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What flag am I going to put on my Dairy Queen cake now?
Underrated comment lol 😂
The East German one, obviously!
The confederate battle flag 😂
Some random Probably non-existent mid-century civic organisation flag sounds like a good option.
The Rhodesian flag of course
The opposition group had a very "we don't really like it either but it's the principle of the thing" attitude to the situation.
Lmao, the DA (South African opposition) is composed of mostly white South Africans who reminisce about apartheid. They’re the ones who would be flying the flag.
@@mineghostN a what they said vs what they actually intended situation
@@mineghostN Were there any other groups who opposed the legislation?
Yup, and the principle is what matters when it comes to laws. The ACLU in America is what has kept Free Speech in America for so long. Look up their history. The ACLU supported both racist cases under freedom of speech AND they also orchestrated the Rosa Parks case which is what lead to de segregation in America.
Rosa Parks actually did it on purpose, as a part of the ACLUs plan with a bunch of lawyers, and they told her to not sit on the back of the bus no matter what, it was all brilliantly planned and orchestrated. But our schools always leave that part out and act like she just randomly wanted to sit at the front of the bus one day.
This is how freedom of speech works, it is based on principle, because basing it on opinions and current day cultural beliefs creates a tool that the government can use as a weapon by setting precident.
If you give the government the power to ban speech that *_MIGHT_* be considered offensive to most people......well, eventually the government can just claim anything is offensive hate speech and use the precedent of those laws to undermine a free democracy by banning the free speech of political opponents. People, forget, that we culture considers offensive now, may not always be offensive in the future, and offensive is *_SUBJECTIVE_* which is the *_real_* problem.
You can't give the government power to ban speech based off of some so broadly subjective, you must base on clear and consice principle that is easily applied across the board. - just like the ACLU in America supporting racist free speech even though the ACLU was largely responsible for de sergregating race in America with their Rosa Parks case they planned.
Gotta agree with them there. If hate speech doesn't count as free speech, speech isn't free.
Zimbabwe 2: Electric Boogaloo
Theres never electricity when these things happen
Freedom from the oppressor looks good, I wonder if Nederlands is gonna accept all of its people still in this country.
@@stejabrayaga they were in South Africa first. Maybe you study your history, you evil little boy.
Pretty sure South Africa isn’t ethnically cleansing to the extent that Zimbabwe was
What is "electricity"?
- South Africans
and yet malema can sing "kill the boer" and it's somehow fine?
What nonsense are you trying defend jou poes you hear me nya mao wena
@@kamogelonzama3513 💀💀💀
That sounds really incredibly racist
Yep
Anti-white racism is perfectly fine nowadays
Cope
South Afrikan courts also ruled singing 'Kill the boer' as free speech. They believe calling for genocide is not hate speech but flying the former flag as such 🤔🤔
This needs to be higher up
And what about the TRC? Mandela and Tutu let murderers, rapists and other scum walk free in exchange for their confessions. It is the ultimate show of humanitys kindness. You trying to spin this into a story about the poor boers who are being persecuted by the natives is laughable. The white still control a disproportionate amount of wealth in SA..
I thought it was the opposite that they deemed it hate speech.
@@ashkitt7719 Unfortunately not. The equality court in Johannesburg ruled in favor of EFF 'free speech' case in the summer of last year
It was declared hate speech, though?
Hating the flag because it's a symbol of apartheid: 🙂 🙂
Hating the flag because it's ugly: 😎😎😄😃😁👍‼️‼️
Fr the new flag looks so much better anyways
i personally like the flag, though i feel half of that is liking orangebon flags
true!
@@_TehTJ_that is a r*tarded take
@@_TehTJ_both are shit
If Julius Malema can sing "Kill the Boer, shoot to kill pow pow" then having the old flag should be allowed.
Ek stem saam!
Lol no. Cry about it.
@@nunyabidnes6010yes one is just a flag the other is a literal song about genocide .
@@nunyabidnes6010kaffir cope lol
didnt he get convicted for hate speech multiple times?
I dare you to look at South Africa and tell me it's not become a horror show
Become? It always was.
Bro it's a horror show yes but not as bad as it was when under car flamethrowers were products you could buy
@@UserOfTheName We need that in America
You seem like the type that shared racist memes about Obama even before he become president
@@justinbowen2509 Typical lefty cryig racism when reality refutes their delusion.
Trust me. SA has bigger problems than the flag.
Fr aren't they having economic collapse from dept to china ?
@@adelalmohtaseb5261they're so fucked tbh. In massive debt to China and as a result are being constantly destabilized by western (CIA) entities to try and make south africa not seem like a viable investment to the Chinese. The west is banking on swooping in and capitalizing on hard feelings the South African people (mostly Afrikaners) will have towards the ruin china left the country in.
@@adelalmohtaseb5261 No.
@@gregbeyer9507 They are though
@@adelalmohtaseb5261 No. We aren't. The economic "collapse" are issues relating to electricity supply problems, and poor investor confidence.
