Mr. Plinkett's Star Trek: Generations Review - HD Remaster
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- Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
00:26 - 1. The Transition
02:54 - 2. Things don't make sense!
04:52 - 3. Not everyone got the memo about the uniforms
05:34 - 4. Different Lighting
06:29 - 5. Picard's Stupid Photo Album
07:24 - 6. Data's Emotions Chip is different looking
08:26 - 7. Sauron's Space Rocket and a bunch of other s**t that doesn't make sense
11:40 - 8. Riker's Command Incompetence
14:24 - 9. Saucer Landing
16:16 - 10. The Stupid Nexus
18:45 - 11. The Final Insult
19:42 - 12. Captain Kirk's role at the end
20:55 - 13. Why did Sauron kidnap Geordi?
22:41 - 14. Why can't they scan Veridian Three?
23:26 - 15. Kirk gets buried under rocks.
23:52 - 16. Picard finds his photo album
24:42 - 17. Picard's Priceless Ceramic Thing
26:36 - 18. Picard comes out the wrong door
28:14 - 19. Data's Emotion Chip Subplot
Sources:
Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home (1986)
Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country (1991) Directors Cut
Star Trek VII - Generations (1994)
Star Trek: Generations Special Edition DVD Features:
Title 7 - Captain Picards Family Album
Title 9 - Uniting Two Legends
Star Trek (1966-1969):
S2E15 - The Trouble with Tribbles
Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994):
S3E26-S04E01 - The Best of Both Worlds
S4E05 - Remember Me
S4E19 - The Nth Degree
S4E25 - In Theory
S6E10-S06E11 - Chain of Command
S6E19 - Lessons
S6E20 - The Chase
S6E26-S07E01 - Descent
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-1999):
S6E25 - The Sound of Her Voice
Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001):
S6E01 - Equinox, Part II
Original audio track from Mr. Plinkett's review is used unmodified.
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"Come back with me, Kirk. Come back and help me punch an old man".
That was this movie's 'Rosebud', everything built up to it.
Conor McGregor be like "come help me punch an old guy"
This review is almost as old as generations was when Mike made it
Oh no
oh god
At least you tried...
Wow, this fact is very, very uninteresting.
1994-2012 is a lot longer than 2012 -2022 in more ways than one
I always hated the emotion chip. I thought the thing that made Data interesting was his quest to understand humanity. It always seemed trivial if he could just download it.
I think the point was that he couldn't. Data learned much, but would never understand. It's what makes his existence tragic.
@@hansjuker8296 I think the emotion chip acted as a drug that just helped him be more human but it wasn't something that was permanent. Which is probably why it was essentially abandoned by Insurrection. I do think it was a drug that helped him understand emotion longer term though because Data had the ability to remember and process memory and experiences.
Suddenly being able to feel emotions doesn't mean that Data will suddenly understand humanity. If anything it's just an expansion pack that simulates emotion over processes Data is already experiencing. I can't remember which episode it was, but he talks about how he gets used to the presence of people that he regularly interacts with, anticipates seeing them in the future, and remarks on their absence when they're no longer around. So Data can't actually feel the sensation of "missing" Geordi when he goes to EngiCon on Risa, but he experiences the absence of Geordi none the less. The emotions chip just simulates the feeling that experience supposedly engenders.
I liked that the original chip was so small. It's an emotion chip. So it's implied that even the smallest emotion could be massive.
The faces Spiner makes are pretty good, though.
I remember watching this review for the first time over ten years ago and I actually thought it was made by an old man with a dead wifre.
It was.
Haha, I think it was.
@@mrjanoycresva Not only was.. Is!
Me too, I thought Mr Plinkett was like an old man in his 70's. lol
Funfact Mike, the guy who plays Mr. Plinkette is 44 years old now in 2023.
So nice to hear Plinkett at the spry young age of 146
From IMDb:
Norman Lloyd, who plays Professor Galen (Picard's mentor who gave him the Kurlan Naiskos in the TNG episode "The Chase"), was 78 years old at the time of production, making this performance the oldest age by any actor in the series. He has the greatest longevity of any performer on the series compared to those actors who have died. He is famous for being married to the same woman for 75 years, the longest continuous marriage in Hollywood history.
Norman was born in Jersey City NJ on November 8th 1914 (and was 3 years old when USA entered WWI)
Sadly, Norman finally died May 11th 2021 at age 106
Amazing! Thank you for sharing and continuing his legacy!!!
