Everything GREAT About The Last of Us Part 2!
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- Here's Everything GREAT about The Last Of Us Part 2! Stick around till the end for my mini-review of the game.
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Opps! The day before I posted this Laura Bailey won "best performer" for her role as Abby. Not "best voice actor". So... shows how much I keep up with award shows. That one's a bit of a goof. Thanks for watching everyone!
This brushes over most of the issues of the game
I love your content. If you could ease up on the GD cursing so much i know a lot of your fans would appreciate it.
@GamingWins do you think you could do a review on Detroit Become Human? That game does not get so ohh praise in my opinion.
And she deserves it. Despite Abby's... Not that good writing.
My favorite perfomance of hers will always be Kaine in the Nier Gestalt and now Replicant Ver. 1.22474487139...
She does the perfect balance of badass, bitchy but also caring. Also she argues with a book most of the time which is adorable.
The biggest challenge to ‘understanding Abby’s side’ is the undisputed fact that her dad was about to Mengele maneuver Ellie... oh your daughter thumbs up the surgery? you’re about to claim a kid’s life to attempt to study a possible cure; maybe wait to ask her and reconcile against Joel’s protests herself
that guitar segment at the end of the game where she cant play it correctly anymore because of her fingers just hits. that was her gift from joel. a way to remember him. and on her path of revenge, she lost it.
I agree. Ellie really did lose everything 😔
@@haydenberends3905 the quiet beauty of it is that she finally detoxed from the contagious hatred she wasn’t immune to. “Found a cure” in a way. That’s the silver lining I cling to to ward off the depression this game inflicted on me lol
Honestly, if she really wanted to, she could play left handed. Just find a lefty guitar. She only needs one finger to strum or two if you’re using a pick, which is perfect for her left hand missing the two fingers. Her right hand can be used to play notes. She legit just has to flip the guitar around or find a specifically lefty guitar.
she can just learn left handed bruh
Det ramte ordentlig hårdt... hun havde alt indtil hun ville have hævn og mistede det hele
Something I see nobody talking about is the fact that in the left behind dlc Ellie kept her knife under her pillow showing that she was uncomfortable living in Boston but in the start of part two she leaves it on her dresser showing she’s more comfortable and doesn’t need to keep her knife on her at all times
Nice eye on you. Never noticed the parallel before.
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Wow. Thanks for pointing that out! I didn’t know was well and I love that detail
that’s godly
I never thought about that.
When Ellie and Dina are in the basement later and Dina says “now I really wanna know how you’d rate it” you can see Ellie’s expression sour slightly. I theorize she remembered Riley and her kiss in that moment and she’ll never forget it.
The fact that if Ellie would have let her revenge go and stay at the farm with Dina and JJ she would have gotten what she wanted. Abby would have been dead, she would have died on that pillar. That literally blew my mind.
Well she didn't just want her dead, she wanted to kill her with her bare hands. When she's walking around the pillars and finds the fake out, she whispers "please no....please no...", but it's glorious
I know you said this awhile ago but I think Ellie has let go of the hate she has for Abby. I feel the reason Ellie goes after Abby the second time is she feels it’s the only way to not feel guilty about the way she left things off with Joel.
She wouldn’t have gotten what she wanted relating to Abby, her dying a random death isn’t the same as her avenging her father figure, Joel
@@alcyon7536 exactly revenge is one of the most personal concepts that exists; you don't want your enemy to face consequences, you want him to suffer, but more importantly, you want him to suffer *by your hand*
I saw it as she wasn't over her anger at the death of Joel and she saw killing Abby as the only way to "heal". Considering that everything isn't perfect in the farm section of the game (what with her flashbacks and meltdown), her arc just wasn't complete.
11:04 the way the music is building up to the moment on her last swing where it's ear deafening but you can still hear Ellie's scream is so amazing and just makes the scene so much more captivating
Yeah. You can feel the hate and sadness in Ellie the moment of the last swing. That moment got her so angry, that every sound in the room is deafen to her. Her emotions got over the line that her physical body cannot comprehend that moment
20:53 actually when you think about it Nora made an impressive mind game play. She remembers Ellie trying to protect Joel, can obviously tell that she wants vengeance from the fact she made a loooong journey to track her down and that her anger is still fresh and raw enough that she’s perfectly willing to make her suffer instead of outright kill her. So she takes a gamble and gets Ellie to act out of emotion instead of logic hence Ellie hitting her with the gun instead of actually shooting her.
That’s a fun take! I was so worked up hating on Abbys gang i just took it as Nora bein an asshole for the sake of it.
@@GamingWins since they are all paramilitary of sorts I like to think they’ve been trained in situations like this.
@@GamingWins That was fucking obvious though. It's made pretty clear that Abby and her friends aren't just random assholes. And saying that to Ellie was obviously not just to anger her. I mean you'd have to be a big idiot if you anger a person holding you at gunpoint only for the sake of angering them. I feel like soooo much subtle things went overlooked, by you, but much more by a lot of the "haters". Makes me really question the maturity and the empathy of the audience.
@@GamingWins Maybe it was both lol
@@okehansen3872 yeah this entire video just stank of bitterness. It's a real shame 😔
Speaking about Abby and fear of heights, I think it's deeper than just " a simple strategy to make you sympathize with her". With this, we can see a little bit of how long she would go for those she cares about. The faced her worst fear for 2 random scars that helped her before. It shows the guilt that is on her back. She wanted to do something good for someone this time.
Cares about? She literally helps them to feel better about herself.
@@leonpaelinck It's a classic story of starting something for selfish reasons only to find out you want to keep doing it for other selfless reasons. It's a classic storytelling trope that is as old as time and works effectively.
@@yarguswhetz like in that one zombie game, i forgot the name.
Oh yhe " The Last of Us 1"
@@sagoruzemo9557 Joel story in the first game is literally abby story from the second one..
But people hate abby because she killed Joel.. While she went through the same shit as him for other people...
People are biased and that's it.. Me personally I love ellie and Abby equally..
@@leonpaelinck i mean everything we do is selfish same logic can be used and said if i give money to charity i did it to make myself feel good sure that true but i still helped people i did a good thing even if i had a selfish reason everything we so we do it for ourselves
I love the fact that there aren’t any “villains” in this game, there’s only the povs of Ellie and Abby
*Everyone* in this game is a villain, exception being Joel. And we all know how dirty he got done.
@@timothymarzelli3874 Joel was literally the biggest villain in the game man 😧
Still love him tho
@@pinkteea4153 Joel was never a villain. He wasn't the greatest of people, but he wasn't a villain. ND might've tried destroying his character in TLoU 2, but they're not taking that away from him.
@@timothymarzelli3874 he killed a hospital full of people that were trying to save what was left of humanity. Even though this was his final selfish act in life, and ND made it very easy to emphasize with him, when you look at it from every other perspective he's the villain. Joel even recognizes what he's done was bad but he doesn't regret it because selfishly yet adorably Ellie was all he cared about
What he wanted overshadowed what was right. Now, is Joel bad? No, we love Joel he's our favorite grumpy old man. But is he by definition a villain? Yeah.
@@pinkteea4153 You have a very black and white definition of a villain. He saved his pseudo-daughter from being killed for a small chance of a cure. With the knowledge that people had and were adapting to living with the cordyceps zombies around, he instead chose to save his pseudo-daughter. Was he right to do that? No. He was arguably incredibly wrong for doing that. However, while maybe that's not the super do-no-wrong kind of hero your black and white definitions believe in, Joel's *not* a villain for that choice. He acted selfishly, but not out of malice. And acting out of malice is typically one of the key things defining a villain.
I love how this game recontextualizes the first game. Every person in this world has an ellie, and everyone has a joel. By the end of the game, Abby is no better than joel, and Ellie is no better than abby, and Joel's dead. Ellie refusing to kill abby was the only thing that could have happened to break the cycle. If abby died, Lev totally would have gone on the same killing spree as ellie, relentlessly hunting her down and losing himself just like she did. All of these characters have so much in common, two sides of one coin, and i couldnt help but imagine them getting along as friends if the circumstances were different. The game isnt trying to make you feel guilty, its trying to make the world feel more real by showing you that even the antagonists have lives just as complex as joel's or ellie's.
