The Cult of Hockey's "So close and yet so far in Dallas" podcast
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- Let's do this! The Cult of Hockey podcast. By the Faithful and for the Faithful, tonight with Bruce McCurdy and David Staples. Tonight they dig into Edmonton's 3-1 loss to the Stars of Dallas with their 2 Good Things, 2 Bad Things, 2 Numbers and 1 Conundrum podcast
My bad thing is the third line again. McLeod just hasn’t been getting the job done same with Ryan, lucky we have Henrique back hopefully he can get a spark out of that.
I like the thumbnail of Bruce pounding it back 🤣
Aside from early on in the Kings series I can't remember a time when putting McDavid and Draisaitl together actually was effective in sustaining pressure. The team looked great when they were rolling four lines in the first game
Hi David and Bruce! Collin from Grande Prairie here. Love the show you guys. Been watching faithfully for the last 5 years. Whether it be a good or bad game I always look forward to listening to your well informed and honest assessments. Let’s Go Oilers!
And mcLeod - he is so often really so ineffective. If one looks at the 2nd goal against - he swerves 'out of the way' of the shot on goal to avoid getting hit - when other players attempt to block shots. He is really afraid and so often playing to protect himself - avoiding the net etc - which has to be a clear cut reason to abandon/get another player. 27 playoff shifts - no assists, goals, few shots.. A team killer - then Bouch doing similar on the 3rd goal against - was in line to block Lindell shot into the empty net - but swerves away from the net to give Lindell a direct shot into an open net. (but has been otherwise good)
YES SIR! MCLEOD NEEDED TO LEAVE AFTER GAME 7 against Vancouver.
why is McLeod still allowed on the ice??? nobody knows
Agreed. Mcleod needs to man up if he wants to keep playing in the playoffs. He started getting a bit more physical but he ALWAYS cowers when it's a race to the puck and there's a chance he might get hit. He needs to be willing to take a hit in order to keep the play moving.
@@user-oq5pq6xe2h MCLEOD needed to block the shot and the oilers win the game in overtime. McLeod is 100% to blame for game 2 loss.
@@nuvve8159 Yup I think Henrique is in , MCleod is out. At least for a game to see how it goes.
Not getting that puck out is my bad thing
Derrick Ryan, what was he thinking? Just waiting for the puck to come to him.
Worst goalie pull in the history of NHL
Finally! I watch you guys every night. I live in Los Angeles.
I love Bouchard as a player but I was baffled by his lack of effort on the empty net goal
I had said too my friends also he didn’t even try getting in front of that shot?
WTH?
McDavid is NOT himself. Unfortunately, we wont find out until they get booted OR win the cup. He is slow! So many players are catching him now. He can't make a pass if he tried! He looks old and tired. McDavid needs to be better for Oilers to win against Dallas.
I still think McDavid is hurt when Zadorov gave him that slimy crosscheck in the back 3rd game.
Good thing I'm not Muslim, I would put a fatwa out on him.
@@Siggi395lol funny joke. But ya thag double team crosscheck from Vancouver definitely took a chunk outta him.
We do know, they let it slip he has laryngitis.
I sort of agree, a lot of his passes are getting picked off and his straight line speed isn't there, however, in tight and in short spaces he still seems to move very well, spin and avoid big hits. He is still making plays and creating things, especially in game one. He played well 3 games in a row, game 6 and 7 vs Van and game 1 vs Dallas so this was an off night for him. A bit of rest and home game in front of a rabid crowed he might be able to turn it up a notch and have another big game!
Oilers will need to find some finish around the net. Soo many good chances that were muffed. Hopefully we see a regression to the mean, and more goals on the board next game.
Welcome to Dallas Stars hockey after game 1. Game 1 for Stars was almost expected with their history. Game 2,3,4 will decide the fate of this series. Hope the oil can elevate as a whole team.
Long post follows. Read / Don't Read up to you. Statistics for Round 3 Playoff Game 2 Edmonton at Dallas May 25th, 2025. These are "Base" statistics and are simply a foundation for reference not the detailed stats the Cult of Hockey compiles.
Score: Oilers 1, Stars 3. Series tied 1-1 going to Edmonton.
