25th May 2021 - What to say? - Blue tit nest box live camera highlights
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Livestream viewers might already know that today was an all-round bad experience. After what was a pretty good day one of the chicks escaped the from the cup of the nest and eventually got themselves stuck in the corner of the box. The parents won't feed a chick that isn't in the cup so by the time you read this it's highly unlikely that the chick has made it through the night.
On top of that the female chose tonight to be the first night away from the nest. To say that stress levels are high is an understatement.
The comments section of the livestream has been particularly hard to read tonight. People seem to forget that we edit between 15 and 16 hours of footage per day so we are much more attached to these birds and know them better than most viewers. To be accused of animal cruelty is a little hard to take after the amount of effort that has been spent feeding the birds, providing them with natural nesting materials, chasing away Magpies, Woodpeckers, Starlings and trying our hardest to Cat-proof the nest box! We are not watching the stream 24/7 as some think we should be. And no, the channel hasn't received a penny from CZcams.
Should the worst happen tomorrow, please have a little compassion to those that have been giving the birds the absolute best chance of success for the last 10 weeks.
It's been an emotional day.
More tomorrow...
It's hard to remember that we are privileged to see inside a nest box because of technology -- it feels so close up you want to reach into the screen and rescue the wandering chick. We so appreciate the care you have lavished on these birds, and your wise and honest write-ups each day. I can imagine how hard these losses are for you. Thank you for what you are doing and your thoughtful decisions, wrenching as they sometimes must be.
if they were hard he wouldve tried to help 🤡
Don't let mean comments discourage you and your good work. I just stumble on this page by accident and love it. Poor those birds - but that's just nature.
I'm on the predators side because I eat birds as well, like Chickens or Ducks 🍗 Yummy 🦆
@@X320riginal but you dont have to..they have to
@@X320riginal I’m on the predators’ side. I eat humans😋
@@aak1992 chicken is very tasty
@@X320riginal I eat Chicken but not Blue Tit so i'm still on their side.
Who would have thought there is so much drama in a little bird box.
It’s pretty straightforward for the birds but we humans make it more complicated than it is with our moral dilemmas and such lol
I just stumbled upon your page by accident, and this is the coolest thing ever. What you are doing is amazing--for the birds, most importantly, and for the rest of us as well. To be witness to the nesting and birth and fledging of these beautiful babies is a privilege for me, and I have you to thank for this privilege. I know that every time you lose a bird, it must hurt your hearts--if you were cruel and didn't care about these beautiful creatures, you wouldn't do this. Please don't let a few ignorant souls discourage you. What you are doing is absolutely incredible, and I, for one, am grateful and humbled. Cheers and hugs from Colorado, USA!
I’m sad you lost one chick, but there’s a reason why so many eggs are laid at once.
Yeah you are right
We are getting a glimpse into the window of nature - with all the joy, wonder, pain and suffering that comes with it. Helping this little chick is like removing a drop of water out of the ocean of animal suffering in the world. Let nature take it's course and reflect and learn from the insights you get from a channel like this.
The chick is like "THEY'RE RECORDING US!!"
After knowing the truth, he realizes the value of her knowledge of death
parents: you with your conspiracy theory
Big Brother is watching...
@@ombenikefa7342 ahhahahahahahhaha
🤣😂
This is equal to the trolley dilemma. Would you sacrifice one bird to save the other two? Or would you save one bird putting at risk all of them?
Haha not equal. But I see the similarity.
@@RobMedellin see, that's what is sickening. Jesting at one's intellectual exposition in the backdrop of the potential demise of one or possibly three young creatures.
@@clockwork161 sorry, I don't follow... I don't see anyone jesting, and for that matter I don't read anything sickening.
@@RobMedellin yeah, common side effect of being a sick jester and it's sad.
@@clockwork161 dude your pathetic. i’ve probably read 10 or so of your comments now. no one is gonna change their mind or their actions because you think you have a moral superiority
You made the right call - it's far too risky and disruptive to dismantle the entire front of the nestbox, and I'm sure expert organisations like the RSPB would agree. It's a very tough distinction to make between loving, support and protecting wildlife whilst also keeping it wild. Interference from humans with good intentions often has unpredictable, negative outcomes. Very sad situation but I'm sure any bird/wildlife watchers know that nature is often cruel in reality.
Hope you are okay. Thank you for taking the time to edit and share so much content with us and keep up the great work!
It's not risky at all to open the nestbox in this stage.
@@BirdNerdNation how was the final ? The chick die ?
You let nature do it's work. The purpose of the camera is to OBSERVE, not to INTERFERE.
Well, the interfering started already when that artifical bird house was placed there in the first place. Maybe the baby bird would not have gotten stuck in a natural formed tree nest?