Abby is a psychopath, she isn’t the same as Joel or Ellie
@@alcyon7536 Joel mass murdered the entire fireflies wdym?
@@tuckeredout2887 because they didnt ask ellie if she was ok with doing the procedure, (which wouldn't have worked regardless because that is not how you cure the infection, most people are already dead, they wouldn't have a way of distributing it, they would use it as a political lever not to mention the fact the doctor could've simply taken some spinal fluid tissue instead of trying to lobotomized a little girl they didn't even ask if she was ok with) nor did they ask joel, the guy who fought the whole world just to deliver them, they didn't even allow them to have a goodbye. When being escorted out of their base the guard was being an asshole to him, Marlene didn't deliver his payment and the fireflies are a rebel terrorist group not the 'good guys'. Go play the first game. He is not a psychopath, that is called justice
@@alcyon7536 yeah, but c'mon, joel didnt do any of what he did for "justice". It was purely done for selfish reasons, He just didnt want to be alone again. Wether it was morally correct or not didnt matter to him, he just didnt want to lose his new daughter. besides, ellie said in part 2 that she would have let them do the procedure if she were asked.
@@tuckeredout2887 Just because something is selfish doesn't mean it isn't just. If someone cuts off your finger and you cut off theirs, it is just even though it was for selfish reasons. Ellie was a suicidal teen that wanted to be the saviour for humanity because her crush got killed by the infection while she didn't, just because she chose something doesn't mean its rational or people should listen to it.
32:43 one other thing I love about this bit here is that even though Abby knows why Ellie is there to begin with, yet she still chooses to turn her back to her. I'm not particularly sure how to analyse it but I've always loved that for some reason.
Also the parallels to Joel carrying Ellie in the hospital
It shows her growth in putting more stock in caring about someone than violence, revenge, and bloodshed.
29:46 since Abby actually loses her bag she also loses all the coins she’s been collecting. Including ones her father gave her. Just something I wanted to point out
It shows that she Finally has let go of her dads death and shows her care for lev
@@leafzzzzzslay not really?? like she just lost it all, similar to how ellie losing her fingers meant she lost her connect to joel through playing the guitar
@@r4tsrc00l i think you know this, but besides losing her father's coin, she lost her friends.
@@dashleigh1plays i’m not talking about her friends, im referencing the parallel between her and ellie losing their connections to the dead parents
@@r4tsrc00l yeah yeah, but I was just pointing out about how they also lost other things or people they loved..
Let’s be honest, if Abby was the main character of the games, we would hate Ellie.
Would be Proof of not looks but on their actions that we hate/love certain characters
You can switch joel and abby's dad and we would all love that dude
@@motoredwin1995 I think it’d also be proof of how just shaping the story a little can change our views on someone entirely.
Wait, people here have brain cells, d fug
@@The-Like-Button small spec of hope
Holy Sh*t, you're right
Can I throw in another win for the "Take on me" cutscene. It was a touching moment between the ladies, and a haunting reminder of all the lessons Joel and Ellie must have had together in Jackson. It's also a very pretty rendition so win for Norwegian pop.
Was stunned to not see it be a win. It was an amazing moment of peace from all the heavy cutscenes and gameplay to that moment. Perfectly placed, perfectly acted, a masterpiece of a cutscene.
@@johnkimble523 it should deserve a second win just for the fact that it rewards exploration in a very nice way.
I love how Ellie's journey mirrors Joel's journey pre-first game, when he had closed off his heart and became something he would later be ashamed of. Abby's journey mirrors Joel's journey from the first game; a jaded and messed up person learning to open their heart and have someone to love and fight for.
I hate tlou 2 for killing off Joel so early, but that's what I also love about the game, it makes the player feel grief and pain after being attached to Joel, which is the driving force for the game.
I respect them for going Bold instead of playing it safe with another Joel and Ellie adventure
It’s just we worked so hard with Joel and Ellie and he just dies
I think it was supposed to let us sympathize with Ellie more. She, like us, has not “seen” Joel for a long time, and the moment she decided to start forgiving Joel, which is the moment the game starts, Joel just died, and we’re just as empty as Ellie is.
I couldn't relate to Ellie's anger. It was so depressing...I don't think I can ever not be hurt thinking about it.
I get where your coming from, but doing something completely out of character isn’t bold. Also, you say having another Ellie and Joel adventure would be a bad thing. Do you not play any games with sequels then (uncharted, the Witcher, Ratchet and Clank)? All games with the same main characters. And Joel and Ellie were the best duo in gaming history. It’s a massive injustice we only got one game with them properly
This is actually my favourite game I’ve ever played. The game challenges you to rethink perspectives, its the first game I have ever played that was intentionally uncomfortable at many points and I found both sides of the story so compelling (if maybe a little long). And I love most that the game is just one big grey area, you end it completely understanding why Joel, Abby and Ellie all did the terrible things they did. I’d love for the games to continue onwards with Abby and Lev as the main duo :)
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Get out of here
I’m with you man 👏🏾 but I’m still skeptic abt abbie 😂 but I loved the game. Ofc it has ups and downs but I loved the way it makes me feel, joels dead and we gotta accept that, Ellie didn’t kill abbie and we have to accept it 😭 it’s hard but I respect Ellie’s choice no matter what.
@@squilliumbmaximum idc what anyone says but, Ellie literally murders hundreds to get to Abby, just let her go,makes no sense.
@@tochukwuudu7763 exactly, it’s ups and downs, nonetheless a game is a game
I loved this game. When comparing it to the first, I wouldn’t say one is necessarily better than another. I think they’re just different. 2 games, 2 different stories that were going for something different. Different themes. Both did what they set out to do. Even if I preferred the simplicity of the story telling and the journey of the first game, I think they are both masterpieces in their own right.
Your statement could be true if this game wasn’t a sequel to the first. If these were two different games with no affiliation, it wouldn’t have any hate. Unfortunately though, when you tear down the foundation that the first game creates and makes horrible writing decisions then the fans get mad. The writers ruined this series and I am still yet to pick up this game and I never will.
1 is definitely better than the other, literally lol
@@moneygrabber6720 I agree, but not fully. I feel if it wasn't a sequel to the first game, it would've still been disliked, but it would've been forgotten and brushed off since it's still pretty bad even as its own thing, but it doubling back on the first game and making it retroactively making the first game tied to it and pulling it down made it hated by destroying something that was loved
@@Freelancer8372 is better in every way except for story structure.
They literally upgraded everything to make this game better, and it is.
With Abbie protecting her child friend person she sees how Joel did what he did and I think that’s why Abbie has a change of heart because she understands wht Joel did
I think it's so awesome that you took a game you had a negative experience with and tried to delve deep to find the positive aspects you may have missed out on. I really appreciate and learned a lot from what you had to say here. I actually really disagree with the suggestion you made about the pacing though. It's commonly taken for granted by TLOU2's critics that ND's intention is to "*make* the player empathize with Abby." And with that assumption stated, it's then easy to think of ways ND could have made it "easier" for the player to like/empathize with her. I think the reason these criticisms don't really work (imo) is because the founding assumption about ND's intent is wrong. In my view, it's pretty clear from the ending and overall tone of the game that ND does NOT want to make empathizing with Abby easy. It's not supposed to be easy because FORGIVENESS IS NOT EASY. They want the player to struggle.
In the first game, Joel's decision to save Ellie at the end is not a difficult one. It has the illusion of difficulty, as players can discuss whether or not Joel did the right thing, but it's a very intellectual exercise because, emotionally, the game is absolutely designed to make you root and cheer for Joel to save Ellie even as he's killing doctors/nurses.
I think the second game actually retroactively improves that ending by demonstrating the reason we feel so UN-conflicted with Joel's choice-point of view. With a minor exception, we experience virtually the entire first game from Joel's perspective. So OF COURSE we're going to agree with his decision to save Ellie. Did a substantial number of players REALLY hope he'd just let her die on the operating table? I doubt it. The story's not structured that way.
