I dont think any other team could have beaten France at home, they were ferocious and their fans deafening. AB's couldnt and I dont think Ireland would have. Boks should not be discounted so easily.
It’s funny to hear Chris Robshaw say SA didn’t do a lot when it was SA that engineered one try and looked threatening on at least a couple other attacks yet England never fired a shot to attempt to score a try.
Also, Ben said a couple of times to the English in that last scrum that he gave the penalty for the knee touching the ground before it went sideways!!! I mean come on!! No one is taking about that. The knee touched the ground before it went sideways!
He penalised that scrum because the england player had a knee down before all the other stuff you referred to happened. The ref was very clear on that, surprised you cant hear than. The ref was 2m away from that scrum and on the side of the transgression. We saw very little footage from that side. I would rather trust a ref with that decision than a pundit.
You can see the knee go down on the far side of the scrum from the original live angle. Obvious as effing day if you focus on the only spot it could happen. Counterintuitive, but still… you’d think to have a look before spouting off publicly
Its been said so many times already, same with the 2007 "try", unfortunately, if they cant concede to that knee now, then it looks like we can expect biased bitching for years to come.
Strange that.......refs do tend to let that sort of thing slide if a player can get back on his feet. I suspect if the loosehead hadn't angled in after regaining his footing the referee would have let it slide!
Its kinda sad to say this, but this world cup showed me how toxic a lot of the rugby watching public, pundits and players can be. Just hoping that the final will be one for the ages. Im sure SA and AB's will bring it!
I can forgive the fans, we are way too emotional and subjective. The pundits on the other hand are obnoxious. The Irish and NZ are the worst. These New Zealanders are always waiting to tell us what good rugby looks like and this includes their coach after our our game against Ireland. South African pundits on the other hand are classy. Complement the opponents but mainly focusing on our strengths
@@sifisomagagula5476 Some South African pundits are pretty appalling too. It isn't a nation-specific thing, you just need to pick and choose who you listen to more.
To be honest I don’t think South Africa is being given enough credit. We definitely did not play a fantastic game last week, England played a much better game, but we won for a reason, not by chance. Every other game in the World Cup and outside of the World Cup we’ve been a strong team, and we win because we fight hard and play hard. This team never gives up and they really do deserve to be in this final 🇿🇦
SA are strong but outside of the World Cup they lose coming to the northern hemisphere and they only won last weekend because of pollard. That’s one guy that saved them in my opinion.
@@unleashedmystery Lol, we lost 2 games against the northern hemisphere in since 2019 till this world cup.... All those games played on your home soil and your home stadiums. Let France or Ireland come tour SA and see how they fair. Also, where is your logic my guy, Pollard is our kicker. Take out the kicker of any team and they will suffer....
@@unleashedmystery most of our players don't even play their rugby in South Africa. That is why our local teams don't do that well in international competitions. Our currency can't compete with the Euro and the Pound.
@@patrickchilds2987 We don't think that, but the whole of England and France (unfortunately the host nation) absolutely hates us and think our win was corrupt.
Not true at all. New Zealand and especially the Springboks are no better than France and Ireland. Clearly not. But New Zealand is much more deserving of this place in the final, so go for the ABs.
@@timseytiger9280 lol won.... the springboks won by a micro point against France and against England with, for both matches, the help of the referee mister BEN O'KEEFFE. They were not better in the quarter. When you only win by one point it's more luck. The matches were balanced. On the other hand, it's true that the All Blacks fought well against the Irish for once. But lately, the french always won against South Africa and the All Blacks in friendly matches. And they beat New Zealand by more than 10 points at this World Cup. Honestly no, I'm sorry. They are no better than the french and the irish.
@@aliceg6745 your use of the word "lately" baffles me. France won ONE game against SA earlier this year, previous couple SA won. I would have been pleased with any of the top 4 teams in the final, they are all great and played great rugby this RWC. What Ireland and France did lack, which probably cost them their spots (and it's NOT the referee, bad calls went both ways)...is BMT (Big Match Temperament), something you only learn from hard knock-out rugby like the RWC. They will learn from this, and probably rock up in 2027 with much more BMT and even better teams - I for one hope they do.
Interesting comment from Sergio re France not even thinking about the QF they were thinking about the final. That’s the problem right there, like Ireland they already believed they were going to win the whole thing before they had played what was in front of them
@@riri1718 Exactly. They keep on going about they are the number 1 side. The team that wins the World Cup will be the number 1 side. The number one before the World Cup don't mean shit.
Have to step in as an Irish fan. We never liked being favorites. Against the AB's that's a complete joke. We've been on the receiving end for over 100 yrs and the very first time we elevate our game to the level where we can compete, Suddenly we are perceived as cocky?? Please! AB's played better on the day, move on!
No matter how the boks won, they did this world cup a favor. Because to have England in the final would have been massive disrespect to France, Ireland, and the rest of the great teams that were on the "wrong" side of this planning fiasco (early draw).
Bit harsh ,admittedly yes the draw certainly helped England but that's on WR and host nation for calling for the early draw . Its a knockout tournament , there is no disrespect. , bit it wouldn't have been great
37:05 No James. South Africa did not get the rub of the green in the England game. Quite the opposite, actually. England got the rub of the green for the majority of that game.
And then if you listen to the referee he clearly says "looshead to his knees and then in, knees first and then in" while mimicking his knee going down. Don't know what this journalist watched for hours but it couldn't be clearer explained.
When Rassie complained about officiating, WR banned him for a year. Nobody supported him. Everybody distanced themselves. We Bok fans have always complained about the Ref and have been called whingers at every turn. We warned that teams will have a big mouth only when officiating didn't suit them or an officiating decision went against a big team at the WC. I guess South Africans know nothing. Bokke Forever 💚💛🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Exactly, Rassie provided a great opportunity for other coaches to support his cause but he was told, over and over again, that it was demeaning to take issue with coaches. And now everyone and their dog is blaming the refs.
What I find deeply frustrating as a South African fan is that the overwhelming message from NZ, Irish, French and other pundits is "we don't want people to play like South Africa, because they just play with the forwards and kick the ball a lot and rely on the set piece, and that's not good for rugby - it's boring and no good for the game". In the 2019 World Cup, NZ scored 36 tries, South Africa 33, the next closest team were on 22!! In this World Cup South Africa have matched or outscored, in terms of tries, every team they've played; that includes Ireland, France, Scotland and England; if you include the warmup games which adds NZ and Wales ... well South Africa trumped their warmup opposition for tries as well. So my question is ... do the pundits even watch rugby?
I think it's the point that they score mostly from a maul, or a broken play where the opposition doesn't catch the high ball. SA def has better quality backs now a days, but still "ugly" rugby for most of the game. SA is 4th in tries scored this world cup so far. NZ has 48 v SA 27
The problem is with the type of rugby in that England vs SA semi final is it is not attractive rugby to bring in new sporting fans. If that hadn't been a world cup semi, if it didn't have such high stakes, it would have been a pretty dull sporting event. Kick, chase, kick again. If rugby is to survive and thrive, it has to be an attractive sporting spectacle. There's a lot of competition for eyeballs these days.
@@garethpearce5255 You saw the conditions, yeah. Let's see if the ABs want to play sexy rugby in the rain tomorrow. Probably not a great idea. I love the apples vs oranges comparisons.
