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The deep irony of conspiracy theorists is that they call others "sheep" but they accept outlandish, baseless claims posted by nameless sources as truth simply because they want it to be true.
And you do the exact same....
@@robem9077 I’ve never once done any of those things, but ok. The irony is in the fact that “sheeple” is a term often used by conspiracy theorists to describe regular people who don’t believe absurd things, not the other way around. Conspiracy theorists claim to be skeptics but they are completely fine accepting absolutely insane claims with absolutely no evidence. That is the irony.
@@Jacob-ry3lu Agreed. Countless of scientists with years of research are completely wrong, and Facebook Karens are the true sages of our time. That’s the mentality of conspiracy theorists.
history books with research aren't nameless sources
No, that is not how conspiracy theory works. A conspiracy theory has basis on analisis (granted, sometimes the analysis isnt cientific or at least not cientific enough for mainstream). And if a person doesnt want to argue with you about certain theories its no because the are afraid to be disproven its, regularly (as a good conspiracy theorist would put it) because either is a dumbass.
"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Mark Twain
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People that dont believe conspiracy terrorist are the ignorant sheeps you cant argue with.
Meh, some of them sound good, but this video explains why they're just general theories that can't be proven. For example: the meat industry made P.E.T.A to make animal rights activists look bad.
@@jondovik6250 shut up boomer
Black Star Nicker?
The biggest thing that gets me, is that conspiracy theorists never realize you’re not interested, and just keep going.
People who demand solid evidence and logical argument before they believe their government are just stupid.
Exactly this one conspiracy theorist I talked to really thought I was interested in what they were saying but really I wanted to know what was wrong with them.
Literally happened to me earlier today with my Mum. I was learning how the World Economic Forum is getting ready to steal all my stuff.
@@paradigm7582 that's called "being interested in them"
@@quantumblur_3145 Nah I wasn’t interested im saying they just sounded brain dead
My question to conspiracy believers is always: "How do you know for sure that your favorite conspiracy, isn't part of a another conspiracy to trick you?"
Come on eh. Just say what kind of chicks fall for this line? Let's go try it on some smart hip cute chicks and see if they fall for this rubbish. Then the loser says, yeah, maybe the smart chicks are too smart for this dribble. They'll always admit that only airheads chicks fall for conspiracies, for some mysterious reason. The Incels say that THAT'S a conspiracy!
Do me a favor and look into the actual documents of things like mkultra that our government actually apologized publicly for and the ufo “conspiracy“ yes flat earth conspiracy’s are stupid. And so are a lot. But things like the ufo issue and mkultra were real enough for our government to take seriously and look into. When you mix up stuff like flat earthers with stuff like mkultra mind control your calling that a lie to. It makes me think you haven’t done your homework. Cause if you did you wouldn’t bunch all of these up into one big lie. It shows you haven’t even taken the time to check before you speak.
@@juliadesillers995 they didn’t even say MK Ultra was a conspiracy…..it’s no secret that the CIA tried mind controlling experiments. Most people will agree with you on that because it actually happened
Not a conspiracy theorist but one way to know such a thing is to look into controlled opposition controlled opposition is when truth is told but lies are put in or when the truth is told but said people/group do very shady/dubious things or the making of there group is suspect. One Example would be Alex Jones or Q anon. If one thinks something is true but there is not much stuff backing it one should be open to change of info if shown.
@@frillylily8005 how can we be sure you are not a cia plant
What if I told you you can pronounce German words without shouting
no you can't. it's not true. The people who speak German calmly are just the big guys who want to make you THINK that speaking German normally is a possibility. Wake up Sheeple.
LOL! german is a crude language , you cant speak it without shouting
Preposterous! Next thing you'll be trying to tell us is you can pronounce German words without alternating between slamming your fists on a podium and raising your right arm into the air!
kind of made the whole video less attractive to watch. Plus Popper was Austrian.
ihr habt alle ein an der waffel..
Conspiracy theorists : "Insults will not make your argument better"
Also conspiracy theorists : Calls anyone who doesn't believe in his/her theories "sheeps"
Thats a figure of speech å METAPHOR. You May not like it but its not a insult
Jon Dovik
It’s an insult hun
Jon Dovik You’re saying that they believe in anything they here, BY CALLING THEM A SHEEP. a.k.a A insult
Not me and I'm not a conspiracy theorist. The ones I believe are true and they're conspiracies. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions.
Jon Dovik
no it's just an excuse when you have no evidence except for video compression glitch
As a wise man once said:
It is difficult to win a fight over a wise man
But it is impossible to win a fight over an idiot
So that's why people won't hear me out when I talk to them about why socialism and communism are actually good systems.
@@joseph_bunnyman318 I would actually agree on this
To some extend they do have some advantage but due to history of the past
People aint liking the systems due to the misuse done by the old gov or movement
And human can be greedy in that socialism or communism may failed if human failed to find common ground
It's not impossible, just throw a brick at the idiot and you'll win.
@@joseph_bunnyman318 i agree
@@azazel166 _hol up_
Me: Asks a conspiracy theorist for proof to their claims
Conspiracy theorist: NOPE DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH SHEEPLE LOL
Ikr?
Some of the proof they give your are questionable websites that do not even have author's names or references.
@@thabisoshale6423 I had one advertise an app.
@Lexi 93 Way to completely miss the point, conspiracy theorist…
@@RandomLime715 More like "conspiretard" - people who are too stupid to make up their own theories but do everything they can to support every existing theory, even if they know nothing about the actual case. Also generalizing conspiracy theories - like the conspiretards do - is extremely stupid. Even if the majority of them are utter horseshit, a few of them have actually been proven true.