I think South Africa 🇿🇦 has much bigger concerns than worrying about their old flag, the fact that they can't keep the lights on💡 being one of them.
We can worry about more than one thing at a time, the glorification of the old racist flag and our current corrupt government's destruction of parastatals.
yeah but flying the flag of the former hyper racist governments not gonna fix that
It will soon have a new flag, designed by their CCP overlords.
@@slaytanicsabbathMaybe not South Africa, but a bunch of African countries - yeah
Didn't have that problem under the old flag.
I live in south africa. Apartheid was bad, but don’t act as if people do not have a point when they complain about ‘what the country has become’. We do not have working traffic lights, sometimes only have 4 hours of power a day, a useless police force and a sadistic health care. Please come spend a few months in Johannesburg before disregarding criticisms made of the country.
Don't South Africans call the traffic lights "robots"?
@@PrawnAddiction yea, but most people reading this won’t know what a robot is. And no, we don’t really have them anymore because none of them work ;)
@@dergeradeweg1413 Yeah, I get that. Hopefully, you'll be on a better pathway soon, love from New Zealand. 🇳🇿❤🇿🇦
@@PrawnAddiction thanks man
@@dergeradeweg1413 It's nothing
South Africa has become a literal Utopia because of their new flag, where everyone gets along and nothing bad ever happens.
It's amazing.
Flags are indeed powerful.
Your being sarcastic right😂
@@paulstrunkheide 😉
South Africa is beyond f***ed, though I love the scenery there as a photographer
“Utopia” You’re joking, right?
@@lapeds5204 yes. I'm joking.
As a white south african ( born after apartheid mind you) I hold no love for the old flag. However being pissed at the corruption, mismanagement, constant blackouts exc is perfectly reasonable. Those people who tried to defend the old flag chose a strange way to express otherwise reasonable frustration
I am born of the same situation. To me this expression of frustration also has underlying racist motivations. I do agree that making the flag illegal to behold is silly. I think people being allowed to show it to express their opinions, allows people to better discern who to avoid.
@@grimascent8278I thank god I’m in America where we have free speech for now
@@IdiotBoxProductionsTV 🤣
Do you honestly believe they're merely frustrated at corruption and mismanagement?
@@IdiotBoxProductionsTVindeed, God bless the United States. Imagine if the United States accepted South Africa into the union. More than 90% of the population would support it
South Africa will be the next Zimbabwe soon if the government keeps doing nothing besides blaming apartheid for all its current day problems.
I mean, there is still a lot of racism and inequality between black and white. Black people are still more likely to live in poverty and such
Blaming all of the problems on apartheid and the past? Regardless of where in the planet they go, that's what they all do best!
@jnoe4447it's been given the lable apartheid but it's colonialism, the system and all. The world has an inequality problem with the way the system has been set up. I think that's what people are trying to say, only they use South African terms, because what you grow up with is what you know and therefore express yourself accordingly. The 3rd world will be able to get up on it's feet soon. Zim already has her own gold coins: the currency of the future is here and those who we despised as being behind us are going to be ahead of us.
@@ClouddPetals Its own not actually true, see who the affluent class are in Panama whilst whites fall lower down into middle and working classes. Opportunity and the witholding thereof has the power to change a society for better or worse. Those who wield the wealth know this,fact: 1% of the world own 90% of the worlds wealth. You have to be careful what you listen to and swallow as truth because there is very often an agenda involved, and in this case you're repeating a narrative, it's probably not your own thoughts. Think for yourself.
The Apartheid did just that tho, while I am not ignoring the ANC of their recent mismanagement and corruption, they do have a point with the fact that Apartheid did leave behind a whole slew of problems embedded in the system almost two decades after its abolishment
Dude called South Africa a democracy 😂
Huh
I mean it’s more of a democracy than it was 35 years ago
I hear that the black people burn other black people for taking jobs since they are from other African countries. and that the government is miss managing everything to where power goes out. and the white population can’t find jobs which are the ones who were educated (plus I believe they took there farm land). I wonder how much of a democracy they have.
@@pocketmarcy6990 yeah well blacks will diasgree witht the actual owners of the land, you could always go back your tiny land or whatever
@@pocketmarcy6990union of south africa was democratic
I am black and i proudly say:
South Africa is much worse now then in the apartide times.
that's more the reason of complex geopolitical circumstance than some inherent need for racial hierarchy. your blackness matters paradoxically to the historical record in that regard
I'm totally sure your black.
Sure thing bud
ure a smart one
Coming from a black, that's crazy
"yo dawg i heard you like flags" lookin ass flag 💀💀💀
The Orange/White/Blue by itself would be fine but that would just be an old dutch flag
@@darthvader8744 the old Dutch flag was red/white/blue..