@@nofkofi it'd still die if not rescued by the parents. Especially if it's cold.
@@nofkofi He built an empty box. The birds chose it as their home. There was no interference.
Its sad but it happens and you should not tuch the nest and as for the box its probably a safer environment then most nesting places chicks fall out of nests all the time it happens
Yeah unless you're the cause of the harm you do not interfere with the nature.
You provided a safe place to raise the family, let nature take it's course.
The appeal to nature is a fallacy. Rape is naturel, it happens all the time in nature, but that doesn't make it ethical.
@@poopoodemon7928 Ethics are an entirely human concept that we pretend to share in order to think ourselves better than other animals.
@@Sneedmire Then rape by your logic is ok because it's made up? In fact, language is made up too, so why use it? Not to mention many animals have a sense of right and wrong. Just look at chimps and dogs.
@@poopoodemon7928 There are Islamic courts that deem that act to be a form of proper punishment, especially when it comes to women who have violated the "ethics" of their religious structure.
During WW2, the Japanese saw all others as inferior to them, and would often commit atrocities against civilians and soldiers alike.
You should look at the photos of what they did to Nanjing, especially women. All in the name of the Emperor, and the glory of their nation because their "ethics" saw all others as animals and therefore made their actions "okay".
I never said r*** was "ok", guy.
@@Sneedmire Wait so ethics matter now? I thought it was just made up to make us feel superior to animals? Or is there utility to using ethics in trying to make a more just-world?
I'm coming in very late to this discussion but I think you did the right thing to not intervene. This sort of thing happens constantly in nature even when humans are far removed - circle of life and all that. It is so great that you are providing safe nesting boxes for these beautiful birds!
Like one of the comments said, in the uk it is illegal to interfere or touch any nest being used, when we are 100 percent sure the birds have fledged and nest is no longer in used, we are allowed to touch or dispose of the nest. So maybe in the live you can put such comment somewhere for others to understand that interfering is breaking the law. Since its livestream and on camera, you will likely get charged if you did interfere. Also disappointing to see you had such horrible comments especially such as animal abuse? That's outrageous and I hope you don't take it to heart, it's wildlife and nature for a reason and sad as it is to leave it be but birds will abandoned their nest once it's been interfered. Even when I watch spring watch they don't interfere with the wild. Howwpefully the chick somehow managed to make its way back to the nest.
In an age where even giving a dog a lemon is animal abuse. I'm not surprised people tried to spin this *noninterference* as such too.
Lmao people are completely delusional and so disconnected from nature and its animals. The irony is, they only care about such things when its filmed and they are present to see it. Even after leaving their abusive comments they most likely completely forgot about it too
None of the comments by those criticizing take into account that saving the one condemns them *all* to death.
The parents would get spooked and abandon the nest.
Then the comments would be how irresponsible it was to interfere.
Always remember - those derrogatory comments are made by complete idiots 😉
@@Marlaina No they would not. Birds rarely if ever abandoned their babies. This is from a person who has 5 nest boxes in his yard and manually checks them by opening up the boxes.
Never have I ever had parent birds abandon their babies because humans can around and messed in the nest.
Parents made a big effort to hatch those chicks. They won’t abandoned them.
I doubt anyone would care if it meant a chick was saved.
even wildlife photographers are asked to not interfere.
Wow I never knew a baby chick would actually go exploring. This is the first I've seen.
Baby chick in the nest in my large hanging flower pot would crawl around all the time. I didn't know either! It was interesting.
And then it died
@@mellowyellow360 F
Curiosity also killed the bird apparently.
They usually don't in this stage of development, because they'll die if they can't make it back, like this chick. The parents will not bother warming or feeding them, and they won't try to drag then back into the nest. So they either get too cold or starve and die.
Maybe this little one was the most fragile, that's why the parents didin't help him. It's really common
These aren't pets, these are wild birds. Unless the problem is caused by humans, typically you don't intervene. I'm sorry for the abuse you've been getting, some people don't seem to understand how the world works
So now we have to wait to see if it survives. Make it, baby.
I just came across your channel and must say I am so amazed at this! Thank you for taking the time to do EVERYTHING that you do not only for the birds, but for us viewers as well. I have 4 kids at home (ages 4 yo- 10 yo) and they absolutely love these videos and now my oldest 2 boys are excited about building their own birdhouse.
I am so sorry people are mean and inconsiderate! Just know for every one mean and rude person, there are 25+ of us out here who appreciate you!! ❤️
I agree with your decision. I believe the other comments were based on feelings and didnt want to see the little guy go... but didnt see the whole picture. If you opened the nest, you will have to take responsibility of feeding all three chicks if the parents end up fleeing the nest. Honestly, its best to let nature run its course. I think we can all agree that seeing the little chick go wasnt pleasant to watch.