@@ballasgleek well italy is better than tonga, uruguay is better than romania, ireland better than france, england barely better than argentina, the only glaring difference is SA playing scotland and NZ playing namibia
It's interesting to hear how little pundits speak about individual SA and NZ players in comparison compared to the other countries. Maybe suggests how much more of a complete squad these two finalists are
It’s a tough one, obviously I’d have loved to have seen Scotland in there, but back in the real world. Definitely a bit disappointed there’s no France or Ireland, but this will be a belter anyway. I’m going with the Boks to win a very tight , hard physical game. Can’t wait
it's funny how nobody speaks about the first half when SA were attacking in the England 22 and De Allende picks up the ball from the ruck to make a pass...Farrell lying prone on his back in an offside position lifts his leg and trips De Allende, causing him to drop the ball...that's a yellow card every day of the week and twice on Monday's...but nothing given, ref takes us back to the advantage...so many incidents like this, but everybody chooses to focus on the mistakes against England 😅😅
@@aldobonaso3481why not watch any content by the discredited rugby Am sure you will love it South African media content maker TA Analysis, there is literally hours of content about how the Boks are hard done in every game by not just England but everyone and strangely never any content on ref positive outcomes against the Boks . It’s a wonder how they do it .
The Boks are lucky to be. Current World Champions. No 1 in World Rankings. Hold the highest number of World Cups. So obviously, being in this final is just luck again.
@@masterq2.033 They don't hold the highest number of World Cups - they share the same number with NZ - and none of those things are relevant. Teams only 'deserve' to progress in knockout rugby by beating their opponent on the day. End of story. SA 'deserve' to be in the final because they have done exactly that in each round, as have NZ.
I wish the score denialists would finally decide whether the actual winner is the team that played the flashiest style, the team that deserved it more in the subjective opinion of the opinionator, or the team that feels themselves stronger. If only we can come up with a metric for performance within a given 80mins.
One factor these panelists fail to realize is that when it’s NZ vs Boks, fitness, form etc count very little. The rivalry between these two giants is what really counts. This is like in a classico. You may find Barcelone coming into El Classico having lost to minnows and maybe on a losing streak of three games but come the day, they rise like a phoenix due to the history of the rivalry. Can’t wait for Saturday
I was trying to look up before last weekends semi (SA vs Eng) when last SA played a test match in the rain. Wasn't successful. I would also like to know maybe in the last 2 years or so how many times that happened. I was very worried when I saw the weather for Paris last Saturday, and I see its the same weather dish on the menu for the Final next weekend. After a decade or 2 of being criticized for being one dimensional the Boks have nurtured some blitzy backs and tried to diversify their game. England kicked the leather off the ball and did it with precision, something we were drawn and quartered for in our style of play leading up to and during the last RWC. The amount of Faff memes was impressive at the time. 😁 Chris made a great point of the zero handling errors by AB's against Ire in the semi. In the rain next week I wager that won't be the case and that plays into SA's hands with the scrums. Ire scrum against SA was pretty darn solid. The 1st half Eng dominated everywhere, with precision high balls and the 'rub of the green, bounce of the ball' as James mentions (from an SA supporter) was less than kind for SA and Eng capitalized on this. Nothing went our way but Kudos to Eng for creating the pressure and their own luck. Thats rugby. Eng scored only 3 points (Farrel drop goal) to SA's 10 in the 2nd half in a low scoring game. That's telling enough as to how well either side was doing in that period. As for the SA try Deon Fourie's run around the lineout was immense, unopposed with many meters gained, and really set that try up for Snyman I think SA with a 6-2 split, even 7-1, with Pollard and Faff starting. Its wet, try keep it upfront and grind it out with a forward heavy team. Good luck to the 'Old Foe', but would be great if the Boks winnit! 🏆😁 If SA do win, they would have played the other 4 top 5 teams in World rankings in the competition to achieve that feat. Got a feeling the AB's don't want that to happen and both teams will be vying for a 4th trophy. Lots at stake and a fitting final.
I said on one of your vids prior to the world cup, amongst all the Kiwi negativity, THE ALL BLACKS ARE ALWAYS CONTENDERS REGARDLESS, I hope you all believe now lol. But unfortunately I'll be rooting against y'all in the final 😉. Good luck, and may the best team win.
The green side struggled to get into the white kant on the playing field this past Saturday, but they will have more entries into the black kant on Saturday. Boks by 6 or 9.
Two great sides and one is going to make history.Chris you are going to get your prediction correct ,very sensible and this is why.Springboks have never lost in a final.Springboks are world no:1 Springboks beat Allblacks 35-7 prior to worldcup.Springbok bench for me carries more venom.And also Springboks have won the worldcup in France before. James you say rub of the green ,I say it is only great teams that find a way to win. Springboks 2023 Champions!
England had an easy route to the semifinals.South Africa deserved to be in the final had the toughest pool Ireland Scotland and also France in the semi’s as an Irish man I’m backing the Bok’s
Can’t agree with James on a few levels. SA have not really had the run of the green. I can point to a number of crucial moments that have not gone their way: 1. When Bandi Aki flew in from the side to collapse the maul at the end of the Ireland game. 2. Woki getting in the way of Faf’s pass to stop what looked to be a certain try against France. 3. Farrell (again) getting away with murder by interfering on the ground by blocking Reinach’s pass on England’s line with his knee. That was cynical and possibly prevented a try. Should have been a yellow. These all happened right in front of o’Keefe, and I don’t think he reffed to offsides in mauls and rucks well. All crucial moments in the game that the Boks managed to put behind them, hold their heads, and win by the narrowest of margins. That is what you want in a RWC final, more than any other quality. I was initially worried that the Boks would be too flat against ABs after 2 massive games, but this is a monumental RWC final. There will be no problem with digging deep, putting the best performance in for 50 minutes, and then allowing a fired up and rested bomb squad dominate the last 30 minutes. This strategy has been perfected over 8 years, and it can’t be simulated by other teams overnight.
The rugby world is being coaxed into false belief that the Boks are down and out. Yes - they've been through a few tough battles up until now, but mark my words - this team have been meticulously planning for this WC final since before 2019. Most give them no to little chance on Saturday - and that is exactly where they want to be.... so, expect the unexpected. Underestimate the Boks at your own peril. ;-)
I would never underestimate the boks, I also believe the boks are going to be well and truly up for this game, I think it will be the toughest game the abs have played in years, could go either way
Everyone always has an opinion on the ref. None of us can do a better job than any of them. I also think that any quality team, should play well enough to not have a refeering call be the decider.
I have the same feeling i had against Ireland quietly confident the ABs will win also SA haven't beaten NZ in a game with something on the line since 2019 when they last won the RC 🇳🇿
Stats like that are nice to look at but mean nothing to be fair, I could say similar things in favour of the Springboks like the thrashing they last gave the AB's or that the Springboks have never lost a final🤷🏻at the end of the day this is the mother of all finals between two teams who to be fair, on the day you'd have to flip a coin
Well not if you count the very prestigious Qatar Airways cup😂 Aai that is true my friend, but hey, maybe the Springboks can win this one game where the WC is on the line?
@@vanmyaf9119 lol we will have to wait and see bud. I'm very nervous but very excited at the same time, there's just too much to factor in that could mean a lot or could mean nothing at all, I love the AB's so much too, so I'm coming from a point where I'm backing my boys the Boks but at the same time just going to enjoy every second of this match regardless of the outcome
The semi finals was played in the quarter finals between France v South Africa and Ireland v New Zealand, but the final is the winners of them games. These 2 sides the best in the world, I'm supporting new zealand, but there 2 great sides good luck to both sides the winning team worthy of being world champions. ..👏👏👏👏
Shame James, it must be difficult to have the Springboks live rent free in your head. When 50/50 calls go against SA you have no problem with that. Hypocrite much?
James While is succinct in all his points...The finalist were both involved in the 2 best games in the tournament...France vs Ireland would have been a better final even fm an SA point of view...
I absolutely do not accept that the quarter final psycholigal hurdle was there for this Ireland team. They were far too strong to walk into that game with a mental handicap. They lost a coinflip, zero shame in that.
@@daggaboom - Yeah I totally get it. The point is everyone throws the term around which waters down the winners. I backed the all blacks to win. Many factors went into it, Irreland winning streak, there to be broken based purely in statistics, the irish thought they were already champs and the tournament a formality, no player rptation etc. So for me there was no coin flip, winner was clear.