Btw - Lexi 93 is one of the real flat earthers so explaining anything to that troll is just wasting time.
This is why I never argue with the comments section.
Or do you?
tothemax.blog/2017/12/27/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-theories/
tron3entertainment Because you're a sheep?
Miles Weinberg NO HES RIGHT
Same
Even if a flat Earther were to launch his own rocket into orbit, he'd say that NASA somehow hacked into has camera and changed the images.
Funny thing i acually saw a video yesterday where a crazy flat earther in a attempt to disprove launched himself with his own homemade rocket.
He apparently did not get high enough and was in for a hard landing.
@@fenrir9404 Pity Darwinism didn't kick in.
His genes are clearly unfit for survival.
@@ArmoredChocoboLPs yep can say that, but i somehow I sort of liked that guy, he had a nickname along the likenes of Mad Mike or something.
Hilarious actually he fit the stereotype like a mad scientist/inventor so well.
I cant believe was smart and skilled enough to build his own rocket, but dumb enough to believe the world is flat.
Darwinism probably will kick in tough I think he intended to build a new rocket and try again.
@@fenrir9404
Totally! How dumb to question what you are told. No reason to look for answers yourself, just trust the government! They NEVER lie!
@@dennish3962 edgelord
"I do my own research"
* aggressively joins 273 different essential oil Facebook groups *
That research is also done through their favourite source, CZcams University, the echo chamber that cannot be silenced
HAHAHAH 273 different essential oil facebook groups LOOOL
you think all conspiracy theorists are flat earthers , but The real interesting ones are historians, and the ones interested in political science. They can tell you what a sheep is . People that trust the governments are the dumbest people in the world .
Essential oils are not a conspiracy theory, are traditional medicine with science proven benefits, there are many research papers about them. Also is a problem when people are ignorant on a subject and believe they know about it, the Dunning-Krueger effect.
Cognitive dissonance is marked by an unwillingness to research or investigate.
Ironically I’ve seen this term before but haven’t researched it or investigated it, but this actually makes a lot of sense.
@@shilzblz5602 there’s roughly 3.4k examples in these comments.
I would say that research and investigation leads to cognitive dissonance. If people would simple demand solid evidence and logical argument before they believe anything important , none of the gaslighting like we find in this video would be effective.
@@Lordslothable people do research all the time. But any evidence that doesn’t fit your narrative gets thrown out.
It’s the same way flat earthers think ALL scientists are lying about the shape of the planet for over 4 centuries but happily accept obscure sources saying the contrary.
@@amuroray9115 one of a shills tricks is to simply accuse others of hand waving while hand waving themselves. It’s the same way all the awful authorities act as you for example are acting now. On a controlled forum like CZcams you’re gung ho but come debate me on a neutral forum and you won’t show.
You just gotta one up them and say 'you believe in earth'? or 'you believe that metal tubes can fly'?
Just Thomas ha you think earth is flat I think the earth is a triangle
Just Thomas You believe in shapes?
TheLordFlygon - You believe in existence?
The earth is obviously shaped like a goat.
You believe in beliefs?
meet conspiracy theorists with weirder conspiracies
nutjob: 'moon landing was fake'
me: 'pfff you believe in the moon? or space?'
You believe in Earth?
Solipsistic theory says all the senses could be lying and my own mind is the only thing I know for sure exists, of course outside evidence I observe with my senses show me even my own mind can be messed with(false memories, vulnerable to manipulation through drugs, strong magnetic fields and/or electrical fields).
So obviously the only logical conclusion is that nothing is real, not even my own mind, everything is a giant conspiracy to trick me(who isn't really real) into thinking it's all real(which it's clearly not, unless my mind is being messed with in which case it could be, or not, I'm not sure why more).
Wake up sheeple!
@@scragar The only this that's real is I'm a sheep. Baaah... Baaahhh..
@DAVID SHARP And I'm a flying purple people eater! You idiot! Multiple sources? You statement is funamentaly contradictory. There was no government doing anything before the dinosaurs. Too rediculous.
How original of you.
@DAVID SHARP Excuse me... What country are you. I just have to dial some coordinates into this icbm.
I have a roommate whos believes every conspiracy theory, trying to keep a conversation is impossible without him jumping frome one theory to another without even been related with one another..
Yes my 6 year old daughter mum. It's causing huge problem for me at moment. It certainly is very dangerous some of stuff is off d believe,,nuts d lot of them off the scale idoit s. 😵😵
Yo help me my brain started to believe that the world is simulation and everytime i try to come to my senses it always have an answers to prove that the world we live in is fake and a simulation by alien
@@dutcharmy Go to your doctor and tell them about it. The doctor may have you visit a psychaitrist that can help you further. Do it as soon as possible.
@@dutcharmy LMAO
@@dutcharmy you're probably having early symptoms of schizophrenia when you cant think clearly and get diffuses with illogical thinking. Next thing you know you will start talking to ghost people that you can only see
Some nut jobs believe that a perfectly sound building can't collapse into its own footprint without being hit by an aeroplane or an earthquake or a team of proffesional demolitions experts ..i'm glad your common sense reasoning pointed that out to me
I used a little to much lighter fluid on my barbecue grill and it just collapsed in to a small pile of debris, I quickly cleaned it up and took it to a recycling center, in China. So office fires can take down tall buildings, took down three in one day, at close to free fall speed.
to this day I dont understand how people can still believe the official narrative on 9/11
But what if you're a lizard alien???
this whole "science" thingy is just an alien coverup
Bruno Bruno that's a good question
Well, in that case, you're in on a very exclusive joke. Enjoy laughing at everyone else who believes otherwise. Or, you could openly come out as a lizard alien, and literally blow the minds of everyone on Earth.