@@shervanstaden7209That's the current one
Not funny I didn’t laugh. Your joke is so bad I would have preferred the joke went over my head and you gave up re-telling me the joke. To be honest this is a horrid attempt at trying to get a laugh out of me. Not a chuckle, not a hehe, not even a subtle burst of air out of my esophagus. Science says before you laugh your brain preps your face muscles but I didn’t even feel the slightest twitch. 0/10 this joke is so bad I cannot believe anyone legally allowed you to be creative at all. The amount of brain power you must have put into that joke has the potential to power every house on Earth. Get a personality and learn how to make jokes, read a book. I’m not saying this to be funny I genuinely mean it on how this is just bottom barrel embarrassment at comedy. You’ve single handedly killed humor and every comedic act on the planet.
I’m so disappointed that society has failed as a whole in being able to teach you how to be funny. Honestly if I put in all my power and time to try and make your joke funny it would require Einstein himself to build a device to strap me into so I can be connected to the energy of a billion stars to do it, and even then all that joke would get from people is a subtle scuff. You’re lucky I still have the slightest of empathy for you after telling that joke otherwise I would have committed every war crime in the book just to prevent you from attempting any humor ever again.
We should put that joke in text books so future generations can be wary of becoming such an absolute comedic failure. Im disappointed, hurt, and outright offended that my precious time has been wasted in my brain understanding that joke. In the time that took I was planning on helping kids who have been orphaned, but because of that you’ve waisted my time explaining the obscene integrity of your terrible attempt at comedy. Now those kids are suffering without meals and there’s nobody to blame but you. I hope you’re happy with what you have done and I truly hope you can move on and learn from this piss poor attempt.
what is that banner 💀
Nobody's speaking about the fact that this flag has a flag inside a flag, inside a flag along a flag that's supposed to be the combination of three different flags and ANOTHER flag right next to it.
This flag depicts 6 different flags.
Flag-ception
6-flags! that used to be the name of a themepark :)
Most well made british flag
And now I know where the state of Georgia got the idea for their 2001-03 flag...
I strangely want to here a midwesterner with a heavy accent, the amount of "flaygs" heard would be record breaking
Banned to keep people from remembering working power stations
You mean back when black South Africans didn’t have access to electricity or education?
they want you to forget having a functional country, forget about how the country was doing under Nelson Mandela (the only good post apartheid president) & de Klerk
Eish
How many people were served by those power stations
@@Lucky-NO-7Those that payed taxes and built the cities and towns.
South Africa was objectively better during apartheid.
I am South African, I don't like that flag, I also don't like a song called "kill the Boer"(white farmer). The song was deemed freedom of speech while the flag was not. It's seems a bit wrong.
That's cause you don't want to remember what the white farmer did black people
A bit?
It is wrong. But it shows that South Africa is rapidly turning into Zimbabwe for its anti-white policies and poorly managed nation.
The song has important historical relevance to the anti-apartheid struggle which is probably why it's treated leniently by comparison.
@@petersmythe6462 same argument can be made with the flag, history relevance against British colonialism.
South Africa's political situation post-apartheid is so complicated that I can't pretend to understand any of it. Each thing I learn seemingly contradicts the last
That's just South African history since always. The old Nationalists who ran the segregation system considered themselves anti-colonialist and justified segregation as a means to eventually secure independence from Britain for the segregated groups, arguing that integration would mean cultural genocide. The language of social justice, used to promote the opposite. The current government does the same when it uses socialist language to defend the neoliberal/neocolonialist status quo, which they depend on to make them rich via kickbacks. The result being that unemployment and inequality are now worse than immediately after segregation.
There's no easy "narrative" to construct here, it's just a complete CF.
Its not complicated at all. Blacks cant manage a fucking McDonald's, much less a whole country. They were kept from voting and holding management power for a reason. And now we are seeing that reason.
It used to be better under whites what else is there to know
That’s because most of the good things you hear are simply cope coming from people who ideologically cannot admit that it’s in a materially worse situation than before.
Can you give example?
Interesting to know how an outsider views things here.
Don't make a conclusion of something you do not understant. It does not represent hate or racial supremacy. The flag represents history of the boer war.
Let's check in on that Liberal Democracy™️
Fun fact - if you look closely, that flag is present in Rocky Horror Picture Show. It's on a plate during the time warp, only it's upside-down
A plate?
A license plate or a dinner plate?
A dinner plate!
During the song there is a large buffet table with different dishes with tiny flags on them (presumably the country the dish is from)
The old SA flag is visible during the chorus following the bridge, sticking out of a pineapple. It is indeed upside down (maybe the filmmakers' attempt at a protest? Or they just didn't know which way was up XD).
@@SavageGreywolf It's the Annual Transylvanian Convention so maybe it's where the attendees have come from?
How is South Africa doing
Zootopia.
Eish(meaning bad)
Black.
Not great. Except our Rugby team! 2023 World Cup champion!
All how's the UK?
Why did JJ do finger quotes at “what their country had become”
Because objectively in every category including quality of life for the black population is worse then during pre 1990 governance, and that’s saying a lot
Mhm, do you live in South Africa?