Insightful perspectives from Parisse and Robshaw. So much history and gravitas on the menu for Saturday - looking forward to see the clash of contrasting styles that makes up the complete game of rugby as we love it
Last scrum has views on who did a penalty…seems to depend on which side of the scrum you were. Ref saw knee hit ground and then prop go in. Had he been on the other side…
Been a fan of two cents rugby for a while now. Dont know where you got the guy who lives in Paris's slummy side for 35 euro a day? To use a tennis analogy - Serving an ace counts just as much as winning a 40 shot rally. We beat France reduced to 14 men at one stage. Rub of the green? Many collisions were not cited etc. Our high ball that turned into a try was on purpose, does he think we went for touch? Did we get the rub of the green against Ireland? If useless Marler and his round chum were as hard and skilled as they looked, or if Englands captain had a higher IQ.....the list goes on and on. Our player rating were 3 and 4 out of ten for Semi finals and we still won LOL. This is the final everyone on earth wanted and the best teams by a mile made it through. Sergio Perisse says the players said they "felt strong" and dont know how they lost. Just look at the replay. They got beat. Go Bokke!!!!!!!!!!
The fact of the matter is ALL the teams the Springboks have played in this World Cup have been dominated by the Springboks pack in the end ---- "Definition: have a commanding influence on; exercise control over."
This is a one dimensional move of desperation for a 7/1 split from SA and shows how much they know that all they really have, is a strong forward pack and that doesn’t cut it. All Blacks way too dynamic. The average age of the springboks is 30 They have played 3 exceptionally bruising games against Ireland, France and England. One tough game against Scotland. They also have one day less in recovery before the finals, compared to the all blacks. The average age of the all blacks is 27 We have come through with 2 exceptionally hard games with France and Ireland and one relatively tough game with Argentina. The starting team that has just been named for the springboks have a cap total of 987 caps. The All Blacks have a test cap total of 1493 in their 33 man squad so I’m sure their 23 will have more caps. We’ve also been shown a blue print on how to leave the boks dazed if it rains. If it’s dry, we’re going to run rings around the boks. This game may be the biggest winning margin in any World Cup match. Let’s call it revenge for 95. We were poisoned and we would have won it if we weren’t This should be our 6th World Cup title win. Wayne Barnes robbed us of the other one, when he didn’t call forward passes, which he admitted was a mistake. We’re going to score tries early and have the boks chasing the score board for the whole match. The bomb squad will bring SA closer but we’ve got this. SA is lacking out wide. Badly. I’ve got $18,000 on the All Blacks. We’re going to leave Rassie as a stunned mullet as we will be running almost everything and the metabolic score from players that Rassie measures using the FGPS trackers will be thwarted as we’re going to be scoring, with forwards not having much rucks and mauls and work in collisions.
Great interview! Thanks so much to all of you for your time. Edited to add: James was wrong to say Ben called the penalty wrong, in fact he made it crystal clear what had happened and you can see it! That part is a little disappointing and someone else should have pushed back on that.
Sorry it’s clear that Genge’s knee hit the ground? I haven’t seen that footage. To me it looked like both props were folding in on each other at horrendous angle. (Kiwi here I was neutral watching)
@@prichard2151 yes absolutely the footage exists, there’s a photo of it too, saw it on Instagram and BJ Botha tweeted the photo and explained the call, which actually Ben O’Keffe explained well, he says, ‘ first it was knee to ground’
@@april-tui3524 cool. So back to that crystal clear stuff, was Genge penalised for not holding his weight or boring in? I thought it was an incredibly close one to call with a World Cup hanging in the balance
My humble prediction; English played out of their skins! Hats off to them but 10 man kicking low scoring rugby is always going to leave the door open for a Bokkes comeback. I think the AB's will win it by keeping the ball in play, by trusting their 15 man ball in hand interplay between backs and forwards wing to wing rugby. Against the Bokkes scrum penalties kick for points, AB's tries will prevail.
Martin with his shoulder charge on Mostert with no attempt at wrapping arms was foul play and cannot believe he was not given a yellow card for that. The scrum was clearly a penalty to SA with a knee down which caused the scrum to turn inward. This is simple physics.
Stop trying to change peoples mind. Not worth it. They dislike our boys intensely for some reason...maybe we're uncivilized Africans ? BOKKE FOREVER 💚💛🇿🇦
A dropped knee doesn’t turn a scrum you muppet 😂😂😂 If you think that’s physics it’s no wonder you believeMartin should have been carded . What else do you believe . Is Eben getting manshamed and benched so early Physics too 😂😂😂
Let’s not forget that they were crying the loudest about how South Africa played in 2019, now all of a sudden the the English do it, it’s the most amazing ever 😂. The inability for these people to hear themselves is absolutely shocking
Stuck in 1980, beggars belief really. And seeing how great France and Ireland are playing the game in '23 and still miss out is another bitter pill to swallow.
England kicked as they believed it would yield the best positive outcome in the conditions, and almost won. Boks tried route one and got mauled so they reverted to the boot. Bearing in mind the conditions, I’m not sure how else they should have played ? Am not sure how this specific game plan relates to criticism of Bok play at the 2019 RWC which was a global narrative, or why you care so much what content makers say as they are not representative of the actual teams.
@@patrickchilds2987England just kicked away in most games and slipped through opponents that way. Good it worked but it only gets you so far. If that's all England can do well, I don't see them going very far.
Youll really dont know how south Africa beat france an England? They scored 4 tries against frances 3 and they scored the only try of the game against England who never looked like scoring a try. Nice try
Both teams are great, the best. But there is something I dislike, and that is the Haka, with utmost respect for that tradition. It appears that some nations have an extra priviledge. On top of their National Anthem, they get to have a chance of intimidating psychologically the opponent. It is very colourful, and we all enjoy it, but in a different venue. Sport is sport, War is war. The Haka is unfair on the opponent, who has to respect it and avoid defying it, or else they might be fined by WR. The Haka loving nations can have their proud tradition in their changing room and build up their courage and determination, privately. If we want to see Kaka´s, there are hundred of videos in CZcams.
This James While guy is obviously sour that his team lost. If England was better on the day, they would've won. Rugby is a 80 minute game, you can be better for 79 minutes but if the score is not in your favor, you lose the game. The 2 best teams are in the final, that's just how it is. You might not like it, but that's how it is.
people forget england, in the 2nd half other than the drop goal scored zero points.. that should put it in perspective that it was not the ref that lost them the game.
Why do All Black players with overseas contracts have to retire out of the side? We had this situation in SA years ago until we had the sense to bring back into the Springboks these most experienced and brilliant players. I know you have lots more talent to explore over the next couple years, but I will miss these All Black geniuses too much. Can you (collectively) organize a protest to change the policy? We want the best international teams every time 🏉🌍🏆🇿🇦
Can someone hand James a box of tissues.... this was supposed to be a preview. After all is said and done the two best teams are in the final. Yes France tried and so did Ireland and England...they didn't make it.
The English still complaining about that scrum jesus. There was ample opportunity for England to have extended their lead with the boks screwing up every move for 60min. The truth is they didn’t and here we are. Still don’t really understand why the English say England played magnificently when their game plan was so negative, slowing down their rucks with three players creating a line behind the ruck, Farrell always! kicked. The boks would have been massacred by the press if we played like that. Given all above I am very smug with the win at the end, always nice to send the English packing
To be totally honest England were shit through the tournament but the semi finals was there best game, should have won , but thankfully the better side buy miles scraped through. Thank you South Africa. ..
I believe it should have been an All Black and France Final or France v Ireland. I don’t believe springboks are top two this year, they just aren’t. They are fantastic but not consistently and a bit of rain rattles them. I love them and the back like is amazing to watch but they just aren’t top two. They lost to Ireland and have two one point wins and one is over one of the poorest England teams we have ever seen. My world rankings as of today are 1. New Zealand 2. Ireland 3. France 4.South Africa
Well, luckily you don't determine the world rankings, eh? The only reason SA lost to Ireland was poor goal kicking, which they rectified. Ireland and France were great but they lack one thing - which they hopefully will now develop for 2027 with the bitter pill that they swallowed this RWC...and that one thing is BMT. The grit and never-die attitude it takes to win championship knock-out rugby.