106? damn good on him.
Ellen Albertini Dow, who played Beverly's grandmother in Sub Rosa, was at least 79 at the time of production.
He had a great performance in that episode. Knowing that he lived a long life is slightly comforting in contrast to his character's death. "The Chase" is one of several singular episodes that are really affecting and epic.
I loved Norman Lloyd in Seven Days. It was my fav show when I was a kid.
Plinketts ramblings about his wife’s death is more consistent than all the TNG movies
RIP
It's like the writers actually thought the sun is actually just there in the sky and not a much larger object seen from millions of miles away.
The main problem is that the sun goes down every day and doesn't tell us where it's going.
But yes. They also don't know how far away it is. ;)
I was today years old when I learned this amazing secret
Maybe the rocket does have a warp drive and can go warp 9.9 or something. A chemical launch would need multiple stages. But it would still take a few minutes to see it go out!
@@texmechs5757 we know exactly where the Sun is at night, idiot. It's travelling through the underworld, which is why it comes back up on the other side.
Remind me of Police Academy the Bobcat scene with the toilet.
I loved Malcom McDonald in the Stanley Rubiks movie "The Clock and the Orange".
this isn't the clock and the orange
Kubrick
Cute.
😅😅😅
😅😅😅
They just don't _get it!_
Isn't he related to Ewan McDonald from The Phantom Menace?
1 ship in the sol system. really shows you the level of effort put into the writing.
It's well written but STUPIDLY imagined.
It's one thing to use that plot device when they're out on the frontier, but when they're near home base it's utterly ridiculous.
@@redpillfreedom6692 Eh, it's not the first time it's happened, though I agree every time it did happen it was fucking stupid
@@nagger8216 Language.
I lose my shit every time I hear him go "Yup, I'm complaining about this..."
I love the part where he complain about the Kurlen Nascar.
"don't like things that are different" God help you when you see Discovery in a decade or so.
Irish Romulan elves throwing daggers and shooting arrows while pimp-thread Han Solo smokes cigars and looks at FotoMat prints?
Please friend, *choose to live*
Even if Saurons rocket could get to the sun in 11 seconds..... They wouldn't see any change in the Sun's light for 8 minutes! 😂
Your math is blowing my mind...
Yes but this solar system is possibly not exactly the same as Earth's.. maybe Veridian 3 is closer to it's Sun than Earth is to our Sun in our Solar System?
@@lauraashworth3632 If the sun was anything like ours and the planet was that much closer to it then there is no way it would be hospitable to human life.... it would be like Venus except awash with solar radiation.
@@quietearthMT acthulyr his name is supposted be Soran
@@lauraashworth3632 It'd take a number of minutes regardless of the distance in any stable solar system on a planet that doesn't boil humans in seconds
23:46 Wait... so did Picard LITERALLY drag Kirk's dead body BACK UP A MOUNTAIN to bury him?
It bought Kirk's body a few more days, before the animals got to him.
@@the81kid You mean until the Romulans and Borg beamed him up and brought him back to life with nanites.
Plus hundreds of pounds of rocks.
@@moderusprime Please tell me that's not a thing.
@@shanehudson3995 Welcome to the Shatnerverse.
The uniform thing is actually accurate. We did the same thing in the Army in 2005-2006. There was a period of mixing them together, until the final deadline where everyone had to be in the new ones.
Yeah, but I’d hope Starfleet in the 24th century could be a little more organized than the US Army.
@@DeltaAssaultGaming Eh, it's a decent explanation, I just think the way they portray them in this movie is weird. If this was the case then why would the captain (especially someone like Picard) still be wearing the old uniform while people like Riker and Geordi are wearing the new ones? It makes it seem like they have different options and can wear the other one whenever they feel like, which kinda defeats the whole purpose of having uniformity. If we saw another crew that had the old ones while the Enterprise crew had the newer ones it'd work a lot better since it'd appear that the other crew wasn't issued the new ones yet
Plus TNG itself did the same thing. Some extras still had the Season 1-2 uniform while everybody else had the new Season 3-7 uniform.