A bird actually made a nest on a basketball hoop that was in my backyard. On a really windy day the basketball hoop ended up falling and its not like we were gonna leave the babies there on the floor to die. My mom actually saved them. We put them back in their nest and secured the basketball hoop so it wouldn't happen again. The mother of the chick's didn't abandon the babies. She actually watched us until we were able to make her babies safe again. And then went back to feeding them and doing the usual.
That's a great thing to do if the whole nest is threatened. It's great that the parents accepted that.
That is reassuring. Sometimes these parent birds return. Sometimes it seems and has been documented that when the best is disturbed they fly away and never return. Sometimes people just take over and feed the chicks insects themselves and fledge the whole thing to success.
@@orion8835 I tried, in most cases these chicks are left by parents and die
And Even if humans feed them half of them die anyway as they are too afraid to eat anything from us
And thosevwho survive never learn to fly and Die when they grow up
Disturbing the Nest
IS A DESTINED DESTH FOR ALL OF THEM
IT JUST GETS A LITTLE PROLONGED
I did the mistake of Disturbing the nest ones and all the chicks died
Don't do the same mistake
This is an entirely different situation. Bird behaviour can vary differently from species to species. Recently in the news there was a story about a drone crashing in the middle of a nesting area in a bird refuge and that caused thousands of birds to flee, and never return, thus making thousands of eggs completely unviable. Think about it, it only took one drone. Opening the box sounds incredibly disruptive. I trust the video makers' decision because they have direct experience with these birds.
In your situation the nest had fallen, so restoring it would not be any more disruptive that what already had happened. It's nice that in your case the parents came back and took care of the birds, but this isn't at all a general outcome
Lovely story.
*The Uninformed Human Public:*
“Poor baby! Open the box, you BRUTE!”
*Momma Bird to her nested chicks:*
“Y’all eat this food and don’t even look over there. I’ve told him to stay his hardheaded ass out of that corner at LEAST a thousand times.”
Good parenting.
@@gamermanzeake Bird instinct. They’re not wired like humans and we shouldn’t expect them to be.
In a completely natural habitat that would be the one wondering off the nest and dying from the fall. It was very curious tho she sees it and doesn't have a second thought about it. Learning a lot about birds on this. Thank you.
I haven’t seen the outcome since I just found your channel. I say that Mother Nature can be a beautiful and cruel thing. You have built a beautiful house for Mother Nature to take it’s course. There is a reason these birds lay so many eggs and not all survive. It’s a vicious cycle!
But thank you for letting us watch your birds you’ve chosen to house and care for as heartbreaking as it may be!
You did the right thing. As you say, opening the nest box would have risked abandonment. Thank you for all of your efforts with the live stream and highlights ❤️
Never before have I encountered so many crazies until I started watching nest streams. Here's the thing: there's simply no way to know what the right call is in this situation. Therefore, anyone getting all worked up and adamantly arguing for one side or the other probably shouldn't be listened to.
There are those who get extremely emotionally attached to the proceedings, begin projecting human thoughts and ethics into birds' nests, and always expect intervention to save every hatchling. It's just not realistic.
So, whatever course of action you chose was the right choice.
Nailed it. The crazies really suck all the enjoyment out of live nest boxes. Everything action, human and bird, is criticised by over emotional people of a certain ilk. The transposing of human emotions to pea-brained birds is tiring and utterly meaningless. I enjoy these animals as much as the next person, but their intelligence is purely instinctual-based. I now have to just hide any live chat as 55 year old Shiela getting hysterical that chick 7 of 9 didn't get fed at that very moment becomes tiring.
Heartbreaking to watch but it’s incredibly tough for nestlings and fledglings, hence so many eggs being laid. No doubt most of the nasty comments come from people who don’t help nature at all
if this nest was made in a forest and the chick did the same thing, it would happen regardless. Thats nature. Humans shouldnt interfere on such a trivial thing.
it would've probably fallen to death.
We must remember: In the 1800s, childhood mortality in the USA was as high as 45%. Meaning, only a little over half of all children born alive would make it past their 5th birthday. Before we reached our advanced standard of modern medicine, including midwifery and c-sections, infant death was far more common than it is now. Birth rates were extremely high, because only a few of kids would even make it to puberty.
It's the same thing in the animal kingdom. Nature is brutal - it's real. We should be thankful for the comfort and security civilisation has provided us, for no longer being forced to endure this trauma.
Rest in peace, little bird.
Similar to my thoughts 👍
I’ve seen it in other nests - suddenly one chick leaves the nest and dies. It could be a reaction to being sick.
Oh I'm so sorry! This must have been so traumatic for you to witness - and then to have mean comments on top of that. Hang in there.
Traumatic? I mean its sad but NOT traumatic level.
