I think it all sounds waaay too convenient on second look for Edelgard and makes TWSitD look even dumber than before. That and plot in demo goes way too fast
@@matmil5 I definitely agree on that last part.
@@MrGksarathy Everyone who has palyed all 3 routes of Three Houses knows EXACTLY, from top to bottom, what happens in the academy phase. We really don't need ANOTHER repetition. I even played the game over 8 times, so, to be completely honest with you, i'm sick of the academy phase.
Head canon: Jeritza being able to "trace the scent of blood" isn't just him be edgy and a good tracker, it's the Crest of Lamine. He doesn't use healing magic, but he can still sense others pain like Mercedes
Well that’s something. His death knight class is capable of using magic though, so he does use a bit of magic. Hopefully he gets that class in this game
Wouldnt have recognized Jeritza was the death knight nor that hes related to Mercedes if it wasnt for the Fodlan mod for Crusader Kings 3.
Nah. It was just an excuse "Well Edelgard said to go and save Monica so I need an excuse to go there"
I think jeritza killed them.
I think it's also edelgard's team/jeritza that teleported/guided the bandits towards the empty looking tower
Creating a trail of blood that would justify the students getting inside the castle.
@@autisonm it was heavily implied in the original game that Jeritza's the death knight, starting in the chapter where you rescue Flayn in pre-timeskip. Also, Mercedes' paralogue too. And in Azure Moon where you kill him there's a scene with Mercedes.
One thing that I really like that I saw someone point out on Twitter is that while in the og game Dimitri was all about emotions and edelgard all about logic, in this game Dimitri’s decision to grant protection to rhea once the war started was a purely logical one while Edelgard’s decisions to rescue Monica and to ask the church for help were emotional decisions
That gives me even higher hopes for Scarlet Blaze!!
Ohhhh you’re right
It almost feels like a Edelgard redemption arc, almost.
I'd hesitate to say Edelgard was logic in the main game tho. A lot of her decisions weren't logical. But I will grant that Dimitri was ruled by emotion for most of the main game.
@@l.n.3372 obviously it's not 100% strictly one mindset or the other, but I do think that edelgard was more logical. Like she absolutely hated allying herself with TWSITD but felt it was the only way she could get the power she needed to get the future she wanted. Same with killing Dimitri in her route, she definitely didn't like it but though it was what she had to do. I think her just letting herself die in the other routes (insisting that byleth kills her, attacking Dimitri with the dagger so he can kill her) can be seen as more logical too, I don't think she wanted to die at all but thought her death was necessary at those points. She just went against her emotions a lot
I really like that Claude's Route seems to focus more on Almyra this time. Felt like a real missed opportunity to have some kind of arc for Claude in Almyra, which hopefully they go that direction.
Indeed the fact that we could get a good look at almyra is really interesting and differentiates this route from all the others,we might even have the Leicester alliance invade almyra
yeah too bad they kinda ditched Cyril this time, since he can be used well as Almyran officer
Yeah! Hopefully this time they really going to show us that Claude is almyran royalty and not vaguely mentioning it in the post credits
So, I’m not crazy for thinking this, right? Claude is the partial sibling of that one Almyran prince dude Shahiid right? He just didn’t fully recognize Claude, if I’m not mistaken.
That is nice, though I do miss Claude the lore detective from the base game. He was my favorite precisely for that reason.
Dealing with the Agarthans as Edelgard was incredibly cathartic. It felt like an apology for Crimson Flower being so short.
That it did for sure.
Have you gotten the full thing yet?
Tbh Edelgards whole route in this felt like an apology for Crimson Flower
I really hated her decision making in the original game, but now she's not hiding in the shadows and there's not as much maliciousness towards Rhea and the Church
I really love the fact she's not trying to completely remove the church because of her establishment of the southern sect
She just wants the church to not be in a position of power over the continent
It's with this reasoning I'm hoping we can spare Rhea because in the end, all Rhea wants to do is protect Garreg Mach and her mothers grave
@@Jobocite i think it's likely that these routes are golden routes of the original. It's possible that Edelgard will team up with Rhea to fight the Agarthans. Same with Dimitri's route and sparing Edelgard. Claude's route will allow him to save Edelgard and Dimitri from fighting each other and all 3 teaming up
@@Jobocite
Tbh I got the idea in the demo that Edelgard and Hubert are using the Southern church only as a buffer and not because they actually care about it. They're doing it to give a facade: aka look we have our own church again so you should follow it and not the central church. I don't think they're fully committed to the southern church either because they set it up mainly to punish Count Varley as well.
I'm just so happy Verdant Wildfire is actually about Claude he was so great and shafted so hard of his own story in the original game
It's Golden Wildfire, and honestly, I never thought Claude was shafted in Verdant Wind, just that his heritage was decentered from the narrative in favor of his inquisitiveness.
@@MrGksarathy Nah he was 100% shafted bro was literally just doing church route story. We didn't even get to really learn about him real. Not even his name we got that in a TWEET! His king of unification arc got resolved in his end card slide and not in the actual story shafted potential 100%
@@malik2978 Nah, Silver Snow was the copy, and in VW, Claude was the main actor of that route, and it's his decisions that lead to the story beats being fulfilled.
@@MrGksarathy silver snow was the first route of the game, unfortunately Claude just got inserted there for no reason
@@MrGksarathy It was confirmed that Silver Snow was the first route created, VW is literally just a Claude self-insert of SS
The events of the demo were absolute insanity and I can't wait to see what Three Hopes will do with the post-timeskip.
Ok
This aged like milk
Something outside of the lore that I'm liking about the demo is the whole aesthetic of the UI, how the cutscenes have a more dynamic camera (which helps to see their entire 3d models), the way their eyes and head moves actually move when talking and the lighting/filter for cutcenes as well. Those few small details for the cutscenes specifically really breathes more life to the setting and characters compared to 3Houses.
Yeah the character models during cutscenes feel much more alive in 3 Hopes, I especially liked the eye movement. It makes them look a lot more human.
I just love that more characters are in these cutscenes now! It's not just Byleth and the Lords. You can see Felix, Dedue, etc in these cutscenes now, showing how important they are in their respective routes.
From dialogues from the first exploration in Three Houses and the changes in the Pre-Skip Three Hopes ... we can safely assume that one of the goals of the bandit attack aside from killing students that could pose an obstacle to the Empire and TWSD Claude and Dimitry especially was to allow Jeritza to lead one of the houses preferably the BE giving them more influence in the Academy ...
Meaning Byleth in the original timeline, not just foils the bandit scheme, but also unexpectedly obstructs another of their schemes, drawing more attention from TWSD especially with Rhea taking such inexplicable actions, add to that the reemergence of a famed former captain of the Knights and that would definitely make them pay more attention which at the same time would limit Edelgards ability to move as she wants or even to oppose them
In addition because of Rheas character, she takes time to evaluate Byleth in an safe environment by holding a mock battle, "wasting" time and so loosing the opportunity to rescue the real Monica ...
Shez from the perspective of TWSD only foils the bandit attack but does not obstruct any of their other schemes immediately as Jeritza becomes a leader of a house, nor is the addition of one student enough to warrant that as much scrutiny, which is a lapse that give Edelgard an unexpected opportunity, with the later revelation I would not be surprised if it was her that orchestrated both the bandit remnants being intercepted and their rescue ... since TWSD dont have any reason to save disposable bandits on their own ... she also makes sure that Jeritza leads the overlooked wild card that is Shez into a conflict with TWSD ... and rescue someone who is loyal to her primarily ...
In addition without Byleth Present Rhea does not focus on reawakening her mother and acts in a more as a proper leader originally
I really hope we see official art for Glenn Fraldarius, Felix's late brother. Hoping there is a flashback as I've always been curious on what he looked liked.
I cannot get over how Felix is now Duke Fraldarius. My little edge boy was forced to grow up and is now a Duke. So proud
But he still calls his king the boar. He's still got some growing up to do.
I'm a little disappointed that we couldn't see a little more of our young edgelord before he was forced to grow up, but it is intriguing nonetheless, especially with Rodrigue alive.
I'm intrigued by how they're handling it so far. Characters are acting in ways that seem reasonable and there hasn't been anything I'd call an ass-pull yet. I imagine the same Koei writers that did Three Houses are probably handling Three Hopes too.