@@thecooldoge6343don't be stupid, everyone can see the country is a shithole now
I feel racist for saying this, but the moment the whites lost power South Africa went to shit. I'm not sure what that implies
Well....we did it boys!
We fixed SA!
Hopefully the news of this will spread in the 2.5 hours people have electricity there...
😂
Where are you from? *pulls out NERF gun*
South Africa is doing “load shedding” (I.e daily intentional blackouts to save electricity) because of how incompetently the ANC has run the country, but glad to know they have their priorities straight
It’s an endless torrent of racists leaving comments under this video. Nobody was talking about load shedding and governments can do multiple things at once.
@@mineghostNI'm Black. South Africa is a mess. It's the most dangerous country in Africa. Worse than poorer countries. Cape Town is more dangerous than some Mexican cities controlled by drug cartels. The most basic definition of a MESS. That cannot be contested.
@@mineghostN That being said, the ANC does seem to suck and be corrupt and plenty on the Left have criticized them as well such as the increasingly popular Marxist-Leninist party, Economic Freedom Fighters.
@@mineghostN Yeah they can simultaneously violate speech rights and stop private companies from providing sufficient electricity to their citizens
@@ed8907”most dangerous country in Africa”
Give me a break. There are active Civil Wars in other African countries.
South Africa has led the way with many social policies, including gay marriage and legal cannabis. It is not close to anarchy, as you’re describing it.
"What their country has become"
You say with sarcasm, I've known personally 2 people (white South Africans) who have had their loved ones murdered by rampaging black South Africans.
Just walked into the farm and chopped them up.
I'm not saying this to imply a racial motivation here, but imo it's understandable how such militias come to be, can't make fun of a man just trying to protect his family.
Blacks were severely mistreated in South Africa, but the way the government there has handled redistribution of wealth (farms a big example) after Apartheid has not helped the country along.
Ware woorde, ek stem saam, ek ken ook mense wat hull familielede verloor het op hierdie spesifieke manier. En ons taal gaan dood...
Shity County in the past and terrible County in the present 🤮
South Africa has only gotten worse for three decades.. Anyone informed is worried about what it’s become.
I have hope. We have a better starting point for rebuilding than other African nations and it’s not like all municipalities have become incompetent
@@hydromic2518 good point not all hope is gone by any means. But I do worry
Yeah, people can actually live where they want now... so tragic...
@@azarshadakumuktir4551The current issue is not about where your home is, it’s about whether anyone is going to stop post-apocalyptic raiders from breaking into it to do unspeakable things to you and your family.
@@senorsiro3748 I do not see any modern age sea people trying to break into homes, all I see is some people who have nothing trying to steal blankets and gangs that try to steal cars. All this ordeal wouldn't even be that dangerous if there was adequate gun control. The issue nowadays is that gangs often carry weapons to seize cars or TVs even if the owner is armed while owners arm themselves to defend against isolated thieves... All this is stupid, a gun won't protect you from a gang and isolated robbers rarely can afford weapons. Thus violence goes higher and higher without any real reason. People here have been taught that violence and strength are the only things that matter for the past two centuries, this needs to stop. And you using this kind of inflamatory rhetoric clearly isn't helping. The only world that ended thirty years ago was hell, its gates are now open but the damned are still lost and searching for pain whereas they could finally enjoy life again.
i love the protest group that also hates the flag, truly standing by the words "i may not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it"
Tbh.. It's like flying the flag of the 3rd reich or the confederacy..
Which is what pisses me off.. It's incredibly redundant and the "free speech" shit is incredibly fallible and inconsistent.
Like the song about I think killing white people is free speech but not the apartheid flag? They should pick a lane.. Ban the flag and the song or allow both.
And before anyone calls me racist or anything. Fuck these wannabe apartheid reformers aswell the group supporting their "rights"..I just don't like hypocrisy.
doesn’t sound like they defended it to the death, just empty words to defend a racist sentiment
@@KaelynSmith-bc9ww to defend freedom of speech
@@user-jc8ez9iw2j no, definitely a racist sentiment, literally waving around a flag of “i liked this country better when you weren’t considered human and i had superiority over you”. if the conservative party themselves wants to distance themselves from people that wave it, that should tell you all you need. keep defending racists though, it’s very noble and makes you look cool
@@KaelynSmith-bc9ww that's the beauty of Freedom. no matter how racist, evil, or horrible you are at heart. As long as you love and let live, you're fine.
I support people defending that flag.
If we're gonna touch on that you'd have to stop buying from pretty much every car company because they loved hitlers flag
From a vexillogical perspective the old flag is cringe.
The colors are fine, but they put too many flags on that flag.
What their country "had become". My guy, have you seen the state of south Africa now that they gave the country back? SA was a 1st world nation back then.
1st world if you ignored the millions of starving black people
@@sallmandar1027 those people are still starving + their power grid is collapsing + so is all of their infrastructure, food supply chains, roads, medical industry, etc. etc.
The new government never helped those people & its gone backwards economically/ socially as well. It's no longer a safe society & law/order is breaking down. So yes, perhaps but that hasn't been fixed + the country has gotten worse.
