Fuel Shutoff Solenoid (FSS) delete - First Gen Dodge Cummins
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2016
- In this video we show you how to delete the Fuel Shutoff Solenoid on your first gen dodge cummins. This solenoid shuts the truck off when you turn the key off. This solenoid when it malfunctions may cause the truck to not shut off when the key is turned off, or in the second case I had, the truck could only get up to a certain speed or rpm and would cut off fuel (my guess is the plunger malfunctioning). This is the solution to these problems...delete it! Use a pull cable to shut the truck off manually instead and avoid these issues. Amazon purchase links below.
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I hear Pink Floyd in the background. I like you good sir
Your fix works GREAT!!!!!! Thank you Tyler
I am slowly doing all of these upgrades to my trucks in my free time. This one is next, I have a slight fuel leak at the shut off solenoid on one of my trucks when it's cold. I have all of your 1st gen videos saved to a folder on my PC...thanks a lot for taking the time to make them. Once you do some upgrades, the 1st gen cummins Dodges are one of the most reliable trucks ever built.
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate the time you are taking to watch these videos!
@@OvensGarage my 89 Cummins quit one one day and I’ve tried for two years to get it running and still no luck the alternator was overcharging and I saw some smoke come from under the dash and in less than a half mile the truck died and hasn’t ran since It will turn over all day but isn’t getting fuel I first deleted the fuseable links replaced the manual fuel pump and just took the guts outta the fss when I tried to start it a min ago the wires started to smoke from the fss and it is leaking fuel should I have put the o ring back inside and just not the spring and plunger and what should I do with the wire just not hook it back or what thanks for any feedback
Gorgeous clean first gen!
Thanks for the video. Been fighting a shutting down problem and a random power loss and gain for awhile and after hearing the problems you had is making me lean towards my fss
Glad it helped. That little FSS can be annoying especially when you aren't familiar with the issues it is causing. Better just to remove it and install a pull cable in my opinion. Less room for error.
Did it help?
big thanks for the vid! solid info and i can see all i need!
Hi Tyler, I hooked up the wires back up to the FSS, as Tim from Decent Garage, told me to do and the truck runs great again. Even though you do the delete, you still have to reinstall the FSS wiring or the truck will idle poorly and belch black smoke, as there is no timing advance on start up, as the PCM controls this. Thank you for your help, as well!!
Cheers, glad it worked out well for you!
Do you think you could have this mod and a remote starter? In other words could you leave the fuel "on" with no problems?
My truck shuts off but first time not starting for me so I'm thinking I take the cylinoid out and plunger then pay the cilinoid back and get a wire like you have should fix my problem starting
Wondering if you could just add a cheapo 12v gas/fuel solenoid wired to key/on power just before the pump? Truck might stay running for a moment longer but that shouldn't be a worry.
Maybe, this is the factory setup though I wouldn't deviate from it unless you have to
What do the two wires on the FSS go to? Trying to re wire my 91 W250 and can’t find a wirering diagram anywhere.
I think one is ignition power, not sure about the other. E-mail me and I might be able to get you a wiring diagram.
Mine was shorting out and the truck wouldn't start after being shut off for a while.
What about the Boss?
Any advice on a manual fss for a 7.3 IDI?
I'm not familiar with the pumps, but if there is a manual shutoff on it I would try and rig something up to it!
How did you go about bending that bracket over; a torch? My truck died on me on the way home and won't start now so I'm hoping its the FSS like yours and not the fuel pump in the tank. Did you have to prime the system before starting it back up? Thanks!
Cody No prime was required. Some guys cut that bracket off so they can get to the FSS easier. When mine went I wasn't near the shop so I just took a pair of vise grips and bent it back so I could get at the solenoid with a wrench.
When the shutoff was acting up on you, would it randomly cut out? Mine is doing like what you said and it would cut out at a certain rpm (but would come back in a couple seconds). On the way home today it cut out, but kept doing it to the point to where it killed the engine.
Cody That's exactly what happened to me on a 12 hour road trip. Unfortunately I didn't solve the problem until after the road trip so I ended up only going like 90kmh the whole trip. That's the problem though, definitely the FSS. Gut it and install a pull cable! That's the way to go. I've had it like this since and haven't had any issues since. Yeah an extra step in shutting off the truck but avoids the hassle of the FSS acting up... which seems to be always.
Sounds like a plan, thanks for the quick replies!! I've heard horror stories of the plungers falling apart and getting sucked into the VE; inevitably ruining the pump. Let's hope that didn't happen lmao
Cody That happened to my first VSS. A part of the plunger broke off and I never found it when I took it out.. I haven't had any issues with the pump since but hopefully it won't cause any problems haha.
My 92 Cummins wont start. I can turn the key and the lights come on, but when I go to engage the starter, nothing happens. Any ideas?