Baffled by the French response to their loss. They narrowly beat a 14 man SA in 22 (in Fance) and 21 (in France) SA won. What were they thinking ? Just pitch up? These NH people are still trying to convince themselves that Ireland and France are by far the best teams in the world. They clearly are not.
This James While 🤡 suggesting the two best sides are not in final. Also completely missed the reason Ben OK gave that pen. Knee on the ground. Two Cents please get more knowledgeable people on your channel.
It is raining - So Faf, Reinach and Pollard will play, reason simple - they played in big games for their clubs, Montpelier, Leicester in rain. Pollard is a master tactical player in the rain, May the best team take it. But do not write off the Boks, they will die for this Cup.Watch out for the last 25min. No team scored more points in the 2nd half against the boks in the past 19 matches. Bomb Squad 6-2 or 7 - 1
no Ireland, no France. This world cup will be remembered as a what could have been. Not for those teams but for rugby. Rugby needed a changing of the guard on the biggest stage. Lets all just be grateful that England lost and try to enjoy the same old same old final. It should be good rugby.
🔴Wayne Barnes Great news for NZ🥂 Doubt if any other referee would be as blatantly forgiving for NZ scrum reversing at a rate of knots.....and penalise the opposition Not even Viagra would keep that NZ front row up in a scrum. They've been dominated by every 1st tier side in last 6 months..
Your wrong there pur scrum after the home series against ireland has been good since the young guys were brought in. I believe they will dominate you this weekend
Stopped watching at 12.35 after reading the comments showing that there was going to be whinging coming from biased interviewees. SA WON. 4th time. Get over it!. The reality is the 2023 venue was stolen from South Africa by World Rugby. This alone would have given SA a great advantage as happened with NZ when they won both tournaments held in their country. We were also given the hardest path.
I hope workd rugby look seriously against the racial slur allegations against Mbonambi and if shown to be guilty he is ruled out of the final as their is no room for that stuff in any form. 8 have a feeling they will let him away with it though as south africa only has an ex hooker who turned to loose forwar in their squad now. So while he could start south africa wouod not have a reserve hooker. If this is the case a prop would have to go into that spot which could be dangerous and if south africa doesnt cover hooker then they will only be alllowed 22 players in game day squad. So for this reason i see them turning a blind eye but if it was against england then im sure someone would now have a ban against them
Talk about sour grapes, no side deserves anything. You have to earn it. Did England score a try? No, so move on. You can't blame the ref, firstly that knee was on the ground, second you need to do enough that you don't blame ref for your losses. Records are made to be broken, whilst Will is a good player his tries against one could argue softer opposition have been easy. SA have faced with the final, all teams within top 6. Monumental effort. NZ are a great side, only beat Ireland.
James Whale? The guy who lived in paris slums for 35 euro a night? Maybe a good fiction writer. His wonky team got beat in literally 10 minutes of effort from the MIGHTY SPRINGBOKS. England are the only team that does a defeat lap of the field LOL. Playing for the English national team is equivalent to playing club rugby here in SA. Hahahaha, go bokke.
Hope the ref sees how much the ABs don’t follow the rules . Ritchie was a cheat according to his own testimony. Too clever . Let’s hope the ref sees all the professional fouls and all the cards.
Let's hope the referee stops south africa time waiting because their forwards are to unfit, they have basically a full 2nd forward pack on the reserve bench and they still have to go down pretending they are injured to get a rest leaving the field continually for head inspections was a joke. I was prop who loved tight rug y but hell 2 forward packs and your fitness still doesn't hold out. If rested properly all blacks fitness will take you out of the game
Stoppppp whinging about the ref. Especially that final scrun a lot of experts have already explained why that scrum penalty was exactly right, i mean there is a very obvious knee on the ground. If everything overall england probably had the ref's advantage that game especially looking at the breakdown penalties given to england in the first half. So please just for the love of the game all of you have a responsibility as pundits to stop whinging about the referees
Actually most so called experts are missing what the referee cruelly called at that scrum, yes the English props knee hit ground but he got straight back up. He was not penalized for that the referee called English for crapping sideways across the field. So go back actually listen to what the ref said and then you will see it would have been an English penalty as south African prop turned in and pushed across field. Actually take time to listen to the refs call before commenting
Keep telling yourself that , ….the worst ABs team ever, most ill disciplined team ever,consistently penalized and red or yellow cards flown around,14 man team,for four years and 20+ games so did 6 recent games change all that and put us as favorites BS were underdogs fool and were ready
We played the Irish,the French,the Scots,the English in front of 80000 supporters.Its not easy but we are in the Final.Go The Springboks!
I dont think any other team could have beaten France at home, they were ferocious and their fans deafening. AB's couldnt and I dont think Ireland would have. Boks should not be discounted so easily.
It’s funny to hear Chris Robshaw say SA didn’t do a lot when it was SA that engineered one try and looked threatening on at least a couple other attacks yet England never fired a shot to attempt to score a try.
Also, Ben said a couple of times to the English in that last scrum that he gave the penalty for the knee touching the ground before it went sideways!!! I mean come on!! No one is taking about that. The knee touched the ground before it went sideways!
The knee touching the ground is what made it go sideways, he changed the angle when he got back up
i mean wtf! they just ignore that fact.
He penalised that scrum because the england player had a knee down before all the other stuff you referred to happened. The ref was very clear on that, surprised you cant hear than. The ref was 2m away from that scrum and on the side of the transgression. We saw very little footage from that side. I would rather trust a ref with that decision than a pundit.
You can see the knee go down on the far side of the scrum from the original live angle.
Obvious as effing day if you focus on the only spot it could happen. Counterintuitive, but still… you’d think to have a look before spouting off publicly
Its been said so many times already, same with the 2007 "try", unfortunately, if they cant concede to that knee now, then it looks like we can expect biased bitching for years to come.
Strange that.......refs do tend to let that sort of thing slide if a player can get back on his feet. I suspect if the loosehead hadn't angled in after regaining his footing the referee would have let it slide!
@@zabaleta66 he gave a penalty against Kitshoff for a knee of the ground earlier in the match, so actually quite consistent with his decisions.
Its kinda sad to say this, but this world cup showed me how toxic a lot of the rugby watching public, pundits and players can be. Just hoping that the final will be one for the ages. Im sure SA and AB's will bring it!
I can forgive the fans, we are way too emotional and subjective. The pundits on the other hand are obnoxious. The Irish and NZ are the worst. These New Zealanders are always waiting to tell us what good rugby looks like and this includes their coach after our our game against Ireland. South African pundits on the other hand are classy. Complement the opponents but mainly focusing on our strengths
@@sifisomagagula5476 absolutely wise words....This word 'toxic' is not used correctly
@@sifisomagagula5476 Some South African pundits are pretty appalling too. It isn't a nation-specific thing, you just need to pick and choose who you listen to more.
@@sifisomagagula5476which Kiwi pundits are you talking about?, Only ones I saw all chatty about their team were the Irish before they lost
I completely agree man. It's really sad being a rugby fan trying to enjoy the game these days.
To be honest I don’t think South Africa is being given enough credit. We definitely did not play a fantastic game last week, England played a much better game, but we won for a reason, not by chance. Every other game in the World Cup and outside of the World Cup we’ve been a strong team, and we win because we fight hard and play hard. This team never gives up and they really do deserve to be in this final 🇿🇦
SA are strong but outside of the World Cup they lose coming to the northern hemisphere and they only won last weekend because of pollard. That’s one guy that saved them in my opinion.
@@unleashedmystery Lol, we lost 2 games against the northern hemisphere in since 2019 till this world cup.... All those games played on your home soil and your home stadiums. Let France or Ireland come tour SA and see how they fair. Also, where is your logic my guy, Pollard is our kicker. Take out the kicker of any team and they will suffer....