Bruno Bruno who cares. People will hate you pointlessly
W A I T
what if jfk's neck just exploded, on its own
Oh my god this man is a genuis
Woah, a complete genius! Are you a wizard?
@@ner6503 what if it was a Hollywood stage
No, JFK was shot.
Paradise City
/kill
nobody:
conspiracy theorists when they can't find their sock: *Bill Gates.*
@Heisenburger lol
LMAO
When they can't see their house keys, they're gonna think about Bill Gates stealing their house keys.
lol! 🤣
You’re hilaryass 💀 maybe start a comedy club
this comment section is a crossfire between conspiracy theorists, christians, trolls, sane people and bots.
I know, it's hilarious and also depressing at the same time.
@Random User we know the rich a-holes lie to us about a lot of things. Most of the lies are glaringly obvious to everyone and can be chalked up to "who's kissing which politician/corporation's toes to secure power."
There are some things too mundane for them to bother lying about.
It's not exactly that Newton's theory of gravity or Darwin's theory of evolution could one day be proven wrong, it's more accurate to say that one day a better theory could emerge that better explains reality. It's about developing a theory that is MORE accurate in explaining reality. Doesn't mean Newton's theory isn't correct in explaining certain aspects of reality, it means that newer theories better account for reality.
Obviously that's not to say that these theories can't be proven wrong, if a hominid fossil is discovered in the Jurassic, that will of course change things but that hasn't happened so..
Exactly. He doesn't really know what he is talking about.
Jesse Rudolph Very good point actually, I remember hearing an argument like the one I made years ago in a Dawkins book called 'The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution' that mentioned a rabbit fossil being discovered in the wrong layer of rock. But you're right, it wouldn't disprove all the other separate fields of evidence for evolution and it would simply mean that science is updated to match the discovery and the theories are then just shifted around accordingly, if anything.
sixmam I like the way you think about that.
50flamingbottles didn’t account for the universal constant. That’s why mercury didn’t fit into the calculations made by using his equation.
To be fair, MK Ultra was real.
To be fair, there's a difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory.
Watergate was a real conspiracy.
Chemtrails are not.
Difference...
@@Cod4Wii Mk ultra was at one time considered a Crazy conspiracy theory as was watergate, the gulf of tonkin and many other theories that turned in to just plain conspiracy facts.
@@neardeathexperiencesndepar1706 but the true ones are put forward by actual smart people while these days, the people greedy for money attention are putting forward stupid ideas and people are believing it, that's the bad part. :(
Here's the thing. The term "conspiracy theorist" is a quite useful tool for gaslighting those who question something they shouldn't question. And the louder the-Earth-is-flat-birds-arent-real types of "conspiracy theorists" become, the easier it is to label literally anything as a "conspiracy" and dismiss people who look into it as "crazy conspiracy lovers". Yeah, there are a lot of people who see patterns that are not actually there, but there are also a lot of people who dismiss anything that threaten their peace of mind. And I would argue the second type is even more dangerous than those who we usually call "conspiracy theorists".
Vast majority of “conspiracy theories” bank on my people’s fear and ignorance. Making them more gullible than the ones they call “sheep.”
Very interesting thing, since among the conspiracy theories named in the video is „CIA mind control“, which they absolutely tried to achieve
Just trust the government bro
@@christiantaylor1495 Ok mr knowledge
Yes! Its a logical fallacy to compare “earth is flat” idiots, with genuinely intelligent and reasonable people who examine Twitter Files and see govt corruption. The latter is credible/proven
MK Ultra was real though...
Uh.. no
Mystery Meme Declassified CIA documents and first hand accounts of it can be found with a quick search on google
Mystery Meme Also, most documents regarding the experiments were destroyed in 1973 so we will never know the full scope of what the CIA was doing
*YOU FOOLS! DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS VIDEO* *HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE REAL IF OUR EYES ARE NOT REAL?*
what they aren't?! damjt! then j will have to use j's now :(
Wake up sheeple!
Nekogami-Crystal thjs made me chuckle. thanks for the laugh, good sjr
oh Jaden you wacky ol weirdo in a dress...
*HOW CAN WE WALK IF TOES AREN'T REAL?!?!?!!?*
Yea, cuz there never has been crazy conspiracy theories that turned out to be true... oh wait..
You know what they say. It’s impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.
Still holds
What about now with microships developed by John Hopkins and the Microsoft project to use body data to mine crypto currency ?
@@thomasf4764 What?
Yup. Even if you do technically win the argument they just puff their chests and claim victory on a basis such as getting in the last word or presenting speculation as proof🤦♂️
Never trust a conspiracy theorist who says "Do the research!"
my dad in a nutshell
Nothing like a good old shifting of the burden of proof
@@Jacob-ry3lu more like people are too lazy to look it up? I mean if 2 people both have the internet, why does one have to wait for a reply with a link when that same website will come up with a search??
@@aries6663
My mom in nutshell.
@@prettypants4824 my response to that is "the burden of proof is on the claimant". Not my job to prove your claims, that's on you...
OR I'll google "debunking" and have at them....
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. " - Christopher Hitchens
Paramdeep Singh obheroi USS liberty
I frankly haven’t seen a “conspiracy theory” that I agree with that lacks evidence.
Most conspiracy theories are in that category.
Profound!
Shane Dawson's career is dependent on these theories!