But in Part 2, we get Abby's side of the story. And suddenly the relative comfort we may have felt with Joel's choice at the hospital begins to wane. The reason the "Ellie - Day 1; Abby - Day 1; Ellie - Day 2; etc" structure is not as powerful is because it mars the integrity of each respective POV. By staying in Ellie's shoes for the entirety of the three days in Seattle, we are fully immersed in her world and POV. When we switch to Abby's halfway through, it's jarring, and the inertia on which we've been coasting is completely disrupted. We are FORCED to consciously attempt to rewire our brain, remap it to ABBY'S world. Abby's POV. In other words, in my view, the so-called "pacing problem" with TLOU2 is an absolutely intentional (and effective) choice. It's part of what makes the moral dilemmas and emotional conflicts become REAL for the player. The fact that people feel so angry at the end of the game and so frustrated with Ellie's choice to spare Abby is actually proof, to me, that ND was successful in making the conflict emotionally REAL and not just an intellectual exercise (as the first game's ending "dilemma" was).
ND goes to significant lengths to NOT outright absolve Abby. She's sleeping with a man who has a pregnant girlfriend. Her own friends question her moral compass and sanity, one of whom calls her "a piece of shit." ND portrays her as a complex, flawed human being even in the second half. It doesn't go from "SHE'S THE DEVIL" to "Aw, she's an angel!" It just shows she's human. Period. And that's enough.
If ND's intent was to make it *easy* to empathize with Abby, if the intent was simplistic "revenge is bad; choose forgiveness" moralizing, the ending of the game doesn't make much sense. Think of Ellie and Joel's final conversation. Ellie says, "I don't think I can ever forgive you for that. But I would like to try." The game doesn't end with forgiveness. It's not expecting the player to have easily forgiven Abby because she plays fetch with dogs or to forgive Ellie's murderous vengeful rampage through Seattle because she used to be a sweet kid. Rather, I think there's good reason to read this as ND urging us, the player, to "try" to do the impossible-empathize with the enemy. I believe they structured the game in part so we would truly understand Ellie's dilemma, choosing between revenge and forgiveness, and really feel the weight of it.
tl;dr-It's okay to get to the end of TLOU2 having not achieved forgiveness...but ND is urging us to try.
If no one else is going to give props to this comment, then I will. You have my props.
My only issue with where they added Abby’s POV, was that it kinda annoyed me that they interrupted a very big, dramatic scene with like 10 hours of backstory for Abby.
It literally goes from Jessie being dead, and Tommy and Ellie possibly dying aswell, to Abby hanging out with her friends three days prior. I just wish they picked a different spot for her backstory.
@@sobosoup Yeah, but hold on. In adding that ten hours, it increases the level of dread for what’s going to happen in that theatre. It’s building and building. You realize what Abby has pretty much dragged her friends into and you’re seeing the attempt at redemption (whether you agreed is on you; that’s the beauty of these two games the morality is open to interpretation).
you are my favourite person now
@@well1012 also after basically thinking that Abby is hiding from Ellie in the Aquarium, bc the story is about Ellie so why else would she do that, we find out that basically nobody really knew about her most of the time and she was just a sideplot during the war with the scars. That includes Ellie hanging out with people that Ellie will all kill and that might still be alive if Abby had known. Her not getting Lev of the island may have saved everyone in the aquarium. Or her not letting Tommy and Ellie go
31:52 this moment of the video had me in stitches oh my god the emotional whiplash from sorta light hearted but serious reflection on the story and characters to just “lmao watch the right hook dude unloads into this kid” absolutely hilarious stuff
34:46-34:55 I agree with this so much. There is so much pessimism in fandoms now which I will never understand. Adopting an optimistic perspective in regards to entertainment was one of the best decisions I ever made.
My personal experience with the last of us part 2 is that I really enjoyed it. It definitely has some flaws but there is so much this game does great: the voice acting, the visuals, the attention to detail, the gameplay. To right all of that off because you do not like the pacing and/ or some of the decisions in the games plot just seems like a waste to me.
I personally was fine with Abby. As a History Major I can confirm that nothing is as one sided and simple as we want it to be. Which this game did a decent attempt at showing, not perfect mind you (pacing) but decent none the less.
I also respect Naughty Dogs decision to not make this game a repeat of the first and instead tell the story that they wish to tell. To me it shows that they have passion in their craft and are willing to take a cut in profits to see that passion fulfilled. Naughty Dog is the only gaming company that I am always waiting with excitement for their future games.
Great video man you pointed out several things that I never noticed like the symbolism behind Owens mural. I loved hearing your take on the game. I hope this channel gets the recognition it deserves.
Well put! Even though it wasn't as good as the first game, it was still enjoyable. And I'm excited to see what the Dog makes next. Thanks for bein here every upload my man!
@@GamingWins I mean I don't hate the game and I don't think it deserves an 0/10( that spot is reserved for X6 and Sonic Boom), but still hearing how Neil treated his employes and how he isn't willing to accept criticism, it leaves me kind of conflicted about it. If you liked the game thats fine, but does it truly deserve a Game Award.
@@doctoromega009 yeah I believe so, the themes in this game will forever stay with me.
@@doctoromega009 it does.in 2020 it is the best game
@@doctoromega009 if this game had absolutely no story or characters, the gameplay, set dressing, and visuals could carry it
CinemaWins: They took a huge risk to tell a story nobody saw coming...
Also CinemaWins: *Proceeds to play Abbys sex scene
Very subtle pun... love it 🤣
@@jeshonloonskin4176 the amount of cutscenes in this game make it cinema
“The wounds of conscience always leave a scar.”
P. Syrus
So how much of a conscientious act is it to go forward? Choosing to rest your conscience will only bring more unrest and destruction. It is more correct and more beneficial to try to forget and try to prevent the loss of conscience-blood rather than revenge...
Unscrupulousness is one of the important factors that increase grudge and hatred. Injustice and unscrupulousness have a great role in the separation, polarization and deterioration of the ties of society.
I continue with Victor Hugo.
Being good is easy, what is difficult is being just. The most perfect just is conscience..
whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster, if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
This quote by Friedrich Nietzsche is a reminder to measure yourself and be aware of your own thoughts.
In other words, you should always criticize yourself when you enter into a "questioning war" because your life and your own feelings always have plans for you. And the "narrative" of "The Last Of Us Part II" handles this with great mastery.
In addition, The Last Of Us Part II's script is deep, philosophical, dark, emotional and thought-provoking.
A masterpiece that has taken the industry so far and set a new bar.
Again, I will continue with a quote from Friedrich Nietzsche:
“When we are questioned on an unprepared subject, the first thought that comes to our mind is often not our own thought. But it is just a commonplace thought that belongs to our class, position, and ancestry. Self-thoughts rarely surface.”
Time, patience and thinking skills are required for high-level, powerful and philosophical “things” that are actually difficult to understand, difficult to notice. In order to find the real and the essence...
The Last Of Us Part II meaning of life, moral relativism, philosophy of empathy, self-criticism, definition of the concept of human, narrative art, creating a post-apocalyptic universe (dystopia) and blending its philosophy with the people it creates in the post-apocalyptic universe, the meaning of respect, thinking A masterpiece on meaning and emotion transfer. The Last Of Us Part II is the ultimate masterpiece of the eighth generation. And these concepts require “extremely hard thinking”.
Let me end with a final Nietzsche quote:
“The life of the enemy. Whoever lives for the sake of combating an enemy has an interest in the enemy's staying alive.”
Because maybe that person or that thing is not an enemy. It is only the key that will unlock your own conscience and your own feelings...
We cannot talk about good and evil directly, they are related and relative concepts.
Formulating that existing evil was or was not done by a God does not prevent evil from existing. Evil can be tolerated, guided by the will to live. This endurance will be through art, morality and love. Albert Camus attributes his rejection of God to the existence of evil and its abundant and violent experience by humans. According to him, the question we should ask is: Is there evil in this world? Evil, if any, is incompatible with the idea of God. In a divine order, in a world created and ruled by God, the existence of evil is inconceivable. For example, death is an evil and evil inflicts punishment on us. However, “the one who is right is the one who never kills”. This means that he cannot be God. “Either we are not free, and the almighty God is responsible for evil; or we are free and responsible but God is not omnipotent.