@@unleashedmystery most of our players don't even play their rugby in South Africa. That is why our local teams don't do that well in international competitions. Our currency can't compete with the Euro and the Pound.
Why don’t you think the Boks are not getting the credit they deserve ? Aren’t they favourites?
@@patrickchilds2987 We don't think that, but the whole of England and France (unfortunately the host nation) absolutely hates us and think our win was corrupt.
The two best teams are in the final, James. You may not like it but there it is.
Not true at all. New Zealand and especially the Springboks are no better than France and Ireland. Clearly not. But New Zealand is much more deserving of this place in the final, so go for the ABs.
How can you say that when they have both lost or won v Ireland or France and lost by a bigger margin than they won.
@@timseytiger9280 Exactly. Ireland and France are consistently better than the Southern Hemisphere in recent years anyway
@@timseytiger9280 lol won.... the springboks won by a micro point against France and against England with, for both matches, the help of the referee mister BEN O'KEEFFE. They were not better in the quarter. When you only win by one point it's more luck. The matches were balanced. On the other hand, it's true that the All Blacks fought well against the Irish for once. But lately, the french always won against South Africa and the All Blacks in friendly matches. And they beat New Zealand by more than 10 points at this World Cup. Honestly no, I'm sorry. They are no better than the french and the irish.
@@aliceg6745 your use of the word "lately" baffles me. France won ONE game against SA earlier this year, previous couple SA won. I would have been pleased with any of the top 4 teams in the final, they are all great and played great rugby this RWC. What Ireland and France did lack, which probably cost them their spots (and it's NOT the referee, bad calls went both ways)...is BMT (Big Match Temperament), something you only learn from hard knock-out rugby like the RWC. They will learn from this, and probably rock up in 2027 with much more BMT and even better teams - I for one hope they do.
Interesting comment from Sergio re France not even thinking about the QF they were thinking about the final. That’s the problem right there, like Ireland they already believed they were going to win the whole thing before they had played what was in front of them
"It's written in the stars", such were their words. They were fantasizing and the losses grounded them really harshly.
@@riri1718 Exactly. They keep on going about they are the number 1 side. The team that wins the World Cup will be the number 1 side. The number one before the World Cup don't mean shit.
Have to step in as an Irish fan. We never liked being favorites. Against the AB's that's a complete joke. We've been on the receiving end for over 100 yrs and the very first time we elevate our game to the level where we can compete, Suddenly we are perceived as cocky?? Please! AB's played better on the day, move on!
@@MarcelAspenite I agree with you. But it is other Irish fans that keep saying they were robbed and they want WR to review the match.
which irish fans, you don't really know irish fans@@williamho1976
May both teams play to their potential.
May the best team win.
Am worried that the tougher road to the final is gonna take its toll on the Springboks.
Me too. Can't be battered like that every week and disrespted and still put on another fight.
Anybody notice how C. Robshaw looks like prime Chuck Norris?
No matter how the boks won, they did this world cup a favor. Because to have England in the final would have been massive disrespect to France, Ireland, and the rest of the great teams that were on the "wrong" side of this planning fiasco (early draw).
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Bit harsh ,admittedly yes the draw certainly helped England but that's on WR and host nation for calling for the early draw . Its a knockout tournament , there is no disrespect. , bit it wouldn't have been great
Yep. We had the real semis last week , alas. That's not the fault of Argentina and England. But it's a right old cock up.
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No James. South Africa did not get the rub of the green in the England game. Quite the opposite, actually. England got the rub of the green for the majority of that game.
If you look at the scrum carefully before the ball goes in the English props, knee hits the floor briefly
And then if you listen to the referee he clearly says "looshead to his knees and then in, knees first and then in" while mimicking his knee going down. Don't know what this journalist watched for hours but it couldn't be clearer explained.
When Rassie complained about officiating, WR banned him for a year. Nobody supported him. Everybody distanced themselves. We Bok fans have always complained about the Ref and have been called whingers at every turn. We warned that teams will have a big mouth only when officiating didn't suit them or an officiating decision went against a big team at the WC. I guess South Africans know nothing. Bokke Forever 💚💛🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Exactly, Rassie provided a great opportunity for other coaches to support his cause but he was told, over and over again, that it was demeaning to take issue with coaches. And now everyone and their dog is blaming the refs.
What I find deeply frustrating as a South African fan is that the overwhelming message from NZ, Irish, French and other pundits is "we don't want people to play like South Africa, because they just play with the forwards and kick the ball a lot and rely on the set piece, and that's not good for rugby - it's boring and no good for the game".
In the 2019 World Cup, NZ scored 36 tries, South Africa 33, the next closest team were on 22!! In this World Cup South Africa have matched or outscored, in terms of tries, every team they've played; that includes Ireland, France, Scotland and England; if you include the warmup games which adds NZ and Wales ... well South Africa trumped their warmup opposition for tries as well.
So my question is ... do the pundits even watch rugby?
I think it's the point that they score mostly from a maul, or a broken play where the opposition doesn't catch the high ball. SA def has better quality backs now a days, but still "ugly" rugby for most of the game. SA is 4th in tries scored this world cup so far. NZ has 48 v SA 27
The problem is with the type of rugby in that England vs SA semi final is it is not attractive rugby to bring in new sporting fans. If that hadn't been a world cup semi, if it didn't have such high stakes, it would have been a pretty dull sporting event. Kick, chase, kick again. If rugby is to survive and thrive, it has to be an attractive sporting spectacle. There's a lot of competition for eyeballs these days.
@@garrettkopu9191 For sure. NZ has done great against very flimsy opposition so far. A bit harder to do that in the pool of death or in the rain.
@@garethpearce5255 You saw the conditions, yeah. Let's see if the ABs want to play sexy rugby in the rain tomorrow. Probably not a great idea. I love the apples vs oranges comparisons.
@@ballasgleek well italy is better than tonga, uruguay is better than romania, ireland better than france, england barely better than argentina, the only glaring difference is SA playing scotland and NZ playing namibia
It's interesting to hear how little pundits speak about individual SA and NZ players in comparison compared to the other countries. Maybe suggests how much more of a complete squad these two finalists are
It’s a tough one, obviously I’d have loved to have seen Scotland in there, but back in the real world. Definitely a bit disappointed there’s no France or Ireland, but this will be a belter anyway. I’m going with the Boks to win a very tight , hard physical game. Can’t wait
Everyone forgets b.o.k made plenty of errors going against the springboks yet that gets no attention.........shit happens
I saw a few errors go England's way, I saw a few go South Africa's way. Seemed pretty fair to me.
it's funny how nobody speaks about the first half when SA were attacking in the England 22 and De Allende picks up the ball from the ruck to make a pass...Farrell lying prone on his back in an offside position lifts his leg and trips De Allende, causing him to drop the ball...that's a yellow card every day of the week and twice on Monday's...but nothing given, ref takes us back to the advantage...so many incidents like this, but everybody chooses to focus on the mistakes against England 😅😅
@@aldobonaso3481why not watch any content by the discredited rugby
Am sure you will love it South African media content maker TA Analysis, there is literally hours of content about how the Boks are hard done in every game by not just England but everyone and strangely never any content on ref positive outcomes against the Boks . It’s a wonder how they do it .
Well, once again I hear that the Boks are lucky to be there and have no chance on Saturday. Let's wait and see
The Boks are there because they deserve to be
The Boks are lucky to be.
Current World Champions.
No 1 in World Rankings.
Hold the highest number of World Cups.
So obviously, being in this final is just luck again.
@@masterq2.033the all blacks will have the most world cups by Saturday
@@masterq2.033 They don't hold the highest number of World Cups - they share the same number with NZ - and none of those things are relevant. Teams only 'deserve' to progress in knockout rugby by beating their opponent on the day. End of story. SA 'deserve' to be in the final because they have done exactly that in each round, as have NZ.