Edmonton Oilers
Brown 1 Goal
Ceci 1 Primary Assist
Foegele 1 Secondary Assist
Skinner 22 Saves on 24 Shots = .917 Save %age (58 mins played)
Dallas Stars
Benn 1 Goal, 1 Primary Assist (on Empty Net)
Marchment 1 Goal
Lindell 1 Goal (Empty Net)
Johnson 1 Primary Assist, 1 Secondary Assist (Empty Net)
Heiskanen 1 Secondary Assist
Suter 1 Primary Assist
Steel 1 Secondary Assist
Oettinger 28 Saves on 29 Shots = .966 Save %age (Excellent)
3 Stars: 3-Skinner (.917 Save %age), 2-Oettinger (.966 Save %age), Marchment (1 Goal, GWG)
Edmonton Dallas
Shots on Goal 29 25
Hits 20 31
Faceoffs Won 28 27
PP 0/2 0/1
Giveaways 6 5 (3 per NST)
Takeaways 5 11
Blocked Shots 9 (8 per NST) 22 (19 per NST)
Player TOI SOG +/- PIM Hits Blocks Giveaways Takeaways
Bouchard 27:22 3 -1 0 0 0 0 0
Ekholm 24:24 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ceci 17:10 1 0 0 0 1 0 0
Nurse 16:44 2 0 2 0 1 0 1
Kulak 15:46 0 0 0 0 4 1 0
Desharnais 15:13 0 -1 0 2 2 1 0
McDavid 24:29 1 -1 0 2 0 1 0
Draisaitl 23:28 1 -1 0 1 0 0 1
Hyman 23:23 2 0 0 1 0 0 0
Nuge 18:47 0 -1 0 2 0 0 0
Kane 17:55 5 -2 2 2 0 0 0
Holloway 14:24 2 -1 0 2 0 2 1
McLeod 11:03 2 -1 0 2 0 0 0
Foegele 10:46 2 -2 0 3 0 1 1
Brown 10:33 3 1 0 0 0 0 1
Janmark 9:49 2 0 1 0 0 0 0
Carrick 9:17 0 1 0 2 0 0 0
Ryan 8:20 0 -1 0 1 1 0 0
Oilers Faceoffs Won Lost Percent
Draisaitl 13 8 61.9
McDavid 8 7 53.3
Carrick 4 3 57.1
McLeod 2 2 50.0
Kane 1 1 50.0
Ryan 0 2 0.00
Nuge 0 3 0.00
Brown 0 1 0.00
Stars Faceoffs Won Lost Percent
Pavelski 11 7 61.1
Seguin 8 6 57.1
Benn 3 1 75.0
Duchene 2 3 40.0
Steel 1 3 25.0
Marchment 1 0 100.0
Dellandrea 1 4 20.0
Johnson 0 4 0.00
Skinner lets in the first shot. Oilers respond with depth scoring less than a minute later when Brown gets a goal (rebound from original shot and that's why it's important have someone there in case there is a rebound). After that, scoring wise, all Dallas. Both PP's at 0% (again) and both PK's at 100% (again). Oilers shot 4 more shots, hit less (20 to 31), won one more faceoff, had one more giveaway, 6 fewer takeaways (so less than half) and really blocked a lot fewer shots (9 to 22 for Dallas). Both Oettinger and Skinner were stars of the game with Oettinger letting in 1 and Skinner letting in 2 (plus an empty netter). Ekholm's shot off of the knob of Oettinger's stick plus the Marchment deflection are coming to mind concerning missed opportunities but. The Oilers big guns didn't score. Honestly the stats don't really explain either of the first two games very well as it was close to a coin toss either way. There were some "questionable" calls and some non-calls (the crosscheck on Ekholm by way of example) but the ref's weren't the biggest issue. Neither was getting "to" Oettinger, it was getting it past him plus an unlucky deflection that got past Skinner. That was the game really. While I wish the Oilers would have blocked more shots on this night I don't know if it would have made a difference as Skinner stopped all but 2 and at least one of those involved a supersize me dose of luck on Marchment's part. Take care all.
Refs put their whistles away until the very end of the game, worst goalie pull I have seen, Oilers can't clear the puck out when they have the chance. Otherwise it was a pretty decent effort.
This was like too many of those Vegas games from last year...great opportunity they let slip away. Dallas was ripe for the picking. Where is the Ryan McLeod we loved in previous playoffs?
We had our chances just didnt convert
McDavid and Drieseitl were thoroughly neutralized tonight.