According to philosophers, evil harms the bond between people and the state of being human. In my opinion, kindness builds bridges between people, develops bonds and contributes to being human. Kindness is a joy that includes honor, not arrogance. So the fools and the dead are people who do not feel their conscience, do not understand themselves and become numb with this meaninglessness, this is not true peace,
Good people are actually people who have attained peace of mind and prosperity. Their difficult but constructive and strong-willed behaviors show that they trust their own worth and justice. Because the "thing" that is better than being good is conscientious justice, and this is what real goodness and real good person are.
That’s why The Last Of Us Part II is the most unique and emotional roller coaster masterpiece...
Never has a game made me feel like this game has. I loved this story. It was so incredibly heart breaking and sad. I really hope that part 3 has Ellie and Dina get back together. I really do.
@fungunboiz and she picks up JJ’s doll
I think this deserves another win as well at 17:48 - The first time Tommy shoots the rifle, Ellie is startled and sorta jumps, birds also scattering, and in subsequent shots she stays still - Just another example of attention to detail.
First time playing this took a lot out of me. But for any game to make me feel real emotion other than the normal "fun" response is a win in my book.
Ashley Johnson’s performance is AMAZING!
No.
Yup
@@moret25 thank god you're not a casting director with your bullshit
I like the mehico man
something impressive to me is how Nora was willing to take the beating of a lifetime just to save her friend. Nora's a real one
I love how ellie looks like tess a little when she is older
. . . Huh
@@haydenberends3905 the hair
I think that if/when Part 3 happens, it’s gonna feature an adult Ellie that looks almost like Tess
I really wanted to hate Abby. We were supposed to but I didn’t really even think about fetch or fear of heights as reasons to like her. Her abandonment of her entire life with the WLF for Lev and Yara made me rethink it. But ultimately her rejection of violence in Santa Barbra really made me genuinely like her.
This is coming from someone who discovered TLOU by being compared to Ellie and has a deep connection with the first game
Agreed, I don't really understand the criticism that the developers try to "force" you to like Abby. They basically are doing the same thing they did with Ellie and Joel(mostly Ellie) in the first game.
i really strongly feel the game was unneccesary and ruined the first's legacy.
@@hoogeh1627 I'm glad you're in the minority because not only is this game astoundingly good, it's better than the first in every way except novelty.
@@GenghisKhanPolitics It seems to be pretty 50/50, and it objectively is far more heavy handed with its character influencing, such as the zebra and dogs. This is objective mate not subjective
@@hoogeh1627 It's nowhere near 50/50. You need to get out of the internet comment bubble to understand. TLOU2 has crushed sales records. It's the best selling PS4 exclusive on launch of all time, with nearly 3 million copies just in the first month.
Easily one of the all time favorites.
I think it’s a sign of how good this game is that I have the opposite opinion you do. By the end I completely understood Abby and was rooting for her because her choices and journey made more sense to me. Ellie turned into a mindless vengeance machine whose decisions kept confusing me. They both lose everything to their quest for revenge and that was enough of a satisfying ending for for both.
Interesting, I could understand, except that ellie let her go....killed a lot of story, as if Joel had handed ellie over to Marlene. It doesn't track and worse, she lost everything for the chance, and then didn't even use it when she won.
I was so disappointed when Ellie chose to go after Abby again but I didn’t consider that a fault towards the game like so many seem to. I like how in the end it was ultimately Ellie who had to make the choice.
I agree. By the end, Ellie had lost all character and was just obsessed. Abby managed to get over her rage before she lost the last person who was special to her, while Ellie willingly threw away the people she claimed to love.
@@75ur15 I could see how you thought Ellie letting her go was the wrong move. You probably agree with Joel's decision at the end of the first game. This is the fundamental difference between Ellie and Joel. Ellie consistently wants to make the decision to save the many. Ultimately if Ellie kills Abby and the cycle of revenge then continues with Lev, that would go against her character. Joel wouldn't have made the same decision, but Joel is very different than Ellie.
@@yarguswhetz that answer makes sense, except that she killed so many on the way to that after already having decided....they could still be out for revenfe for the many she did kill, and she ended up SAVING the one who killed joel...I say it doesn't fit, that said I'm no author/ creative, my opinion is worth (to others) only that to which others accept it. I leave with this, I don't like it, but the company, universe etc doesn't care what I like ;)
Despite all the controversy around the game, Naughty Dog is - without a doubt - one of the best developers and storytellers in the industry.
As a *huge* fan of CinemaWins, I was excited to watch this because CinemaWins is always such a positive and optimistic channel with how it views films that even most people would tear apart.
I know you say at the end you don't want to add to the negativity, but it's a bit disappointing to hear you bash on Abby so much. Sure, there's easy tricks to make us like her, but the point of the story - I think - is to show us how everyone has their own side to the story. I really liked how everyone you gun down as Ellie has a name that another "enemy" shouts out in pain. Ellie has lost so much, and I do think we're meant to care about her more, but this game shows you how she's only adding to everyone else's loss through her quest for revenge. You can still agree with her choices throughout, but I think you *should* feel a little bit ill towards the end. When Abby and Ellie fight in the theatre, I felt physically unwell because - as you said - these two would've been friends in another life. They were two characters that I'd grown to care about, and I had to force them to fight, and Naughty Dog is just...*genius* for it.
Also, you skipped the most badass cinematic in the whole game: Abby getting cut down from the rope, Stalkers shrieking in the woods, Abby grabbing a hammer and visibly clenching every muscle in her body, and then "bam* gameplay time, haha. 🤘🏻
"If developers always catered to what the fans wanted we wouldn't have great games or risks taken." Can you tell that to literally half of the Nintendo fanbases out there!?!?
Screw Nintendo. I'd say that applies to almost ALL game development studios nowadays.
@@DH-jy9tr You do realise I was talking about the Nintendo FANS who are never f***ing happy with anything Nintendo makes because it's not another remake of some game they could probaply just pop into there system and play again or it's a character in Smash that wasn't on all those copy pasted "TOP 10 CHARICTERS WE NEED IN SMASH BROS" lists or think bullying kids who enjoy games they don't and not talking about the actual company it self right?
@@BellmoTheGreat Bro....that's LITERALLY what I'm saying what applies to all other studios. If a game nowadays isn't straight fucking shining right outta the gate. Or doesn't tailor to what exactly 'the fans' want. It's called 'trash' or 'worst game ever made'. Etc. This guy here says "too much pessimism in fanbases nowadays". I say THAT'S A FUCKING UNDERSTATEMENT!!! It's not the developers faults...it's the fucking gamers.
I mean I don't support the fans who were mad only because Joel died, Ellie is gay or Lev is a trans. I think there are very many issues with execution in this game. I know what ND was trying to do and I respect them enough to give them the creative freedom to tell the story they wanted and me as the player, my job is just to experience it or criticize its execution. I don't think the game was a 10/10 Masterpiece Game of the Generation that truly defines gaming as a whole or a 0/10 Worst game ever made and Neil Cuckmann is a soyboy. I think the game is good but with really big story and gameplay mistakes but it is not as bad as the internet fuckin thinks dammit
@@jasonalv7436 the story and pacing could have done better.but the gameplay is aweosome bro.
30:07 they didn't make it that Ellie could infect people with a bite, because of the reason that in that case she couldn't kiss anyone either
but what if she could spread her immunity instead of the infection with a bite/kiss. have we seen anyone she has kissed/biten turn? i think not
@@NTTofMistery kind of defeats the point of the entire first game lmao
I loved Ellie's character but for me it only caused hurt when I witnessed her spiraling down. I was so happy she didn't kill Abby in the end because for me this saved her soul. I view this game broadly as "us versus them" situation where we justify the acts of our loved ones just because they are "us". Either way, great video and I'm happy I found your channel.
Speaking for myself, I don’t know what I wanted from TLOU2 and I was super hyped
A year later, I still feel the same as when I went through the game the first time, I liked it a lot, I was not disappointed.