@@abdulkarimalsharif1420 Yeah, pretty sure that, according to their own report on how they felt, it was traumatic for them.
I’ve seen a lot of things way worse than this
Mother Nature doesn’t go soft on anyone at all !
Probably chick's leg got entangled with a human hair - they're too fine so easily can get wrapped around legs - legally you can't interfere with the nest box unless you have a lawful reason to break the law so only if the whole nest is threatened and not for the sake of a single chick
Interesting. That person had no idea that one of his/her hairs would one day be used to build a bird nest and then cause the death of a baby bird. Is this interference by humans, however unintended? There’s only so much one can do to minimize one’s impact on the environment short of not being present at all. But we gotta live and grow and thrive somewhere. I guess we just cannot know for certain just how much our existence will affect our environment and to what degree and how long it will last. I mean, that human hair could be days, or months, or even years old.
I wonder, do Jains shave their head?
@@richNfit4life Horse hair does the same thing. Horse fur is great for birds when the horses shed their winter coat, for lining their nests. Horse owners like to leave it for birds to pick up but we are warned to make sure there is no mane or tail hair.
How would a human hair get in there
@@valdie91285 The bird would have put it in the nest. Birds will pick up things they don't realize they can get tangled in like hair or for example frayed plastic threads from old tarps etc. The hair could have been picked up by accident along with the more suitable material also, the bird wouldn't understand to pick it out.
@@valdie91285 - I was only replying to Adam’s comment. He wrote that the chick’s leg probably got entangled with a human hair. When the nest was being built, the bird might have picked it up and brought it in, or the hair was entangled with other material the bird used.
Hello Loughborough Livestream,
You have done a fantastic job of providing us with this livestream. Everything what has happened is nature before our eyes and unfortunately sometimes it can be cruel.
It was best not to interfere, the parents could have abandoned the nest completely and then there Would have been three dead chick's. Those who provided negative comments probably do not fully understand this.
Keep the good work up...😃👍👍
Here here !!
Couldn't agree more. It's like people who complain about lions hunting and nature being so cruel, when it's the way of life, just because we choose to live up to certain standards doesn't mean every being on earth has to. Besides we created those ourselves, those are not laws of nature. What we see here is and that happens every day in this world, so why interfere? I totally agree with you, we should just let it take its course, even though it might be hard to see or accept.
It's nature's way. People saying you should have done something to save the one bird were only thinking with their hearts. Mother nature can be cruel. Imagine the feeling if interfering cause more tragedy.
the reason the parents didn‘t rescue their wandering chick is likely because they considered it too weak to make it in the outside world if it can‘t get out of the corner by itself.. also they only feed the chicks that are poking out of the hole, if they are somewhere else the parents might not even notice
God bless you and all that you do for these sweet little creatures. 🙏🙏🙏🙏💙💙💙💙 Don't listen to people's negative comments. Half the people watching this wouldn't be able to do what you're doing.
there is a reason why mama birds put in from 5 to 7 eggs. theyre chances of survival are minimal, so ad long as 1 survives, everything is fine
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Right decision! Keep up the great work brother! Thats why I love CZcams. These videos are so fun
ya gotta take all the good with the ugly. I can imagine how fast the the filmer's heart dropped when the baby's cute lil exploration of the nest became a stranded type scenerio
Geez, they have to understand that although there are some sad parts of the process- that’s just nature. It happens, not all chicks survive normally- how would you be involved in animal cruelty at all! That’s insane, I hope you feel better from having to decide but I think leaving it so most chicks have a chance since they seem to have as best of provisions and safety that they’d be able to find. Thank you for this project- a lot of us love it!
While it was tragic and heartbreaking to watch, you did the right thing by not interfering. It was the least developed chick of the three and it was too early to go on adventures. In a nest built outside, the chick would have fallen to the ground and been eaten by predators. All the chicks have had a greater chance of survival than normal, given everything you've provided for them. This loss and the decision not to interfere have probably increased those chances for the other two.
bluetits don't build nests outside though. i kinda wonder how it got stuck, maybe a faulty build or a tragic accident..
@@XLightChanX It shouldn’t have wandered from the nest. It would have had a greater chance of surviving if it stayed put.
That's very cool to watch and beautiful too! Thanks!
Looking at this little one walk, and then its siblings the next day... there is a huge difference. I think something was wrong with this one, sick maybe. And nature run its course.
yeah mother didn't even cared to try to save him
In tandem with the other videos in this sequence, this is a wonderful peep into the natural world.