@@rory75903 out of 7 compared to 3 out of 9. Which ones better?
I wish the score denialists would finally decide whether the actual winner is the team that played the flashiest style, the team that deserved it more in the subjective opinion of the opinionator, or the team that feels themselves stronger.
If only we can come up with a metric for performance within a given 80mins.
Best post here 👍
The ref was clear on the last scrum gave the penalty for Genge knee on the ground that was first before anything else
One factor these panelists fail to realize is that when it’s NZ vs Boks, fitness, form etc count very little. The rivalry between these two giants is what really counts. This is like in a classico. You may find Barcelone coming into El Classico having lost to minnows and maybe on a losing streak of three games but come the day, they rise like a phoenix due to the history of the rivalry. Can’t wait for Saturday
Lol, your credibility went out the window with your first line 😅. "Fitness, form etc counts very little". What an absolutely stupid take..
I was trying to look up before last weekends semi (SA vs Eng) when last SA played a test match in the rain. Wasn't successful. I would also like to know maybe in the last 2 years or so how many times that happened.
I was very worried when I saw the weather for Paris last Saturday, and I see its the same weather dish on the menu for the Final next weekend.
After a decade or 2 of being criticized for being one dimensional the Boks have nurtured some blitzy backs and tried to diversify their game. England kicked the leather off the ball and did it with precision, something we were drawn and quartered for in our style of play leading up to and during the last RWC. The amount of Faff memes was impressive at the time. 😁
Chris made a great point of the zero handling errors by AB's against Ire in the semi. In the rain next week I wager that won't be the case and that plays into SA's hands with the scrums. Ire scrum against SA was pretty darn solid.
The 1st half Eng dominated everywhere, with precision high balls and the 'rub of the green, bounce of the ball' as James mentions (from an SA supporter) was less than kind for SA and Eng capitalized on this. Nothing went our way but Kudos to Eng for creating the pressure and their own luck. Thats rugby.
Eng scored only 3 points (Farrel drop goal) to SA's 10 in the 2nd half in a low scoring game. That's telling enough as to how well either side was doing in that period. As for the SA try Deon Fourie's run around the lineout was immense, unopposed with many meters gained, and really set that try up for Snyman
I think SA with a 6-2 split, even 7-1, with Pollard and Faff starting. Its wet, try keep it upfront and grind it out with a forward heavy team.
Good luck to the 'Old Foe', but would be great if the Boks winnit! 🏆😁 If SA do win, they would have played the other 4 top 5 teams in World rankings in the competition to achieve that feat. Got a feeling the AB's don't want that to happen and both teams will be vying for a 4th trophy. Lots at stake and a fitting final.
I said on one of your vids prior to the world cup, amongst all the Kiwi negativity, THE ALL BLACKS ARE ALWAYS CONTENDERS REGARDLESS, I hope you all believe now lol. But unfortunately I'll be rooting against y'all in the final 😉.
Good luck, and may the best team win.
Thought it’s just saffers that blame the refs? Unless you guys are saffers undercover? Glass houses people, glass houses
Exactly!
The green side struggled to get into the white kant on the playing field this past Saturday, but they will have more entries into the black kant on Saturday. Boks by 6 or 9.
Two great sides and one is going to make history.Chris you are going to get your prediction correct ,very sensible and this is why.Springboks have never lost in a final.Springboks are world no:1 Springboks beat Allblacks 35-7 prior to worldcup.Springbok bench for me carries more venom.And also Springboks have won the worldcup in France before.
James you say rub of the green ,I say it is only great teams that find a way to win.
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England had an easy route to the semifinals.South Africa deserved to be in the final had the toughest pool Ireland Scotland and also France in the semi’s as an Irish man I’m backing the Bok’s
Great video Stevo, very proud of you mate. Cantab in York, England 👏👏👏👏👏
Can’t agree with James on a few levels. SA have not really had the run of the green. I can point to a number of crucial moments that have not gone their way:
1. When Bandi Aki flew in from the side to collapse the maul at the end of the Ireland game.
2. Woki getting in the way of Faf’s pass to stop what looked to be a certain try against France.
3. Farrell (again) getting away with murder by interfering on the ground by blocking Reinach’s pass on England’s line with his knee. That was cynical and possibly prevented a try. Should have been a yellow.
These all happened right in front of o’Keefe, and I don’t think he reffed to offsides in mauls and rucks well. All crucial moments in the game that the Boks managed to put behind them, hold their heads, and win by the narrowest of margins.
That is what you want in a RWC final, more than any other quality.
I was initially worried that the Boks would be too flat against ABs after 2 massive games, but this is a monumental RWC final. There will be no problem with digging deep, putting the best performance in for 50 minutes, and then allowing a fired up and rested bomb squad dominate the last 30 minutes. This strategy has been perfected over 8 years, and it can’t be simulated by other teams overnight.
Excellent content
Great work - really enjoyed that !
The rugby world is being coaxed into false belief that the Boks are down and out. Yes - they've been through a few tough battles up until now, but mark my words - this team have been meticulously planning for this WC final since before 2019. Most give them no to little chance on Saturday - and that is exactly where they want to be.... so, expect the unexpected. Underestimate the Boks at your own peril. ;-)
I would never underestimate the boks, I also believe the boks are going to be well and truly up for this game, I think it will be the toughest game the abs have played in years, could go either way
@@otagogold2236 Yeah, let's see what they bring. May the best team win. Good luck ABs and the Boks!
Who is underestimating the Boks ? I haven’t heard anyone say that
The Boks in the near 70th minute, againts the English - WERE SUPPER COOL UNDER IMMENSE PRESSURE - That's an X, that's a GOD Factor!
SA vs 5 of top 6 in this World Cup to get to the final. NZ have only vs 2 of top 6. With days extra for NZ.
NZ are favourites by far.
Everyone always has an opinion on the ref. None of us can do a better job than any of them. I also think that any quality team, should play well enough to not have a refeering call be the decider.
I have the same feeling i had against Ireland quietly confident the ABs will win also SA haven't beaten NZ in a game with something on the line since 2019 when they last won the RC 🇳🇿
Stats like that are nice to look at but mean nothing to be fair, I could say similar things in favour of the Springboks like the thrashing they last gave the AB's or that the Springboks have never lost a final🤷🏻at the end of the day this is the mother of all finals between two teams who to be fair, on the day you'd have to flip a coin
Well not if you count the very prestigious Qatar Airways cup😂 Aai that is true my friend, but hey, maybe the Springboks can win this one game where the WC is on the line?
@@vanmyaf9119 lol we will have to wait and see bud. I'm very nervous but very excited at the same time, there's just too much to factor in that could mean a lot or could mean nothing at all, I love the AB's so much too, so I'm coming from a point where I'm backing my boys the Boks but at the same time just going to enjoy every second of this match regardless of the outcome
Great show guys!Cheers
The semi finals was played in the quarter finals between France v South Africa and Ireland v New Zealand, but the final is the winners of them games. These 2 sides the best in the world, I'm supporting new zealand, but there 2 great sides good luck to both sides the winning team worthy of being world champions. ..👏👏👏👏
It was not scrum penalty to white, the white player's knee was on the ground.
Shame James, it must be difficult to have the Springboks live rent free in your head. When 50/50 calls go against SA you have no problem with that. Hypocrite much?
James While is succinct in all his points...The finalist were both involved in the 2 best games in the tournament...France vs Ireland would have been a better final even fm an SA point of view...
World wide Mark!
I absolutely do not accept that the quarter final psycholigal hurdle was there for this Ireland team. They were far too strong to walk into that game with a mental handicap. They lost a coinflip, zero shame in that.
Especially if your standards are low. The only coin flip in Rugby is to see who kicks off. If you get beat, you get beat.
@@dewaalmarais3132 You understand the term coinflip means a very tight game right? if you lose a coinflip, guess what? You get beat.