But yeah, looking good so far. :)
@toadtime123 age of calamity promised something that ended up not happening (which was quite clear from the demo alone), with Three Hopes they promised a different story and regardless of it’s quality that’s what we are getting.
@@AlesSimoncia True. I would have liked a different different story, but they definitely are taking a bold new direction with this game, so kudos.
It does seem like the writers did the sensible but uncommon thing of having a ton of small changes deriving off each other that culminate to a crazy diverging story. Definitely a lot more seemless than I thought it was gonna be (I expected "Byleth randomly bad and assaults Gerrig Mach for no reason" kind of clunk).
@@joemarais7683 if i remember correctly, three houses was written by koei tecmo writers which makes me believe three hopes doesn’t have different ones, so i never had any fear of something like that happening.
@toadtime123 Age of Calamity was cool, but somehow it felt like a fanfic
People have always been on and on about "Edelgard should have gone for TWSITD first" and now we got it. Thanks to Shez cockblocking Byleth, Jeritza got in, and Kostas was dead. That gave Edelgard the chance to cleanly get rid of them from the Empire. That gave so much new potential for making a clear declaration of war.
As you mentioned, she no longer has any guilt by association. She also prevented the Remire massacre and also prevented students from being experimented on by the Agarthans to become Crest Beasts. So many things that people blamed Edelgard for because she was associated with the Agarthans no longer exist.
I think Remire might still happen, given that Solon was gone somewhere before he was apprehended. That may have been him setting up the rage toxin/curse.
@@MrGksarathy Even if something happens in Remire, Edelgard no longer can be blamed due to the whole “guilt by association” logic everyone went through.
Also monica being saved helped them
Three Hopes feels very newcomer-unfriendly. The game seems to assume you’ve played all the routes in Three Houses, and thus has spoiler-y stuff up the ass. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but newcomers will probably be incredibly confused, not to mention spoiled on half the crazy things that happen in Three Houses.
Yeah I've played two and a half of the four routes in Three Houses plus the DLC story. Now it feels like I have to finish the rest before starting Three Hopes.
Yeah, and the massive amount of things to keep track of and the cast's strengths and weaknesses. I think it's great. Sequels should have an entry barrier that enhances the experience for those who are up to speed.
Yeah because it doesn't even explain important things like why Edelgard declared war on the church lmaoooooo
@@Madeen1982 You can look it up if you don't want to play that repetitive stuff. Serenes forest and other wikis have scripts.
@@Glacidon It's sorta explained in Scarlet Blaze. Three Hopes has all the routes take place and have importance in this timeline.
Seriously, i'm impressed on Three Hopes story/writing. I love how they are expanding the universe and the previously unseen characters. Protecc Monica.
I honestly wish Monica was recruitable in all routes. Would have been more fun that way.
Poor Monica :'(
I wish we were able to save her in the original game
monica is sssooo annoying i chose edelgard house and all she does is talk about edelgard
I have Monica but haven't touched her because I am convinced she's gonna betray me...I never got over that backstabbing
Glad Edelgard doesn't seem to get shafted as hard as she did in the original game.
I mean considering her entire plot was specifically designed to target 'those who slither in the dark' and yet her campaign simply ends after the battle with the church (and multiple chapters earlier than the other routes) before ever confronting them always felt like a slap in the face.
at least its not a copy and paste like verdant wind was.
yeh it's a shame we didn't get to kill twsitd outserves however it is stated she does eradicate them in 3 houses, shame we didn't get 4-5 extra chapters to do so.
Three Hopes' Edelgard is showing what she meant when she told Petra in Three Houses "I am Edelgard von Hresvelg. And yes, I'm attempting to do what no one else can. I'm prepared to shoot two birds, or even three, with a single arrow"
Damn that quote's so deep
The scariest part of the game wasn't facing the Ashen Demon in the prologue, it was the game using our save data to name this version's Byleth.
Given the stories of 3H felt far from cohesive and at times unbalanced, there seems to be a focus on political intrigue. And it very much called my attention.
* The difficult political decisions in Dimitri's route, during the empire's invasion
* Edelgard turning against the TWSITD as soon as Monica was rescued
* Claude's route incorporating his heritage, likely going to create family drama with his brother.
I think the beginning definitely had pacing issues, a lot of plot threads quickly wrapped up, and certain points of the narrative seemingly 180's previous learnt plot elements.
Whether or not the final story turns out well, we don't know.
In terms of canonicity, I would say that Hopes is just as relevant as the main routes in Houses. They're all based around different actions being taken anyway, so I see no reason why these should be written off as fanfiction or something, though I have seen this sentiment around unfortunately
With how long Heroes has been out you'd think we would be more accepting of alternative timelines and AUs..
Yeah seriously. Heroes alone blew the roof off that Fire Emblem is now a multiverse if Awakening and Fates didn't make it obvious already.
Chances are those who are already calling Three Hopes "non-canon" likely just don't like the game. Same thing with Age of Calamity.
Which is absurd. How many times does FE and especially Heroes have to say that "anything is possible due to infinite worlds"
Here's something IS could absolutely do. They could do an all villain banner where they won in their timeline. That way they can basically say "yes anything is possible"
@@MrSentinel07 In a way the issue is even worse with AoC. The Zelda timeline is already famous for being fucky with similar time travel shenanigans happening at the end of OoT
@@Hebleh People still bitch that Heroes is "non canon" despite Intsys straight up calling it the 15th main game (and later Echoes the 16th and Three Houses the 17th main game)
I know there are going to be some shortfalls, but as someone that truly enjoyed Three Houses, I loved the direction of the story in the demo. I am hoping the rest of the campaigns can keep up the intensity of and that this isn't just the best vertical slice they could have given us.
I think they try to wrap up the plots in Three Houses ASAP so that they can start something new. Hence the quick pace in the first three chapters.
I'm still not too sure where the story is heading and whether it will flop, though. But I'm cautiously optimistic - it seems like the scriptwriter knows what he/she is doing, with the improvements in the conclusion of the previous plots and all.
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The fast pace in the demo is a problem. But I'm willing to forgive it if the main warriors game is good in 2 weeks. Because then we'll understand why they rushed thru the prologue to get to the meat and bones of the game.
@@l.n.3372 Glad someone agrees with me on this. Personally, I would have liked if there was a 5-6 chapter academy arc before we got to the Triple Threat.
One thing I really respect and appreciate is they put the critical point of divergence right at the beginning. They change and event from six months prior to the start of Three Houses, and use that to completely avert the first event of that plot proper. This leaves them wide open to do this, completely changing the political landscape to open up new plots, rather than trying to crowbar the new character and outcomes into an established cause and effect. It takes balls to go "Let's change EVERYTHING" and brains to have it make sense.
This story and also some of the supports seem to be extremely political in nature. And although my understanding of politics is almost... well.. non-existent, i reeeally like storys like that. Kinda weird, if i think about it.
Also the fact that we meet characters we only heard about in Three Houses is extremely exciting. There are still characters, i'd like to meet like Mariannes father or Raphaels sister, but even if we don't get to meet them, i can't complain anymore in the slightest, since we got so much in that regard already.
In terms of changes to the story... since it is a warriors game i expected big changes but so far there is no dealbreaker for me. They didn't pull any unacceptable shenanigans.... YET. I'm still cautious
6:35 I assume this was just a flub? Edelgard declares war after the two year time skip, having used those two years to build up her forces to at least partially make up for losing the Agarthan resources.
Yup and from the looks of things it was much harder to invade Garreg Mach this time arond as Hubert mentions in the AG route that they took heavily losses during the attack
Note that there's an achievement for getting all hero relics. We might have an unified route...
Also means Byleth will definitely acquire the Sword of the Creator at some point, likely after Shez eventually gets the upper hand on them. Also although I agree they’ll come together in the end the relics themselves aren’t necessarily proof of that since every relic was obtainable in Azure Moon too.
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If the achievement here means every relic obtainable on a single route, that could also be a NG+ only achievement possible too.
In AM, it's only possible because Claude gives Dimitri the Failnaught, something that Claude doesn't do in any other route, obviously. Every other student etc was recruitable in AM too, so you could get all relics. It's impossible in CF and SS because you'd never get Aredbhar or Failnaught or (for CF specifically) Freikugel and Thunderbrand.
