The FIFTY - Bonus Ep - How to Plan a Ski Traverse
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- Undertaking the Bugs to Rogers Traverse is a daunting challenge. Planning, mapping and strategizing before you ever step foot on the traverse is a big part of the challenge. Here is a video guide to not only some of the specifics of the Bugs to Rogers Traverse itself, but how to use digital mapping technology to help make your plans more efficient, safer and ultimately more fun. Additionally, questions from the Bugs to Rogers episodes are answered alongside some can't miss details if you ever decide to embark on the traverse yourself.
This is Bonus Episode of The FIFTY, about the Bugs to Rogers Traverse series.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
01:00 - Disclaimers
03:14 - 1st Key Thing
06:40 - Studying Maps
09:48 - Food & Fuel Quantity
14:14 - Where to Camp
18:17 - Offline Maps
18:40 - Q & A
25:04 - 6 Key Things on the Bugs to Rogers Traverse - Sport
The Bugs RP is superb, but definitely difficult. From 2000-2010 our group from Colorado did a half-dozen much shorter traverses in the general area (Monashees, Rockies, Selkirks), where we took two nights at each camp so we could ski the local terrain. These traverses covered much less distance (20-30 miles, no cache needed) but the rest days made it more pleasant than the stressful long traverses where the pressure to cover ground is intense. One real joy was when we finished the traverse at one of the famous lodges (Fairy Meadows, Sorcerer, Battle Abbey) and then spent a relaxing second week at the lodge.
Really dig the behind the scenes prep and planning. Good stuff.
Cody, sweet video and amazing series! Would love to see a bonus episode on snow camping/camping on a tour. I know you have a vast knowledge on the subject and would love to learn some more tricks.
The Bugs2RP EP is very cool, but the entire Fifty Project (and book) represents a large body of work in the ski community. The sum of each episode contains amazing cinematography, contributing a ton of useful knowledge that I suspect will age very well over time. Inspiring me to begin my own project - "The Sixty Project" - my age :--) Oh, and don't stop putting these out ....
Love your wife’s trophies in the background, nice touch whilst talking about this planning!
Cody, I really, really enjoyed this mini-series on the Bugs to Rogers Traverse. I backpacked part of that route in the early 1970’s, and the scenery was spectacular. Seeing it in winter brought back some cool memories! My wife and I are planning a vacation in that area for next July, now I’m thinking I may have to revisit this area for one of our overnight trips rather than the other hikes I am considering. Looking forward to the next installment!
That is awesome! Thank you James.
Stoked you are coming around to the awe of traverses Cody. Something about being out there moving efficiently through big terrain under your own power makes me feel the most in touch with the natural environment that I have ever experienced.
Can’t get enough of these. Thanks
Thank you! I loved this series. ❤
That part about the skin track being wiped out by a slide in the "Witches Cauldron" is terrifying. Glad you guys made it through safe.
I don't even ski but I loved the content. Wow wish I had learned to ski raised in the Poconos a long time ago.
I dont ever plan on doing a traverse. However I will still watch this whole entire video because I love the way you make videos! (Unless it’s that episode of you filming instead of Bjorne 😂)
Love the bonus episodes! Would like to see more on how you use your phone/maps while out in the field.
Hunker down for some cozy-storm-Cody time!
Great bonus episode.
Really interesting to delve into the detail of planning these trips, especially seeing the apps/websites/maps that are available for research and mapping. And also seeing professionals admit where they may have made mistakes, and should have considered other options. Nice work, team
Cody, thanks for sharing 🎉🎉
Enjoyed following along as you broke down the process. Thanks for putting this together!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. Thanks for your traverse videos of Bugs to Rogers and this bonus episode. Very informative. Very helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Cody, watch BUGS to ROGERS series prior to and during our 24th Annual Christmas Family Ski Trip, this was our Year 2 at REVY. You and Bjarne have stoked the fire to get out of the North Bowl and into the backcountry around Rogers. This Bonus Episode was brilliant! Thank you for the nudge and the motivation. Have watch from the beginning and you guys continue to KILL IT!
Thanks for the background info. Wondered what you did with the cache-crates.
Depositing those caches via 2-stroke snowmobile instead probably would have produced more carbon vs. the helo.
Thank you! I may never do a ski traverse in my life, but this was all very good information.
Glad it was helpful!
Watching in New Zealand. Great video to explain the route and decisions made. When I watch your videos I look at the us/can topo maps to try to work out your routes.