The reality is that the majority of chick broods do not survive one hundred percent in the wild. Human intervention for whatever reason almost always means that a nest is abandoned so that is a dangerous option for all of the family, the parents will not return to a disturbed nest
Unless one has the knowledge, incubation set-up, time and patience, to remove the chicks to raise the chicks there is no choice but to let nature take it’s course. Human raised birds removed in similar situations rarely survive to be returned to the wild so that’s another important factor, keeping them as tame caged birds isn’t really a solution.
What an amazing informative channel! You did the right thing by not interfering! Although it was heartbreaking to watch😞 you must leave nature alone. Just because we dont understand why the parents do certain things...doesn't mean we have the right answers either! Thank you for sharing this video. May we all grow wiser for it.✌
just cause a human man decides to rape his daughter doesn't mean we don't have the right answer for his death penalty. sorry not be rude but you can't put human ethic on animals, they have no morals and rape each other all the time.
@@lienomzekon4763 I think with " birds" its different. Had they interfered the parents would have abandoned the whole nest! Of course when we speak of humans it is different!!
I love these ❤
You did a wonderful job. To even have this video stream is more than great. Let's say, if there were no camera, it would have ended the same way. It's nature of being survival of the fittest. Sometimes, that is just how nature run it's course. You can't save them all and by opening to try saving one risk kill the whole nest. It's sad to see one dying and in video, but that is how nature is. In the wild naturally or a built in environment where nature still takes it's toll. Keep up the good work.
I have a feeling the run away chick probably jump into those bedding where his leg slip under one of the branches in that bedding. It only know how to jump out but not strong enough to move it's feet to free itself. So hence, it's got stuck. Sad.. but that is just nature running it's course.
I saw a similar situation on nat geo the bird who stepped out of the nest is starving because the parents realized that he is the weakest of the brothers and it's getting harder to keep feeding all of chicks so they stopped feeding him that's why we used to try and take one of the chicks from the nest and taking care of it as pet life is complicated and sometimes doing what appears to be the wrong thing is actually the good thing to do you just need to see throw the action because what appears to be separating the family is actually saving a chick so the family has one extra fully grown bird at the end of the year and remember animals don't have the same emotions as humans keeping their type alive and healthy is more important to them than their kids
You guy are doing an absolutely amazing thing here. Its a shame some people don't understand that, but that's life i guess.
This is Nature, it's cruel and beautiful. You shouldn't interfere with it unless you absolutely have to.
> unless you absolutely have to.
Wasn't it an "absolutely have to" situation tho?
@@bullymaguire9987 Had he tried to get there and help the parents would've flied away and never come back. Also, are you going to be there interfering when the worm is helpless and save him for being eaten? Will you let birds die of starvation to save a worm? Would you've been there to save the bird from the crow and let the crow die of starvation? And on and on? Do you realize now kid that nature is a delicate and beautiful balance and interfering does more harm than good? Go play fortnite kid.
@@bullymaguire9987 thanks for the info 7 months later. You'll scare the crow once and come back when you go away. Nature is inevitable, just let it be. BTW Just turned 23 and have a job now. I miss playing Halo all day that was better.
If viewers think this is bad then they have no idea how bad watching a nature cam can be. I have seen a racoon climb into an eagle's nest, chow down on the helpless babies and then SLEEP there for 3 days. I have seen Osprey chicks tumble out of a nest in high winds, and more. Nature cams are not for the faint of heart. I have seen more joyous moments than horrible ones though, by far.
I love this channel.
i am very much enjoying all your cams! how sad that ppl on here r so rude. i know u put ALOT of effort into these, & i am VERY grateful for all u r doing for Yahweh's beautiful creatures! 😍 🐦
100% of those people were wrong. No one should open the box and if you find a chick on the ground it is perfectly fine to pick it up and put it back in the nest.
True that putting a chick back into the nest won’t make its parents abandon it, but opening the box that ensures nest safety is a step above that
@@bjorn94 which is why I said "No one should open the box."
I would open the box but not touch the chick with my bare hands. If the parent decide to abandon the chicks then I would take it upon myself to take care of them the best possible or take them to a bird sanctuary to get the proper care they need. Thx 4 sharing. 👍☺👍
sure but in this case he have to destroy the whole house and left in danger the other babies, the parents would leave and never comeback
So what was the point. To watch 1 baby die up close?!!!! You should've left the birds make their nest as nature wanted. At least they wouldn't have some camera in their home and watching how 1 poor baby bird dies up close. Why don't you email Audubon.. They know more about birds than you do. 😡
Have a nice day!
Is there a known reason why the parents will ignore a chick that isn't in the cup?
Like it doesn't seem to me that the wandering chick is easily missed - still noticeable?
Perhaps? Unlike mammals grabbing the neck of their cubs to move them, birds can't really move/help a chick that is stuck. Perhaps the parent has forgo the lost chick, as it has gotten itself stuck and away from the central warmth/nest.