Or you get the relics by killing characters from other routes.
The biggest change I think is who we're following this time. In Three Houses we follow Byleth and what happens in each of the houses he chooses to teach. In Three Hopes, we follow the house leaders. The switch essentially lets us go from "if you pick this route, this will happen" to "all of these things are happening, we just happen to be present for different things based on who we choose to go with". As Shez, we're essentially just going along for a ride until we get to our next chance to fight Byleth. While I like it, I also worry that our insert character's own story becomes inconsequential. Hopefully Shez fighting Byleth becomes important in some way aside from forcing Sothis to awaken.
Maybe in the end Shez will realize that their revenge quest against Byleth was pointless and there are more important things to fight for. Similar to how Byleth sort of becomes more human through out the 3 houses routes since the early chapters imply they're pretty quiet and emotionless and Dmitri even says Byleth initially seemed like an emotionless machine of war.
Tbh in AM and VW, Byleth feels the most like he's just along for the ride too. AM is primarily about Dimitri's arc and Byleth is only there to support him thru it. But that route is the least about Byleth and his own background. While VW is more about Fodlan lore and not about Byleth lore. In VW, Claude is mainly driving the plot to uncover the truth and Byleth is tagging along for the ride. The only routes driven by Byleth are SS (obviously) and CF. Because Byleth makes the huge choice of Rhea vs Edelgard: the church vs the Empire. So Byleth drives both plots more and on SS, we learn about Byleth and his mother the most.
@@l.n.3372 True. Still, Byleth does act implicitly as the guiding hand throughout White Clouds and Part 2, and Shez doesn't really have that. Also, I'm not super impressed by their support conversations thus far, even if having them fully voiced is nice.
@@MrGksarathy Sounds like a personal problem. Shez's supports are singlehandedly making them a fan favorite.
@@nuibaba280 Oh I'm aware, though personally, I think the voiced lines are making all the difference thus far. Maybe later supports will be more unique. Who's to say?
So far, I love all the changes. They all feel organic and logic, and just by altering a little variable, Shez surviving. They really did extensive worldbuilding in Fodlan, allowing all these kind of interesting scenarios to happen.
Judging by this and Age of Calamity, Koei Tecmo/Omega Force must really like the Butterfly Effect.
Honestly, I enjoy the focus on characters outside of the students. Having focus on the parents; and even characters like Monica does help expand the world alot more
I think it's interesting seeing the Slitherers reactions to Shez's power.
They are genuinely surprised and even a bit spooked.
Like for all their planning, Shez and their ability is something they never considered or expected, a true 'Outside Context' Problem.
That would be curious, since I now think that Shez is Fódlan's equivalent to Robin, as some Heart of Grima analog. Maybe they thought the experiment was a failure? Outside of Three Hopes it might as well have been.
One thing i notice. Both Shez(as they were seeking for Byleth for a rematch) and the trio lord were heading to Remire Village, but since the Knights of Serios decided to head back to the Monastery instead of continuing to Remire Village, Byleth and the trio lord are not able to meet each other at all.
Hopefully we can play as Byleth later in this game when she/he becomes unlockable later in this game, since i love to Play as Female Byleth again.
Considering that Arval is likely some kind of Argathan god, I highly doubt that.
@@elpoppliogameralons0839 Arval doesn't seem particularly loyal to the cause, though. At least not in this incarnation.
I really hope Byleth isnt a forced villain in this, its already annoying that this is an alternate universe but going that far will really make me dislike Shez.
Ooh yeah cannot wait for the game's release! Its great that Edelgard's goal to war with the Church of Seiros is still intact but executed differently and actually allies with them first, sad to actually see Rufus playing the bad guy role and actually pleased Claude's story is well focusing on Claude and Almyra not a copy and paste story unlike Verdant Wind in Three Houses. A really unexpected twist that of all the characters to be chosen as 3rd professor now that Byleth is not present Jeritza is the one.
I think Jeritza as a prof may have been the Rhea’s original plan in 3H. It’s been a while but I remember some dialogue from a random student wondering why Byleth was suddenly made a professor when Jeritza had seemingly been brought there for the job
@@adagio9230 Jeritza was always meant to be the third professor yes. He was going to be the replacement for another unnamed and unseen person that was supposed to the be the new professor who "ran away" when the bandits attacked Edelgard and friends. Of course it was all orchestrated by Edelgard and the Slitherers to get Jeritza that position to ensure things would always go her way. So Byleth being made Professor instead threw everything out of whack for her and the Slitherers. Shez not only allowed the plan to go off without a hitch, by killing Kostas early they greatly accelerated it and emboldened Edelgard to cut ties with the Slitherers before they were able to do any real lasting damage.
@@smward87 funny how El and Slithers's first plan either goes horribly right or terrifically wrong.
@@smward87 Great thanks for confirming that!!
The interesting thing isn't the story changes it's how they worked in the knowledge that the characters would actually have at the time that they would take place. This is important as it helps describe the reasons behind them.
The second Kingdom Rebellion after Duscur was when Felix started calling Dimitri a Boar.
Something important to add Is that the Agarthan that Is disguised as Cornelia Is a male
Or are they?
Something that I find interesting Is that there are some changes between routers that don't makes sense, if you choose the Golden deers your first mision after the timeskip Is to protect the great bridge from the empire, while if you choose Black Eagles your first mision Is to march towards the monastery and your camp Is already in Alliance territory
Doesn't Hanneman say he's defending the bridge though?
It's because of Acheron's allegience which is unreliable, why he's called "weathervane"
@@Hebleh he says that but in Golden deer It Is implied that you are depending the bridge before the empire cross It and in Black Eagles the empire just cross It without any problem
@@elgatto3133 that makes sense I guees the presence of Shez in Golden deer somehow makes It so that Acheron allies with the alliance
@@nawakening370 I mean. Acheron and Lorenz's father are believed to be capable of betraying the alliance on Claude's route, meanwhile it's outright confirmed on Edelgard's that they are allied to the empire. So maybe Claude's route starts just before that happens, which may mean that Claude loses the first battle, or Shez made a change on the war.
Can’t say whether I will pick up the game quite yet because of the gameplay, but the story is looking wild! Loved the live streams Ghast!
If u care not for gameplay just wait for youtube videos or streams of it. Cuz warriors games are mostly gameplay then story anyway.
The gameplay is fun, and I can even say it is good, but it feels a way more repetative than strategic FE. For me the decisive point if I enjoy doing 3 playthrough or it would be torture in the end instead. I've complete original TH 4 times, and still kinda want to come back to the game
@@1SecondToLight that’s kind of how Warriors games works
@@sekinafi29 well yeah, I am big DW and SW fan, but those games have a lot of flaws...
I personally think pacing wise, this game does a good job with it's story and gameplay. Just like 3Houses, it threw you into things, jumped along very quickly the first few months, and then got to a point where it started to have a steady progression once prologue is out of the way. That and the fact, that's majority of the complaints I see about the game is weird, cause after prologue, only a single chapter is playable after timeskip, so it might seem weird compared to 3Houses in some ways, but in others, it's the same, if not done slightly different for the sake of not repeating all of the monastery majority of us have put hundreds of hours into before.
For that, I appreciate it, cause obviously alot of stuff was still reused from 3Houses, and a good bit of 3Houses was touched on to pay homage(I guess?) To 3Houses, but in a way to make this game not just a repeat of it. I didn't even play the first FE Warriors game, but I'm excited for this one, and am still enjoying the demo.
Sidenote, it makes no sense to say it's confusing(they explain nicely IMO), and technically if you played 3Houses before this game and vice versa, they both would spoil atleast some stuff for each other, as a sequel/prequel probably would do in almost all cases.
This game speeds through so many things though, I feel like that’s way too much for someone who didn’t already play three houses
@@rhettmitchell there's no need, basics of story/people/characters and places are all related to the same as they were before. So whether you played 3Houses or not, as s long as you pay attention to in game info, dialogue, and read things thoroughly, everything up til that point is almost all explained, if not just some minor things here and there. As they were in 3Houses, and only the first non prologue chapter is even available, so we have no idea when/which questions will be answered and how. It's not any different than if you played this game first, then went and tried 3Houses after(as a decent amount of people probably will), you'd pretty much be getting all the same tools, world, and lore, just a different piece/perspective of it, with a slightly altered timeline. That, and it's obviously a game aiming for replayability, so obviously, they probably expect you to miss a few pieces you'll pick up on your following playthrough.