@@daggaboom - Yeah I totally get it. The point is everyone throws the term around which waters down the winners. I backed the all blacks to win. Many factors went into it, Irreland winning streak, there to be broken based purely in statistics, the irish thought they were already champs and the tournament a formality, no player rptation etc. So for me there was no coin flip, winner was clear.
Insightful perspectives from Parisse and Robshaw. So much history and gravitas on the menu for Saturday - looking forward to see the clash of contrasting styles that makes up the complete game of rugby as we love it
Yeah - While is a total stooge 😂
Great insight from the ex players, great preview..
Last scrum has views on who did a penalty…seems to depend on which side of the scrum you were. Ref saw knee hit ground and then prop go in. Had he been on the other side…
Been a fan of two cents rugby for a while now. Dont know where you got the guy who lives in Paris's slummy side for 35 euro a day? To use a tennis analogy - Serving an ace counts just as much as winning a 40 shot rally. We beat France reduced to 14 men at one stage. Rub of the green? Many collisions were not cited etc. Our high ball that turned into a try was on purpose, does he think we went for touch? Did we get the rub of the green against Ireland? If useless Marler and his round chum were as hard and skilled as they looked, or if Englands captain had a higher IQ.....the list goes on and on. Our player rating were 3 and 4 out of ten for Semi finals and we still won LOL. This is the final everyone on earth wanted and the best teams by a mile made it through. Sergio Perisse says the players said they "felt strong" and dont know how they lost. Just look at the replay. They got beat. Go Bokke!!!!!!!!!!
You should have set another window with just the white board... Respect the star of the show mate!
The fact of the matter is ALL the teams the Springboks have played in this World Cup have been dominated by the Springboks pack in the end ---- "Definition: have a commanding influence on; exercise control over."
"England at their best still could not beat South Africa at their worst."
This is a one dimensional move of desperation for a 7/1 split from SA and shows how much they know that all they really have, is a strong forward pack and that doesn’t cut it.
All Blacks way too dynamic.
The average age of the springboks is 30
They have played 3 exceptionally bruising games against Ireland, France and England. One tough game against Scotland. They also have one day less in recovery before the finals, compared to the all blacks.
The average age of the all blacks is 27
We have come through with 2 exceptionally hard games with France and Ireland and one relatively tough game with Argentina.
The starting team that has just been named for the springboks have a cap total of 987 caps.
The All Blacks have a test cap total of 1493 in their 33 man squad so I’m sure their 23 will have more caps.
We’ve also been shown a blue print on how to leave the boks dazed if it rains.
If it’s dry, we’re going to run rings around the boks.
This game may be the biggest winning margin in any World Cup match.
Let’s call it revenge for 95. We were poisoned and we would have won it if we weren’t This should be our 6th World Cup title win. Wayne Barnes robbed us of the other one, when he didn’t call forward passes, which he admitted was a mistake.
We’re going to score tries early and have the boks chasing the score board for the whole match. The bomb squad will bring SA closer but we’ve got this. SA is lacking out wide. Badly.
I’ve got $18,000 on the All Blacks.
We’re going to leave Rassie as a stunned mullet as we will be running almost everything and the metabolic score from players that Rassie measures using the FGPS trackers will be thwarted as we’re going to be scoring, with forwards not having much rucks and mauls and work in collisions.
Great interview! Thanks so much to all of you for your time.
Edited to add: James was wrong to say Ben called the penalty wrong, in fact he made it crystal clear what had happened and you can see it! That part is a little disappointing and someone else should have pushed back on that.
Sorry it’s clear that Genge’s knee hit the ground? I haven’t seen that footage. To me it looked like both props were folding in on each other at horrendous angle.
(Kiwi here I was neutral watching)
@@prichard2151 yes absolutely the footage exists, there’s a photo of it too, saw it on Instagram and BJ Botha tweeted the photo and explained the call, which actually Ben O’Keffe explained well, he says, ‘ first it was knee to ground’
@@prichard2151 I’m kiwi too
@@april-tui3524 cool. So back to that crystal clear stuff, was Genge penalised for not holding his weight or boring in?
I thought it was an incredibly close one to call with a World Cup hanging in the balance
@@april-tui3524 can’t hear you???????? Stupid bisssh, don’t have an opinion if you can’t speak to it.
Woman with no idea eh 😅
I love how you have 3 people from teams SA has beaten in this world cup yet no-one to represent SA when they are the ones playing in the final
My humble prediction; English played out of their skins! Hats off to them but 10 man kicking low scoring rugby is always going to leave the door open for a Bokkes comeback.
I think the AB's will win it by keeping the ball in play, by trusting their 15 man ball in hand interplay between backs and forwards wing to wing rugby. Against the Bokkes scrum penalties kick for points, AB's tries will prevail.
Martin with his shoulder charge on Mostert with no attempt at wrapping arms was foul play and cannot believe he was not given a yellow card for that. The scrum was clearly a penalty to SA with a knee down which caused the scrum to turn inward. This is simple physics.
Stop trying to change peoples mind. Not worth it. They dislike our boys intensely for some reason...maybe we're uncivilized Africans ? BOKKE FOREVER 💚💛🇿🇦
A dropped knee doesn’t turn a scrum you muppet 😂😂😂
If you think that’s physics it’s no wonder you believeMartin should have been carded . What else do you believe . Is Eben getting manshamed and benched so early Physics too 😂😂😂
Boks to win.
Two cents looks embarrassed by these experts
The poms kicked away 93 percent possession. You do rugby a disservice playing like that and deserve to lose.
Let’s not forget that they were crying the loudest about how South Africa played in 2019, now all of a sudden the the English do it, it’s the most amazing ever 😂. The inability for these people to hear themselves is absolutely shocking
Stuck in 1980, beggars belief really. And seeing how great France and Ireland are playing the game in '23 and still miss out is another bitter pill to swallow.
England kicked as they believed it would yield the best positive outcome in the conditions, and almost won. Boks tried route one and got mauled so they reverted to the boot. Bearing in mind the conditions, I’m not sure how else they should have played ?
Am not sure how this specific game plan relates to criticism of Bok play at the 2019 RWC which was a global narrative, or why you care so much what content makers say as they are not representative of the actual teams.
@@patrickchilds2987England just kicked away in most games and slipped through opponents that way. Good it worked but it only gets you so far. If that's all England can do well, I don't see them going very far.
There is a statue of Sergio in Paris. But they called it “the rock”
OMG.
Youll really dont know how south Africa beat france an England? They scored 4 tries against frances 3 and they scored the only try of the game against England who never looked like scoring a try. Nice try
Both teams are great, the best. But there is something I dislike, and that is the Haka, with utmost respect for that tradition. It appears that some nations have an extra priviledge. On top of their National Anthem, they get to have a chance of intimidating psychologically the opponent. It is very colourful, and we all enjoy it, but in a different venue. Sport is sport, War is war. The Haka is unfair on the opponent, who has to respect it and avoid defying it, or else they might be fined by WR. The Haka loving nations can have their proud tradition in their changing room and build up their courage and determination, privately. If we want to see Kaka´s, there are hundred of videos in CZcams.
I remember when the All Blacks use to beat the Springboks all the time. Good on the South Africans!
Parisse, nice!
Rubbish Ben got last penalty against eng spot on, clear knee on ground, and on return came in skew, even Eng commentators coming round now
This James While guy is obviously sour that his team lost.
If England was better on the day, they would've won.
Rugby is a 80 minute game, you can be better for 79 minutes but if the score is not in your favor, you lose the game.
The 2 best teams are in the final, that's just how it is. You might not like it, but that's how it is.
Exactly
Two cents. Where is the South African voice? Not a very balanced view.
people forget england, in the 2nd half other than the drop goal scored zero points.. that should put it in perspective that it was not the ref that lost them the game.
I like Chris ROBSHAW. Lol. GO Springboks.