I've thought long and hard about this game since I played it. As you said the first game was about love, this was about hate. I think to a degree the developers really evoked that feeling in me, but it's such a negative emotion it's hard to feel positive about the game. That being said there were major issues with pacing and the two halves like you said. I don't think Abby petting the dogs and Ellie killing them jumped out at me when I played it, but I can see that it's pretty jarring now. I appreciate cinemawins a lot more and agree it's so much easier to be negative, so I like the more positive looks on things. Thanks for the video.
I agree. I played it in January, and it has been sitting there in my head for months. I don't want to replay it, I didn't enjoy it, but it was very well done. Replay of TLOU didn't re-create the same gut feeling as the first play, but playing TLOU2 _did_. I don't know if I'd play any future game in the series.
Honestly. I feel like they should've made all the Joel flashbacks, or at least the first one before he died. And have then jump between Ellie and Abby every time the day is over, feels like it would've had more impact and not have you forget what happened in Ellie's story.
37:50 exactly what you said about the guilt she's feeling. She wanted the revenge so bad because not only couldn't she forgive Abby for killing Joel but she also couldn't forgive herself for all those lost years she was angry with Joel for lying to her with what happened with the fireflies. She couldn't forgive herself but projected it all towards Abby. At the end she finally realised just that and let go of Abby because she knew it wouldn't change anything nor bring Joel back.
Kinda broke it for me, like if jlel.had handed ellie over to Marlene at the end of 1, didn't follow the character or story for me .......and the Mary sue issue
The WLF attack on the scars was such a beautiful horror, everything on fire whilst people kill each other make it look like hell, my favourite part of the game
I remember when I got to Abby's section I putted the game off for a while and kept telling myself to continue it until I finally did and holy crap was it worth it
The quality of your content is very good! I really hope your channel starts growing, you deserve it.
I appreciate that! And hope to god it does :)
@@GamingWins yea man you need more subs for this content
One thing I absolutely loved was the fact that Seattle felt like Seattle unlike infamous second son. I'm from Washington and been to Seattle a lot so I was able go appreciate it so much
Just wish they'd show Mount Rainier in the background a bit more because it's so beautiful 😍
i genuinely love this game, im so glad they took the risk and in my opinion it really paid off. i see this as a masterpiece, regardless of what most think about it
Me too 😍
I feel really bad for finding Lev getting decked by that big guy so funny I chuckle every time I see it
To anyone who thinks that Abby got off too easily, consider this: Her quest for vengeance destroyed the only meaningful relationships she ever had and brought her neither closure nor satisfaction. In the end, everyone Abby has ever know or cared about is either dead or would consider her a traitor. All she has is Lev and neither of them have a community to call home. Also, Abby was held prisoner by the Rattlers for two months and it would be rather naïve to think they wouldn't have raped her in that time, though in this regard, I'd be far more concerned about Lev. Read up on the very real-world statistics of sexual assault on the trans community, then add in the fact that this game takes place in a world without laws. Just the thought of what they probably did to that boy is disturbing.
Man. I never thought about that. I sorta wish the game had given us some insight on their time imprisoned, but at the same time, I'm glad they didn't.
@@haydenberends3905 I'm glad they didn't
@@haydenberends3905 I am so damn glad they didn't. This game was amazing, but fucking depressing. It didn't need to be more depressing lmao.
@@penguins788 Good point
@@penguins788 agreed. It's bad enough that it's blatantly obvious they starved Abby (and Lev no doubt too) as her arms and overall physique is much smaller in the end.
The fact that it was such an emotionally traumatizing game. A lot of players were upset and pissed off that Joel died and Abby didn't die for it. Little did they know that the devs got EXACTLY the reaction they wanted. Or at least if I had been the writing director, that's the reaction I'd want. Killing off a loved character in a "pathetic way" makes it more memorable.
Do you know the definition of pathetic?
I could write an essay about Parts 1 & 2, all I’ll say is for me this was a needed catharsis for living through 2020 and the cover of Poor Wayfairing Stranger became one of my most favorite songs every, I cried when it came on during the credits
Brilliant job! I loved The Last Of Us so much I avoided playing this game, afraid it wouldn't hold a candle. Until a week or so ago, just finished it. When Abby's story began I asked myself "What the f...?" Then understood instantly. I seriously appreciated what Naughty Dog did with the two story lines/points of view, to the point when they fought both times I was seriously conflicted, Ellie pissed me off a number of times how self righteous she was, despite understanding why. My only real complaint was the flashbacks were too long, they could have made the point in less time and the same goes for Abbie's non-combat scenes. And for the record, Abbie's a bit more of a badass than Ellie but I understand why she won. Gotta go, going to check your other video for your other thoughts. I'm new to your channel and really enjoy you personable demeanor and writing. And appreciate the Cinemawins reference.
I know that a lot of people won’t agree with me but I’m gonna be totally honest. I love the two game but I prefer the second one. There is a special place in my heart for The Last Of Us 2 and I know that a lot of people have problems with story decisions, but I was completely on board. My only real issue was passing in some parts of the game. But other than that, for me the two games are masterpieces
I thought i was the only one. I liked the 2nd game more than the 1st because of how much more realistic and emotional it was
I like both when I first found out about Joel dying I hated it but continued to play and now it’s in my top 5 favorite games
same, i felt more emotional with the 2nd one and the visuals are amazing. both games are amazing though
Me toi dude
Same
I’m gonna share my unpopular opinion; I love this game. I think it’s fantastic, probably on par with the first game. Though the first game will always be a little more emotionally impactful and important to me because it released less than a year after my dad died, so some of its subject matter hit really close to home for me.
Unfortunately, I did get spoiled on some of the biggest plot points of the games story before I got it, like Joel’s death, switching perspective to Abby halfway through the story, and Ellie sparing Abby at the end. But despite knowing all of that going in, and despite the controversies and divisiveness surrounding this game, I still loved this game in the end. And I’ll tell you why. Because to me, this game is about the stages of grief. More specifically the first 3 stages; denial, anger, and bargaining. It’s about Ellie’s journey through the stages of grief. When reading though Ellie’s journal and listening to her and Dina’s conversations all throughout Day 1, it’s clear that Ellie has been actively avoiding talking about Joel at all since they left Jackson. She avoids even mentioning his name and actively tries to steer conversations away that were about him, or just doesn’t respond altogether. That’s almost textbook denial. If you don’t talk about it, it’s not real. Next comes anger, which we first see a little of in Day 1 after Ellie has been captured and sees one of Joel’s killers, but it really starts to show in Day 2 with just how aggressive and ruthless she is. Also the fact that she brutally beat a woman (yeah she felt guilt and regret afterwards, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that she still did it). Day 3 is still anger with how she acts and her decision-making. Why continue to head to the aquarium when you have a new lead to where Tommy is? Sure, maybe it’s not him and if it is, maybe he won’t be there when you get there. But it’s a better lead than the random guess of the aquarium because you don’t even know if Tommy knows it exists. The sniper shooting a wlf’s is the much better lead. Despite her stated motivation, it’s obvious her real motivation is to still go after Abby for pure revenge and anger. And then in I guess what you call the epilogue, Ellie is in the bargaining stage. “If I just go after Abby and kill her, I’ll stop having PTSD flashbacks.” As someone who still occasionally has nightmares of when my dad died over 8 years, I can say there’s nothing you can really do to get rid of them. You just have to live with them and work your life around them. Ellie is clearly, at least to me, is trying to bargain to stop the pain, to try and live a happy life again. And while we don’t really see depression or acceptance (though maybe Ellie letting Abby go is both of those happening at the same moment), I’m fine with that since I feel like we see those two stages more often than we do the other three.
And that’s why I personally love TLOU2
@@terryliamakeros4552 I don’t really know how that applies to anything I said, but okay
@@CmdrShepard95 you do you I’m happy you liked it at least it worked for you
Thanks for sharing!