Oh that's rad! Love it.
Cody and Barnje, love the Fifties Project!!!, I personally love adventures, have done some in my live but like most people not as many as I would have liked too. So your series, gives me at 66 years old the ability to “adventure” vicariously through you guys!! Thank you so much!!! Dave
Thank you Dave!
Some really good information on trip planning on this one, Cody.The cabin stay looked awesome. Also good to clarify on leaving no trace, although you did mention it in the series.
Glad it was helpful
Man, that’s so good. Great and informative vid. Also well done on the traverse. Looked ace.
Apologies for the question-what boots did you use? Didn’t see them listed. Thanks man.
great bonus episode on what you guys put into planning something like this. Would love to hear from the FKT guys about what their planning was like. I cannot believe there are not more comments about how fast 44 hours is. You guys seemed like you were covering some good ground... those guys had to be running
#1: I don't know what you sounded like earlier in your recovery, but that sounded like progress. Keep working with that guy, he seems to know what's up.
#2: Liners - Agreed. The sleep with your boot liners trick is really only good to keep them from freezing solid, not drying them. Put them in a trash bag to keep them from getting everything else wet if you are going to sleep with them on longer trips, and put down booties on your feet. Bonus: The down booties won't freeze to the ground (as fast) when you need to go pee.
(Seriously, if you need to know about cold discomfort try putting on a half-frozen damp wet suit outside on the middle of the winter. Cold ski boots are much less likely to kill you.)
I will not spend a night in the backcountry without down booties. They're the best invention ever I think.
Nice planning video!
I love it when pros are so critical on their own mistakes, because they might've been fine, but by taking time to explain your mistakes, you probably saved somebodies lives down the line. Thanks Cody!
If you don't recognize your own mistakes, then you're going to be making more of them. It's critical in backcountry skiing to honestly evaluate every decision you made and how you could've done them better. On that last day, while we got away with it, I know that just getting away with it was a massive mistake, so I wanted to share that for the benefit of others.
Very informative I appreciate!
My original comment about the clothing color more applies to shots up close. When I shoot my hiking videos I'll often ask my friends to wear certain colors on camera as they look better but I get it you don't have that flexibility when the sponsor is picking the clothes. You are completely right from far, like the view from a helicopter, they are basically just seeing a shadow.
Great stuff!
Back in the day we just had topography maps and good sense , pluse good luck didn't hurt.
Great content. Just started using ONX today, so this was a nice tutorial. As always, kudos for your honesty in identifying potential mistakes…that’s how we all learn.
Glad it was helpful!
Just another small note about caches, putting them high also has the benefit of reducing the number of critters around.
Nice!
Shout out to There is no Planet B by Mike Berners-Lee
Get a wilding patch on the go, plant some trees, do what you can with what you've got, wherever you are and whoever you are. Skiers, boarders, climbers, plumbers, soccer moms - we're all custodians.
There are not just people not born yet relying on us, but we each can bestow the gift of a planet that is the rarest thing we will ever know. The value of that gift will be proportional to what we each contribute to make the World a better place. Cheers.
Piz Buin Glacier Creme: I have 2 tins for you, where shall I ship it?
I am part of a group doing a 5 day traverse in Switzerland in Mar. So great timing for Cody, I can only assume you did that for me!! Can I request a vid about your tent set up & cooking equipment (inc weight). As for boot-inners in your "magot, no thanks. As for wet socks under your armpit, yes please!!
I want to work on a video like that. We will see though because it would be a lot of work. Anyways, good luck on the traverse! Euro traverses are so awesome because of the hut system.
This was great but I still want to know -- how were the brand new boots? Assuming since they weren't featured as a crux they were good, but still a bold move!
Hi! To dry your ski boot liners when winter camping: bring two 500 ml (or one) water bottles (Nalgene) and fill them with boiling water. Drop in liners and wait for convection to dry your liners. You can drink the water when the liners are dry. A little fuel, no water waste, and no swamp foot!
I’ve said this in other places, bring all your water to a boil is a large use of fuel, when you’re on a traverse with limited fuel, that is a massive waste of fuel that could be better used for food and hydration.
Congrats on bagging this one! It's insane!
Question, if you don't mind... How long do you keep ski boots around for before considering them worn out? (Besides soles) Like tech inserts, or any other factor you look at?
It totally depends on materials and construction and personal preference but 5 years is about average replacement window. I still am using one pair of boots that are 5 years old. But I also notice boots can change within a few months of use sometimes. In my high performance downhill days I’d go thru two pair in a year. These days i usually get two years outta one pair.