Smarajit Chakraborty he hasn’t posted one in A MONTH 😩
I NEED MORE SHANE CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Smarajit Chakraborty not really
i came here for this exact reason. i love him so so so so much but most of the time he's really ignorant about scientific explanations to things so he just say that they're conspiracy theories.
Ye-
Yeah
Sure it is
Smarajit Chakraborty USS liberty
Vincent Bugliosi said it best: "Conspiracists always have a better story."
and that's why they always manage to grab people
Its okay to question and wonder when u see something is not adding up
Its wrong to denie the facts
thank you
@@daniell5740 But what if it's not adding up though? That's the whole point.
@@vercetti_03 Then it's not adding up. But you only go _a little_ further to see if something works, not jump straight into "camera has bad zoom --> moon is tots a hologram." Say, funding for something doesn't add up. It's a lot more likely some party somewhere is embelishing a little than it is the funds are going to some sort of whacky super secret project.
No, most likely to someone's new car or something.
The simpler, the better. Incompetence is also more likely then malice. Sheer coincidence than plan. If there's some plan it'll derail and/or leak out sooner or later.
@@Olivia-W I definitely agree, but tin foil heads would always say that there's no such thing as a coincidence and any real evidence is actually a cover up, so you just can't argue with them.
Is it just me or has the term Conspiracy Theory gotten out of hand?
Nope, it was designed this way so that conspiracy theories would web off each other creating an ever expanding tangent so that what really goes on in the world gets buried beneath it all making it impossible to know what it is true and what is not.
@@nrico6666 It's a trigger word
You mean follow like sheep
Because they can. Also it’s mainly neurotypicals who follows conspiracy theories. You probably only talk to one community.
@@nrico6666 No it was used by the government to call out people who thought JFK'S assassination was a real conspiracy and they just brushed it off calling them conspiracy theorist.
The CIA even said that mk ultra really happened. lol.
@What is TRUTH? Podcast, FOLLOW IT! huge difference between actual investigators investigating actual events and finding evidence of a conspiracy than some right wing paranoid simpletons on CZcams seeing conspiracies everywhere and believing everyone else is stupid for not believing them .
“hey, The Illuminati said the Illuminati doesnt exist, It Must be true”
@@ayoutubechannel1413 "hey, no one has proven the Illuminati exists , so when people say it doesn't exist , that isn't proof it exists".
@@5GCHEMTRAILVACCINESFORBATS Altough their is Tons Of Proof it exists
@@ayoutubechannel1413 yep, CZcams conspiracy videos are always an amazing non biased objective form of evidence .
Building 7 of the WTC! How did a 46 storey building crumble into dust?
exactly, the head security guard who was in the buildings heard post-explosions after the entire plane exploded, he said it sounded like not explosions but like dull gunshots
@@theRealUmpZY all I ask is just to give this video a try dude czcams.com/video/nP3TNHPCIVU/video.html
"The earth is flat."
Me: Ha, you believe in the earth?
Wake up sheeple
Quantum physics proves that our world is rendered similar to video games based on our input.
Double slit experiment
@Crow You believe in simulations, sheep?
The night sky is a giant dome and the moon is a hologram
Do not compare JFK's assignation to the flat earth theory.
Assignation! Hahahaha. Auto-correct strikes again.
Arguing with silly people?
All of them have theories... -_-
Whats idubz doing in the thumbnail
Ever since I started wearing a tin foil hat, I no longer believe in conspiracy theories.
"It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s impossible to win an argument with a stupid person" (Bill Murray)
dude i have seen that quote for ages man 15th like congrats and i really love the bill murray quote that i got adicted to it until the "the victor is not victorious if the vanquished doesnt consider himself so" -ennius
I don’t think that pointing out the FBI is corrupt in 2022, is exactly in the same league as claiming the earth is flat or that birds don’t exist. Lmao 😂 Call me crazy I guess.
I mean, it’s literally scientifically proven that birds exist, and that the earth is round. There’s a ton of proof on this. You have to be crazy not to understand that.
On the other hand, there’s also a lot of proof proving that the FBI is, yes, in fact, corrupt. Elon musk is rich, and a billionaire, a genius, and he provided the Twitter files. Proving that the FBI is extremely corrupt, and that they paid Twitter. That’s not a conspiracy, it’s a fact People tried to claim that the hunter Biden laptop was a conspiracy theory… It turns out that the FBI knew it was true, and even went over scenarios with Twitter about what they would do if the story came out. Pointing out government corruption is not a conspiracy theory, it’s not nearly the same as claiming that aliens are real or that birds don’t exist. Jesus. There have been government corruption in dozens of countries, going back thousands of years. I would almost say every country has some level of corruption. In the USA is quickly getting more immoral and more corrupt.
CIA is actually true though, they did at least try. The program was called MK Ultra, and is public knowledge.
Martin Johnsrud They did try to program and control minds via the use of LSD and other mind-altering chemicals. What the conspiracy theorists go silent on however, is how successful these tests were ...which is not very. All they need is the idea of governmental bodies experimenting in mind control techniques and that's the hook that reels in the fish. Just like myth requires a little bit of truth to hold the foundations, such does the conspiracy theory.
What did they try? You sound dumb because you said "they" tried but you never said that "they" tried. What part of the CIA is true? Do you mean the CIA does exist or do you mean an argument in the video is true about the CIA? And who tried? You used too many pronouns for your comment to make sense at all. It's like if I said, "They're right, so the reason is true because they confirmed." Please fill in these blanks so people understand what you're trying to say.
The CIA ____________________ is actually true though, ____________________ did at least try ____________________. ____________________ program was called MK Ultra, and ____________________ is public knowledge. Therefore, ____________________.