@@CmdrShepard95 the ending is a culmination of Ellie coming face to face with her demons . Killing abby = never forgiving Joel but realizing cathartis, primal savagery to release all emotional trauma . Sparing abby = Forgiving joel & forgiving herself for what she's done , acceptance, the hardest decision but the right one .
Masterful ending .
@@dylana.9057 But don't forget the thousands if not millions of people who think otherwise about the game.
I also love the detail of Abby’s pony tail being shorter in the flashbacks, and being long in the regular time.
I mean, that’s how getting older works
I thought the detail of her being absolutely JACKED was better, fricken love it
I *loved* TLOU2. I never understood the hate it got. Like I get the complaints, but for me, they never even occurred to me when I played it. I loved the game the entire play through, even abby’s section
Great video but I would definitely recommend checking out Abby’s part of the game again, yes they do use things such as saving the zebra to build sympathy but there is a lot more there that I feel is ignored either by accident or not
Agreed! All of Abby’s stuff with Lev and Yara really made me like her more. I loved seeing her stick her neck out to help those kids.
It's ignored BECAUSE its there to build sympathy. If after the death of Joel you just jump to Abby and Lev you wouldn't care one bit for her.
Abby doesn’t deserve sympathy. I get why people say she does because Joel killed her dad but we fall in love with Ellie and Joel during the first game. So theirs no reason for people to like Abby
@@Nonfatrain I mean, if there wasn't a reason, then why do people love some antagonists despite them having done horrible things.
Everyone has a reason to like a character, whenever or not the studio intended the reason or not, you just need to find one.
You have your reason to like Joel and Ellie, despite them having done as horrible things as Abby. There are no right/wrong people in the world this game plays in, all them want to survive, and that makes them do horrible things as slaughtering a father/father figure.
@@Nonfatrain Swap the perspectives and play as Abby knowing nothing about Ellie and you'd think Ellie is a fucking monster. Ellie and Abby are literally one in the same. They're both justified and yet not justified for what they do at the same time. Almost like that's just the kind of people the world creates. Everybody has a story and another side, very few people in both games are genuinely awful people. Both games are very human, and people forget that. If you like and sympathize with Ellie there is literally no reason or excuse why you shouldn't sympathize for Abby. There is no good or bad, there is no black and white, the entire world in both games is nothing but one big gray area.
As a new Critter myself, I love hearing others in the fanbase shoutout. Literally subbed yesterday, and I love your work. Great to have more Wins videos to watch, because liking things IS more fun than not-liking them :)
Agreed...far better to have a positive outlook on things, especially those that you enjoy doing i.e. games, films etc.
A few days ago, I finished The Last of Us 2 after managing to dodge almost all spoilers for the game for 2 years (the only spoiler I knew going into, was that Abby kills Joel, and I didn't know when, where, why, or any of the contexts). It was a genuinely great game. The pacing and story beats kind of felt all over the place? But the story didn't suffer at all from it, in my opinion. The gameplay was really hard and even unforgiving in some places, I've found. Like, I barely managed to get through some really difficult sections because the game would force me to go from some really resource draining moments into a firefight without giving me any supplies between them, so I barely had what I needed to survive (I'm looking at you, spore-infested hospital boss fight into mini boss fight into sniper-dodging bridge scene). I was surprised Tommy surprised his being shot in the head by Abby, but I'm glad he did. Every character that I wanted to survive (Ellie, Dina, Abby, and Lev), survived, so I'm happy about that. I feel like there's enough wiggle room for a third game, though I'm not sure how they'd do it. I just get this vague sense that the story doesn't have to be over from where it ended. But if it does end here, I could be satisfied with it, even if it is incredibly bittersweet, though leans more heavily on bitter (in a good way). If I had to give a criticism about the game that I really didn't like, it'd be how often it felt like stealth was kind of just ripped away as an option. It felt like there were more times than not where enemies, alerted or otherwise, were just so tightly backed together that it was impossible to get around them without alerting anyone. And stealth sections would go on for ages, like there was even one time where I'm pretty sure I made slow but steady progress through an area, but it still took me an hour to get through it, even without having to reset, because the group of enemies just would not end no matter how far I went. Like I said, really unforgiving game, even on Normal difficulty. But all in all, I enjoyed it.
In defense for Abby, I don't think she's as bad as everyone says. Yes, she's violent, and brutal, and she killed a character that we the players love. But Abby's not omnipotent. She doesn't KNOW that Joel is a beloved character. She's a character existing in the same world as Joel, and Joel did some really, really shitty things. It's said all throughout the first game, and even alluded to a few times in the sequel, that Joel did horrible, awful things before he met Ellie. And it's the same with Abby. She's done horrible things until she met Lev, and is starting to become a better person thanks to him, just like how Joel started to become a better person thanks to Ellie. The only difference is, we don't actually see those awful acts that Joel did, whereas we saw at least some of the things that Abby had done. But that doesn't change the fact that Joel was an awful person. Why does Joel get to be redeemed and loved despite being a confirmed a-hole, but Abby can't get the same? Why can't she have a future where she gets better? Why do people say Abby deserved to die, whereas Joel deserved to live? You can't have a redemption arc without the character having something to be redeemed from.
I think it just feels too much like a one-way street, and people only say that because we already knew and grew attached to Joel, whereas Abby was a new character that wasn't given a chance. People hated her before the game ever even came out, so she was a doomed character from the start. People didn't WANT to like her because of that one moment. You could talk to me about how she was willing to kill a pregnant Dina, whereas Ellie felt guilt over her killing a pregnant person, but that just goes into the game's themes of why seeking revenge and violence is a bad thing. It shows just how much of a monster that hate and anger and revenge and violence can turn you into. That moment also shows that, in those moments of darkness, you need someone in order to pull you back from the light, like how Lev did for Abby in preventing her from killing Dina, just by simply being there and making her realize what she was doing was wrong.
No, the game forcing you to be violent in order to proceed does not take that message away, because they literally need you to be violent in order for them to show why that violence is wrong. You can't show the consequences of something, without that something happening.
Also, Laura Bailey received deaths threats for her role as Abby. Anyone who sent her death threats over a video game are despicable human beings.
Also, that Rat King fight in the hospital was incredible. It's absolutely the most frightened I felt in either of the two Last of Us games.
All in all, I really love this game. I'd give it an easy 8 out of 10. Not perfect, not amazing. But great.
Well said 👏🏻
I had no idea they use real people to help build and structure the game until I saw a video and I'm even more mesmerized by how those small dots and balls on the suits can do so much and make an amazing outcome like this game.
This game is a masterpiece. I feel bad for those who didn't enjoy it. It's entirely emotionally traumatic and scarring, but that's the point. Everybody wants a happy ending, right? But it doesn't always roll that way. Part of the journey is the end.
When I look at the goal of the game I really like it and I know what they are trying to do but when I experience every little nook and cranny of the game I realize that its execution was just not good enough to fulfill its creative ideas. This is my opinion but I wasn't traumatized or emotionally scarred by this game, I was just disappointed by it because of how much I love the first game. Part of the journey is the end but the most important part of a journey is the journey itself.
Imo it’s only a masterpiece visually, the story is poor, things happen for no reason... Abby doesn’t have a plot, Lev and Yara is convenient, Tommy challenges Ellie’s drive for revenge at the start and encourages it at the end
@Ευαγγελος Ζερβας fuck the people that use death threats but they knew this game was gonna be divisive
@Ευαγγελος Ζερβας I mean naughty dog knew it was divisive
@Ευαγγελος Ζερβας yeah they have balls it took time for me to realise I liked it because when it came out I played the first game just before the second
34:53 "Remember, when you're lost in the darkness, look for the light."
So glad to see a review on this website that is positive! The game really struck a chord with me, and I was surprised by all the backlash. I mean, lots of it was blind hate and vitriol, so I don't place a lot of value in that.
Lot of it is pretty valid though, there are a lot of problems with the story.
@@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099 I really don't like the way that they killed off Joel there's a way to kill off characters and a character that's beloved by the fans is not a way to do it like this because just from a writing point of view it doesn't make any sense people say that oh it's meant to surprise you well yeah it's surprising all right it's surprisingly stupid
@@Riven48 I agree with you man good points.