@@johnnydavey6266
But it makes him feel good to say "but no racisms!"
@@sallmandar1027 typical ANC bs lie
And pretty advanced in many areas.
Hard to argue that things are better for anyone in S. Africa these days.
???
@@harrywinner7403the place is a dump.
@harrywinner7403 they have a pretty corrupt government I hear
@@vnolan633do you mean miserable.
Also I doubt any South Africans are happy with power outages, and lack of food and water
@@mworld2611like it’s better in other countries? At least we know about it and have some people trying to fix it
Free speech is always valued until you don't like what someone else is saying.
True. You see, when we censor things it's based but when they censor things it's literally 1984.
“Free speech is always valued until you don’t like what someone else is saying” 🤓
@@zunfix1194he is correct
@@alexiel4406 let’s unban the fucking nazi flag then since “free speech” is so valued according to you clowns
@@zunfix1194yes let’s do that and prove to the Nazis that this is the most free system available to them
Not picking a side but there's a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate
Meanwhile another 10 hours without electricity in South Africa. Meanwhile if it wasn't for vigilante justice in South Africa there wouldn't be any
"It had become" Dude. There is no electricity for more than half the day, how is that not a failed society.
Apartheid nostalgia?
@@CJ-fs1zrElectricity nostalgia?
My dad told me qbout living in apartheid, he said it was food, the economy was great we were basically a 1st world nation, our army strong, and most of all olaying soort with any race of kids, they weren't treated differently when playing together
@@CJ-fs1zrwhat's wrong with that? It was clearly better for everyone, including the natives. It's very obvious they do not have the capacity to run themselves when left to their own devices as evidenced by practically all post-colonial societies on the continent. The only ones that aren't utter shit are ones that retained strong connections with their colonizers
@@rafalgan-ganowicz kick the whyts out of South Africa
Go cry about muh whyt giniicide
Whyt bois are cucks
Also African Countries are the future and thrive thx too China and Russia investments lol
Asian societies run better and China helping Africa
Most current nationalist Boer groups rally around the old flag, but have replaced the British flag on it with third flag connected to their history.
What's third flag
@@absolute_yote9570 according to crwflags it's the "strydvlag" or "struggle flag" which looks similar to the the Transvaal flag, only with an orange stripe replacing the red stripe and is used as a symbol of the Boer people in general, as opposed to an old Boer Republic. I also saw one that replaced the union jack with the AWB flag which is even more extreme.
I wonder if that version would be legal because technically it's different.
@@brettfafata3017it's not illegal nor hate speech yet.
Doesn't make much sense to me because South Africa was built on top of the blazing ruins of the Boer Republics in northeastern South Africa at the hands of the British. Disregarding controversy regarding the Apartheid flag, it just doesn't work well at representing Boer nationalism.
They ban the old flag, but allow the leader of the 3rd biggest party to openly call for genocide (He litterally sings "Kill the boer", boer meaning white afrikaans person)
Double standards are crazy
When South Africa had nuclear weapons. Now they barely have electricity.
My father was a First Lieutenant in the South African Special Forces in the 80's/90's, he's told me South Africa was working on nuclear weapons and that always confused me because South Africa didn't seem to be that powerful. Now I know why.
Classic move: try to distract from real issues by changing something symbolic.
I hate what apartheid was and represented, however i always have trouble trusting governments (especially those as known for corruption as SA) with governing speech and symbolism.
You can't just apologise. You have to improve too, heck, it's basically the JOB of any government.
Thank you exactly with the kill the Boer bullshit too
To be completely fair, the country as since declined heavily since 1994, one reason being experienced white farmers had their land taken from them and given to inexperienced or outright not farmers of african origin. There are other reasons as well, the country has been in decline.
But our Rugby team still kicks ass! 2023 Rugby World Cup champioooonnn!!!! 🏉 🏉 🇿🇦🇿🇦
I'm American but my Father is a White immigrant from South Africa.
Just call it a reconquista. Same as Spain.
But the song they song at political rallies about killing whites is no longer considered hate speech…
And uh yeah south africa isn’t doing great as far as I know.
Banning flags is always kind of creepy
@@user-nn8cw6nv6g Yeah banning illustrations is fucked up. Also without the protection of rights you will have anarchy, and at that point the flying of any flag will be the least of your concerns
Is banning the Nazi flag, or the flag of ISIS creepy?
Free speech, like all other rights, is obsolete. OBVIOUSLY EXCEPT WHEN IT HURTS THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS, GENIUS.
@@bob-km4uq
Say, do you know what's written on the Houthi flag? Because I know Arabic.
yes we need more hateful symbols in this world. let’s stitch them all together and fly them at the UN. 😂😂
@@user-nn8cw6nv6gPeople can say whatever they please. If you want to be the most hateful mf to ever exist so be it. Being a part of a terrorist organization is a different story.
I mean, it's a really stupid looking flag, but flags shouldn't be illegal
You're basically just saying that a symbol of racism shouldn't be banned.