@@cookieface80 I always figured that was done for budgetary reasons more than anything
@@DeltaAssaultGaming Buuuurn! :)
11:25 If the planet he is on is also similar to Earth in composition and density, then losing the heat from its star would not cause immediate temperature issues because planets are actually really good at storing solar heat. It would take a little over a week before the global average temperature would fall below 0°F, which is completely tolerable. Within a month, global average temperatures would no longer be hospitable to human life, falling below -30°F. At 1 year, the temperature would be a nippy -100°F.
Basically, if we lost the Sun's heat, we would have about 1 month to figure out how to burrow deep underground and find sources of geothermal energy. If we were to waste any of our time or resources on anything other than building a space ship to leave the system, extinction would be assured. Eventually the planet would cool to near absolute zero, our magnetosphere would disappear as the core cools and the dynamo stalls, and then we become just another cold rock in space. R.I.P.
Why would the core cool that quickly? The core isn't being heated by the sun, unless you count tidal forces.
Bro, the goal wasn't to cool the planet but change the gravitational fields altering the course of the ribbon
Not to mention, even if the star did get screwed up, it would take eight minutes for the light received by the planet to change.
@@CClausen85 If that was a criticism of my comment then it is misplaced. I was responding to what Plinkett was talking about at the provided timestamp, not about the plot of the movie.
@@atomic_wait I made no reference to a time frame for the core to cool. I said "eventually". It's literally the first word in the sentence. Currently any guess as to the total time frame of planetary cooling would be hotly debated and highly speculative as we don't know as much as we would like about the core of the planet.
Sirtis' reaction is so hilarious,"the kid, the blind dude..."
Why would the ship's Counselor have been cross-trained to pilot a starship???
Jesus 14 years later and Mike's Plinkett voice still sounds the same in current videos. I am quite happy that he's still making stuff though.
Generations is the most frustrating movie of all time for me.
It was just a complete cash grab. The plot was so f*cking stupid and watching the creaky old crew was just awful. An embarrassing end for Kirk.
@@jasongoodacre I mean, it sounds too good to fail when the pitch is that Picard meets Kirk. Every TNG was going to see it regardless, so there was no pressure to make something good.
What if Picard meeting Kirk was the reason it sucked? What if they just couldn't get William Shatner to do anyting cool because he was too old or he just didn't feel like it
@@thecianinator I'm really disappointed that Shatner didn't tell the producers to fuck off like Nimoy and DeForest did. They must have given Shatner a dumptruck full of money to come back.
@@ShinSeikiEvan DeForest wanted to appear in the film.
Maybe instead of getting help from Kirk, Picard should've asked Giunan for a phaser and just shot Sauron?
@ShoeUnited God this movie's writing still infuriates me.
Dude, if he wanted to do that he should have employed Bilbo and Sam! 😉
I have one: In “Thine Own Self” we see Troi take that Bridge Officer’s Test, which includes solving engineering problems. We can assume that Riker must have taken this test at some point to be able to command the ship. We know from “Starship Mine” that trilithium is a byproduct of the Enterprise’s own engines. Why then, does Riker sound so surprised to hear about trilithium, when I should know from his tests that it’s produced inside his own ships engine? Why doesn’t Worf know this, but calls it an “experimental compound”?
Lol!
And since Troi is now qualified to be a commander, and he's the best pilot, why didn't he give her command and put himself on the helm?
@@doltBmB Indeed. Even if he didn’t put Troi in command, he’d still be able to give commands from the helm station just as well as the command chair. Plus him going to the helm would have been quicker than sending Troi, as he was slightly closer and wouldn’t have had to say anything beforehand!
@@doltBmB You know, that might have actually led to a better outcome.....
Why was Troi made commander at all in the first place? She literally has no technical knowledge on starships. Hell, every ensign is more knowledgeable than her. Show me Marina Sirtis' cleavage!
love the hell out of the "so we all hate Picard's photo album line" makes me lose my shit every time
Maybe the emotion chip needed to go in an SD card adapter to make it fit
ok but their 24th century adapter is bigger than the ones we have :D
@@basteagui Anything out of Star Trek we can do, we already do better.
@@TheSorrel we can send a ship into space. Do we do that better than star trek?
Given that it's specifically designed to go in a Soong-type android, it would feel like an odd design decision to make it to an incompatible format that needs an adaptor to fit.
Captain on the bridge?
more like ...
BRIDGE ON THE CAPTAIN! Get it?
Lol
Soran has really come a long way since his apprenticeship with Morgoth.
-Soran.
-The dark lord??
-Dr. Tolian Soran.
