I think the Cayenne is the only real upgrade from a RR. The X5M is good if you want to go hella fast. But you lose big time on offroad capability. The Cayenne is a bit better for offroad than the x5 I feel, but still pales in comparison to RR offroad.
Went on a similar journey. Over the last 12 years we went from X5 to X3 to X5 to Q5 to X5 to a 2019 RR Sport Autobiography. We also got a Cayenne which went for an Etron S. Ultimately, the RR went and the Etron went. We’re back in X5s. I took delivery of a F95 LCI and my wife took delivery of X5 M60i. Dollar for dollar the X5 is a great package. The M60i can be fitted with air suspension and has the S68 engine. We ultimately got rid of the RR, purchased new, because the reliability was not good, the infotainment and rear seat entertainment was laggy and worked inconsistently, and it rode like a truck as you described. The ride is rather unsophisticated. Unless you’re going off road, there are better options. The RR is not more luxurious than the X5 top trim to top trim. The RR leather is a little nicer, overall vehicle is more sturdy by design. But if you’re an enthusiast that enjoys driving, towing is a use case, and occasionally going on a trail get the X5 or the Cayenne. Between the two, it comes down to brand identity and which do you identify with more. The new M60i is nice and much cheaper compared to the equivalent turbo and offers a bit more utility compared to the F95. The F95 is just a sports car in SUV guise. There is no option for an air suspension. If that’s important get the M60i or the Cayenne turbo. Looking at your choice of vehicles and that you’re an enthusiast, I think you’ll be much happier with the Cayenne or one of the V8 X5s. Value for money, the X5 is the better package. Just my two cents from experience.
Thank you so much for your thorough reply. The M60i could be the best of both worlds like you mentioned since you get the S68 but it won’t be as harsh as the M. Perhaps I should sell the Range Rover will it’s still performing at its best before the problems start. It sounds like it will break at some point. You’re right though, as an enthusiast I should’ve went for an enthusiast model.
I have been researching performance SUVs for about a year now and in part decided on X5M due to your videos on the 2016. I will be buying 2016-2017 X5M with 50k-70k miles next month and will be paying cash no payment. I have been torn between M3 & X5M, but decided going from driving F250 and other SUVs i dont want to be low and little in a car anymore as ive had 3 3xx BMWs in the past and loved them. I drive a moderately modded F250 now and love the hp & tq, bit just dont need a diesel anymore and have wanted X5M since they came iut in 2010. Now its the time to get a $100k + SUV for $30-$40k. Great videos and ill be watching no matter what you get !!
I've owned them all too. X5M definitely my favorite but I feel the depreciation every time I drive. Perhaps we are trying to get from a car what only a woman can provide. I have settled for a Lexus GX and use my mountain bike for my excitement.
As a guy with multiple vehicles I understand your appetite well to have multiple cars that serve multiple roles rather than cars that are redundant….i have an X5 Competition 2024 and truth be told the Range Rover you have is really similar with only slight differences….if it were me I would keep the Range Rover and trade out something else for a truck like the TRX…which I also have…then you will have more variation…all the sports SUV’s are extremely similar to me it’s not worth the trade in loss for another vehicle with minor differences and a different badge
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to state that ALL the cars you currently own are money draining propositions homey, especially if you're also going getting a bank loan to make matters worse. So being a car enthusiast, you're choosing to simply feed the addiction by blowing money on things that give you joy. I'd personally dump the now old gen RRS for a new X5M before they hybridize the drivetrain. Buying a used Cayenne Turbo is lame. Just like the RRS, all these luxury toys are only cool when you buy the latest & greatest. Go big or stay home. CZcams metrics say so. lol
Don’t do this. Buying new is about the dumbest thing you can do - even if you think it will hold its value because of hybridization or whatever. The last few years are an anomaly so don’t count on values that way. Buying used after the depreciation curve has taken its violent drop is the only way for enthusiasts to buy and sell frequently. Yes this an expensive hobby but you can manage the financial hit with diligent buying techniques and selling private party. Always buy the best trim which will command higher sale values private party. Agree Eddie that it seems you may have too many of these toys :) just get a daily (X5M) and a track car (911).