@@rhettmitchell Agreed the game rushes through the academy arc in a snap. The developers made the game assuming everyone played Three Houses.
It's fine to be brief with the academy stuff that isn't needed. But this demo has pacing issues. I think Ghast spoke to this well during his streams. Black Eagles goes from like 0 to 50 to 500 insanely fast. It's unrealistic to expect a bunch of newly trained students to be able to infiltrate Enbarr and arrest Duke Aegir and Arundel that soon - not to mention that half the Black Eagles didn't even attend this mission. It's a mission of very unrealistic proportions for such an early stage in the game. I mean think about it. It probably took place less than 3/chapters months into the academy phase. Most units wouldn't even be in their advance classes yet at that point in the story, yet somehow they can arrested Duke Aegir and chase away Arundel by now?
@L.N. I agree to an extent, I haven't played or seen the Black Eagles route, so can't speak for that one. But is it really more realistic they wouldn't defeat people like Arundel/Rufus/Ect? As far as I'm aware, they might be experienced but in the end, aren't they just normal people? And I don't mean status/position wise, I mean as in power(supernatural or not)/capabilities in combat, with an army facing an army? They might have the crown/fancy armor, but they are just a better than average person as in power? I might be wrong, so my bad if so, but also just I guess another way to look at it.
And they added more veteran characters during the "big chapters" of the prologue(holst, rodrigue, shamir, ect) to atleast give them an even better chance/ability to win said fights, and the battle itself would sound absurd if it was literally just some academy students busting in a capital city alone, and taking over, but with veteran characters on the field, and a whole army, and above average capability academy students sounds a bit more reasonable as a whole.
One thing I don't understand and didn't know for lack of knowledge on BlackEagles, is that a good bit of that house wasn't in their big last Paralogue battle, that sounds stupid tbh, so I see the complaint there.
Plus in all seriousness, it gives me hope that those are early bosses/figures, gets me excited that there will be even crazier/powerful antagonists, but that's just me.
But it does sound like the Black Eagles might of been slightly overdone with the jumping points, but we can't really say in the grand scheme if it's "too early" for those people to die, cause we don't know everything that is come after them I guess. I would say IMO, what I saw in Blue Lions and Golden Deer, seemed perfectly fine atleast. But I'll hold my thoughts on Black Eagles, cause I honestly don't know, other than what you listed in your comment.
The changes in the story from this game are really interesting and exciting, I'm pumped to see what the full game has to offer.
I love how that rescuing Monica is the trigger to change the entire timeline
Also I'm so happy they confirmed that Cornelia is actually Cleobulus. That in addition with all the other characters appearing, it really looks like Intsys took into consideration the criticism of the fanbase
Rescuing Monica isn't the trigger. The trigger is that Shez already has their Enlightened/awakened powers and a special sword. While Byleth didn't upon meeting the Lords initially. Shez gives them new options now that Byleth didn't, because Byleth doesn't get the sword of the creator until months later. And doesn't fuse with Sothis until nearly the end of the academy phase.
@@l.n.3372 Jokes really fly over your head, don't they?
@@antoinedenis3081
Facts really fly over your head, don't they?
@@l.n.3372 Oh my god, I'm not even gonna bother answering you so please do the same and let's be on our merry way
@@antoinedenis3081 It's hard to tell online.
It’s interesting how the timeskip is still part one. Makes me wonder what big event will trigger part two.
Probably the same event that will cause the houses leaders work together, since we've seen hints of that in thrailers, id imagine the agarthans will make some big attack meaning they'll have to join against them rather than be the last of the three houses standing
I found Shahid's reaction to Claude to be a bit hilarious, he kept saying that Claude looks like his horror of a little brother. It's probably because of the political ramifications that outing the leader of the alliance as a Prince of Almyra would bring, but I find it funny to just imagine that Shahid just has bad eyesight and actually can't recognize Claude.
Shahid just needs glasses like the Byleth accessory in 3H journal for unit appearance.
Claude:"Whew. If he actually got it right, I'd have to explain a whole lot."
Shahid also seems to be an arrogant buffoon who has no idea where his brother could have gone, so he probably just didn't put two and two together yet.
Honestly, I wasn't expecting that much from the story since Warriors games don't have the best track record. But Three Hopes is a delight. It really does feel like an alternate timeline. Certain elements happen and don't happen due to the special circumstances.
In my opinion, this is better than three houses story wise. Characters have a lot more consistency and TWISTD is done with sooner which I think makes the story flow much better
And the biggest for me is that finally confirmed that arondel is thales which is three houses they only teased
TWSitD will still be the main antagonists and Shez is very heavily tied to them. But it'll probably flow more like Genealogy or something this time
@@Sylau_ yes I didn’t learn until like last year that Arundel was Thales I just thought he was working with TWSITD
Nothing will ever top AM, but I love that TWSITD are gonna be irrelevant for the main conflict. They were interesting lore pieces but that was it. They more often than not ruined alot of the story beats for me.
I'm really looking forward to 3 Hopes
@@justinianthe1st790 Again, no. We see Dimitri fighting Thales in one of the trailers for example.
And Arval is so bluntly the Agarthan god that it isn't even funny.
Ironically, Dimitri actually fighting them fixes most of the major problems with his writing and with his terribly put together belief system he espouses towards the end of AM
Loving the demo so far!! The story being changed is an odd decision but it works out as a lot is added that was missed in Three Houses
Also, don't forget the time skip this time around is only 2 years. Byleth was "asleep" for 5 years in the three houses.
We'll probably get to see/play *through a lot of story beats that were sadly absent in the original game, save from some exposition. Such as the seize of the church of Seiros, since it was already empty ruins once Byleth woke up.
This time skip isn't 2 years. One of those years was the academy year, remember? Rhea closed the monastery because nobody came back. So one of these 2 years is just the academy year without Garreg Mach. So we're actually only a single year into time skip now.
I really liked that they are adding more stories to the lore of 3Houses like in Claude's route and Dimitri's! I hope to see more!:)
i think it's so interesting that a lot of the changes come from the decision of Rhea choosing to send everyone home
she actually feels like a more proper leader of a church and academy in Three Hopes
I guess not having a vessel to her mother's spirit distracting her helps a ton
I keep rambling, but the mere fact that Byleth not being involved with the 3 house leaders and having them go through a different path (and on first impression, a better one), really makes you feel like Byleth was not a good influence at all 😅
I wouldn't say Byleth wasn't a good influence, their deal is moreso that they were just incredibly passive, characterwise, which lead to them waiting for the other characters to make decisions that lead them forward in life, whether said characters were allies or enemies notwithstanding.
Shez seems to be much more driven and active as a character so they force other characters to react to the changes they bring about just as often as they themselves react to what others do, which greatly shakes up events like how Shez offing Kostas early massively dominoes into Edelgard's team up with the Church.
@@rotciv557 I agree with this take, and also, I feel the early game actually did a good job showing the positive influence Byleth actually had in bonding the class, since with Jeritza at the helm, the dynamic was far more awkward and stilted, and Shez, unlike Byleth, did not notice the darker sides of the 3 lords, implying that Byleth is actually a decent judge of character.
@@MrGksarathy but byleth doesn't really do anything to stop the characters from making their decisions. Eldegard still causes a 5 year war. Dimitri goes mad, claude....does absoutly nothing involving his story
@@rotciv557 I guess a bad influence is saying that they influence something and that is saying too much haha 😅
But I agree. Shez being more active does make things very different.
@@MrGksarathy
I think the reason Shez doesn't see the bad in the Lords, so to speak, is simply because Shez is more human. As someone who acts more human, Shez is inclined to see the positive in people. Byleth sees the positive and the negative because they're just a cold, emotionless Ashen Demon at that point. Thus, when they evaluate the Lords, they can see shadows of darkness.
I'm really impressed with how much they could pack into this demo. I'm super pumped for the full release.
i love that all the dads and holst are just..DILF's. besides rufus xD
Duke Aegir’s a DILF eh?
@@pearsemolloy9656 sorry, I more meant that the fathers we actaully get to see this time, like I expected Count Varley to look more like Aegier
I'm going to make a prediction that we will be able to see most of these major nobility heads that are referenced lot. If not all of them.