@@Riven48 yeah it shows y’all wouldn’t know how to write a story lol , can’t hate a game because it’s not the story you wanted
@@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099 nah just blind bigot hate..
I cannot wait to see where this channel goes. Love how you did this game first, despite how this game basically made the entire fanbase split.
The sounds and animations for the weapon upgrades give me ASMR tingles. I really appreciate the dedication they had for those sequences.
i hated it at first but after a few playthroughs and multiple chapter play throughs, i think this is a really good game, i recently played tlous1 again last sunday took me from waking up to going to bed to finish it and it made me appreciate tlous 2 even more
I know it’s been 2 years, but I want another persons opinions on the groups I think exist these days.
1. TLOU2 haters: People who just hate the game. Harass the enjoyers a lot.
2. Middle group: Think the games good, but it has a few issues, many used to be in group 1.
3. Fanboys: People who think the games an AMAZING MASTERPIECE with no faults, harass those who don’t like it (usually don’t like Ghost of Tsushima, weird).
4. TLOU2 enjoyers: People who like the game, and respect the other opinions.
@@JamesJome123umm there’s a lot of idiots that hate the game that harass or mock anyone who simply loves the game. Don’t hide that
@@awesomness36 yeah, meant to put that there too, I’ll edit it
Love the video! I wish you would have talked about Ellie playing Take On Me in the guitar shop. The lyrics for the song really hit me hard the second time I played the game. The line "ill be gone in a day or 2" really has a deeper meaning after you know how Ellie's life ends up.
It genuinely bugs me that this channel has under 10K subscribers, this is such a great idea and you have such a beautiful way of looking at these games. It's refreshing to see someone speak kindly about this game, thank you for giving me new perspectives.
I actually think the ending is a happy one, and here's why. You'll notice that when I Ellie gets back to the house she doesn't hav her weapons, she is wearing different clothes, and she's wearing Dina's bracelet.
This implies that she made it back to Jackson at the very least. The rest, in my opinion, is that she and Dina made up and Ellie went back to the house to grab Joel's stuff. Leaving his stuff behind symbolizes her finally moving on from his death.
My favorite like in this whole video 32:07 “THATS WHAT SPORTS EQUIPMENT FEELS LIKE!”
The whistle at 20:38 made my dog poke his head up 🤣
No idea why any channel like this existed sooner I love and adore this game
Also something worth noting is that the way Joel/Jesse was handled is similar to how gamers were told they'd play Snake in MGS2, and people hated it. Now called one of the greatest games ever.
Also also I feel like the Bear moment was not for Abby, but for how the victims of Ellie's rampage across Seattle had their own connections, people that loved them like Ellie did Joel. And Abby's fear of heights felt like a way to show how human Abby was, she wasn't the fearless, destructive, hateful monster she was framed to be. The zebra situation was one that paralleled and foreshadowed how we see abby, trapped in a bunch of pain, we see her, and we open up to her (in this case, literally for the zebra), and see how the actions of one can have consequences on so many (the zebra being able to be with its child/the lives of the Fireflies being destroyed) but that's my interpretation, a CZcamsr named Wolf of Thorns goes in-depth on this in his own video on it so yeah.
I want them to make a spin off of tlou where it takes place during those 5 years in between and you just spend the time with Joel and in the settlement
and when you interact with his guitar after joels death, she writes in her journal “all the promises at sundown, i meant them like the rest.” That line is in Future Days and it just makes his death 10 times sadder knowing he eventually sang the whole song to her, i have never loved a game relationship more then this, its probably just my daddy issues aswell
I love the line: Because I can make quick or I can make it so much worse
I appreciate how even though it seems you dont love, maybe even dislike some of this game and some of the characters you're able to still get this video done. the "wins" idea is always about finding the best of the topic even through any not great parts.
Excellent job!
Please do the Telltale games! Would absolutely love those!
9:47 yeah sure you did it for us
The Last Of Us Part II has best cinematic narrative (acting, lighting, dialogue writing, mimics, color palette and cinematography), best melee, best TP using weapon, best audio design, best concept design, best atmosphere, best texture (hair, skin, clothes, environment and body...), best character models, best animation (body and mimic), best technique, best musics...
The Last Of Us Part II is so emotional, so deep, so dark, so philosophic and so gut-wrenching masterpiece...
The Last Of Us Part II perfectly conveys the emotions of all the people in the post-apocalyptic universe.
The Last Of Us Part II perfectly explains that anger and revenge are not monotonous, not limited to one person, that these feelings are instinctively present in all living people.
Anger and revenge instinctively exist in every human being, and these emotions are actually like parasites that poison other emotions and feed on them (There is a water reference from the Bible in the finale.
In the Bible, water symbolizes purification from sins and evil and a new life.).
It is a work that perfectly conveys the feelings of anger and revenge to the universe it has created, and perfectly combines the characters and the universe it creates with the feelings of anger and revenge.
It tells tremendously that anyone can take revenge on anyone (very well written enemy npc dialogues), everyone has a revenge story in this post apocalyptic universe (surrounding notes).The Last Of Us Part II explains very well that everyone has loved ones in the post-apocalyptic universe, and in parallel, everyone has feelings of revenge and anger.
A work or an experience is a “unique masterpiece” if it can make you think more than anything else, if it can "improve" you in an incredible way and add different perspectives to you. This work or this experience becomes an incredible product of the mind. And these artifacts are almost nonexistent!
The Last Of Us Part II is one of these works...
The Last Of Us Part II is a masterpiece that is so deep, so emotional, so philosophical, so dark and so heartbreaking!
Narrative + Script = Story...
And The Last Of Us Part II is best masterpiece of eighth generation...
The Last Of Us Part II has a tremendously well-written script and best narrative! And The Last Of Us Part II has a perfect, an incredible story.
And The Last Of Us Part II has best narrative (acting, dialogue writing, lighting, action choreography, mimics, color palette, scene transitions, emotion transfer, vocalizations, altar of character relations, universe design and post-apocalyptic dystopia design...)...
And incredible work...
“The wounds of conscience always leave a scar.”
P. Syrus
So how much of a conscientious act is it to go forward? Choosing to rest your conscience will only bring more unrest and destruction. It is more correct and more beneficial to try to forget and try to prevent the loss of conscience-blood rather than revenge...
Unscrupulousness is one of the important factors that increase grudge and hatred. Injustice and unscrupulousness have a great role in the separation, polarization and deterioration of the ties of society.
I continue with Victor Hugo.
Being good is easy, what is difficult is being just. The most perfect just is conscience..
whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster, if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
This quote by Friedrich Nietzsche is a reminder to measure yourself and be aware of your own thoughts.
In other words, you should always criticize yourself when you enter into a "questioning war" because your life and your own feelings always have plans for you. And the "narrative" of "The Last Of Us Part II" handles this with great mastery.
In addition, The Last Of Us Part II's script is deep, philosophical, dark, emotional and thought-provoking.
A masterpiece that has taken the industry so far and set a new bar.
Again, I will continue with a quote from Friedrich Nietzsche:
“When we are questioned on an unprepared subject, the first thought that comes to our mind is often not our own thought. But it is just a commonplace thought that belongs to our class, position, and ancestry. Self-thoughts rarely surface.”
Time, patience and thinking skills are required for high-level, powerful and philosophical “things” that are actually difficult to understand, difficult to notice. In order to find the real and the essence...
The Last Of Us Part II meaning of life, moral relativism, philosophy of empathy, self-criticism, definition of the concept of human, narrative art, creating a post-apocalyptic universe (dystopia) and blending its philosophy with the people it creates in the post-apocalyptic universe, the meaning of respect, thinking A masterpiece on meaning and emotion transfer. The Last Of Us Part II is the ultimate masterpiece of the eighth generation. And these concepts require “extremely hard thinking”.
Let me end with a final Nietzsche quote:
“The life of the enemy. Whoever lives for the sake of combating an enemy has an interest in the enemy's staying alive.”
Because maybe that person or that thing is not an enemy. It is only the key that will unlock your own conscience and your own feelings...
We cannot talk about good and evil directly, they are related and relative concepts.