Of course. I’d had a lot more money in my pocket had it not be for these cars! I’m glad I’m in a position to afford them but then I have this constant itch to try something different and if money wasn’t an option and I had the space, I’d keep them all. I see you’re point also with CZcams want to see the latest and greatest but if I put all my eggs in one basket what happens whenever Easter is over and everybody moving on to the next holiday? I’d be left holding the basket. Haha!
That’s exactly my strategy. Only the large successful CZcamsrs can afford to pump and dump these cars like day traders but unfortunately, I’m still relying on my full time job to fund this until my channel takes off. I do exactly what you’re saying by getting the cars right after depreciation so I don’t take a loss if any after 2 years. Part of me is thinking 911 GTS and Cayenne Turbo!
what about jeep SRT or Trackhawk? i have own Jeep SRT as rental car and many customers love that car so much and always coming back and rent again. Maybe my suggestion Jeep SRT with supercharged kit up to 560 or 600 HP or buy trackhawk
I thought those would be fun but they are expected. Trackhawk is still commanding higher prices than the Cayenne for less luxury and higher mileage which is surprising.
@@eddiemcars thats true, but the value keep strong high and less depreciation, at cayenne i dont know how at new models but the older models has very high depreciation. what about new BMW XM?
Just drove both the X5 and a Range Rover Sport HSE Dynamic…it was a close one but couldn’t pass on the Range Rover…I’m an outdoor type so I know the RRS has more capability off-road and looks nicer
I got my F85 x5m and three of my friends got the RRS 5.0（two autobiography and one supercharged）. I always likes to ride in their cars，but they always like to drive mine. Only thing in the same class that can compare with a x5m is the Caynne v8s. I have never driven the turbo，but did try the Caynne GTS，it handles great in a completely different way comparing to the x5m.
That’s it! I’m an enthusiast and perhaps that’s the missing puzzle piece. It has the sound, the power, the luxury, the versatility but I’m not totally in love with it either.
@@eddiemcars exactly! Eddie it’s the exhilaration, the driving dynamics !! Bmw has a chokehold on car enthusiast. That’s why it is the ultimate driving machine , because the company is full of enthusiast that’s why the car drives like it does. Audi has a lot of enthusiast, but they spend their money on Porsche more so than Audi imo to give you that ultimate experience. It’s either, or for me. BMW or Porsche/ Lamborghini , And to be honest, I don’t see you having a Corvette long.
As far as what your next vehicle should be, just surprise us. There is a reason that you haven’t made much content on this vehicle. You don’t like it enough. You can’t force yourself to or it would not be authentic and that’s not your style. I would like to see you get rid of it. Maybe put it on cars and bids with a minimum bid that you can afford to sell it for. Let Doug sell it for you he’s really good at it.
I'd go by the SQ7 route just because there is more aftermarket support and there are plenty of shops that support repair work for lower labour costs compared to the available competition in N.America or wait and hold onto it since you put some money on it.You buy a truck, best consider the possibility of catalytic converter being stolen (or the entireity of the vehicle). Simply do some thinking before you get rid of it - Patience is a virture....
Perhaps sell the RR and the C8 and try out a Porsche GT3 with PDK, it'll hold its value and perhaps it's time you tried a true performance car, I think you'd properly love and it would be a great automotive escape considering you work so much.
Have you ever considered the Audi RSQ8？ Should be a Caynne turbo price，but you are really getting an Audi Caynne turbo GT. Keep in mind it was the fastest suv around Nuburgring before the Turbo GT（basically a porsche tuned RSQ8）
Or maybe a new Ford Ranger Raptor V6, your money will be safe in because it's new and desirable and since it's a truck it'll be different in your garage and you can put you family in it whilst having fun and it has a new infotainment system I think it's a win win and something to look, atleast go for a testdrive, its not that big, its actually quite manageable great power, great looks, fancy suspension for going baja jumping😅, and great sound.