I say throw a major wrinkle into this series for game 3. Take out Mcleod, Carrick and Ryan, Put in Sam Gagner, Perry and Henrique! get some fresh guys in there, throw the stars a curve ball. I think Gagner will come with some good energy, he will work and grind and get a big goal! Perry will be rested and stir the pot, get under the skin of some of the stars players and Henrique will also be fresh and provide some steady two way play all game long!
Papa Clutch ,was born to be an impact player.Only a green Coach would overlook him this long.
3 road games in a row, against top competition is going to take a toll. I’m afraid 97 isn’t going to revert back to his top form in these playoffs so the rest of the team will have to step up. Luckily we have some well rested players, possibly they should have gone in at the third tonight but let’s see how they do in game 3.
With 10:40 left in the first Bouchard dangles and shoots then gets a cross check from Suter. No call on the play.
I don't think Cory Perry will be around next season.
Duh
HOLLY CRAP, did I hear you say McLeod goes to block the shot????? OMG you totally didn't play any significant level of hockey. That effort was NOT going to block the shot, that effort was let me look like I'm trying to cover the guy at the point. BLOCKING the shot is going at the defenceman HARD and then making some sort of effort such as a goalie move OR sliding on the ground. What McLeod did was.... "let me make it look like I'm trying to cover my point". Come on, did you even play hockey?
Can anyone explain to me why Ganger is not playing in Mcleod's (0-0-0) place??
They should have put in Calvin Pickard to put the Oilers on alert. You will not win without hitting on a soft team.
Exactly. They stopped hitting this game, and lost. Went through this shit in Vancouver too and for the life of me, I can't understand why in the hell they would stop. They crash, they win. It's that simple.
Boys don’t forget we’re down to the final 4 and everyone is good. Dallas had to win. Stay tuned Monday and get your bad things ready to go I can hardly wait to hear. Maybe if you broadcast from the morgue it would be more exciting. Probably pump up your followers.
Second? I wouldn't want the Oilers to have won four straight. I hope they get it done in 6, though
A former oiler said that Holloway reminds them of a young Adam Graves from the ‘90 cup. I agree, great to see him finding his stride.
I agree with Bruce, McLeod has been a weak link in the oilers cog recently. Why not move Nuge down to the third line if Henrique comes back? Then McLeod can move down the lineup and Ryan doesn’t have to play centre. Now that we have depth I’d like to see the “Centre’s Three” setup before we go “nuclear” lol
Cept that graves was 100x as tuff and did all of Messiers fighting for him. I don't see Holloway intimidating anyone physically.
Mcleod needs to sit. I appreciate him throwing more body checks but the number of soft plays he makes is ridiculous.
That 4th line has played really well. It would be a slap in their face if they took one of them out.
These games are not going to be won with team speed! The stars neutralized McDavid's speed yesterday. Oilers were held to the perimeter and that needs to change. They need people willing to stand in front of the net. Look for tips, rebounds etc. They need to hit hard on the forecheck. Dallas D is finesse over size. Wear them down.
With the structured style the game has evolved to, offense is becoming more and more dependent on bounces rather than that perfect play. If the Oilers keep looking for that perfect play like they did in game 2, its going to be really frustrating to watch.
Gags should have been in his place long ago. No one in their right mind would think Gags would have ZERO points right now, Which is what McLeod has.
Horrible goalie pull
💯
They played tired, they played on fumes, the hard fought game from Monday night finally caught up. They need some rest and back on home ice. Win next game.
谢谢袁丽
COME ON, MCLEOD SHOULD HAVE BEEN BENCHED AFTER GAME 7 WITH THE CANUCKS. MCLEOD SHOULD HAVE BLOCKED THE SHOT GAME 2 WITH STARS. COME ON, TIME TO PULL THIS A$$!!!!!! Kris says the story of this game is the goalies. WRONG. The story of this game is bad coaching. Bench/Replace McLeod AND please please figure out when you're pulling the goalie! Pulled him way tooooooooo early.
2 minutes is normal some teams do it with 3 mintes left. in the 90's it was alway 1 minute left!
@@sukhjitsingh8269 Cant get faceoffs in the O-zone now because you cannot freeze the puck anymore, so you must pull really early as soon as you have O-zone possession. Time to change the rule back again, Faceoffs create offense. The rule was designed to speed up the game fo Fans ... Teams now want Fans in the building and area longer to spend more money and MORE GOALS so time to change it back..