OnX is also awesome for hunting
Thanks Cody
very imformative and helpfull as usual
Question :I presume every party member has their own device with a map
Do you take a very small paper backup in case of battery flattening?
Advantage of Wearing beige clothing is at least you can get mistaken for a YETI
Yup! I make sure at least two people have the maps and tracks downloaded. We also brought paper maps as backups incase everything electronic failed.
Those light beige colors can be a life saver on those occasional warm spring days! Learned that lesson the hard way traversing the Selkirks. Now I always carry at least one light colored layer to wear on those kinds of days.
Awesome content as always!
How do you manage batteries (cellphones, cameras, GoPros) on a multi day traverse?
Stay safe!
We use a small solar panel and battery. It was often attached to the outside of my pack while walking to charge. We mainly only had to recharge phones for navigation and messaging purposes. For camera batteries, we just bring a shit ton of them!
Outstanding briefing! Thank you for answering the questions regarding the caches, and for discussing in detail the "Witches' Cauldron" situation. I will be that guy, however, and state for the record that bright colored kit can save lives. I can cite examples.
Great overview. A question came to mind around your smartphone and avy beacon.
Q: What is your method of accessing offline maps while avoiding interference with your beacon? Do you only pull out your phone while stationary in a safe zone (i.e. low risk), keeping the screen off and storing your phone far from the beacon at all other times? Do you ever start recording/GPS tracking to view your track when you get home? Or is your phone simply for offline map referencing as you progress?
Keeping your phone off and in your pack is the safest way to avoid interference, but that doesn't seem very practical on adventures where you need navigation in hand.
Thanks!
General rule of thumb is to store your phone 30-50cm away from your beacon to avoid interference. My phone goes in my lowest left pocket, my beacon on the right side of my torso. I wouldn't worry about interference while the phone is in your hand simply because the interference is only is search scenarios and if I was in an avalanche with my phone in my hand...well that phone is probably gonzo. Oh and yeah, phone is in airplane mode in the backcountry and the maps are offline.
Ya dude, I really enjoyed the series in a series.
Thanks Slimdog
"as if its a trick I dont know". thank you.
Hello. Did you take paper copies of the maps (as backup in case you had problems with phones)?
We did. They were our "oh shit" back ups.
How useful is onX in Europe? The website does not really say anything about that but the overal feeling I'm getting is that it's geared towards North American audience. Does anyone know what is the actual usability and data quality when ouside of the NA continent? Do they offer anything beyond what they were able to mooch off of OSM maps?
Given your new opinion on traverses, do you think you would do the Spearhead differently, and take your time to enjoy it? (Not that the Spearhead video wasn't *hilarious*)
Very impressed Cody and crew. Just one wee point of semantic. When you discuss ‘beta’, do you mean information? And if this is true, would you not refer to it as ‘data’. Maybe I’m mishearing, but I’ve heard a few backcountry conversations using this term, which to me might mean ‘secondary’. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, in mountain culture here in North America, beta is slang for information. Don't ask me why but it's just what we say. No other meaning to it other than information acquired.
@@CodyTownsend Thanks for your reply Cody, that clears it up for me. I thought my Scottish ears were mishearing it!
Cody, please try out using Rab VBL socks! I want you to have dry and non-frozen boots in the mornings!
I recommend a very thin polyester dress sock, then the VBL sock over it, then your normal sock over everything.
Your warm wool socks and ski boots won’t get soaked with sweat and freeze over night then!
don't the plastic cinches cause trouble in your boot? I use rab socks all the time in normal winter boots. Haven't found something that works in my ski boots
@@calvinloney5996 I hadn’t thought of that, I’ve only used them in mid-height boots, but I wonder how necessary the top cord lock actually is if the top of your boot goes over the top of the VBL sock anyways.
@@mikekraut7643 yeah, i think the material would also be to thick/ bunch up to use in a tight fitting ski boot. I have been trying out different plastic bags with some success
@@calvinloney5996 maybe Cody could get them to make a taller version lol.
I guess the best option might be to MYOG a tall pair out of some really light and thin SilPoly.
@@mikekraut7643 ahah that would be awesome. I am so surprised he hasn't tried using them. I use them all the time for week long trips in extreme cold where a wet boot would definitely mean frostbite.