I had a 2016 Cayenne Turbo for 3 years. It's nothing. I had a Range Rover Sport for 1 year, so unreliable but loved it so much. If you are so obsessed with the Cayenne Turbo, just go rent one for a couple of days.
Those Mercedes AMGs, all of them never appeal to me either. I absolutely have no idea why. Maserati never does too. I only lean towards bmw,porshe,r rovers
Man, I always wanted a RR, until I got my X5 and Porsche. RR has lost its luster. Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the Cayenne styling though Porsche quality is top notch so you can't go wrong.
I would recommend holding for a bit and test drive all these different models back to back until you are very confident in your choice. You do not seem convinced in the video and that tells me you need more time.
I have. We rented an X7 40i last summer for a few days and it accommodated our entire family nicely but I felt it was too big for us on a daily basis. More room than we’ll ever need! It’s not completely off the radar though!
CAYENNE TURBO... drive one and your life will change, plus porsche cayenne has been used as a overland vehicle, check the older porsche cayennes they do great offroad
I remember when the cayenne first came out it was going off road. I know it’s a capable vehicle too with on road being first priority. The particular Cayenne Turbo I was looking at was a 2019 and it had the off road package with skid plates
Go back to your roots X5M. LR are "great" for going to the Ball or being an Uber drive, but they not sporty at all. Its not the "ultimate Driving machine". Porsche or BMW ?
My gut also says to stay with the BMW brand. My channel was built on it and my subscribers are BMW enthusiasts like myself. I thought I would use the LR for more adventure and stuff but apparently not so it feels like a waste.
lol This is becoming increasingly evident. I test drove the SVR and I wasn’t as impressed as I wanted. It didn’t seem to sound for feel much faster than the supercharged dynamic. I’lll think about it though
Have you considered replacing the RRS with a Grenadier? It’s still a BMW powertrain but it’s likely a bit better off-road due to the love axles + it’s more comfortable than other off-roaders. The RRS is the king of traction control. But why use it if you know coming back is a 50/50 affair? Greasier might fit that particular role better. So that can leave you with the X5 & the Porsche as city driving performance wheels to balance it out.
I think the Cayenne is the only real upgrade from a RR. The X5M is good if you want to go hella fast. But you lose big time on offroad capability. The Cayenne is a bit better for offroad than the x5 I feel, but still pales in comparison to RR offroad.
Went on a similar journey. Over the last 12 years we went from X5 to X3 to X5 to Q5 to X5 to a 2019 RR Sport Autobiography. We also got a Cayenne which went for an Etron S. Ultimately, the RR went and the Etron went. We’re back in X5s. I took delivery of a F95 LCI and my wife took delivery of X5 M60i. Dollar for dollar the X5 is a great package. The M60i can be fitted with air suspension and has the S68 engine. We ultimately got rid of the RR, purchased new, because the reliability was not good, the infotainment and rear seat entertainment was laggy and worked inconsistently, and it rode like a truck as you described. The ride is rather unsophisticated. Unless you’re going off road, there are better options. The RR is not more luxurious than the X5 top trim to top trim. The RR leather is a little nicer, overall vehicle is more sturdy by design. But if you’re an enthusiast that enjoys driving, towing is a use case, and occasionally going on a trail get the X5 or the Cayenne. Between the two, it comes down to brand identity and which do you identify with more. The new M60i is nice and much cheaper compared to the equivalent turbo and offers a bit more utility compared to the F95. The F95 is just a sports car in SUV guise. There is no option for an air suspension. If that’s important get the M60i or the Cayenne turbo. Looking at your choice of vehicles and that you’re an enthusiast, I think you’ll be much happier with the Cayenne or one of the V8 X5s. Value for money, the X5 is the better package. Just my two cents from experience.