...gawd, I'm not freaking out. wait... maybe a little (whole lot) bit... the chances missed in the first two periods were absolutely crushing (to me). In the 3rd the STARS played the way we played with a lead. I really can't think of anything 29/97 had going for much of the game. I hope McLeod/Foegele realize how much this team needs them to make something happen. 28 can't be expected to do it himself. Ha....
Clouder has started hitting the issue isn't hitting its going to the tough places to score which is still not happening
Cloud's """""hits"""""" can't even break through a Kleenex. its like watching a little boy who can't keep up with the adults and on top of that is scared of getting hit himself. he hasn't contributed anything to his team, in fact he makes more problems for them. he needs to hit the bench permanently.
I am happy, they played their hearts out.
71 has the heart of the wizard of oz cowardly lion. Sit his butt down. Play Henrique 3rd line center. Leave 4th line as is, playing very well.
Henrique in, Mcleod or Ryan out. Tough choice. Ryan is gritty, both guys defend well, both guys have caused goals against. I think Mcleod has more potential upside if he can start scoring. We know DR ain't gonna start getting the puck in the net.
Been wondering what Bruce is warning against petting.
Don't Pet the...?
Dog?
Sweaty Things?
Dragon?
Fluffy Crows?
Teacher?
Vinny is the only one out there that plays as soft as MacLeod.... The team doesn't come out with that same banging energy, and look what happens. Boo.
Physically harassing the goalie didn't draw the penalties that Edmonton was counting on and it bit them on the ass.
I agree with you guys almost always but there wasn’t a lot of things I’d say the oilers did wrong this game
McLeod, a Gen Z player, like Dallas.
Oilers need to stop pulling the Goalie. They just can't hold puck posessiona at all in these situations.... so so often a turnover within seconds... and an auto goal-against. effectively taking away the remaining 2mins or so that the team would otherwise have to tie up games. STATS REVIEW would be interesting.
Ryan McLeod rarely engages in the physical part of the game and when he does it seems forced - certainly not his skill set. In my opinion he’s just not an intense player and therefore he’s not built for playoff hockey. If he wasn’t such a superb skater he would be the easy choice to sit.
Has anyone ever considered that he may be carrying some extra mental baggage given that his brother, Michael, will likely never play in the NHL again and may even spend some time in prison. Surely that is a burden.
Dubas "rumors say" did some burying of certain situational Dynamics ...before the NHL...if those old bones get dug up we will see more fireworks in Civil court, hes got money now the little puke. Its better for the Game of Hockey to clear these things up nowadays.
Add Cory Perry to draw penalties? Isn't that why they acquired him? His aggravating chirping. 🤔
Oilers in 6
No penalties called against Dallas because the NHL does not want a Canadian team to be in the Stanley Cup Final. The refs need and should call all infractions, but Bettman does not want to give the Oilers any power plays. We'll see how the refs call it in Edmonton.
Nurse just can't keep making these blunders. He should be our best D Man - period. He's paid more than enough to be the guy and he's hardly the 3rd best in our lineup. It's pissing everyone off. He's not playing up to his contract and it doesn't seem like he's doing anything to change that. Got his contract now he's coasting. Barely hits anyone. Doesn't seem to take any smart shots. Silly mistakes constantly. Something's gotta give.
Silovs and Garland had nothing to do with this one Bruce although I bet they wish they had😂
I live Connor brown and I think he will get his scoring back next year first sure!
Skinner lets in the 1st Shot...wind leaves Oilers Sails....Otter wins the Goalie battle...game over.
Oilers ran out of gas.
Kane given so many opportunities.. not converting on any was a killer..... followed by his taking a slashing penalty when Oilers were given the PP... He needs to be a finisher
Everyone's freaking out. No worries, it's in the bag
I say take Ryan out. He is a good PKer but so is Henrique. Ryan is the lowest minute player on the team for a reason
So snowflake, post game is asked about officiating and he very softly, very meekly, states that gee wiz officiating is so different in playoffs, more infractions are let go. NEWS FLASH ROOKIE, hitting, which u state is not important, also ramps up. Coaching in playoffs much different then regular season. Coffee needs to tune this pacifist in and get all players, 71 are u listening, up to the reality of playoff, big boy, hockey. If not we may be able to get past stars but Rangers or Panthers will run us out of the rink.
lol not so excited tonight? like i said if my team loses feel free to insult me u have my permission, im telling you, ur in for a big surprise if u think ur team is any close to ours
Ya, the Oilers are actually better.... When they show up.