Check out another one of my vids called starter rebuild.. I’ll bet you any money that’s it. Go under your truck right now hit it hard a couple times with a hammer then try to fire it up again.
Thomas Horton also check the battery connections. They can get loose and you will have light but no start.
How did u bend that metal piece? Thank you in advance
I used a pair of vice grips then pushed it over..probably shouldn't do it, but I did it anyway just to make some room.
whats a kilometer?
Great Video Tyler, my FSS just went out after four months on a Brand New 230 Hp VE Injection pump. I had a manual shut down put in. The issue I am having is once the bypass is put in and the wiring to the Soleniod is disconnected. It affects the KSB on
Cold Start conditions. Did you rewire the KSB? Thank you!!
That's a good point Frank..and one that I did not cover in the video when I made it at the time because I was such a newbie. The wiring diagrams if you take a look at them feed through the FSS to the KSB if I'm not mistaken so the wiring should remain connected to the FSS if you still want your KSB to function properly.
@@OvensGarage Thank you Tyler, I will have to check the KSB with a test light and the key in the on position. After the I had the FSS removed I noticed rough idle for the first couple of days until the truck warmed up. I am going to plug the truck in too, to see if it is a cold start issue or not. Thank you for your help!!
@@franklogan494 no problem let me know how it goes I'm curious.
@@OvensGarage Also Tyler, I have read on some Diesel website sites that they install a toggle switch to bring power to the KSB during warm up and then shut it switch off, but I didn't want to try something I did not know about.
@@OvensGarage I will Tyler, thank you for your help.
What were the dimensions of that bracket? I’m having to Make it at school and my truck is at home
I don't have them unfortunately. I just used a piece of scrap to make it. If I were to guess it's probably about 4 inches wide and hangs on each side about 1.5 inches
My 1990 cummins has left me stranded twice, sputtering n losing power
I believe it to be my FSS however when I removed it theres no plunger inside...
What did I miss or did I leave a part in motor??
Sounds to me like an FSS issue. Did just the tip break off or are you saying the whole plunger is gone? Maybe your fuel filter is clogged. To me sputtering and losing power is a fuel pressure issue. Do you have a fuel gauge on your truck?
@@OvensGaragewhole thing is gone.... 2morrow ill look inside better....has new fuel filter n pump....thnk u
Only a standard fuel gauge
Sorry 2 bother u...I'm thinking since my 5.9 is in my 75 Chevy C30, perhaps the plunger was removed (cant find it in motor)....tht being said do u feel fuel filter is bad? I've replaced fuel pump...??
Your plunger looked completely fine...chances are it was just a loose connection to the FSS. It's very common to have a loose connection, and with the increase of RPM (causing vibration) on these engines it had poor connection. It would have been much cheaper, and easier to just address the loose connection first and go from there.
Sure, many guys think it's cool to have the kill cable, but those grow old fast. Also, once you start increasing the fuel on these trucks but keep the stock injectors it will put more stress on the the plunger. The best remedy is a driver mod. Basically don't mash the pedal down, and then pull up too quickly.
It may have been a loose connection, but after having issues with it twice now I'm trying out a different route not because I think it's "cool" but because it solves the issue in a different way. I don't have to worry about it failing on me again in the middle of a road trip. As for a cost comparison, buying a new FSS would have been just about the same as buying a kill cable and installing it. This is just another way to solve some issues! Thanks for the tips though.
+Tyler Ovens
I wasn't implying you were doing it because you thought it was cool; I said "many guys"
You can buy quality FSS replacements from Geno's for just under $20.
Like you said, you don't have to worry about it failing anymore for whatever the reason may be. I just know that the kill cable gets old, and I enjoy turning the truck off with a key.
@@j0hncast33l it takes literally like two seconds to pill the cable. How old could it possible get...
I had a brief hesitation the other day while driving. It was the same feeling as on a gas vehicle when the ignition system loses power, abruptly lost power with a quick restore... I'm thinking this fuel cut off soliniod could be the culprit.. 🤔
That's the exact thing that happened to me and it turned out to be the FSS!
So what do I do with the wires that were on the solenoid ?
They don't serve a purpose after this is done. You can either leave them in place or remove them.
@@OvensGarage I use that wire to run an electric fuel pump.
and you cant pull start one if there is not 12v going to the pump, really annoying for my old feed truck......
deleted mine and ran wires to a carter electric fuel pump
How the hell did you bend that back
Vise grips work wonders. LOL
They can fail and not open,, your now in a dead in water brick. Won’t start till you fix it.
The wiring on those had huge room for improvement.
It just seems like spaghetti thrown in from ten feet away.
Having to bend a bracket to get at a vital part,, inexcusable engineering.
Yeah I have had it with that silly thing. I had to put it back in when I moved provinces and had to get a vehicle safety done though. Changed it right after I passed though! It is ridiculous that you need to bend a bracket just to get a wrench in there though.
I gotta stop watching I want another 1st gen