-Oohh DOCTOR the dark lord.
He has also really come a long way since he was the chancellor of the Galactic Republic.
@@rayphoenix7296 Whatever you thought the joke was, this ain't it
@stanbrule9357 It's a joke referencing the fact he looks like Chancellor Valorum.
It is so dense. Every shot has a digital effect!
What is it with Ricks?
The hd remaster we needed, thank you sir
Riker's Nexus fantasy would have been much more interesting: less 'A Christmas Carol'; more 'Boogie Nights'
They used plexiglass to build the whale tank, which they acquired by trading the formula for transparent aluminum.
Plexiglass doesn't shatter either
Another plot hole - how come the Klingons attacked the Enterprise? They wanted to take over the Klingon Empire using the secret of trilithium which Soran gave them the data for and presumably gave them the access code to unlock it after they beamed him to the surface. If he didn’t give them the access code wouldn’t their beef be with him and not the Enterprise? Did they just attack the Enterprise opportunistically because they were in the mood?
Thank you for preserving and even improving this masterpiece, you glorious hack.
Thank you, Blue Copter!!! Thank you for posting the complete version of the very first Plinkett review. This is history!
Sometimes he uses a phrase that's not meant to be funny, but his delivery just cracks me up. "So instead of saying, like, 'FIRE ALL WEAPONS. FIRE ALL WEAPONS REPEATEDLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN, UNTIL THEY BLOW UP. KEEP FIRING PHOTON TORPEDOES NONSTOP.' You know, they could have done that."
Unfortunately, I worked at the long-closed “Star Trek: The Experience “ in Las Vegas for a time. On the re-creation of the Enterprise D (designed by Paramount) used for the “ride”, the guests come in from a hallway on the bridge left rear (facing the viewscreen), then exit via the turbolift on the bridge right rear. I don’t remember seeing a fake door to the captain’s lounge, either - but then again, I didn’t care enough to look for one.
According to the plans I just looked up, there’s a hallway between the conference room entrance and that door. The conference room is directly behind the bridge, but the door doesn’t open directly to it
Small note: Scotty didn't build the whale tank with transparent aluminum. They just bargained that molecular structure so they could get tons of plexiglass.
The Kurlan Naiskos at the end is a cheap replicated copy, Picard secretly flogged the original for a fortune.
Someone paid him to beat it with a stick?
@@DisgruntledPigumon there is a Rule of Acquisition for everything.
Still to this day it never fails to crack me up when Picard says "come pack with me" at 18:12. Stewart is unintentionally funny a LOT in all those TNG movies.
That Klingon flying through the air with fire in the background has been reused so many times.
4:55 - the uniforms I can excuse. When the US Army switched from digital camo that blends with nothing but maybe someone's grandma's couch to an ACTUAL camo pattern, it wasn't an immediate thing. Same with the dress uniforms. When they stopped issuing dress greens, most soldiers - myself at the time included - waited until they made their next rank to get the new ones. So in a formation you had waste-of-government-money camo and good camo. And at functions requiring Dress Uniforms, all the soldiers E3 up to E5 had greens, where the E1s and E2s were issued Blues at Basic Training, and E6 and up usually had enough in their paycheck to cover the update.
@The Grumpy Little Dog maybe. But then Admiral Paris would have told Insaneway to get her crew in new uniforms as soon as they made contact.
Sean Condon I wish he had, if only to make the Voyager crew feel apart of Starfleet again. But I suppose limited replicator power was why they didn’t as they just had to replicate a shit ton of shuttles.
The only issue is the characters individually literally switch uniforms throughout the movie.
@@Dekline25 the time had come
I don't know what Plinket's complaining about. I thought Plaz McCoyle was a great new character.
Lol!
That was Plas-Mak Oil
Been a huge trekkie my whole life but never really warmed up to the "Generations" movie. Your review was spot on and hilarious!
It's mind boggling how much recycled SFX is in this movie. The would never get away with that kinda thing nowadays
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I can't believe how badly they squandered the potential of a Picard/Kirk crossover story.
Unless your name is Michael Bay, of course.
@@SolarDragon007 They should have just left the planet and gone around the galaxy robbing banks.
TBF all the Trek movies after TMP recycled SFX and TrekV and VI used TNG sets too, which I believe were actually sets built in place of older knocked down sets used in Trek's I-IV.