Thank you so much for your thorough reply. The M60i could be the best of both worlds like you mentioned since you get the S68 but it won’t be as harsh as the M. Perhaps I should sell the Range Rover will it’s still performing at its best before the problems start. It sounds like it will break at some point. You’re right though, as an enthusiast I should’ve went for an enthusiast model.
How are you liking the new OS in the M60I??? I just got a 2020 M50I and can’t see getting rid of it.
It’s really good and very intuitive. As with most modern BMWs, it’s highly configurable. Once set up for your preferences and usage, it’s great.
I have been researching performance SUVs for about a year now and in part decided on X5M due to your videos on the 2016. I will be buying 2016-2017 X5M with 50k-70k miles next month and will be paying cash no payment. I have been torn between M3 & X5M, but decided going from driving F250 and other SUVs i dont want to be low and little in a car anymore as ive had 3 3xx BMWs in the past and loved them. I drive a moderately modded F250 now and love the hp & tq, bit just dont need a diesel anymore and have wanted X5M since they came iut in 2010. Now its the time to get a $100k + SUV for $30-$40k.
Great videos and ill be watching no matter what you get !!
I've owned them all too. X5M definitely my favorite but I feel the depreciation every time I drive. Perhaps we are trying to get from a car what only a woman can provide. I have settled for a Lexus GX and use my mountain bike for my excitement.
Keep it. Cayenne and others are great, but the Range Rover is the best all around package. Only car that completes is G63 imo
I agree! The Range Rover is a good all around option but I feel like it’s missing something.
@@eddiemcarshave you ever considered SVR?
As a guy with multiple vehicles I understand your appetite well to have multiple cars that serve multiple roles rather than cars that are redundant….i have an X5 Competition 2024 and truth be told the Range Rover you have is really similar with only slight differences….if it were me I would keep the Range Rover and trade out something else for a truck like the TRX…which I also have…then you will have more variation…all the sports SUV’s are extremely similar to me it’s not worth the trade in loss for another vehicle with minor differences and a different badge
Would keep the Ranger Rover Sport you have personally. Give the RRS more time.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to state that ALL the cars you currently own are money draining propositions homey, especially if you're also going getting a bank loan to make matters worse. So being a car enthusiast, you're choosing to simply feed the addiction by blowing money on things that give you joy. I'd personally dump the now old gen RRS for a new X5M before they hybridize the drivetrain. Buying a used Cayenne Turbo is lame. Just like the RRS, all these luxury toys are only cool when you buy the latest & greatest. Go big or stay home. CZcams metrics say so. lol
Don’t do this. Buying new is about the dumbest thing you can do - even if you think it will hold its value because of hybridization or whatever. The last few years are an anomaly so don’t count on values that way. Buying used after the depreciation curve has taken its violent drop is the only way for enthusiasts to buy and sell frequently. Yes this an expensive hobby but you can manage the financial hit with diligent buying techniques and selling private party. Always buy the best trim which will command higher sale values private party.
Agree Eddie that it seems you may have too many of these toys :) just get a daily (X5M) and a track car (911).
Of course. I’d had a lot more money in my pocket had it not be for these cars! I’m glad I’m in a position to afford them but then I have this constant itch to try something different and if money wasn’t an option and I had the space, I’d keep them all. I see you’re point also with CZcams want to see the latest and greatest but if I put all my eggs in one basket what happens whenever Easter is over and everybody moving on to the next holiday? I’d be left holding the basket. Haha!
That’s exactly my strategy. Only the large successful CZcamsrs can afford to pump and dump these cars like day traders but unfortunately, I’m still relying on my full time job to fund this until my channel takes off. I do exactly what you’re saying by getting the cars right after depreciation so I don’t take a loss if any after 2 years.
Part of me is thinking 911 GTS and Cayenne Turbo!
If you can afford it and it’s what you want then you do u.👍
what about jeep SRT or Trackhawk? i have own Jeep SRT as rental car and many customers love that car so much and always coming back and rent again. Maybe my suggestion Jeep SRT with supercharged kit up to 560 or 600 HP or buy trackhawk
I thought those would be fun but they are expected. Trackhawk is still commanding higher prices than the Cayenne for less luxury and higher mileage which is surprising.