I also think we will see Claude's father too. If not a major boss fight
"See that Cleobulus is informed. Tell him to-" wait hol' up there.
It would be funny if the plottwist is that...it's just a common misconception internally because these people spent a lot of time in their disguises and thus the name is the biggest indicator.
It’s worth pointing out that neither the Flame Emperor or Death Knight appear, likely because they aren’t necessary
The Death Knight is almost certainly coming back because it's an alternate personality for Jeritza, not just a costume.
I'll be sad tho if Jeritza doesn't get his personal class back. It was a better version of Dark Knight.
@@l.n.3372 Speaking of Jeritza, not a huge fan of how the game sidestepped any potential story of him being a professor for Shez's house while being a bad teacher. I was interested to see what would happen, but then the academy closed.
I really enjoyed 3 hopes. The whole thing felt like it was made by someone at IS that has a whole book of notes of worldbuilding that they never got to express in the main game.
This demo must be the biggest demo yet, it feels more like a head start than anything.
I actually prefer this timeline to the old one. It's a lot more intriguing in my opinion.
I just like Shez a lot as a protagonist.
@@nuibaba280 it’s nice to have an actual character at the helm of the story this time around. Someone who can actually have two way conversations with the rest of the cast. No disrespect to Byleth though I like them too.
I feel like the snapiness of the game, particularly brought on by dropping the professor duties really help the story's pacing
@@nuibaba280 same here.
Im enjoying the black eagles route so much more than three houses version
El is way too badass in Scarlet Blaze. It's amazing.
I really wish they would have let Fleche be playable in this game. Randolph has some line about how she's too young and weak to fight when she turns out to be an assassin later on. It's so sad that they set her, Randolph and Ladislava, among others, to the side again. At least they let us have Monica though
It was 3 AM when I was playing Edelgard route
I almost shouted "SHE SIDED WITH THE CHURCH"
Then her 2 years later:"Heh, I played you, you fool."
There’s the fact that so far, it’s heavily implied that Jeralt lives past 1180.
I'm definitely intrigued by this game and cannot wait for the full release. Spoilers below on certain aspects for those who want to avoid spoilers until the full game:
I've heard that many characters will be route locked this time around. I'm both very happy yet simultaneously torn on this concept. It's what I had always wanted for the main game too. But based on data mining, some of the choices seem very random. Not enough characters are route locked for my tastes: I say go big or go home. And I'm very confused as to why a few specific characters are now route locked when they have little reason to be.
Groan
It's a monkey's paw wish. We'll get characters that are route specific, but according to you some of the choices of characters are random, and that makes it pretty obnoxious.
Unless the game can give a perfect reason why people would defect to Edelgards army, it's just silly for anyone to fight for her. It just makes me think less of the characters. If i were to explain myself why I think each character shouldn't be present in her route we would be here all day.
All I will say is that there a couple of characters that never should be able to defect to her army, period.
Ingrid and Annette. That's jumping the shark to a ludicrous extreme. I even think Ashe and Caspar fighting on her behalf to be absurd. Especially Ashe.
As for other armies? I can buy them wanting to support them if for no other reason then to stop Edelgard. Which was for all intents and purposes the reason in other routes in 3 Houses. But Edelgard? It was a reach then and its especially a reach now.
@@justinianthe1st790
Do you want spoilers from the data mining? If so, see below:
In the data mine, these Black Eagles are route locked (Edelgard, Hubert, Ferdinand, and Caspar). Any other Black Eagles can go anywhere. I'm confused as to why Bernadetta and Linhardt aren't route locked too, given their fathers.
For the Blue Lions, all are route locked except for Mercedes and Ashe. Mercedes can join the Black Eagles, which makes sense given Jeritza. Ashe can go anywhere. This is fine.
In the Golden Deer, only Claude and Hilda are route locked. But Lysithea and Leonie can join the Empire. I could understand Lysithea maybe. But why would Leonie join Edelgard? And why can't Leonie join the Kingdom? Seems very strange re: Leonie here.
As for the other units, this makes more sense. Jeritza seems to be able to join the Blue Lions, probably for Mercedes. Catherine is locked to the Blue Lions, again pretty self explanatory. Shamir is available on all but seems to be Golden Deer only in the demo. Seteth and Flayn don't appear route locked which makes no sense: why would they join the Black Eagles unless it's a church route?
@@l.n.3372 Just to give my thoughts on what you said:
Could Leonie possibly be joining BE if Jeralt joins Edelgard as a merc given what Golden Wildfire said about the Alliance being too peaceful for work, and that the coming war has every merc scrambling to join a side? I mean we never see where Byleth and Jeralt are after the tutorial, but maybe they always join one side of the war to make the routes stand out (like Scarlet Blaze being the only route to interact with them in a non-hostile way [Probably as a shock], while the other routes are a "Surprise! They fight for the enemy." kind of deal).
@@l.n.3372 This...is so hard to believe. I feel like precisely because of how surreal it is we may have to wait until the full game.
Monica is literal simp, why would she defect? Ashe and Mercedes? I can kinda accept Mercie, but again I think Ashe leaving is silly.
Really I'm more shocked at any of the eagles leaving. Their chance was the beginning of the route. They accepted going to war, now they will suddenly defect...that's silly.
Jeritza defecting?! Okay that is something even more absurd. Sure he's not the DK in this timeline, but I find it hard to believe he would leave Edelgard after all he's been through. He didnt do that even when Mercedes requested him to join her side. Again he was the DK and killed quite a number of people, so perhaps that's a valid reason. But him leaving when they just waged war is too silly as well.
I'm gonna say this data mine could have some inaccuracies. But I guess we will see.
@@bubbles784
Spoilers on my thoughts to your ideas:
I don't think I'd like that at all. I'm guessing either Byleth becomes friendly with ALL or NONE. It's not really fair if only one side has Byleth, right? It also wouldn't make sense for Leonie to abandon everything to join Edelgard - especially when Edelgard was complicit with Jeralt death. That was my issue with her in CF in the base game too. Jeralt also may or may not die in this game too, so I really don't know. We saw him in the trailers and Sothis says that Byleth still wants revenge.
Few3h: dad edition. How many more dads are going to show up?
But it is good to have more characters. I wonder if all dads will be playable
It really is dad emblem lol. I wonder if Marianne's adopted dad will show up too?
This is the good way of doing revelations. The good outcomes but not the “all” choice
True
Yeah but revelations didn't even allow you to save everybody. Poor Scarlett.
Wow, I actually will buy this now. This sounds insane with tons of story.
If there is not an option to fight/kill Count Varley in at least one of the routes I will be very disappointed
Avenge Bernie!
He’s targeted for assassination, so perhaps he’d be dead by now or you eventually do fight him depending on how the story unfolds.
Edelgard puts him in charge of her southen chruch and it makes him a target for assassination but so far nothing.
Damn Rufus pulled a Lion King.
Long live the king ig
More like a Claudius from Hamlet. Which inspired the Lion King.
Until now, my favorite detail of this story is...well, the existance of Claude's route to begin with. It was purely created by the in-narrative butterfly effect(Which is actually passively referenced in the dialogue, funnily enough), the timeskip is literally 2 years of nothing happening as Claude leaves Shez out to dry and it has the coolest setup for its plotlines imo. It is the perfect mix of playing into the game's concept, being entertaining/funny and being intriguing in where it will go.
Tbh that's also why it feels weird that Shez wasted his time with the Alliance. At least in the other 2 routes, Shez was busy for those 2 years in a row. I'm surprised Claude gave Shez nothing to do for 2 whole years.
This is actually why I don't like Golden Wildfire for now. The gang split off, fucked around, and then got called back when the war started, unlike the other Houses, who worked closely together for those 2 years. It makes the Deer seem even less friendly than they were in the initial White Clouds and more just associates as Arval called them.
@@l.n.3372 Shez spent their time trying to get by since they trusted Claude. Shez was training and protecting some areas even if there wasn't as much to fight.
Unless I remember wrong, isn't it also the route where even tho they spent way less time together, Shez insists on the Golden Deer being his friends?
I feel like the atmosphere of everyone becoming good friends so easily is meant to tie into the japanese name of the Route, Yellow Bonfire.