Always thought it was weird how butthurt they got when Data pushed Crusher in the water. I thought it was gonna be a fakeout at first, a moment of awkward silence followed by Crusher or someone else laughing. But no, it's just painfully awkward
Yeah it is a bit weird. When Geordi says to him "Data, that wasn't funny!" I was half expecting him to break into a smile and crack up before saying "That was hilarious!"
Same. I saw it in the theater and was immediately confused. If any other character had done it, everybody would have laughed.
oh my god I got a Totino's Pizza Rolls ad before this video!!! God is real!!!
The guys who wrote this weren't new to Trek, how was it so bad? Was it pressure from the studio? Was there some studio exec that told them not to worry about the details?
Here's two things that will make you hate the movie even more. The original writer for Yesterday's Enterprise notes that his original intention was to have the past Enterprise be the Enterprise-B, and that it would emerge from shortly before its destruction when all of the crew was killed. However he changed this to the Enterprise-C because he knew that episode would never be made. Rick Berman himself said that if they'd known that movies would get greenlit after the series ended, they would have saved the script and used it for the first movie. Also there was an unmade script which ended the plot of Data's emotion chip, back when it was in Lore's head. Lore found out about Lal and realized Data's emotion chip would repair the fundamental flaw that collapsed her positronic net (it's left vague if it would have worked, but the ending that makes most sense would be Data sacrificing his ability to feel emotions so that his daughter could live. It would also redeem Lore.)
I mean, it’s a little hard to redeem Lore, considering that he basically caused the death of Noonien Soong, and led the Borg to murder lots of people.
@@DeltaAssaultGaming and don't forget committing genocide against the entire colony because he took a bribe from the Crystalline Entity or some shit.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy true... but need I bring up *Darth Vader?*
How many people, _including CHILDREN,_ did he kill? And torture?!
And all it took to redeem him was to throw some old guy off a ledge into a reactor.
@@TheRealNormanBates Yes, and I always thought that was pretty weak. It's the one really serious problem I have with _Jedi._
@@DistractedGlobeGuy funnily enough, I _don’t_ have a problem with that (fuck the Prequels; they don’t exist).
My problem is the terrible editing and Vader _taking a knee_ and purposely extending his arm out for Luke to chop off.
When even when you’re 13 and realize “the Empire threw the game!” and the rebels win (despite being outnumbered 1000 to 1) simply because “they’re supposed to,” you *suck* as a storyteller.
Thanks for your continued work, these are a really great way to rewatch and reintroduce the Plinkett reviews
Scotty did not build the whale tank out transparent aluminum. Transparent aluminum hadn't been invented yet. What he did was trade the _formula_ for transparent aluminum to that plant manager for a whole load of thick polymer sheeting. That's why he first asked the manager how thick it needed to be to withstand the weight of the whales and the water. Plus a helicopter rental fee so they could load the sheets into the Bird of Prey from above. You see them doing that in the movie. After Scotty shows the manager the formula on his computer, he says it would take years to figure out the dynamics of its matrix, i.e., he can't just whip up a bunch of transparent aluminum right then and there; it's going to take time to learn how to make it and retool the plant in order to produce it. Scotty says the same amount of transparent aluminum which would be needed to build that whale tank would only need to be one inch thick. Take a look at the scene where they're actually building the tank. Does that material look one inch thick to you? No, it's exactly as thick as the manager said it would need to be: six and a half inches, iirc. Scotty built the whale tank out of polymer, not transparent aluminum.
It's the most boring Star Trek movie and the ending is just stupid. Watching an old Kirk climb around that gangway was painful. Those poor hips of his must have been killing him.
I didn't understand why they trusted Sauron in the first place. Like, they let this sketchy person wander around their ship, finding out as much information as he wanted?
14:48 - Let's be honest here, one of the best scenes in Star Trek ever, and also an amazing display of practical effects that still looks truly amazing today, even after watching how it was done with miniatures and the crash took about 1.5 seconds to film, lol
1995 practical effects FTW!
This is how you would properly do a "Special Edition" of sorts giving us what we want but now in glorious HD and all in one video. Hope you get cracking on the rest as we all know CZcams themselves sure as hell ain't gonna do anything to properly preserve these beauties.