+Alan Heyes
While it is true that them trying isn't enough to believe that they succeeded. It is equally true that them saying that they failed isn't a good enough reason to believe that they actually failed. At the very least, it may be good idea not to dismiss theories about it out of hand without thought and just look at the evidence people provide.
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MischievousMoo they tried using lsd and tourture for "mind control" but it never worked. Conspiracy theorists will say otherwise but yeah
Very intriguing and informative video, however its only biased towards dumb conspiracy theorist instead of actual conspiracy journalists. Their is a big difference and usually have a large assortment of evidence than rather a small theroy or judgement.
@Marius Marin that is a fair point
Agreed, it’s annoying how they’re trying to group people who are skeptical of JFK’s assassination with people who genuinely believe the earth is flat
@@yaduwn8844 people are too unforgiving with alternative perspectives these days, the polarisation of people who are left field is disgusting
@@yaduwn8844 fk off both of those are linked to illuminati
@@rybak908 Because they barely come with credible evidence. You cant make bold claims without any evident or by giving out half of the information, smh.
"The Rotary Club runs the IMF!"
"Shapeshifting aliens run the local school board!"
"Earth is both hollow AND flat!"
Meanwhile, Tuskegee, Iran-contra and operation paperclip actually happened. The conspiracy hypothesisists cant even identify conspiracy. Get a job.
If it's real, they aren't interested. They have to be more "woke" then that.
tone deaf duck vampire mosquito I disagree immensely, the word “conspiracy theorist” has been run into the ground. If you believe anything that counters popularized news sources, then you are a “conspiracy theorist” and your opinion does not matter. Which is frankly ignorant.
@@gasslighterr The Term "Conspiracy Theorist" was invented by CIA as a psychological weapon after they assassinated Kennedy, to attack people who were questioning the official narrative
"Conspiracy Theorist" - Someone who questions the statements of people or institutions that have a history of deception
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"Conspiracy analysts" for me, is preferable to "conspiracy theorists"
Pinostuf I agree
@@pinostuf9208 How about the term "armature political scientist"? Did you know that the science of classical logic hasn't been taught in our State controlled public schools for more than a century? The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto
I use to be one of these deluded people. I had a real self righteous almost arrogant attitude. I wouldn't listen to people. My beliefs at the time could be easily debunked. I finally saw the light so to speak abit embarrassing. Its important to listen and show empathy to these people. Good to have some good sources you can correct them with listen to people with expertise etc it's pretty simple not some guy in a shed!
I'm not sure u can ever change a die hard conspiracy believer. Who cares there idoits anyway. End of !
can you tell me what you did to clear your mind up? my boyfriend is way too far down the rabbit hole and impossible to reason with and i have no idea what to do. it caused a legitimate big argument which was resolved but seeing him still feed into it still causes a lot of stress. i’ve even held off getting the vaccine because i’m scared of what his reaction would be if i get it. sorry if this is a lot but this is kind of a cry for help in a way and will take any advice
so, did man ever walk on the Moon?
@@halle8030 Did you end up breaking up?
@@gamblerofrats nah we’re still together, everything in our relationship is going super well! i know he still believes in that kind of stuff tho, i’m like 90% sure he fell into it because he just wants to feel like he’s some woke god who’s ahead of the time so he can tell people “i told you so” LOL but he knows not to try to push those kinds of beliefs on me now which is why it’s been working out
Wired and Alex, please make a playlist of this series. This is a wonderfully informative and educational playlist one could save and return to. Thanks in advance!
says evolution is a good and solid theory - commences showing a wrong depiction of evolution. gj
define "wrong". The depiction doesn't tell the entire story but it isn't wrong.
it is wrong, for example, the last two "stages" of the depiction: the neanderthal and the homo sapien existed at the same time. even the creator of the original said that it is not a realistic representation of the evolution. there is a nice video about it from SciShow
theres a lot of proved to be true conspiracies regarding evolution: Piltdown man, fossil fabrication/engravers, giant bones, missapropiation of fossils, giant trees remains cut down during the industrial revolution in the 18th cen.
this was such a brief video that diluted everything and proved nothing.
None of the stages in the video were labeled with anything so how can you say any of those were neanderthals? Those drawings are just approximations to get the idea across, they aren't meant to be super accurate depictions of specific hominids.
I'm more concerned by the claim that Sir Issac Newton was "mostly wrong". His model is still perfectly reasonable for most applications and the refinements offered by quantum mechanics are rarely required in most 'real world' settings. I'd also love to see this channel provide the quote where Newton claims that he had "locked down the laws of physics".
Conspiracy theorists are generally narcissistic poster children for the Dunning-Kruger Effect. They can, and should, be ignored. But lazy science media outlets are just as problematic. Although they get the major points, I find it difficult to excuse their sloppiness.
Terms like "conspiracy theorists" are labels that automatically dismiss any challenge against the mainstream belief as "stupid and naive" All these lables separate us as a people and make us think we know what other people actually believe.
Yeah, but if someone tells me what they believe then I do know some of their beliefs. And if those beliefs are presented with garbage evidence and at the same time a ton of passion...I'm gonna call it like it is.
There term conspiracy theorist exist because there are people are willing to accept claims without any evidence. Or they make up unscientific evidence using big science-y words that draws laymen in. It's dangerous and it needs to stop.
Conspiracy Theories that turned out to be true (condensed short list)
People were labeled crazy conspiracy theorists for believing these things. They all turned out to be true. What were once conspiracy theories are now conspiracy facts.
Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag
CIA running cocaine that fueled the LA crack epidemic
1932 -1933 Failed coup plot by the ultra rich against FDR, exposed by United States Marine Corps General Smedley Butler
Germans taking out ads in newspapers trying to warn the people not to board the Lusitania because it would be attacked WW1
The Lusitania transporting munitions and weapons to be used against the Germans WW1
The U.S. giving amnesty to Japanese doctors that performed horrific medical experiments on Chinese civilians Unit 731 unit731.org/
American soldiers guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan
MK-Ultra Mind control
Operation Mockingbird
“Operation Nor thWoo d”
Biological weapons testing on unsuspecting Americans
The U.S. government illegally spying on its own citizens
The tobacco industry covering up the dangers of smoking
@@sophorajaponica1 Now let's talk about conspiracy theories that aren't true...
The CIA made this so. They spent big money on this project and it has worked ever since.
Is it just me or has Anyone noticed that CZcams stopped endorsing conspiracy theories. Like if I type in conspiracy theories, u dont get that much shane dawson videos, u just get titles that say " top ten most ridiculous conspiracy theories" or the "psychology of conspiracy theorist" or "conspiracy theories debunked". They want us to stop questioning and wondering lol . I mean just think about it ever since the area 51 meme got viral, videos on youtube just seem to make a joke of conspiracy theories. Idk its just a thought 🤔🤔🤷♀️👽👽
It's not just that they stopped endorsing them, they have also been deleting videos and even channels that question the official narrative on some issues. YT has also enacted the program of shadow banning comments on videos.
Yes let's clump all conspiracy theories into a single pile. Stop questioning things slaves!
People who demand sloid evidence and logical argument before believing their government are so stupid.
@@williamspringer9447 But that's not what a Conspiracy Theorist is, and that's not what the video is referring to.
This guy´s obviusly an illuminati
I assume you're joking but there are people this stupid.
That sounds suspiciously like something a lizard person would say.
ALIIIEEEEEEENNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!
Oh come on. Don't be stupid. That's just silly. The lizard people are transdimensional not extraterrestrial. Duh.
Obviously! Didn't you notice he wore illuminati-approved glasses?
you guys ever heard of propoganda?
I’m a survivor of conspiracy theorist thinking.
For 8 years I was hard core believing it, and spreading it (successfully)
Then one day I felt honour bound to watch a 9/11 inside job debunking video.
Despite my growing insecurity I watch it, and never felt to stupid and smart in my life. The fact they claim it fell at free fall speed when you can actually see other objects not connected to the tower, FALLING FASTER THAN THE TOWER. Those objects are falling at free fall acceleration, and the building is falling slower than that.
One of there main arguments destroyed by merely looking at the video and knowing a tiny little bit of physics. It’s scary how many times I watched that footage thinking i was seeing a free fall collapse, when the evidence disproving it was also in the video. I didn’t see it ofcourse because 1) no conspiracy videos mentioned this and 2) deep down I didn’t wanna be wrong and know I’ve wasted 8 years.
But I’ll say wasting 8 years believing in BS is better than wasting 9.
You're concerned with the way the building fell? Research history, family.
@@10XSeiga I’m sorry, what?
Sorry I’m not a cryptographer I can’t decipher your reply…
@@jimmy2k4o You forgot the part where BBC said that WTC7 fell down 20min before it actually did.
I like the way the government scooped up all the wreckage of 9/11 and destroyed it: completely against State law. They obviously had nothing to hide. People who demand solid evidence and logical argument before they believe extraordinary claims by their government are such fools.
@@williamspringer9447 you mean how the government spent weeks to months cleaning up the wreckage? They didn’t “scoop” it up in one go.
What law are you talking about?
Misconstruing and misinterpreting different sources doesn’t make for good evidence. At all
0:36 half of these conspiracy theories you listed are real and everyone knows that
It's important for people to question mainstream information and try to dig up the bad things kept out of sight. If we just buy into everything we're told we can easily be deceived.
100%. Crazy conspiracy theories are annoying. Swallowing government-approved pablum without question is a disaster.
Dash X what would you say is a crazy conspiracy theory? ; flat earth I would consider as crazy.
Agree.
Right but..it's going to drag you into a rabbit hole and you might not find your way out
@@silvervixen007 The government rabbit hole is arguably worse.
That's not how any intelligent person who's eyes are open proves his/her theories.
big facts, the scientific method is for squares and losers. i just grab a bullhorn, my crack pipe and go to town on that mother in the town square
I just got out of this thinking. I am so grateful!
That's so impressive. I've rarely heard of that. Congratulations. Welcome back. 👍
This suggests that everyday thinking which can be disproved by doing 5 minutes of research is concrete truth, like when you don't know anything about the subject but think you're right because of what you thought growing up
Wiki?
Therein lies the rub: there is so much misinformation at everyone's fingertips that "credible" sources are hard to find.
look up the definition of a conspiracy. they happen all the time. however the outlandish ones dilute the waters of valuable debate.
So you classify someone as conspiracy theorist just because he revision something? This is the most superficial way to start an argument. Just listen to people, bring proofs and logic. Then we will see
The CIA confirmed Area 51's existence in 2013 tho lol
CIA spent big money on making conspiracy as a nut job and shove people under the bus. They did not want people looking at what they were hiding. So people shining lights on topics the Gov did not want lit up were now titled Conspiracy nuts and don't listen to anything they have to say. Interesting the power of the Gov.
9/11?
Do some research on "Operation NorthWoods". Some distinct similarities with the plan, and also the motive.