@8-bit pepe You can clearly see at 1:19 that the mother (or the father) sees the stuck chich in the corner, and it seems a little bit confused on what to do, I don't understand why she/he didn't do anything to rescue him
@@kv7797 ah that's a good point, I hadn't thought of it like that. Wee shame
Could be that once that chick was outside the nest the parents no longer identified it as 'my chick,' that they associate chicks being in the nest that they built being 'their chicks' that they must feed. Might be an instinctual way to guard against wasting precious food on chicks that potentially might not be their own. In the wild, with that nest in a tree, it would have been very likely that that chick would have fallen to the ground, so it might also be an instinct to prevent parents wasting energy and their own safety trying to help a chick that they have no hope saving.
Dunno, that would be my guess anyway. Birds have their own unique intelligence, so different from ours, that it’s hard to comprehend sometimes.
@@YasminJFoster I think your right
I'm quite sure it's been the same way for literally millions of years - nature. Yes there is a camera recording, and helping hand from us with the box & food supply, but open the box to 'rescue' the chick, and the likely response is the parents abandoning the box and they all die. For all those people making mean comments, they're completely deluded snowflakes. The very nature of life, some of us make it, some of us don't. 'somedays you're the windshield, somedays you're the bug'. Keep up the good work.
You did the right thing 🙋💞
We love you, forget about the haters, you are doing amazingly!!!! BTW You should do a donating announcement or something
Given the degree of growth and feather difference between this one and the other two, it's possible it was evicted from the nest. The parents instinctively remove corpses in the nest ASAP to prevent disease killing the others, and will also occasionally remove a sick or dying chick before it's finished dying. It's possible that this weaker chick (also in a previous video it looks like the father plucks a parasite off of it) was evicted by the siblings. The parents may have already stopped feeding it as much if it was sickly, prompting it to wander for food. There's many possibilities, but I think unless you hand reared them start to finish, feeding them all around the clock (and let's be honest rearing 8 chicks would be a huge undertaking when hand rearing just one is difficult), only then would you know for certain what their outcomes would be.
So very sorry this happened in y'alls nesting box. I had a hard year with my porch birds here in the southern US. Normally I have three nesting pairs, and only two showed up this spring and neither nest survived to fledging. I do not know what happened, or why this year was different. I waited weeks to be sure the nests were out of use before I went up to investigate. Found little baby bird skeletons. It was heart breaking, but I took the old nests down and hope to see some new swallows come build their homes. I cannot help but wonder if there was just too much built up old nesting material that was harboring some bacteria or if our weird weather this spring was to blame. We did have a rough February and an unseasonably cold March/April along with a few late freezes.
:(
Please don't mind the comments. People jump the gun too easily. You're doing a great work.
The livestreams are a fascinating insight into wildlife but I have found they do attract people (mainly women) of a certain ilk. Watching wildlife livestreams, especially surrounding a nest, requires strong emotional fitness. Yet, for too many viewers, they simply do not posses any ability to remain composed, let alone the strong emotional fitness needed to watch. Seemingly every action is criticised, if a chick doesn't get fed that very second, it generates a "why didn't mum feed it????" comment. These birds have evolved over MILLIONS of years, and they are perfectly capable of surviving without mindless intervention. Remember, these birds play the numbers game and not every chick will live. Indeed, it is not good for the ecosystem if every chick did survive.
My rule when watching these nestboxes is quite simple: if there was no camera, what would I do? Obviously, the answer is "nothing" as I wouldn't know. As mentioned above, nature has survived millions of years without me and will continue to do so when I'm fed back into the ecosystem.
Anyone accusing anyone of "animal cruelty" over a natural act needs to not watch these streams. You are emotionally unfit to cope.
When a comment is stupid and obnoxious just block them and move on. The internet has produced the greatest generation of armchair quarterbacks the world has ever seen, most of which couldn't find their way out the basement without google maps. Spare yourself and us from their stupidity and just block them from commenting and all will be fine. These are great videos and I for one appreciate all the work you do to get this amazing footage! God bless you all!
You've never gotta open the box. The owner's just observing an entire life circle, which's done to learn. As cruel as things could be, you can just observe. That's how nature's studied.
Curiosity is nagging me..when the chick dies in the corner (presumably what happened 😞) Do the parents still ignore it? This was very strange to see, a first for me anyway. I'm glad I found this channel I love observing nature. I am glad you chose not to interfere, it was the right choice 💚
They usually drag it out of the box.
Sometimes might even eat it.
Hello🌺Maybe we forgot one thing. Animals live by their instinctual programs, not by their emotions and thoughts. If they would use a natural nest in the trees, the baby would be on the ground right. And a birdy who don't got their Instincts right, will hardly or not survive in future. So it's natural to them to behave this way, but let's stay loving, it's also natural to us as human that we don't want to watch suffering. Much love nature friends
Absolutely absorbing!!
sooo.😗does anyone actually know why the parents didn’t save the chick
who knos, nature is a stressful environment, either they don't understand the problem or have not the surplus to deal with it.