@@eddiemcars thats true, but the value keep strong high and less depreciation, at cayenne i dont know how at new models but the older models has very high depreciation.
what about new BMW XM?
Just drove both the X5 and a Range Rover Sport HSE Dynamic…it was a close one but couldn’t pass on the Range Rover…I’m an outdoor type so I know the RRS has more capability off-road and looks nicer
I got my F85 x5m and three of my friends got the RRS 5.0（two autobiography and one supercharged）. I always likes to ride in their cars，but they always like to drive mine. Only thing in the same class that can compare with a x5m is the Caynne v8s. I have never driven the turbo，but did try the Caynne GTS，it handles great in a completely different way comparing to the x5m.
X5M60 or x5MC..I wasn’t in love with the suv when u got it! U are not a Range Rover guy, you are a car enthusiast. If not BMW get a Porsche turbo!
That’s it! I’m an enthusiast and perhaps that’s the missing puzzle piece. It has the sound, the power, the luxury, the versatility but I’m not totally in love with it either.
@@eddiemcars exactly! Eddie it’s the exhilaration, the driving dynamics !! Bmw has a chokehold on car enthusiast. That’s why it is the ultimate driving machine , because the company is full of enthusiast that’s why the car drives like it does. Audi has a lot of enthusiast, but they spend their money on Porsche more so than Audi imo to give you that ultimate experience. It’s either, or for me. BMW or Porsche/ Lamborghini , And to be honest, I don’t see you having a Corvette long.
Get another X5M. I’ve driven all the competitors and the Cayenne GTS is the only one close to an X5M
As far as what your next vehicle should be, just surprise us. There is a reason that you haven’t made much content on this vehicle. You don’t like it enough. You can’t force yourself to or it would not be authentic and that’s not your style. I would like to see you get rid of it. Maybe put it on cars and bids with a minimum bid that you can afford to sell it for. Let Doug sell it for you he’s really good at it.
That’s a great thought! See what happens on cars and bids and take my time!
I'd go by the SQ7 route just because there is more aftermarket support and there are plenty of shops that support repair work for lower labour costs compared to the available competition in N.America or wait and hold onto it since you put some money on it.You buy a truck, best consider the possibility of catalytic converter being stolen (or the entireity of the vehicle). Simply do some thinking before you get rid of it - Patience is a virture....
You will miss the range rover, and you bet on going for offroad with it, we want to see that too
Perhaps sell the RR and the C8 and try out a Porsche GT3 with PDK, it'll hold its value and perhaps it's time you tried a true performance car, I think you'd properly love and it would be a great automotive escape considering you work so much.
Have you ever considered the Audi RSQ8？ Should be a Caynne turbo price，but you are really getting an Audi Caynne turbo GT. Keep in mind it was the fastest suv around Nuburgring before the Turbo GT（basically a porsche tuned RSQ8）
Or maybe a new Ford Ranger Raptor V6, your money will be safe in because it's new and desirable and since it's a truck it'll be different in your garage and you can put you family in it whilst having fun and it has a new infotainment system I think it's a win win and something to look, atleast go for a testdrive, its not that big, its actually quite manageable great power, great looks, fancy suspension for going baja jumping😅, and great sound.
Get the older Porsche Cayenne GTS like 2013-2016 and do work on it if needed, so many owners out there would love to see that model being worked on.
Hell no that’s lame
I would get the cayenne. The x5m is cool but the air suspension is the deal breaker. Get the m60i if you really want the bmw
I had a 2016 Cayenne Turbo for 3 years. It's nothing. I had a Range Rover Sport for 1 year, so unreliable but loved it so much. If you are so obsessed with the Cayenne Turbo, just go rent one for a couple of days.