@@lpfan4491 That's the part I honestly struggle to take seriously. I found myself agreeing with Arval that they were mere associates, even if they were incredibly trusting.
Also, because of how static they were in comparison to the other Houses, it feels even less real.
So, basically Shez in Three Houses always died after a few weeks before Byleth's group took the time to rest in Remire village.
So basically between these two timelines we choose whether Shez or Monica dies lol
@@Ergeniz No, either both die or neither does...until now, anyways.
not quite.
When the hell did Seteth lose his transforming powers? It's so weird he's riding a dragon if he could turn into one.
I think he just doesn’t want his identity being known
Seteth has always been portrayed as skeptic and a little paranoid. Heck, his disguise for him and flayn are as brother and sister, its like..dude you can protray yourself as father and daughter you know.
He probably still can transform in that cutscene. He just chose his human form at that battle. We know he eventually lost the ability to transform after centuries. But we have the saint statues in the monastery that show what Indech and Macuil looked like in their human forms too.
@@l.n.3372 well the statues also have Cethlann as a adult woman, so I don't think we should take those as fully accurate
This is something that i love in both age of calamity and three hopes, one character is introduced leading to a less tragic story. Tragedy isn’t for everyone so having dojng something like this where people can have their tragic stories as well as the happy ones is just fantastic
Also bernis dad is basically suffering from his position and thats great.
@@starlyte1320 The issue with age of calamity is that everything advertises the game as the opposite. The marketing, the name, the setting...It's basically just attracting the wrong audience at that point.
@@lpfan4491 totally agree, the marketing is why i didn’t buy it at first when i learned that it wasn’t a prequel and was a totally different story, bought it right away
Bruh I can't believe Garreg Mach's Officers Academy shut down due to Covid- I MEAN AGARTHA
If Byleth and Jeralt never go to garag Mach then I wonder if they’ll have a significant role in the story later on with a different purpose. Assuming Sothis’s relationship with Byleth hasn’t changed and Byleth still has the crest of flames because of this then Byleth could potentially be a very dangerous antagonist if Nintendo wanted to go that route.
As for Jeralt it would be really nice to see his relationship with other characters like alois fleshed out more, and to see Jeralt have some influence on a world where he isn’t killed by twsintd
Well we see in ghe awakened rivals trailer that Byleth definitely still has Sothis power and is even in there fused form but we don't know how this happed.
I really hope Dimitri/Blue Lions route is more satisfying. Like, in Houses, his main opponent was always Edelgard and when she dies and the game ends, it leaves you with a satisfied feeling. Until you play the other three routes and realize Edelgard wasn't the true main enemy, there was someone else pulling the strings. After I played the other three, his route felt like a "gotcha!" Moment, like "haha u thought she was the main enemy?" That's why I hope his storyline is much more fulfilling.
It's not a gotcha at all. For Dimitri, Edelgard is the narrative conclusion to his arc. To do anything else would have been a bait and switch. Plus he kills Cornelia and Arundel early because they're less important to him in the grand scheme of things.
@@l.n.3372 Yeah, Dimitri's arc in Three Houses is dealing with the ghosts of his past, unlike Edelgard, whose arc is about ostensibly throwing off the shackles she feels are holding the continent back, and Claude, whose arc is about getting a better picture of the actual truth so he may open up Fódlan to a new, outward-looking future, all while learning to slowly open his own heart.
The three stories all look to be very exciting, and I'm looking forward to seeing all of them and their results.
from playing the demo I get the feeling that what we played were not in order, there were many things cut out like how we didnt even have battalions and most of our units couldnt even promote until post timeskip. I feel like the pacing for the actual game will be alot slower since they will fill in the blanks
You realize demo saves carry over, right? What we got is fhe beginning of the game, as-is.
As BLD said unfortunately what we have played is already what the game will be like since our saved filles will be carried on
@@bld9826 I know they carry over but the structure was just weird, like how it kept saying Prologue and how we really did not get any tutorial until after time skip. Maybe it is like that but I don't think the chapters will be like they are in the full game
You've got a point, but I'm not holding my breath here. I feel the pacing was accelerated because the game assumes we've spent hundreds of hours with 3H.
I have a feeling the bulk of the game takes place in the war arc just because they know most people have already played through the almost identical academy arc at least 3 separate times already. The War arc is where the paths have the most potential to really diverge.
I’m pretty sure the Arganthan that had the same awakened form as Shez from the intro flashback was actually just Arval. If you look closely the sleeves and gown it’s the same. Assuming I’m correct this means that Arval actually seems to have had a direct conflict with Seiros/Rhea and the Saints. Which is really interesting since Arval was hinted by the box art to have more of a conflict with Sothis.
Either that was Arval in the into cutscene, or an Agarthan who fused with Arval. But yeah I agree, I caught that too and was wondering who that Agarthan was in the intro.
@@l.n.3372 Yeahh I think either way there is interesting implications here!
@@l.n.3372 This seems to imply that Arval fuses with a chosen Agarthan akin to the Heart of Grima from Awakening. Shez might have been an experiment to reincarnate Arval who was discarded as a failure.
I love the direction this game is going. It definitely seems to be made for fans of Three Houses in order to answer all those lingering plot threads.
I'm curious about Cleoubolus being male? That's gotta have some significants
I'm just happy we learn Cornelia's true Agarthan name. We knew Thales, Kronya and Solon. But saying Cornelia was false because that was the disguise: it wasn't the real Agarthan name.
@@l.n.3372 I think they were more confused by the fact Cornelia/Cleobulus seems to actually be a guy
God this games story is fucking amazing. Being able to use all the info from three houses and successfully creating an enticing "What if" situation without sacrificing what we've previously known.
Obviously a little sloppy in places but I'll be damned if I don't recognize that they've faithfully remained true to the original storyline, answering a lot of the questions we had from three houses and expanding on the setting.
I just wish the Academy phase wasn't so truncated because I feel the war has less impact now, and the bonds between the students of each house feel less meaningful. That, and I want my cross-house supports, dammit!!
The bonds between the students still happen since they live in the same territory together. The ones who are extensively connected to each other still are. There was multiple timeskips and they've spent months together.
@@nuibaba280 But we don't get to see it, which is a problem in my eyes. I was looking forward to seeing how Shez would specifically bond with the students in peacetime in the environment of the academy because that was a highlight of White Clouds and made the whole thing all the more real. Also, even the demo makes it clear that they hadn't all been in the same place for 2 years after spending only 4 months together.
The game assume your played three houses and already have the bonds
I can see what you're saying, and I agree about wanting cross house supports/hopefully atleast some recruiting available. But I feel with the fact majority of the story is gonna take place during the actual wars/we still have to see what's to come when full game comes out story wise especially, and lastly they will be building bonds with true comrade's in arms with their mid timeskip altered personalities during a (hopefully) dramatic/epic war that's going on will make for real/interesting bonds to be made. But that's just a different more positive way to look at the way they executed it.
@@conradkorbol And that's a flaw because Shez and Byleth are different people who should have different interactions with the students.
I took Jeritza's sniffing to just be a lie told to the knights of Seiros to justify going in a different direction than the church planned. In other words, he wanted to go to this fortress and just made sniffing the blood up.
That’s what I love about this game it’s Multiverse theory(I believe that’s what it’s called) to the Max.
Honestly, the thing I found most shocking was when Arundel referred to Cleobulus as "him"
You know this is just me sprouting out a wild Theory but they bring Nemesis back in Claude's route I hope they give him some sort of relevance to the overall plot of the route rather than being just a boss at the end, like reveal that Nemesis was originally from Almyra
That last part is dumb, but the rest is good.
@@MrGksarathy I didn't say it was a good theory, I just was saying add something that kind of adds him to the overall presentation of the story rather than being at the end no explicit reason. As much as I love Nemesis as a boss, he felt a little tagged on
If Nemesis is in this game I feel like he’s gonna show up in every route this time. Or at least not Claude’s exclusively.
While Claude's route still seems to be the case of being the more disconnected route from the other two, the setups for the conflicts differ greatly. I doubt the route is just going to play cleanup-party for the lore anymore. Aka, there most likely won't be a need to write some nonsense tie-in for Nemesis, because I can't even imagine him appearing this time. Unless the routes really converge.