The South African constitution allows for symbols of hate to be banned
@@donovanlocust1106 yes. That's exactly what I'm saying
@@JJMcCullough cool. That's wrong though
@@donovanlocust1106Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying.
Either you think people are smart enough to choose their leaders or they’re dumb enough to be suckered into obvious lies - you can’t have it both ways.
Edit: To clarify: Regulating speech effectively means that you want the population to think and act a particular way - AKA social engineering. Now that’s fine, in fact I’d say it’s preferable in some cases, but it doesn’t logically fit with a democratic mindset - that being that the people should choose what direction a country goes in.
If the latter is what you sincerely believe, then the former would be an inherent violation of it.
And if you do accept both, then all I ask is that you admit the cognitive dissonance and move on.
Labeling something hate speech doesn't make the hate go away and hate speech can always be defined by the people in power. Freedom of speech must be held above all other principles surrounding speech, even if the person speaking says something you hate.
Crazy that the part of Africa that flag represented wasn't used even seasonally by any tribes or countries at all until after it was colonized and industrialized by Europeans. Nuts how that works
Even before knowing the undoubtedly horrific lore behind the design...it's just an awful looking flag.
why what “rules” does it violate? 😂😂
@@reddykilowatt the “rules” (more guidelines than anything else) of flag design don’t matter if you know what you’re doing,
1)The colours are very common, and orange, unique as it is, is basically an in-between if red and yellow, and red, white, and blue is the most common color combo in flags.
2)The “symbol” is extremely boring to look at, as they are just 3 different flags stuck together, while all of these would look good or at least passable on their own but as smaller symbols on another flag they look awful and lazily made.
@@reddykilowattIt doesn't matter it's still hideous
@@reddykilowattMan’s defending a flag with three other flags in the middle of it, what in the world are you on?
@@reddykilowattthe rules of good design
Ahh yes. Censor opposition views. Nice one South Africa. I can see the ANC is still up to it’s old tricks.
Is banning the Na zi flag, or the flag of ISIS creepy?
Free speech, like all other rights, is obsolete. OBVIOUSLY EXCEPT WHEN IT HURTS THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS, GENIUS.
Another obviously racist South African ^ please ban these people
You’re weird dude
Oh, I thought child-bomber Mandela was a hero of peace and love?
@@1302VL Nazi punks go away
When a flag is so controversial that an organisation advocating for use of said flag in public discourages said use of said flag in their own events:
How's the corruption and electricity going in South Africa now 😅
I’m from Canberra, and the nearby town of Cooma has a display of the flags that several countries had when their people came to work on the nearby Snowy Mountains Scheme. For a long time, this included the old South African flag, and it wasn’t changed until last year.
I imagine that's the same with many WW1 & 2 monuments all over the Anglosphere
Heh heh, Cooma
@@user-nn8cw6nv6g not really. I grew up in the 1990s and I have never seen the old South African flag, even though my city in Canada had a sizeable population of post-1994 South African refugees and immigrants. Even when I was in South Africa, I never saw it anywhere
@@MalachiCo0Cooma
@@MalachiCo0 Wait till you hear of many many "xyz's knob" in Australia
Is it a blanket ban or are there some exceptions, like in a historical context for example?
I believe the court referred to “gratuitous” display
I would assume they would use the nazi ban- germany template
From what I know it is allowed to be displayed in museums and other building interiors but not outside where it can be involuntarily seen by the public
@@vladimirrashkovsky6274 I'm confused what you are calling a terrorist state
@@justanotheranimeprofilepicSouth Africa post-1994, a failed state with genocidal policies…..what’s difficult to understand about that?
Old flag looks way better than current one
The fun fact is that one Afrikaner journalist went out to the streets to look if the Van Riebeeckflag is offensive and he asked to blacks and coloureds only. And they either didnt know the flag or say its not an issue for them to see it. The Van Riebeeckflag dates back BEFORE Apartheid, something JJ doesn't mention. But then, the SA Supreme Court has been very anti-Afrikaner. A clear example of this is that AfriForum called upon the court to ban the EFF song "Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer" (A Boer is a word for Afrikaner), but the court stated that it was not hate speech because it is a struggle song from Apartheid time. Meanwhile not much later, multiple farm attacks have been reported where the mostly black attackers shouted "Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer" in the attack. I'm afraid both Nelson Mandela and Frederik Willem de Klerk are crying in heaven for what is happening to the country they had a vision for.
I really despise how that flag became a symbol of hate because I think it’s far prettier than the current SA flag. I love the combination of Orange, White, and Blue.
I agree, I don't understand why people find the old SA flag ugly. Just because it has other flags on it??
I did become a dysfunctional mess though.
Well a huge part of the population used to be oppressed, so suggesting it was better ignores that it was only better for white people (if we assume it was better at all, which I don't know)
@@KarlSnarksnow its worse or the same for everyone
@@KarlSnarksnow everyone has to suffer, at least then SOME people got to live a halfway decent life.