But yeah it is weird how animals can seem so intelligent, yet act so stupid.
I'm just assuming this so don't take it as fact but I think they might just favour the stronger babies bc they have a higher chance at survival,, maybe they just knew that the baby wasn't gonna be strong enough so they didn't wanna use up food or time on it when those could go to the other babies. It's really sad, but it's nature for ya :(
@@artsyebonyrose I do wonder what proses leads birds to make theis decisions its easy to just say "they not human so they dont feal" but i think reality is bit more complex. There is also cases where human parrents mistret or abandon there childen, its usaly in envoments of hige stress. I think you right in that its got someting to do with favoring the strongest. still how dose a bird make south decisions.
In fiction theres alot of times where you have minds with no feelings. but from my undstanding of brains you need feelings to make any choice in life. the only instance of "feeling less" creatures is ants, but thats becuse there feelings are cented on protecting the queen and the hive, and they make there decisions in unison.
To have a mind but have no feelings at all, seems to me to be a imposiblity.
altho how you display you feelings is free game. hens why we often say creatures dont have feelings, becuse we cant see them emote what they feel.
Because it's not in their instinct to resuce a chick that wanders out of the nest. In the wild a wandering chick will fall from the tree to its death and the parents can only continue to feed and raise the remaining chicks.
A bird box is a very recent and "unnatural" thing, meaning that there is no instinctual behaviour associated with those boxes. To the parents a chick that's not in the nest is "dead".
Most bird species don't have problem solving abilities on par with many mammal species - a mother cat for example will most likely look for and carry back a straying kitten.
It's common for mothers wether they are Pandas or birds to abandon children and choose the ones with the greatest chance of survival.
In that birds head, they were thinking...if you can't survive in this box, there is no point of wasting resources, when they can be better used on your stronger siblings giving them a better chance.
...how nature works.
I think parents disregarded chick cause its his wrong decision to leave nest.
No, as a proximate cause, the parents respond to some very basic cues that tells them where and what their chick is. After that it's just a FAP(fixed action patern) that leads to the feeding. Perhaps evolutionarily their behavior will lead to the retention of certain kinds of chicks that behave a certain way but their inability to detect or rather identify their displaced chick requires no explanation that involves the invocation of any intention on their part. Nico Tinbergen's experiments are a good example of this sort of behavior.
@@clockwork161 thank you for the scientific response! i've been trying to learn more about this phenomenon but didn't know where to start
It’s the warm of your camera
Ahh I had assumed this was a reason the censor bar had appeared in another vid
I enjoyed that 🐣🐤🐥🚑🕞⚰️
Consider a redesign/alteration to the nest box to allow for quick and full access during some contingencies.
Yeah, this was a tough one. I don't think anyone could have watched it and not be moved. I started on the side of not interfering and wavered a bit as the evening went on. I'm glad to see the parents came back and hopefully the other two will fledge soon.
I can't understand, that who are the people who disliked that type of videos .... I mean they don't love nature? 🙄
What a great find on my part; thank you for sharing!! :)
I just read your description and I feel awful that you had to experience such hateful words. People just don’t understand that words really do hurt people especially when you live for the LORD and who created all things good in His eyes! These people live ungodly lifestyles and have no mercy or compassion for any human being. Their motives are also all wrong! Pay no mind to these hypocrites! For the wicked will never see the light of day! Many blessings your way! Much love from a Hebrew Gadite! 💞
Why do the parents ignore their chicks if not in the circle?
Google said they are so preoccupied with feeding their other chicks that they don't even notice them.
To save the chicks you also need to build the walls at 30 degrees straight up to the ceiling. So when chick strays from the nest the only direction is to fall back to the nest so he can renight with his brother and sisters
J"ai fabriqué un abri pour des mésanges bleues et pour la 2 ème année consécutive les mésanges ont nidifié et le résultat été au rendez vous "3 bébés par année". Je prends soin de nettoyer le nid avant qu'il soit a nouveau en service pour l'année d'aprés.
J'ai fait en sorte qu'aucune vis de métal ne soit apparente car les oiseaux pourraient se blesser. Il en est de même pour l'entrée du nichoir un trou dans le bois pour leur passage suffit.
Ceci dit j'apprécie énormément ce reportage qui nous permet de vivre de si beaux instants avec nos amis les oiseaux.
Very sad. It's unusual for such a young bird to leave the nest cup. That's where they get food and warmth. I know you know this.
You are doing the right thing by leaving the box alone.
Poor little soul. But as you say, follow the parents.