@@lpfan4491 I liked that he played cleanup party for the lore because it was very in character and something I appreciated. Also, I think Nemesis was the perfect final boss for Claude because he represented the bloody history of Fódlan itself that the Deer had to defeat in order to strike forward into a brighter future.
So I don’t know if this has been pointed out yet, and my apologies if it has; but in the Blue Lions route in Three Hopes- Ingrid, Dimitri, and Felix get their heroes relics right away and Sylvain did not. Initially I thought was weird.
But I figured out why, it’s because you don’t hunt down Miklan in the Prologue like you do in White Clouds. So theoretically, Miklan is still running around out there with the Lance of Ruin.
sylvain does get it later in the game i think.
Or Miklan never got the chance to steal the relic so Sylvain father is still in possession of it.
It's impilled that Miklan only stole the Lance shortly before the mission in question so with the Kingdom stuck in civil unrest Matthias was probably in the field using it.
This demo was incredible, though I have one question. Does the save data from the demo able to be transferred to a physical version of the final game? Or is only when pre ordering the digital version
Based on how Age of Calamity worked, the save data should transfer whether you have physical or digital copies. Save data isn't on the cartridge!
@@FlautistAcacia ok, so is just a you have save data from a demo do you want to transfer it pop up. Or do you need to do more for the physical version bc I prefer physical
@@regulusking4299 i believe when you open the physical game it should prompt you to carry over the data
@@FlautistAcacia oh ok
it's been crazy!! I love it
Edelgard looks so much better since she doesn't have to associate with the Agarthans, but it does make her look dumb for even doing/considering it in the first place.
It gives her CF counterpart less moral high ground to stand on. Especially since she didn't try to save Monica, prevent Jeralt death or prevent Flayn from getting kidnapped originally. But now, she prevents all of those by simply betraying Arundel earlier.
@@l.n.3372 she did not knpow where monica was in three houses and she had nothing to do with jeralt or flyan.
@@l.n.3372 Betraying Arundel became a possibility because of a number of small butterfly effects caused by the presence of Shez. For example, Monica was saved because the bandits were stopped by Shez and the lords before they reached Remire village. So the lords never meet Byleth, and Byleth is never brought to The Officers Academy, with Jeritza being named an instructor instead. Jeritza answers directly to Edelgard, meaning he can pull strings to get his class any assignment that Edelgard wants his class to have. She couldn't do this with Byleth since she hadn't earned Byleth's full support yet, meaning Byleth would just take any assignment given by Rhea without fuss. The entire first month after Byleth's arrival was spent getting used to the academy, and a mock battle designed to test the students skills, and the skills of Byleth as an instructor. This waste of time meant that the opportunity to save Monica in that first month was lost. In Three Hopes, Jeritza bypasses the mock battle and arranges it so that his class is put on bandit duty at just the right time to make a rescue possible. Both the remaining bandits and Monica would be at the same place, making this a perfect opportunity. Edelgard was able to rescue Monica under the pretense of just stopping the bandits, where she "conveniently" happens to discover Monica being held captive there. Good thing instructor Jeritza had the good sense to have us check the basement. Nice job professor. *wink* The key is that she could mount a rescue without actually making it look like she was mounting a rescue.
In Three Houses, Byleth and his class were given a completely different assignment for their first job together. Edelgard would have to completely disobey orders and convince Rhea to send them on an entirely different assignment. Rhea would have to ask why Edelgard wanted to change the mission objective, and Edelgard wouldn't have an answer that didn't make her look suspicious as hell. If she mentioned wanting to examine the bandits main base, Rhea would say that the investigation wasn't a priority right now and that Byleth still needed more time to get accustomed to the academy, the students, and the responsibilities of a teacher. If Edelgard mentioned wanting to look for Monica, Rhea would ask why exactly Edelgard was so sure she could track her down and what exactly all this had to do with the bandits. Trying to rescue Monica in the main timeline would have raised WAY too many questions and put Edelgard's entire plan at risk.
In Three Hopes, as Edelgard says, the bandits and Monica just happen to be in the same place at the same time, making mounting a rescue a pretty simple feat to pull off. Monica could then expose "Tomas" as the one who kidnapped her, and Edelgard could easily piggyback off Tomas' recent unmasking to point out how strange her "Uncle's" behavior has been lately and let it slip that maybe they should look into him too. She could do all this without making herself look suspicious in the slightest. The recent situation with Tomas would just make Edelgard's doubts about her uncle seem completely reasonable. This also prevents Flayn from getting captured, since Thales would have no power over Edelgard anymore and would be unable to make use of Jeritza's Death Knight persona to kidnap Flayn.
As for why she's so ready to cut ties with Thales this time, that's simple. She has Shez, and Shez has already awakened his/her equivalent to Byleth's Godess power mode. Remember that Edelgard was much more willing to distance herself from Thales in Crimson Flower when she had Byleth's full power behind her. She didn't use Thales manufactured monsters in her army and she flat out refused him when he proposed the idea of world conquest. The power of Byleth made Thales mostly unnecessary. If it wasn't for the fact that she had the Church's army to worry about too at the same time, she probably would have tried to eliminate Thales in the main game as well. In Three Hopes, Rhea still has no idea about what Edelgard is planning to do, meaning Edelgard doesn't need to worry about the church mounting an attack against her at this point, and she knows that Rhea will be more than happy to help expose any TWSITD members. All she has to do is put Rhea on Thales scent and the church will readily agree to help remove him from power. Once Thales is gone, Edelgard can then make the preparations to use her own army and Shez' power to take the church down when she's good and ready. None of these options were present in Crimson Flower. By the time Edelgard had Byleth's power at her full disposal, the war was already about to begin. Monica was already dead. The Flame Emperor had been linked to TWSITD. Jeralt was an unintended casualty, and her father wasn't long for this world, meaning Edelgard had no choice but to make the trip to the Imperial Capital, take the throne and make the final preparations for the start of the war. By the time she had the means to oppose Thales in Three Houses, she was already out of time. That isn't the case in Three Hopes. She had both time, and most importantly, opportunity that never presented itself in the original Three Houses.
The butterfly effects created by Shez' presence changed things just enough that it created opportunities for her that weren't present in the original game. Like with Monica for instance, she was only able to be rescued because Jeritza had his class placed on bandit duty one month earlier than Byleth in the original game. This is what created the opportunity to save Monica and that rescue resulted in TWSITD being exposed super early. So Edelgard was able to have them eliminated without making herself look suspicious in the process. It's not that she was stupid in Three Houses. It's just that things never quite fell into place for her in that game so that she could make the moves she is making here. She wasn't on Bandit duty in the first month of Three Houses. Instead, she had to participate in a simple mock battle, which cost her the only chance she would have had to rescue Monica and set all of this in motion.
@@jkarma3356 If you take too long on the Flayn rescue map she warps in and takes her.
I've never really been into alternate timelines, but I actually really like what they're done so far with what was in the demo. I like how all the changes flow logically from one point to the next. It doesn't feel like an asspull. I'm also really glad that the stories diverge so early. I had a real tough time getting through the 3rd and 4th playthroughs in Three Houses because of those 1st 12 chapters...
In fact I think the one thing I'm kind of skeptical about is the eventual rematch with Byleth. Maybe its because the merc friends Shez is getting revenge for were generic models that were only on screen for a couple minutes, maybe its because the conflict spawned from the two groups being hired by opposing sides instead of there being some kind of battle of ideals, but the revenge ambition feels flimsy at best and actively disinteresting at worst. Like, all I can really think to say to Shez is "get over it, p***y".
If the game just gets to a point and Shez is suddenly all "ok, now I'm strong enough to kill the Ashen Demon", I imagine it'll feel pretty unsatisfying. Still, the writing has been pretty great so far, so here's hoping for the best on that front.
I want a Glenn reveal 😏
Byleth doesn't join the Monastery, and the world seemingly enters a brighter timeline. Damn!
I got a small whiplash when, in no time at all, we're already playing a post time skip. On top of it all, they literally leave the school in no time at all.
I can't help but fanboy all over this game and how it gives us so much lore. If nothing else, we will at least have got lore and charcter reveals we wouldn't have otherwise, and I love it.