Hello. You talked about walking on heavily crevassed terrain. I didn't see you use a rope at all when walking during this traverse. Is there a reason why you decided not to use a rope? Thanks
We did use a rope on the last day. A majority of the glaciers we crossed were very very fat from winter and crevassed only in small, easily observable places. We only felt it was warranted to rope up when we were in some unavoidable heavily crevassed terrain around the Conrad Ice Cap.
I saw the rope
Okay okay what if you put some of those boot dehumidifiers in the liners and then in the sleeping bag? Then dry out the dehumidifiers during the day on pack?
No dehumidifier could get rid of the swamp in my liners.
When planning for these types of traverses, do you find yourself using the 3D functionality on web / in the app equally?
In planning stages, I feel like I use 3D more. In field, 2D.
It's amazing that people have made these gnarly traverses with no modern technology
Agreed!
The original guys, in 1958 or so, did not even have maps (they had aerial photos). BUT: Bill Briggs (yes, the same Bill Briggs who was first to ski from the summit of the Grand Teton), the leader, had done several trips into the range during the summer. So he knew it quite well. When they hit Rogers Pass there was no road there. They had to jump on a train of some sort to get to Golden. (And the tunnel was in place I think, so they would have had to get to a spot where the train was available.)
I had gotten a multi-year Gaia subscription and still have a few years left. What OnX features would convince me to switch over?
Mainly 3D mapping and exploration, which I find is the most comprehendible form of research. Gaia has a lot of great features, as I mentioned, there are upsides and downsides to each mapping app, but I personally find 3D mapping to be an incredibly awesome feature and one that I end up using the most. So I guess that's it.
@@CodyTownsend Thank you for the reply. I had been using FatMap before Gaia had 3d mapping, but Gaia's 3D maps never got flat enough to see a truer perspective. I guess I'll check out OnX w/ the trial... thanks for sharing this great and inspiring journey that you're on.
Look at the resolution and detail for topo and slope shading. It can vary alot place to place for each app. Up here in the Chugach of Alaska OnX resolution was pretty bad..Giais was better and CalTopo wins hands down for slope shading. But no 3D for Caltopo so I use a combo of its free version and Gaia. Also Google Earth is also hands down best for 3D Aerial imagery IMO since you can get years of historical images.
TLDR, I think a combo of apps (free versions with maybe one paid) is the best
Sorry . I'd choose Fatmap and Caltopo any time over a hunter app clone with barbones features. No custom DEM shading to highlight avalanche danger zones, no time planning with Münter score, just to name a few key features that are missing in OnX.
There actually is avalanche terrain feature shading in both aspect and slope angle. Don't know what a Munter score is though.
I can't seem to download OnX backcountry in Canada. Is the app only available in the US?
It should be now available in Canada. That's what I've been told. Hmmmm....
@@CodyTownsend Thank you for the response. I love watching this serie
Did you find why it was included in a book about descents?
Nope. Still don't quite know and I'm friends with all the authors!
I drive myself in an SUV to and from the mountain to ski inbounds using a powered lift. There isn't any way to excuse what I do. It's better to just admit that when it really, really comes down to it, we put put our concerns about the environment to the side in pursuit of our personal satisfaction and glory. Comparing the heli flight to a jet's trip to Qatar isn't it, though. I get what you're saying, but it's silly. Making these "yes, but what about" comparisons leads to us basically excusing what we do and putting our heads in the sand.
What he meant to say is that flying a heli there is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Based on his calculations and mine, it's just about over 800km driven by car, or 3 trips to Whistler from Vancouver. Anyone of us could drive that and not blink an eye once. But hey, someone took a heli to make an epic 8 day ski trip happen is the end of the world all of a sudden. People need to stop acting like saints and mind their own business.
buenos días cod
Did Someone of you use Zipfit liners on the traverse? Aren‘t those too heavy?
I did. Not really. While not light, they do offer great DH performance...which I factored on a long traverse and skiing down shit snow with a heavy pack.
Does cody ever ride shifts?
Sometimes, but rarely (at least during the project). He's got a separate bonus episode up about skis and bindings from a few years ago in which he explains that he's used them on only one line, Mt. Superior.
I do! Pretty much when I'm at the resort its my main binding. I also use it if I'm traveling to another ski area and may find myself doing backcountry as well as skiing the resort. To me, it's a resort binding that tours, not a touring binding that can go to the resort...if you know what I mean.
@@CodyTownsend wow thanks for the response. Stay safe out there.
How much more difficult/complicated are your trips because you’re filming them?