It's been an extremely tough year.
I'll be following to see if the others get through.
Keep doing what you're doing xxxx
Well... Sacrifices has to be made for other's to live, this is where intellectual comes in, not emotions
Complimenti per l'amore e la cura verso questi piccoli amici , lode a lei . Like
Why do the parents never help it?
Is it possible the chick was drawn to the camera some how?? Maybe something imperceptible to us, some sound or smell or heat or something? Maybe there's a way to rig it so they aren't able to go towards it. Not sure where tho.. I'm no expert but I wonder if a more narrow, tall box with little dowel rods alternating down the sides would help keep babies in the nest and allow space for fledglings to practice a bit but leave a bigger gap before the top so they don't get to the opening before they're ready. It would keep the opening much farther away from nest which would help with draft and predators. But idk if the parents would be comfortable going down in something like that. Just a thought. Of course, if u do want to be able to intervene, u could install a locking, hinged door near the nest which would minimize interference. Just some ideas. Regardless, you did an excellent job here and it was wonderful to watch the experiences and interactions of these birds. The wing flitting the mom did when the first baby hatched and the dad came in for the first time and they looked at it together was an incredible thing of beauty and I'm glad I witnessed it. Thanks.
I would've just done what my neighbor did, either get a spoon the longer metal ones and bend it. Or piss off the wife and use a makeup brush. As long as someones watching the camera its just a scoop/dislodge and go. And while some places highly encourage you not to touch a nest, if the birbs in question aren't endangered/vulnerable they tend to turn a blind eye. And if they're in the Uk maybe track down or ask the youtube dude A chick called Albert. Baby bird no hatch? drill a hole to give it oxygen. Swans made poor life decision and nested in winter. Save the babies. Chick has malformed beak, save it anyway. Our ability to care for others big or small and do whatever is in our power to help them is in my opinion what truly makes us human. That is not a criticism of the channel owners, they were doing their best and I'm glad we got to watch this journey with them.
I personally think the mother's rational was, if it makes it back, it is a strong bird fit for the world. If it doesnt, it is one less mouth I have to hunt for. Nature is very cutthroat, and birds are very selfish, and cold creatures. The mother didn't feel the need to go above and beyond.
Hello there! I set up a bird box last year and blue tits have decided to nest there this year! She was making her best in March and April and we saw him bringing her in food daily, sadly in the last week or so, they have stopped arriving at the box! I checked the camera and saw no eggs but an empty nest!! Does anyone know what has happened or if they will be back?? Thanks for helping!
Not sure but maybe the chicks left the nest.
Moma told you not to leave the nest but nooooo you had to be Dora the Explorer.
What happened to that chick? 😢
Tough to see the chick being ignored..
Where is part 2 of this video? What happened to the chick who wandered out? Please let us know. Thank you
It died, there's a video with a grayed out box near end, it couldn't survive without the warmth and parents didn't feed it because it was the runt of the litter.
It looks to me like it was trying to nest in the corner away from the commotion and thought it would still get attention but then got too weak
What was then?
I saw the censored block in the recent video put out that covered the month and figured a chick had died there, but its still extremely confusing for 3 reasons...
1. If the chick could move, why not move towards the parents/food source?
2. Why didnt either of the parents save it?
3. Why didn't the parents remove the body after it died?
Its as if they were completely blind to everything that wasnt the nest, so weird
Because it's not in their instinct to resuce a chick that wanders out of the nest. In the wild a wandering chick will fall from the tree to its death and the parents can only continue to feed and raise the remaining chicks.
A bird box is a very recent and "unnatural" thing, meaning that there is no instinctual behaviour associated with those boxes. To the parents a chick that's not in the nest is "dead".
Most bird species don't have problem solving abilities on par with many mammal species - a mother cat for example will most likely look for and carry back a straying kitten.
No one likes to see an animal suffer. If that’s especially hard for you I suggest not clicking on videos titled “uh oh-not good” or something similar-on a video series dedicated to a box of baby birds. Nature, like life, just sucks sometimes. That’s very hard for children, and for some adults that think nothing bad should happen to cute cuddly animals.
I will say that I am glad u stepped in to rescue the mother when her dead baby was attached to her foot. That was different bc the mothers death would have also affected the remaining 4(ish) left in the nest bc they wouldn’t have survived without mom to keep them warm. But if I remember correctly she never returned to the nest so they died anyway. Which is why I think it best not to interfere for the most part. There’s a good chance that she was already so traumatized from the event before being rescued that she couldn’t make herself go back. But it also could be bc of human intervention that she chose not to go back. Either way I think you’re doing a fabulous job & I love watching & learning about these beautiful little birds! Keep up the good work! 👍
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These types of things happen in nature...I think the right decision was to just let things play out naturally