No one has seen quality like this
1080p(linkett)
Mike is always brilliant, and the editing was really spot on, as usual, but Plinket tries to down play a little the way the Enterprise is now darker. "I don't like things that are different." It's good for a laugh, but he's right. It is so off putting. The ship looks so different, and for what reason? It's fancier? It has to look more dramatic for a movie? It's so silly. it's so different. it seems like such a small, nitpicky issue to have, but it is very noticeable. Especially if you grew up watching the shows.
I suppose, but TV lighting is supposed to be flat, so it's easy to film on a tight budget & schedule, and bright, so you can see it on a small TV. Movie lighting is designed to look good on a massive theater screen. If every shot was super bright, it would suck to watch in a theater, and it would be much easier to see imperfections in sets, costumes, and effects. At least, that's what my one class in media & filmmaking that I took in community college taught me.
Dude, I love Star Trek. And still I laughed my butt off at your deadpan nitpicking. I loved this!
That's not him. That Mr Plinkett from RedLetterMedia
Why doesn't Mike just get hired on as a Star Trek consultant??
Because then they wouldn't suck?
Because then they will have to hire Rich Evans and then everything will look wrong.
The movie would never get made because he'd never stop pointing out all the inaccuracies
@@DelDuio ...and our beloved Plinkett reviews would be cut down to two minutes a piece.
Cuz focus group revealed people want frames dense with action instead of an hour of arguing about ethical dilemmas
I'll always come back to these reviews to laugh again, they are timeless.
It’s only a matter of time before the animals get to him
The emergency turbolift on the bridge goes to the battle bridge. It was used in the 1st episode of the series(Farpoint).
Yes and the battle bridge was never heard of again (except once if memory serves)
@@cygil1 The kids asked him if they could see the battle bridge in Disaster, and picard was like... Fuck no
Wow, they really ruined the picture in Generations with the Blu-ray Release...
At 11:25, there would be absolutely no effect whatsoever for the ~8 minutes after the star in explodes.
The atmosphere also holds in a lot of heat, so they'd be good for a while.
@Abe Banerman Right. I was saying that even after the rocket reaches and turns off the sun (in a scientifically accurate 8 minutes, or otherwise) the atmosphere holds enough heat to keep our heroe's temperature stable for quite a while.
@UCeLffqApex2ZRPlud8vgQwA It's been hand-waved by guessing that during the cutaway, "time passes" and also that the rocket may have some non-biological warp or time device that is functional after it leaves the atmosphere. However that doesn't explain how the light from the Supernova reaches the planet so quickly (people forget the round-trip), and also that gravity waves also travel at Warp 1. Additionally, the actual impact on gravity back at the planet would take SIGNIFICANTLY more time, since the total mass of the star would change at significantly less than the speed of light, as the star sheds its massive outer layers and the matter radiates at sublight speeds.
The star's MASS would have to be removed
Please please please do the other Star Trek reviews. This looks great!
I plan to do the other TNG reviews. I don’t have a time frame to complete them though. It could be a while. It takes time finding all the clips.
@@CopterBlue Looking forward to it! :D
Yes!!!
@@CopterBlue Holy shit you're reverse-engineering this? What a monumental task.
Go to Redlettermedia all of plinkett reviews of every star trek movie is on there
It never bothered me that had this "echo" in the Nexus. While it's not readily apparent why, it prevents a paradox because the nature of reality inside the Nexus is timeless; if she was there at one time, she should have always been there. She even suggests this when he asks her to go back, but she says she can't, because "she is already there."
The idiots in the comments not realizing this is satire are hilarious... Plinkett is still a source of new comedy gold all these years later 🤣
@11:52, Riker is apparently wearing Nog's uniform
Oh my god, good eye...rofl what the hell
I like to imagine Willy shat calling Picard “sporto”
Captain Kirk and crew "riding off in the sunset" was the perfect ending.
Can't believe they'd treat the Kerlin Neskar that way.
RIP Nichelle :(
I never understood why he had to lure the ribbon to other planets? Wouldn’t it have been easier for Malcolm to steal a spaceship and fly into it?
Picard mentions that apparently no ship can get close enough without being destroyed. Which now that i think about it makes no sense
You had that situation in the beginning of the movie
If Picard goes back to the moment before the rocket launched... shouldn't he have already been there as well?
He didn't need Kirk at all.
And if that was the case, and he stops the launch, shouldn't there be two Picards??
Hopefully it was TNG Picard so someone would have a smart plan
@dustisdeadbodies85 Endgame thought it through.