Very much more! Just ask Bjarne.
@@CodyTownsend I find the series amazing, and the fact you and Bjarne carry all the filming equipment makes it more amazing.
Fyi some your passwords have been compromised
Ha! Yeah according to Apple I think all of them on every website ever have been compromised.
Mr T
Hi Cody, great video. I was wondering if you have any contacts for these climate scientists you mention? I have sent you a message on instagram that explains more. Would be great if you could give me a message back!
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“Other people’s carbon footprint are bigger than mine so it’s okay” nice rationalization
Well it's a rationalization for criticism pointed my way often. So just extending that argument out further!
I get it, there’s no other way efficient way to get your caches out.. I wouldn’t be the one to call you out on your footprint. I just thought the comparison to Elon was cheesy. Appreciate the more in depth video!
Yeah, I debated putting in there and it's fair criticism. I'm not against calling me out when it should be called out, but sometimes the amount of criticism pointed at professional athletes that do care and do things for the environment seems unbalanced compared to where the greatest impacts of GHG emissions lie. So I wanted to bring it up for context more than anything. Cheers CJ
Thanks for keeping this part in the conversation. I don't think you could have said it really better... Still not Great to do, not the worst. Anyway carbone foot print should be measured for your whole year/life, you can still choose where you spend more and where you spend less.
@@CodyTownsendThank you for your environmental consciousness (It is the first step in decreasing our footprint) and your courage in discussing this very difficult issue. I believe I am responsible for some of that Heli's emissions as I consumed this content. But I am less responsible for my countries Dairy emission's as I am lactose intolerant (but indirectly benefit economically from the wealth it brings into my country. My problem is, how do I justify my emissions for consumption that is purely selfish. Should I start a you tube channel to pass on my guilt? (joke as was my yeti comment)
Doesn’t having a kid give cause to state your GHG emissions are infinite? Along with filming it you gotta look at CZcams, editing, your camera crew, marketing that causes others to buy goods. I mean the list goes on. Not a place for someone like you to grandstand on… Gotta look at the externalities man!!!
And you have to look at the externalities too, but I often don't provide the public with that stuff because personal reduction is not gonna be the way 8 billion people stop emitting GHG's. So I don't promote my personal expenditures that I am lucky enough to be able to afford because the only true solution to this mess is when green energy is safer, cheaper and easier than current single use fossil fuel energy production. The argument you provide, and hell, even the context I gave about others giving off shit tons of GHGs, is just a means to point fingers, not an actual solution.
@@CodyTownsend *EXACTLY* , its inevitable so just shut up about it!
Wait, so you can finger point but I can’t? I don’t understand this agreement
@@CodyTownsend No one is pointing fingers.. It’s literally inevitable to produce GHG, theres literally no viable solution for everyone on the planet, and won’t be for ages even with extensive investment and innovation, in addition to increasing GHG to even get to that solution using current technology. These talks about GHG emissions on a person by person basis will literally be implemented as a tax on the poor and those without the privilege to care about GHG more than their ability to survive. This is the definition of inequality.
If you care so much why don’t you do more than mitigate and create a solution? Spreading a message that has been spread 1000 times before will cause a negligible impact at most.
Well, ya sorta did in the beginning. But regardless of that, you and I are probably more in agreement than you think. I am against personal reduction as a solution, taxation of GHG emissions, and even laws like California's law to ban small gas powered engines that in the form of lawnmowers, chainsaws, snowblowers, etc... I am for innovation in the private sector and incentives in the forms of Research and Development, tax incentives and infrastructure to create a society that produces less GHG's. So to your point, as someone that can afford greener technologies (lets face it, they're currently more expensive) I've tried creating private demand in the form of purchasing a Heat Pump system for my house, installing Solar Panels for my house this summer and switching my next vehicle to at worst a high MPG plug-in hybrid. On the political front, I've worked behind the scenes on multiple campaigns for politicians that support that same agenda of innovation and incentive. So while it may not have been the best to point out others GHG emissions, that gets thrown in my face so often, that I countered with a contextual example. Plus, as you can tell with the length of this thread, going into the nuances of my beliefs...well that would be the whole video and no one wants to watch that shit...
1. Start using CalTopo and stop being a sell-out.
2. Stop calling things “clutch.”
Thanks.
3. Can you pay my salary?
I’ve used FATMAP for a while now. Does Onx have benefits over it and is it as good in the Europe (Scandinavia) as well?
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