The only conspiracy theory I fully believe is that Aliens have made contact or landed on Earth already
@Sonic2004 there’s no concrete evidence though. It’s highly possible that Aliens have touched Earth but we have no evidence or trace of it. Could have even happened long before all of us were born.
don't forget the classic "I drew you as the Soyjak therefore me am good"
It depends on how well reasoned a theory is. There are also folks who discredit and ridicule any suspicion as a „conspiracy theory“ as if there had never been any.
The government and media never lie.
@@7sons484 , No they have never ever lied, and corporations would never lie or deceive you for profit, they have your best interests at heart.
This video is disgusting generalization. Not all of us believe in obviously-false stuff like flat Earth
In some things he’s right. There shouldn’t be made generalizations in either direction. Each case is a case for itself. A judge also wouldn’t say any accusation made in court is pointless..
I am a conspiracy theorist and I totally agree with you. The difference between me and MOST of conspiracy theorists is that I am more open-minded.
@All hail Biden
I totally agree! I am also very scientificly educated, therefore I try to be as reasonable as I can.
@All hail Biden or that Israel had a very heavy hand with that one thing that happened the morning a year and nine months after Y2K that’s not unverifiable seeing as the report made mention they knew of said event beforehand
Demanding sloid evidence and properly reasoned arguments before believing your government/media/academia is just stupid.
@@TimCizej137 it’s spelt ‘scientifically’. The fact that you can’t even spell the word makes me doubt your claim.
@@brwhizz3060 Sorry, I can speak 4 languages.
Getting into an argument with conspiracy theorists is like a game of "I know you are, but what am I?!"
Yeah, people who demand solid evidence and logical argument before they believe their government are just stupid.
@@williamspringer9447 yeah, and people who doubt internet commenters that try and refute solid proof/evidence, and don't begotten the folks who question experts/doctors/scientists and believe they have all the answers to everything while using the "don't trust the government cliché... They're just sheep, aren't they?! 😂
@@everythingbobbywolfe What? I was agreeing with you.
@@williamspringer9447 To bad conspiracy theriosts never have either of those or else they might be correct.
generalizing is an error...stigmatizing is worse ...be skeptic is good for thinking..cuestion ewerything!
"If a theory is not falsifiable it's not worth debating" - While I agree with this statement in a scientific setting, there are still topics where this does not necessarily apply, for instance religion or philosophy.
Great video by the way, some nice ammunition to combat conspiracy theorists, or at least know when it's time to just stop arguing with them.
or politics
why is that?
+DawnOfErik
+bannana live vest
I honestly don't know much on this subject, but the guy in the video is talking about empiricism. Science is built on empiricism, so nothing that isn't empirical is science. There are, however, two alternative philosophical theories that are incompatible with empiricism. This is the reason the rule on being falsifiable doesn't necessarily apply to philosophy and religion.
If you are debating if something is or is not true, then your theory absolutely must be falsifiable, or you cannot make a distinction between your theory being true or complete garbage. It does not matter what type of problem you are discussing, if you cant falsify your theory, you might as well not have one.
Fun factoid, if you look up definitions for "delusion", there is usually explicit exception for religions.
+aleksander suur
Whom are you replying to? CZcams's comment system often results in confusion.
If you are replying to my comment, I actually agree with you. I'm afraid I may not have quite conveyed what I meant very well.
Epstein island?
And now most of these theories are reality 😂😂😂
😂😂🤣 Exactly WAKEUP SHEEPLEE!!!!
OMG ancient aliens was a documentary after all
President Biden was created in a lab right next door to the moon landing fakery studio wake up ppl 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐
OMG!!!!1 yuUS right!!!
One of the few times i really actually agree with WIRED... As they are just as a conspiratorial regarding societal morality and the science of humanity... There are so few people that actually understand the whole rather than partial facts or sciences.
What about the science of classical logic which hasn't been taught in our State controlled public schools for more than a century? The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto
Yeah, it's not like the CIA admitted to MK Ultra or anything...
And?
Operation Northwoods
Read that and then look at 9/11
@@ihateeverything3972 I read all those a long time ago.
@@thevitruvianman9781
So do you just not learn?
So if one conspiracy theory is true all are true thats pretty stupid
Oh u can't have a conversation with these people iQ is very low
I am living with a family member that is a conspiracy theorist. We can’t even drink water in peace without a rant on population control.
The best takedown of a conspiracy theorist is the fact that they use other CZcamsr videos as the basis for their "research".
Powerful people don't simply get to power by just letting things happen..
that said
lee harvey killing kenedy sounds ridiculous when you look into it
Would someone please show this to the group of thousands of architects and engineers who were crazy enough to actually question the governments 9/11 theory. Then show it to the pilots and firefighters who formed groups to question the governments theory/version of events.
Yeah, maybe those guys can explain why the science of classical logic hasn't been taught in our State controlled public schools for more than a century. The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto
Which group was that?
The argument is a waste of time because it's not going anywhere.
Some conspiracy theory have merit..I'm not arguing...just saying
Psychology gives the word "theory" a bad name.
Seth Mitchell They played their degrees and you played their game
"Theory" means different things in a scientific context compared to an everyday context. The problem with psychology is that it is a soft science, even the experimental type. Psychology has a habit of getting into "oughts" rather then "is", or prescriptive rather then descriptive and get contaminated by ideology and the psychological character and dysfunction of its researchers and clinicians.
If humans were totally rational and objective psychology could avoid the pitfalls of its soft science but then there would be no psychology as such to study. So psychology can be said to be the study of how it is necessarily unable to study its own subject matter in a hard scientific way.