Formulating that existing evil was or was not done by a God does not prevent evil from existing. Evil can be tolerated, guided by the will to live. This endurance will be through art, morality and love. Albert Camus attributes his rejection of God to the existence of evil and its abundant and violent experience by humans. According to him, the question we should ask is: Is there evil in this world? Evil, if any, is incompatible with the idea of God. In a divine order, in a world created and ruled by God, the existence of evil is inconceivable. For example, death is an evil and evil inflicts punishment on us. However, “the one who is right is the one who never kills”. This means that he cannot be God. “Either we are not free, and the almighty God is responsible for evil; or we are free and responsible but God is not omnipotent.
According to philosophers, evil harms the bond between people and the state of being human. In my opinion, kindness builds bridges between people, develops bonds and contributes to being human. Kindness is a joy that includes honor, not arrogance. So the fools and the dead are people who do not feel their conscience, do not understand themselves and become numb with this meaninglessness, this is not true peace,
Good people are actually people who have attained peace of mind and prosperity. Their difficult but constructive and strong-willed behaviors show that they trust their own worth and justice. Because the "thing" that is better than being good is conscientious justice, and this is what real goodness and real good person are.
That’s why The Last Of Us Part II is the most unique and emotional roller coaster masterpiece...
Amazingly said and well spoken. Loved to read your comment!
Ah...positivity, I’m glad you didn’t just go the way every you tuber does and needlessly shit on a great game, I loved your take on this game. Subscribed
I wouldn't exactly call it a great game I would just call okay/mediocre
@@tykamen5588 I mean sure, if that’s how you see it, I on the other hand thought it was great.
@@ashina9271 I agree with you
@@ashina9271 i agree with you i love this game
@@hello-ee6xx same
I'm pretty much the minority of people who like Abby. I'm hoping if a DLC comes they do it with her and Lev while maybe putting Ellie in her own side story maybe?
I also like her and especially Lev. He's an amazing character with a lot of potential.
@@mexiko1987 HELL yeah. Makes me wonder if he'll still worship the Seraphite's prophet in the DLC.
@@stitchlover4381 DLC? I thought ND said that it won't give one?
@@mexiko1987 how do you know? Even tho the game COMPLETELY split the fanbase their should be a DLC just like Left Behind.
@@stitchlover4381 I don't know it, but Neil Druckmann said, that it doesn't come a DLC. Today i read, that ND are working on a new Uncharted game and a Remake from the first The last of us. But i don't know if it's true.
20:39 I wasn’t expecting that whistle and arrow I legit jumped.
The reason I watch these is so I can like these games, shows Etc, and it helps me understand these more and I love how these creators take time for this
I feel dumb, im like oh he did a 2 part video and uploaded part 2 first
Same. We're both dumb :)
Half the fanbase: "Oh my God, they killed Joel!"
The other half: "It's a beautiful, dark masterpiece, and we laud them for taking risks."
It's cool and makes sense but I'm sad they killed Joel
People aren’t mad they killed Joel. Their mad about how he died and how he should have died protecting Abby
The “other half” also looks at the first half and goes “did you really think Joel was gonna love through this game???????”
I don't hate the game but I don't like the story/characters either. Joel's death is probably the bottom of reasons why I don't like it.
To me, that mural is the deepest details in the game. It was a genius move to have the painting in there.
26:31 is a really good take on the mural.
What i saw was the zebras and the girafes representing the empathy and "innocence" of Abby and Ellie as they were shown in tlou 1 and 2, like you said on the same day.
And the unfinished landscape with a lion in being the predator drive that will be created in them later on in the story.
It could also be the hatred that is threatening their empathy and innocence.
Pff, what they did there was amazing, and they still let it be an optional detail to watch.
Goes to show how deep and well thought out that game actually is.
“These fuckers just won the lottery”
“Cause they have” is some of the smoothest simple yet effective editing I’ve seen in a CZcams video. Also it’s funny
Love this game, havent played it yet, but love it. I love that not every hero, is good and not every villan is bad. The story tellling is on point, character development on point.
The fact that they made me hate everything about this game just makes me love the game so much
Near the dome, in seattle theres a tank to the left of the building that you can interact with, just a little cool part
A nice little detail I like about this game is that in the subway in Ellie day 1 you can find a bunch of notes about some people meeting a seraphite that joins them on there adventures (?) and then in one of the final notes the seraphite gets infected and when Ellie is passing through the train and it falls and Ellie’s on the ground she gets attacked by a runner that’s suspiciously wearing seraphite clothes
20:18
GOD how did that fucking arrow scare me? 😂
It looked so good it almost broke my PlayStation literally
You can see Gustavo when you’re walking through the street in the beginning
I really appreciate this video so much, this game means a lot to me and it is one of my favorites of all times. The way you were able to have a healthy discourse and pull out the good and bad in something that you didn't personally enjoy, especially initially is incredibly impressive, props to you for that. You did a better job explaining genuine and fair critiques of the game than anyone else I've seen as I could tell it wasn't from a place if rage and disappointment but from a place of genuine desire to see this story improve. Thank you for this.
You’re gonna make me cry because for the longest i’ve heard nothing but “Why were you so hard on abby and blah blah”. And i agree I was to hard on her. But the way you understand where I was coming from really hits me. Because I’m not perfect and wish i was more objective. But this might be my most honest video i’ve made.
@@GamingWins You were mad, I was mad. We got to be mad and mourn Joel's death. But we've had time to get the whole visual. And understand, I think I'll always be mad at Abby, but I understand her and why she did it. I'm personally more mad at Ellie. This was a great video, I could tell you were still mad at Abby, but you still handled it well, good job and good video!
Dunkey says it best: you remember everything about this game for a long time after playing it unlike most other games we play, and everyone is non stop talking about it unlike other games - true masterpiece that has a huge affect on players
People still talk about the holocaust,doesn't mean it was a good thing.
@@SorinPetre-ir1wf no one liked ur comment just delete it
I love Joel, I just love him, I don’t care about him being a bad person or whatever all of that I just love his damn character.
I think oftentimes people forget the artistry that goes into video games, and that as much as they’re meant to tell a story, they’re also meant to speak to you or send a message.
Dude I’ve just started watching your channel( I also left a comment on left behind and tlou greatness) but your work is fuckin awesome I’ve enjoyed your opinions heavily and your editing style is great and you really made me think about games from different perspectives great work 😊❤
The shock moments were awesome, no one thought they would kill Joel in such a pathetic way and it's why it made it so perfectly
This game made me feel emotions I dint even know existed. This game mentally and physically killed my soul. On one hand I love Joel and didn’t want him to die but on the other hand I hated him and sided with Abby.
This game really did deserved the “Game Of The Year” it’s a emotional masterpiece that messes with you in so many different ways.
(Manny’s death was the most satisfying thing ever. No one liked manny lmao)
super agreed with you, i never felt bad for any of Abby’s friends deaths except for Owen but by far my favorite day of Ellie’s journey is Day 2, really makes you realize the person ellie became
Manny made SOME funny jokes but was an overall douchebag. I hated when he spat at Joel when he died. Also knowing that tommy was the one who killed him was so satisfying
No Abby should of die and this game is garbage
I played this game for the first time at the start of the year and didn't finish it until a few days ago, i literally played in two halves i stopped playing about an hour before the abby switch and i think i had a better experience for it, watching this now i see more of why people were indifferent to it but i wont lie i enjoyed the story didn't really like abby but the characters around her were great
Awesome, awesome video. Thank you for making these. It truly is so much harder to find the good in art when we can so easily make it negative. When we actually come into things trying to understand why artists make the choices they do, we feel a much greater sense of satisfaction then critiquing and getting upset. For me this game is one of the best pieces of art I've ever experienced. And I don't really ever want to play it again. It was just..., so much to take in, and that's ok. So well done!
Ended up loving abbie after wanting to end her so much when the game first started ...... that's amazing story writing.
Yeah, but I just can’t explain the pure catharsis of letting Ellie win in the theater fight, as well as beating her in the final fight, glad she’s not dead, but it’s just cathartic.