@dustisdeadbodies85 depends what model of multi-dimensional time is the correct one.
If the Novikhov model is drastically off the mark, then it's entirely reasonable to assume time travellers may be essentially isolated from direct causality like that-like in a model involving the creation of (or travel between) alternate universes by retrograde time travel.
@dustisdeadbodies85 Time travel was good for creating a few fun episodes, but overall its a lazy story telling method that opens a huge can of worms. Star Trek would have been better without time travel, no matter how it was achieved.
He went "back in time". He's still in the Ribbon, which explains the rest of the films. And Picard.
This movie did throw any Star Trek Logic out the broken glass windows.
At 18:46 there is a mistake in the title card. It says “11. The Finale Insult” but should say “11. The Final Insult”. I might upload a corrected version sometime when I finish the First Contact review. I am gonna wait a bit to see if I find any other problems.
I wouldn't worry about it. This is amazing already, thank you for uploading.
I mean, it kinda works as a pun; within a minute later, Plinkett points out that the explosion is stolen from the FINALE of the previous film.
Of course, doing stuff like this you don't want to add anything that wasn't there in the original but still.
The uniforms problem was also in the show, even after the season 3 uniforms debut, you still see crewmen and such wearing the season 1-2 uniforms.
@The Grumpy Little Dog They where actually designing new Uniforms for the movie, but at the last second, it fell apart and they had to fall back on DS9 Uniforms.
Now, why they just didn't use the old uniforms is beyond me. Generations is a movie and all, but in Universe, there is nothing about this that would be different from what we see in the show. The Characters wheren't waking up one day and thought "Oh, I guess I'm in a movie now."
@@TheSorrel I've also explained in my mind as Generations taking place well after the series ended. In universe Season 7 takes place in 2370 and Generations in 2371. Also the DS9 uniform jumpsuits were introduced from the beginning I think, which is 2369, so in-universe Starfleet had been changing over between these two uniforms for at least 2 years at this point.
I think it could possibly also be explained away as Starfleet actually used these two types of uniforms throughout the lifetime of these uniforms, between 2366 and 2372/3.
I just noticed that there's at least one extra in this very movie, in one of the shots Plinkett includes in the segment about the uniforms, wearing one of the modified uniforms they made by just adding a collar to a season 1-2 uniform while removing the piping from the shoulders. You can always recognize them by the zipper they have running down the center.
@@matthewburns3471 I think the canonical explanation they've since come up with was that initially the DS9 uniforms were for stations and/or particularly remote assignments, while the TNG uniforms were for crew on capital ships, but then Starfleet decided to briefly make the deep space uniforms fleetwide before changing their minds again shortly afterwards and replacing all uniforms with the TNG movie-style uniforms.
Lower Decks has much more clearly canonized the assignment-dependent uniforms during that period, since the crews of capital ships have consistently been shown wearing the TNG movie-style uniforms, whereas crews of support vessels like the California class all have the Lower Decks-style uniform.
I guess Discovery also did the assignment-dependent uniforms thing, but theirs looked dumb so I don't want to give it any credit.
Everyone talks about Warf's purple space bazooka. But Warf's little flashlight 15:05 KILLS ME every time 🤣
I have watched this movie less then once and I never knew Sting was in it.
Good one!
Invisible Sun
There's a little black plot on the sun today ....
Mike will love this when he sees it!
So if Picard was in the Nexus and could go back in time to any place and any time he wanted, why didn't he go back a couple of weeks and save his brother and nephew from getting killed in a fire? If you're going to use a cheap plot device to go back in time and press a reset button, you might as well go back far enough to fix EVERYTHING that's wrong, not just the last bad thing that happened to you.
Yeh especially since Robert and Rene’s deaths didn’t really seem to have any reason in the film other than to give Patrick Stewart the change to act crying and make that shocked face at Soren when he mentions fire.
WORF ALREADY KNEW WHAT TRIPERMIFIUM WAS...
The inconsistent uniform thing always bothered me too. Apparently, they actually did design new uniforms for the movie, but they just weren't working right for some reason. So they scrapped them and decided to go with the TV uniforms. But with all the extras in the movie they didn't have enough TNG uniforms for everyone so instead of making more TNG uniforms they just borrowed DS9 uniforms. I guess they blew their uniform budget on the failed new ones or something.