Those Mercedes AMGs, all of them never appeal to me either. I absolutely have no idea why. Maserati never does too. I only lean towards bmw,porshe,r rovers
Voting you try the Range Rover Sport SVR? :-)
Keep the rover, I’ve gotten rid of 2 or 3 in same time period of following you and I love the bimmer but some days want to chill in the rover
Man, I always wanted a RR, until I got my X5 and Porsche. RR has lost its luster. Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the Cayenne styling though Porsche quality is top notch so you can't go wrong.
Don't sell it. That is an awesome ride, better. Leg room. I think better for family as well
Easy solution E63S Wagon
Porsche Cayenne! you don't have to go twin turbo since it's for the family and I would love to know the reliability because I want one 😍
I would recommend holding for a bit and test drive all these different models back to back until you are very confident in your choice. You do not seem convinced in the video and that tells me you need more time.
If there's any potential for floods or bad weather in your area keep the rover.
Have you thought about x7 m50/60? It would fit your needs of being spacious, comfortable, fast without the harshness of a full on M.
I have. We rented an X7 40i last summer for a few days and it accommodated our entire family nicely but I felt it was too big for us on a daily basis. More room than we’ll ever need! It’s not completely off the radar though!
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Get the cayenne! I have the 1st generation 05 turbo and I love it!
Any car you get you going to get it and sale it within a year so do what you want to do
CAYENNE TURBO... drive one and your life will change, plus porsche cayenne has been used as a overland vehicle, check the older porsche cayennes they do great offroad
I remember when the cayenne first came out it was going off road. I know it’s a capable vehicle too with on road being first priority. The particular Cayenne Turbo I was looking at was a 2019 and it had the off road package with skid plates
Yes, sell that thing, and get back in an X5 M
Yup
Add another vote for another X5M!
BMW X5M!
You and I would be good friends if neighbors. :-)
Selling X5 for unreliable Rr its wasting of money …
After this Crypto Bullrun I'll be in the market for a Range Rover Sport I fkn love them don't sell it :D
Man slow down!!! U just got a new one ☝️
Mercedes doesn’t appeal to me either
Gice it away to the first comment poster :)
Congrats!
Go back to your roots X5M. LR are "great" for going to the Ball or being an Uber drive, but they not sporty at all. Its not the "ultimate Driving machine". Porsche or BMW ?
My gut also says to stay with the BMW brand. My channel was built on it and my subscribers are BMW enthusiasts like myself. I thought I would use the LR for more adventure and stuff but apparently not so it feels like a waste.
@@eddiemcars For what its worth. Your vid on changing out Plugs on the F85 helped me out alot!
@Eddie M Cars - Would you consider a 2024 Land Rover Defender P525 V8?
Sell it. Porsche Cayenne Turbo is the way to go.
Landrover is a bit trustworthy, if you handle Land Rover en respect then 😂
I way rather have a BMW than a Range.
Get a lex call it a day
Go Porsche!!!
You need therapy. Get rid of the damn thing and get a SVR; it is a great marriage of the RR Sport and X5M.
lol This is becoming increasingly evident.
I test drove the SVR and I wasn’t as impressed as I wanted. It didn’t seem to sound for feel much faster than the supercharged dynamic. I’lll think about it though
I have a X5M and am negotiating a SVR. It feels right for me.@@eddiemcars
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Get a Ram 3500 Mega cab diesel. You obviously don't need another sports oriented car. Try something completely different
I’ve thought about it. Getting a truck and doing the large 37’s or 40” tires. Lift kit etc
These are first world issues. 😂 don’t you know it
Yep! I’ve been thinking of going back to a 90’s Camry to recalibrate my brain 😂
Have you considered replacing the RRS with a Grenadier? It’s still a BMW powertrain but it’s likely a bit better off-road due to the love axles + it’s more comfortable than other off-roaders.
The RRS is the king of traction control. But why use it if you know coming back is a 50/50 affair? Greasier might fit that particular role better.
So that can leave you with the X5 & the Porsche as city driving performance wheels to balance it out.
Absolutely X5