What are you talking about? A theory is respected as such if it allows for falsification. Psychologist just try to make sense of the situation like everyone else... sometimes their theories are unworthy given new findings or another theory described/predicted better... Psychology is about 140 yearls old making it an incredibly young science. The others already payed their deuce hundreds of years agos, so got rid of pioneering (rough) theories... also, unscientific theories are battled for more than the last 100 years in Psychology...
Funny video considering the Pentagon just realised videos of UFOs...
One of my friends is a conspiracy theorist and he freaking believes that The Matrix is a documentary 😂😂😂
Pls warn his parents. It might be funny now, but it gets worse and worse. believing in Conspiracy theories can make serious mental issues in the long run.
@@user-dk9dx3xb2t I'm going to laught at that
Actually it's more of an idea about the future. VR is the future.
@@everythangtexas ???
A great video convincing those with differing opinions to stop conversing with each other.
It just the title calm down
Who wants to converse with someone delusional ?
@@olamideadesina3164 Still, it's a bad message to send.
@@dommiedarkoh8816 lf you are vaccinated you should apply independent critical thought in future 😀
It's easy to argue with conformists on the other hand. Just pick up a paper and you get all their thoughts and views.
lol
hello quantum mechanics didn't disprove newton. It's just that newtonian physics works on a "human" scale while quantum mechanics works on an atomic scale. Newtonian physics and Quantum mechanics are complimentary. Otherwise good video.
The Conspiracy Theorists on here defending themselves are hilarious 😂
Have you studied critical thinking? How many of Aristotle's books have you read?
@@christiantaylor1495 I'll take a shot everytime you mention Aristotle when you comment.
What if I were to tell you that we don't shout out every single word und Germany ?
you would probably be lying
NEIN!
It's easy to claim something is false by denying it. Research logic!
I had a roommate who believe in everything he found on the internet, let me tell you these people need professional help, if you even try to argue with them they will picture you as a villain cause they can't back up their claims
Why do you characterize people like this? This is dangerous. Everyone in general questions narratives every single day. Some people just choose to question big ideas, theories, etc. Only a few people actually have mental disorders in conjunction with conspiracies. But, you are characterizing everyone and anyone who questions things we define as 'normal truths' as nut jobs.
The reason is because the vast majority of conspiracies are just crazy junk. But you're right; generalization makes it harder for the right information to come to light.
"oh look there's this evidence that supports my conspiracy theory!"
what to reply: "ok I'll use your own argument against you then. How can you prove the validity of your source?"
or if you want you can just slide down into a very simple evidence (takes some thinking to realise it): there is one thing in the universe that is undeniable: your own existence. Everything else might just be your senses fooling you.
Ok do you mind debating the Syrian gas crisis? Where Assad their beloved leader is winning a war but at the same time is gassing his own people. Apparently this argument that Assad is more innocent than not is considered a “conspiracy theory” as it counters what popular UK, US, and French media. Which sources such as Msnbc have referred to Assad as a “war criminal” for killing his own people. Even though there is countless examples of evidence that disproves Assad to be a “war criminal.” One example or false flag being the “white hats” that immediately went to save Syrian civilians in a gas attack, these “white hat” saviors were in fact apart of Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda being the ones who gassed the civilians originally. The war Assad is fighting is against Muslim extremists, that are funded by America. However, popular news sources in the Us refer to these extremists as “moderate rebels”. I could go on for hours about how Assad is more innocent than guilty and that Us, the Uk, and France are to blame, but since it’s not in accordance with popularized news sources, such as CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. I am considered a conspiracy theorists. A tin foil hat wearer if you will. Which in essence is ignorance at its finest.
gasslighterr youre right, being a conspiracy theorist IS ignorance at its finest
@@gasslighterr Do you have first-hand access to the documents surrounding said events?
@@shin-ishikiri-no do you listen to bladee?
This is where one of my favorite philosophical razors come in: Alder’s Razor also known as Newton’s flaming laser sword, “If something cannot be settled by experiment or observation then it is not worthy of debate.”
TurboniumAlt Yeah except that conspiracy theories are falsifiable. At least the ones that were mentioned, though I can’t think of any that wouldn’t be. It’s just that the information isn’t easily available to the public for one reason or another. It doesn’t mean that it’s not out there.
Wait! Conspiracies aren't real? I'm confused.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Warren Commission say that one bullet ricocheted (did I spell it right?) an absurd amount of times, therefore climbing that it was all done by a single sniper?
I'm a conspiracy theorist and I have no problem with people questioning my views; what I hate is when they dismiss things outright without even allowing a chance for debate.
And I'm not one of those people who thinks reptilians are taking over the world. I just like to entertain ideas that are somewhat outlandish but fun to think about. It annoys me when people act like my ideas aren't valid, yet they are too close-minded to give them a chance.
I don't see how thinking this way is illogical.
Do you ever question the inherent absurdity of a lot of those theories?
I would rather debate things that are not ridiculous in the first place. Otherwise it is a waste of time. I know pigs cant fly so I have little use in debate.
@@brwhizz3060 Depends on the theory. Maybe stop conflating them all.
Yeah agreed. Being open minded helps a lot...but ppl are just very stubborn or say hardwired to be stubborn.
After arguing a conspiracy theorist im now stuck in a cycle where conspiracy theorists would talk all day about their tracker vaccine lmao
And if they had any Idea how the technology of today works, they'd realize why it would be a waste of time and money for any government agency to do that.
Why you shouldn't listen to gullible people? They always use flat earth to dismiss everything else that's true
Mind control.
Powderpuffs frolicking in fantasyland with their imaginary friends and ethics, friend.
Does this guy even know the history of the phrase "conspiracy theory"?
Anyone who does bother to look into it, stops using it.