Why do All Black players with overseas contracts have to retire out of the side? We had this situation in SA years ago until we had the sense to bring back into the Springboks these most experienced and brilliant players. I know you have lots more talent to explore over the next couple years, but I will miss these All Black geniuses too much. Can you (collectively) organize a protest to change the policy?
We want the best international teams every time 🏉🌍🏆🇿🇦
Because they’re trying to keep the domestic game strong. They have the depth to to do it . SA doesn’t.
Can someone hand James a box of tissues.... this was supposed to be a preview. After all is said and done the two best teams are in the final. Yes France tried and so did Ireland and England...they didn't make it.
@James, wake up. Did u not see the English prop knee go down before the pushing started!
The English still complaining about that scrum jesus. There was ample opportunity for England to have extended their lead with the boks screwing up every move for 60min. The truth is they didn’t and here we are.
Still don’t really understand why the English say England played magnificently when their game plan was so negative, slowing down their rucks with three players creating a line behind the ruck, Farrell always! kicked. The boks would have been massacred by the press if we played like that. Given all above I am very smug with the win at the end, always nice to send the English packing
To be totally honest England were shit through the tournament but the semi finals was there best game, should have won , but thankfully the better side buy miles scraped through. Thank you South Africa. ..
I believe it should have been an All Black and France Final or France v Ireland. I don’t believe springboks are top two this year, they just aren’t. They are fantastic but not consistently and a bit of rain rattles them. I love them and the back like is amazing to watch but they just aren’t top two.
They lost to Ireland and have two one point wins and one is over one of the poorest England teams we have ever seen.
My world rankings as of today are
1. New Zealand
2. Ireland
3. France
4.South Africa
Well, luckily you don't determine the world rankings, eh?
The only reason SA lost to Ireland was poor goal kicking, which they rectified. Ireland and France were great but they lack one thing - which they hopefully will now develop for 2027 with the bitter pill that they swallowed this RWC...and that one thing is BMT. The grit and never-die attitude it takes to win championship knock-out rugby.
@@MorkelErasmus Goalkicking wasn't the _only_ reason why the SA team lost to Ireland.
@rory7590 lol so it was the ref then I guess
Glad the only thing that matters is what happens on the field not silly youtube opinions.
Rankings mean nothing when it comes to knockout games.
I actually does not matter what you believe mate
Baffled by the French response to their loss. They narrowly beat a 14 man SA in 22 (in Fance) and 21 (in France) SA won. What were they thinking ? Just pitch up?
These NH people are still trying to convince themselves that Ireland and France are by far the best teams in the world. They clearly are not.
This James While 🤡 suggesting the two best sides are not in final. Also completely missed the reason Ben OK gave that pen. Knee on the ground. Two Cents please get more knowledgeable people on your channel.
It is raining - So Faf, Reinach and Pollard will play, reason simple - they played in big games for their clubs, Montpelier, Leicester in rain. Pollard is a master tactical player in the rain, May the best team take it. But do not write off the Boks, they will die for this Cup.Watch out for the last 25min. No team scored more points in the 2nd half against the boks in the past 19 matches. Bomb Squad 6-2 or 7 - 1
So a 9-10 man strategy is a great strategy except when SA plays it...not that they have for the last 4 years now.
no Ireland, no France. This world cup will be remembered as a what could have been. Not for those teams but for rugby. Rugby needed a changing of the guard on the biggest stage. Lets all just be grateful that England lost and try to enjoy the same old same old final. It should be good rugby.
Wrong James. English knee on ground first. 😂
England had easy street
3 legs of the stool James...😅😂😅😂...set piece is not one of them..its one of the reasons Eng lost...couldnt match SA's scrum in the end.
🔴Wayne Barnes
Great news for NZ🥂
Doubt if any other referee would be as blatantly forgiving for NZ scrum reversing at a rate of knots.....and penalise the opposition
Not even Viagra would keep that NZ front row up in a scrum.
They've been dominated by every 1st tier side in last 6 months..
Your wrong there pur scrum after the home series against ireland has been good since the young guys were brought in. I believe they will dominate you this weekend
Stopped watching at 12.35 after reading the comments showing that there was going to be whinging coming from biased interviewees. SA WON. 4th time. Get over it!. The reality is the 2023 venue was stolen from South Africa by World Rugby. This alone would have given SA a great advantage as happened with NZ when they won both tournaments held in their country. We were also given the hardest path.
James seems you got the rub of the green aswell staying in horse stables for only 39 euros a night.Load of bollocks......
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As expected from this lot. Anti springboks
Look at the scoreboard people,the boks won,go bokke go.
Touching on the quarter finals has been touched on to death.
It's ancient history.
Move on.
I hope workd rugby look seriously against the racial slur allegations against Mbonambi and if shown to be guilty he is ruled out of the final as their is no room for that stuff in any form. 8 have a feeling they will let him away with it though as south africa only has an ex hooker who turned to loose forwar in their squad now. So while he could start south africa wouod not have a reserve hooker. If this is the case a prop would have to go into that spot which could be dangerous and if south africa doesnt cover hooker then they will only be alllowed 22 players in game day squad. So for this reason i see them turning a blind eye but if it was against england then im sure someone would now have a ban against them
Springboks will win the match, by a very close margin, that is how it will go down.
4 more years 😅😅😅😂😂
Talk about sour grapes, no side deserves anything. You have to earn it. Did England score a try? No, so move on. You can't blame the ref, firstly that knee was on the ground, second you need to do enough that you don't blame ref for your losses. Records are made to be broken, whilst Will is a good player his tries against one could argue softer opposition have been easy. SA have faced with the final, all teams within top 6. Monumental effort. NZ are a great side, only beat Ireland.
Geez, that English guy is thrifty with his compliments. Took him a while to break out of it.
James While is a straight up muppet- he watched it 15 times and now he is so sure . Took you a while . Are you really so sure ?😂You genius
James writes excellent articles and is a very good rugby journalist. He has probably forgotten more about the game than you will ever know
James Whale? The guy who lived in paris slums for 35 euro a night? Maybe a good fiction writer. His wonky team got beat in literally 10 minutes of effort from the MIGHTY SPRINGBOKS. England are the only team that does a defeat lap of the field LOL. Playing for the English national team is equivalent to playing club rugby here in SA. Hahahaha, go bokke.
@@patrickchilds2987 Yeah he seem past his prime indeed , inept now - might be time to take him behind the stable
Hope the ref sees how much the ABs don’t follow the rules . Ritchie was a cheat according to his own testimony. Too clever . Let’s hope the ref sees all the professional fouls and all the cards.
Let's hope the referee stops south africa time waiting because their forwards are to unfit, they have basically a full 2nd forward pack on the reserve bench and they still have to go down pretending they are injured to get a rest leaving the field continually for head inspections was a joke. I was prop who loved tight rug y but hell 2 forward packs and your fitness still doesn't hold out. If rested properly all blacks fitness will take you out of the game
Stoppppp whinging about the ref. Especially that final scrun a lot of experts have already explained why that scrum penalty was exactly right, i mean there is a very obvious knee on the ground. If everything overall england probably had the ref's advantage that game especially looking at the breakdown penalties given to england in the first half. So please just for the love of the game all of you have a responsibility as pundits to stop whinging about the referees
Actually most so called experts are missing what the referee cruelly called at that scrum, yes the English props knee hit ground but he got straight back up. He was not penalized for that the referee called English for crapping sideways across the field. So go back actually listen to what the ref said and then you will see it would have been an English penalty as south African prop turned in and pushed across field. Actually take time to listen to the refs call before commenting
Come on team, stop whining. Why did the bunker ref not intervene? Nothing to intervene about. Boks by 10 points.😂
Far out this was biased.
Keep telling yourself that , ….the worst ABs team ever, most ill disciplined team ever,consistently penalized and red or yellow cards flown around,14 man team,for four years and 20+ games so did 6 recent games change all that and put us as favorites BS were underdogs fool and were ready