@@KarlSnarksit was and buddy many black south Africans wish it was the old days instead of now. Just like Rhodesia
The good thing is that nowadays in SA nobody gives a sh!t about the law anyway, so whoever wants to can just keep flying this flag🤷🏼♂️
In Albany, NY there’s a Korean War monument downtown that has the flags of every allied UN country that sent forces to Korea, including this flag of South Africa
It's nice to see the other countries who gave some in that conflict being remembered
You forgot to mention that SA has gone down the tubes since the change just like Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.
'xactly.
Bla..s can't gouvern. Fat Cats on every continent.
It really hasn't. Life improved for the majority of the population even if there are persistent problems and new ones for the previously well off subsection of the population.
@@petersmythe6462lol where are you if you think that 😂😂😂
@@kremepye3613And where you are getting your evidence from? CZcams?
Westerners arguing for the end of free speech lmao
Like a heavy pack after a long hike they don't even notice it until it's gone.
He's Canadian and they don't have free speech.
Yes. Not everything should be protected by free speech. There are some opinions that should never be spoken. Modernist liberalist ideas of freedom are a new concept and not at all a part of western civilization.
I wouldn't call South Africans westerners lol
@@suhnih4076Well if you go west for long enough you'll get to South Africa eventually
South Africa is way worse now then it was in the past. 🤮🇿🇦
Gee african has its own variation of the Confederate flag.
You realize that just recently in last few years they killed white farmers and stole their farmland to give to blacks, it isn't a joke to say ther failure in government is what is making people want to return to the past, and others here are pointing out their suffering power shortages.
What are the implications for depictions of the flag in historical documentaries on CZcams?
I think that’s fine, the court ruled that context matters
@@kylemccormack1785I can't threat to kill people, this is truly 1984
@@kylemccormack1785 What's stupid is seeing a law mean to have a way to prosecute white supremacists before they commit acts of terror and feeling threatened by it.
@@kylemccormack1785 I mean is really your biggest way of expressing your freedom displaying the flag of past racist regimes? Flags are symbolic. I am not that much in favour of the ban either but such ways of defending it are stupid. The question is if such opinions can be symbolically displayed or not, complete freedom of speech never existed.
@@JJMcCullough Correct - historical context is fine, so museums, documentaries, fiction, etc., are not covered. Public display as if it's just another flag is banned. There will probably be edge cases but when used in a historical context it's clearly excluded from the ban
I gotta say, for all the bad stuff, the US seems to be on a very short list of countries who actually take free speech seriously.
Many US states are in the process of banning books from libraries. Not very free speech if you ask me.
@@railrost7428 they are not banning books. They are removing pornography and inappropriate materials from school libraries. No one is stopping you from buying those books.
@@railrost7428Many states also don't allow the boycotting of Israel. Also banning inappropriate books for children isn't bad when there is an agenda to push the gender ideology into the youth.
@@railrost7428You support the distribution of smut to children in schools?
I believe america is 21 place in the democracy index. If you think about how many countries are ahead of us that’s quite far off. So not at all really.
Didn’t South Africa just commit genocide in like 2017
In Turkey, hotels have the flags of countries where they get alot of tourists from, so generally russian and german flags. I once saw a hotel with the flag of apartheid south africa, flying high and proud. The owners not know that it changed it
plot twist: they knew
Also, does that mean there are both more German flags in Turkey and more Turkish flags in Germany than German flags in Germany?
@@kyh148In fairness, we Turkish are one of the most national flag crazed people, along with Americans.
@@umtic I saw some football plays where the national turkish team was playing... A lot of red and white XD... Nearly everyone had a flag.
@@umtic I blame Ataturk.
What if I fly a Greek or Armenian flag? Or a PKK one?
Guys, something important to remember is that while Zimbabwe and South Africa are extremely corrupt now, we can’t go back to old ways. We must create a better future for everyone, without discrimination nor corruption!
Yes, the present sucked. But the past probably sucked more.
@@jmac356 Comparatively the country was better than now in terms of living conditions and economy. Did you know South Africa was almost a Nuclear power? Not anymore they aren't! That's how shitty the country became after the shit show of a government came to power, forcing the old one out.
@@jedinight235 Agree to disagreee, bloke who's still talking about the past. Not with the nuclear power thing though.
I think most blacks are opposed to the current government too.
That flag represents a disciplined, hard working, good economic power, strong milatary and smart leaders who knows how to read, write and lead a country the propper way.
Today South-Africa is none of that
It oppressed the vast majority of their population because of their ancestry and the color of their skin
I saw this flag on Nova Scotia pickup truck recently.
To be fair, the license plate was from Alberta.
Am I the only one who likes the design of the flag?
Yes
@@jimmyjones8676 The orange is good, and uncommon on flags. I think that's why I like it.
@@ash_11117 The Tricolour aspect if fine but the several smaller flags in the middle look terrible.
Absolute eye cancer of a flag anyway
SA was decisively not a third world country in 1990, but it decisively is now. It is a portent for things to come in the United States
???