The fact that got the most part almost EVERYTHING is better without Byleth in the drivers seat will forever be funny to me lol. Like with Sothis control over time I head Canon Byleth and Sothis eventually unlocking the Doctor Strange timellines thing and then just sitting down to contemplate existence
I swear if that's actually the plot twist, Byleth realizing that their presence in the first place might be what's changing things for the worse.
@@Manavine
I think at some point, it will seem like it's improving. But the turning point might be when Arval gets their memories back. We don't know who or what Arval is, after all. It will all go downhill if Arval betrays Shez, and forces Shez to betray the Lords. That could be the turning point where Byleth needs to step back in and restore peace and balance again.
@@l.n.3372 Something tells me that Arval isn't exactly loyal to the Agarthan cause, and in any case, this one is an entirely new incarnation, unburdened by decisions of their past lives.
To be fair its still to early to tell we will have to wait and see how things play out
@@MrGksarathy
It's interesting for sure. Arval sees Kronya and willingly admits it brings mixed emotions. Not affection or hatred but simply ... Emotion. It's clear that Arval has a connection to the Agarthans and recognized them. But Arval cannot remember enough to know why.
with how story goes so far I say that the only different between route is which factions Shez is staying
Azure Gleam 4 and Golden WIldfire 4 start after Scarlet Blaze 4
the entire timeline likely be the same and the end goal will be similar
the different is Shez making the skirmishing win or lose for whichever side they pick
Yeah I noticed something similar. Blue Lions final demo chapter is after Edelgard has already taken Garreg Mach. And then Dimitri accepts church refugees into Faerghus. So we KNOW Edelgard will capture the monastery in every route: she's already done such when you play Blue Lions. Thus, it's simply a perspective matter. Shez with Edelgard will capture the monastery directly vs Shez with Dimitri will learn about it from afar. It's definitely a single timeline now, which is a nice change from 3 Houses where the routes did not converge.
@@l.n.3372 Yup and Edelgard going through the Allaince boarder with out permission brings Claude into the War as they are worried they will be invading next
@@4wheal
It's slightly more complicated for Claude tho. In the Golden Deer, he seems nervous that she will invade Leicester next. But in Black Eagles, count Gloucester and Acheron already gave Edelgard land to use for her camp base within the Alliance. So those cannot be the same situation, or else why doesn't Claude realize in Golden Deer that Edelgard is already in the Alliance territory?
@@l.n.3372 Unknown but it's made clear at this point in Golden Wildfire that the empire has been moving soldiers through alliance territory with out permission.
It seems short sighted on Edelgard part as this means she is pulling the Kingdom and Allaince into her war a lot sooner then she seems ready for.
@@4wheal
Oh! I didn't remember that Claude acknowledged that Edelgard is already in Alliance territory. If that's the case, then there's no plot holes at all.
However, if that IS the case, then why doesn't Claude call out count Gloucester for this in Golden Deer? Shouldn't Claude accuse the count of treason by allowing Edelgard to have Alliance territory?
Maybe I was trippin but I noticed that some characters were slightly rewritten? Like Felix is less of a dick to Dimitri after the time skip I was mindfucked when he referred to him as "Your Majesty" lol
Not really. He was much less of a dick because he received his father‘s title and a lot of the events in three houses never happened. Also Dimitri didn’t become a madman lol.
Felix is less of a dick to Dimitri because Dimitri is less of a bloodthirsty monster this time around. One of Felix's main gripes with Dimitri is that he forsook his kingdom in the name of revenge, which destabilized the kingdom and made life harder for everyone. That's changed this time around, as Dimitri took up the crown and is less focused on revenge, most likely because he killed Rufus, who to Dimitri is responsible for the royal family's death.
@@emperorjoker9240 I do remember before the time skip he still referred to him as "The Boar" though so I thought he had some animosity against him still but I could be wrong.
@@MitoRequiem In the C support with Shez(protag)+Felix he still calls him a boar. Which isn't available til after you start at base camp. I think he still sees him as a boar in some way, but he one is more professional as he has to be for his position, and two, in that cutscene he said "your majesty", he was accompanied by other political figures and lords, so in a more professional setting he shows respect, but in a 1 on 1 convo with a peer, he is a bit more sharp with his words, but it's not overdone, I think characters having more sides/different ways of presenting themselves, as that is what some humans do based on your circumstances or who you may be interacting, so I think it is more realistic the way they've presented so far.
@@1ViivviiXMusic1 Exactly
i'm not a fan of the warriors games (they're the fastest way to hand cramps imo) but oooh man am i definitely wanting to get this one for all the story
im still mad at edelgard for betraying my house and i want to defeat her again in three hopes
Was it the Agarthans that teleported the bandits into their stronghold? Like, tactically, it doesn't make any sense for them to do so, they don't care about the bandits survival, and it'd only lead the Knights of Seiros closer to them. I feel like it's more likely for Edelgard to have had her hand in this, since we also see her and Hubert make use of warp-magic in Three Houses as well.
I also find the circumstances around the 2 year timeskip interesting, as in the base game, the 5 year timeskip happens DURING the war, and we only get to see the end of it and the results, but here, the 2 year timeskip is to PREPARE for the war, which on one hand means she thinks she can make up for the support she lost from the Agarthans with just 2 years more prep-time interestingly, which we have yet to see how well that goes since the Agarthans beasts were actually a huge help against Rhea as the Immaculate One for example, and that's something Edelgard can't just replicate in 2 years I'd assume, but it also puts us towards the beginning of the war... which ironically plays out very similarly to the end of the war we witnessed as Byleth...
So far, I definitely enjoyed the changes in Edelgards route the most, as they really explain how and why this route is so different from the original Three Houses, but I doubt it'll stay this way since from here out, the game seems to very much follow a completely original path that doesn't really require much explanation in how it came to differ from Three Houses.
I like Dimitris route giving us a more complete explanation of what was behind the Tragedy of Duscur in just telling us that the one that killed Lambert was Rufus, and it was also interesting to see that they were actually able to reconstruct more exactly what happened during the Tragedy through following Rufus' and Cornelias business-interactions from back then, which also probably means Dimitri was able to find most of this stuff out in Three Houses after everything was said and done... however, we didn't really get anything about what role Dimitris mother played in all of this yet either, why Cornelia made a deal with her when she already had another guy on the inside with Rufus...
As much as I love the Golden Deer, I feel like they're probably the weakest route so far and probably will stay, since... fitting for Claude, the outsider, the alliance is just kinda a third party for the most part, which kinda made Verdant Wind the least interesting route in the base-game as well if it wasn't for the lore... which is now an advantage that Golden Wildfire probably won't have anymore, there's not much more new lore to be gained that we wouldn't also gain from the other 2 routes, so it needs a new hook. And looking at the datamines, there might be one, but I'm not sure if that'll be enough.
I think it was more to throw the knights off of their trail, but Jeritza and his blood sensing was outside their calculations.
@@MrGksarathy Still though, the Agarthans had no reason to keep the Bandits safe in the first place, they could've just slaughtered them way before they made it even close to the stronghold and kept the knights away that way, basically how they did it in base-3H.
I gotta say, Edelgard has some pretty big brain plays early on from what I see!
It's cool, but in Dimitri's 3 Hopes route, it highlights how some of her choices are seen not so great by others. And honestly, I like that a lot. My main issue with CF was that nothing Edelgard did ever had any consequences or really any follow up her actions. No one ever reacted to what she did. But in 3 Hopes, we get Edelgard pulling a strategic badass and cool move, but we also see how outsiders see that move and how it negatively impacts their views on her, and everyone comes out a better character.
@@toriwork8891
My problem with this is that I'm certain Edelgard stans will blame Dimitri yet again, claiming that Dimitri accepted church refugees so Edelgard has a right to invade the Kingdom now. Which is BS. But you know Edelgard stans will use that excuse as a justification anyway.
@@l.n.3372 What I personally like is that the game puts effort into establishing why Dimitri is going to war. He and his group recognise that just letting it happen is a valid option, but then they would be at the mercy of Edelgard pulling whatever she wants and they just don't want to risk that sh*t. So it's either completely reworking the fundament of the kingdom's legitimacy from scratch or drawing steel.
@@l.n.3372 Ignore it. 3H discourse has people acting like morons to defend their "beloved character"
@@l.n.3372 Yup I have seen people attacking Claude as well for defending his boarders and how he should have just let Edelgard do what she wanted.