Jesus, now I'll never be able to watch this movie the same way again. I don't remember being bothered by this as a kid, but now it really jumps out.
It actually makes sense if you look at modern militaries. It took quite a while for the Army to completely change from the old BDUs to ACUs back in the day when they made that transition, so for a while you had units wearing a mixture of both.
@@starcoloneldunadansonoft501 Yeah but this is Star Trek. They can just replicate all the new uniforms they need instantaneously.
I'm curious, was the design of the failed uniforms the same one they used in the other TNG movies and the later seasons of DS9, or was it something that was scrapped altogether?
@@nagger8216 They were different. There is some low quality images of some test footage floating around the internet and they even made some action figures with the new uniforms which were never actually used in the movie. Here's a video about it: czcams.com/video/xUUFVIS3SB0/video.html
YAY REMAKE!
the rumor I heard about star trek 6 was George Takei had gotten so sick of William Shatner that he couldnt be on set with him. So they rewrote the part and put him on his own ship, and they never meet.
This might be my fav Plinkett review, especially when he’s talking about glass Windows haha
Why make a CZcams comment about this review after it’s been out for like 14 years? Well the truth is I got nothing better to do. But always wanted to articulate all the little points I like about this review. So let’s begin shall we?
Rating: 5/10
Percentage: 50%
Grade: D
Positives: Kinda fun at times, creative, great acting, great chemistry between Stewart and Shatner, great on paper, good villain, great cast, good start, some good action, great character dinamics
Negatives: awful script, boring, Data is annoying, stupid space cloud thing, Soran's plan, not logical at all, lacks emotion, not much action, Kirk's death, dialogue, bland, forgettable, retconned so much, retconned The Undiscovered Country, messy script, plot issues, bad visuals, the way they use Kirk, reused stuff from The Undiscovered Country, a middle finger to the fans, frustrating, way too much going on
him talking about geordi's "sunglasses" fucking kills me everytime
@ 9:30, Geordi is wearing the old uniform.
@ 9:31, Geordi is wearing the new uniform.
Nice catch.
That one Klingon chick was hot. No, not that one, the other one.
The best part is when a pudgy Kirk causes the support chains to snap and he tumbles to his “death” if you look at the damage caused by Soren, it wasn’t bad, it was an overweight Kirk that did the real damage. Why do filmmakers always hate fat and/or people?
I remember stumbling on this review when it was first posted in 2008, and when I first heard 19:40, I swear I almost died laughing.
My god this came out in 2008?? Jesus I am old. I remember watching this so many years ago when it first came out but not THAT long ago.
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At the beginning he says this movie "has been out for 14 years." Now this review is about that age.
Also, when originally posted it was only a two-parter instead of three; Plinkett's confession to murdering his wife was the very end of the review.
2023-11-16 ... my wife has left me, iive been living homeless in my truck for 10 werks, i've been unemployed for 18 months ...
AND THIS irrevetant film review has me laughing like i havent in YEARS ... absolutely fantastic !!!
What exactly is the Duras sisters' role in this film? They need the weapon from him, but what does he need from them? A ride to Veridian? Seems like he could arrange that in any number of easier ways. (Then again, he could get into the Nexus any number of easier ways.)
you’re a an absolute legend for this Blue Copter
If it takes 8 minutes for light to get from the sun to here, that would mean if the sun “turned off” we would still have sunlight for 8 minutes
I remember being 11 years old and seen this movie in the theater with my friends and we were all excited until 3 minutes into the movie when there's a distress call and the enterprise-b is literally by Mars or the asteroid belt and they say there's no other ships in range I remember being so angered at the lazy writing and just thinking to myself well "strap yourselves in boys we're in for some chop."
This is incredible work! Congrats!
Scotty was on TNG, how’d he get here. Enterprise-D interiors on TV were like a mini van
This is before Relics.
*Wil E. Coyote wrote the script of this movie*
dude did you really reassemble this? extremely good work
Holy shit. Troy is hilarious in real life
And the only two times she piloted the ship, she crashes it. No wonder she's miffed lol
Aperi Oculus Well Troi was pretty crap at her own job, I wouldn’t expect better when she’s doing someone else’s!
I would totally expect her to crash the ship.
Metal, it's Troi, not Troy.
And she saved the ship by captaining in tng, leading to her going for the promotion to commander.
OMG, these reviews... 😂 LEGENDARY!