You say ‘what it has become’
I remember a case where they seized farmlands from white farmers and gave them to black farmers.
They couldn’t run the farms as efficiently due to different practices, and it cause a collapse in the sector.
That was Zimbabwe, I believe. They've now let white farmers back into the country again
COUGH COUGH Zimbabwe
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I pointed out the same thing in some comments around the beginning!I'm glad someone else actually read newspapers! I've been vindicated.
And look at South Africa now.
What about it? At least it’s not a racially segregated society where Blacks don’t have civil rights.
any erosion of freedom of speech is to be mourned.. it doesn't matter if I think something is evil, a man should be allowed to say it , think it , and or believe it. we cannot hope to govern the thoughts in a person's head. we shall soon find our thoughts under scrutiny.
That's correct.
[Insert Voltaire quote here]
The flag is in War Thunder still. You can’t stop the snail.
Now lets check on South Africa now to see how they're doing since the end of apartheid? What? No water? Constant blackouts? How could this have happened?
Nah I know jj is sick of these comments like 14 people have commented the same “I know some more notorious flags 🤓” comment like yeah but that’s not the point of the video
It’s people that want to undermine the racist history of the flag. They know what they’re doing.
yeah South Africa was much better when it wasn't the most dangerous country in the world. turns out apartheid was a good thing. who knew?
There were Dutch and British parts on the old flag because Dutch and British created the contry. The only reason South Africa has its borders, its institutions, its infrastructure is beacuse British and Dutch people made it so. And they keep making it so, just look at what regions of the country are recieving money from the budget and what are contributing to it. I will finish with a fact: apartheid SA was the only African country to ever develop a nuke, post-apartheid has troubles keeping electricity 24/7, take that as you will
i love free speech fans coming to defend a flag that represents a lack of freedom for a country's people
The same country that ruled a song about killing the white population free speech
It’s not about defending a country built on systemic racism and apartheid, it’s about the legal ability to fly a flag and say you support apartheid and all that other stuff
It means "we will never forget" now. That's what people want it to mean.
-this comment was made by a literal human cattle
Banning a flag is idiotic.
@@vnolan633yes he is exactly like JJ
@@vnolan633The flag should be shunned, but banning it carries a danger
@@johnplummer4785 no it doesn't
Next, they'll burn books
@@johnplummer4785 no it carries no danger
But seriously, what was solved? Clearly no one has solved corruption in the country. Maybe even today's flag will someday be banned. Not one group nor people has resolved anything.
You say "had become" like it's not a reasonable statement, but tell me that you'd pick to live in South Africa over anywhere else. Like I'm not pro apartheid, but South Africa isn't doing so hot at the moment.
South Africa today is better than Apartheid South Africa.
I believe the new flag is becoming just as notorious as the old. South Africa is becoming more like the failed state of Zimbabwe every single day.
Pretty sad. The flag is really beautiful and unique.
We’re not there yet and we could actually do something about it if people stopped complaining about it and actually decided to help fix things
@@hydromic2518 Don't worry. South Africa's new colonial masters will fix everything, apparently.
@@jl696 who are you talking about and in what context? The ANC is definitely losing its majority in the next election and South Africa isn’t a colony it’s a sovereign nation
@@hydromic2518 Vote the ANC out! But who will replace them? Good luck to all South Africans, may you find peace and competent governance!
"multiracial democracy" LMAO
South África was a regional power under that flag, they are a failed state under their current flag so...
Union of South Africa Flag was not an Apartied Flag as it predates that period.
Don't put "what the country has become" in air-quotes. In a rare video not about China, CZcams user serpentza has posted a video about his native South Africa where they now have "load-shedding" and the electric power is deliberately cut 12 hour a day!
Lol apartheid lover is angry
Muh whyt ginniciide
Whyts are going too be minority in their own lands 💀
Lots of whyt liberal girls dislike str8 whyt males and love Blk korean hispanic guys
and that is not fucking relevant
I like how he put “had become” in quotes like there aren’t genocides of white farmers in South Africa going on to this very day…
Wow just wow who hurt you sweatie? Murder is violence + privelege therefore it's impossible for wh*toids to be murdered
Because there aren’t.
@@kenshin891 The definition for murder is “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another/kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation”. No where in that definition does it talk about violence + privilege.
Cry about it whyt boi
there are not
I hate the obsession with "hate speech". What is labeled as "hate speech" is not even "speech" in the broadest sense of the term. Using flаgs is a definite action but has nothing to do with what you write or say. Distinguish human actions from words or texts.
Man the orange white and blue kinda slaps. A shame it’s got terrible connotations.
Good thing South Africa has become so much better now. It's basically crime free and people could not be happier. Truly a Hollywood Ending.
😂 your joking right?
XD. I get the sarcasm, but I can only see SA as an action blockbuster where fights, explosions and evil(and incompetent) villains abound.
@@keanucoetzee8627 😂
thanks for the info, CNN