White House Farm Murders: New Evidence 'Proves' Convicted Jeremy Bamber Didn't Massacre His Family
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- čas přidán 22. 02. 2024
- The case of Jeremy Bamber, convicted of the brutal murders of his family in 1985, has been a subject of intense scrutiny and debate for decades. Bamber, now 63 years old, has maintained his innocence since his imprisonment and has fought tirelessly to prove his innocence. The case, which involved the slaying of three generations of the Bamber family in the idyllic village of Tolleshunt Darcy in Essex, has raised questions about the reliability of the evidence that led to Bamber's conviction. With conflicting narratives and new evidence coming to light, the case continues to captivate and divide opinions.
In 1985, the Bamber family tragedy shocked the UK, as three generations of the family were shot 25 times at close range at their family home, the Whitehouse Farm. Jeremy Bamber was convicted and sentenced to a whole life tariff for the crimes. The sentencing judge described Bamber as "warped and evil beyond belief." However, Bamber has consistently claimed his innocence, attributing the murders to his paranoid schizophrenic adoptive sister, Sheila Caffell, who he alleges was alive in the house at the time of the killings.
The case has been marked by a series of appeals and investigations, with new evidence challenging the original conviction. One key point raised by Bamber's supporters is the presence of Sheila Caffell in the house after the police arrived, suggesting that she may have been the culprit. The discrepancies in the police logs and the handling of evidence have raised doubts about the integrity of the investigation and the reliability of the prosecution's case.
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It would have been far more educational and interesting if Bleksley hadn’t spent 70% of the time voicing his own, ill-informed opinion.
In the meantime, and as a retired Essex Police detective (I served after Bamber had been imprisoned), I personally know several of those officers involved in the Bamber case and I would not trust at least three of them one single inch. I know them to have lied, prevaricated, victimised and attempted (at least) to hide evidence. One of the ones who became senior to me put huge pressure on me to omit certain facts from a statement and to charge a man with a much lesser offence than that for which he had been arrested (abducting a child under the age of fourteen.) Some might say that the police case was bungled; I would go one further and say that it was deliberately skewed, to the detriment of the defendant.
No disrepect to you Sir, but my dealings with police over 50 years has instilled in me, that NONE of them I ever dealt with could be trusted.
@@lucymooch5821 - I’m really sorry to hear that but I don’t doubt what you say. Likewise, I would like you to accept that there are some really good and dedicated people in ‘the Job’ who would put their lives on the line for the public whom they serve. I was always in trouble for saying that my loyalty to Essex Police was zero, but my loyalty to the people of Essex was 100%. That doesn’t mitigate your experiences however and I’m so sorry that your perception of the police, based upon how you have been treated, has been so awful.
Its the same all over, one bad apple doesnt ............ and in such institutions/organisations etc they do protect each other but eventually the truth comes out. No, not all policeman are bad. @@charlescadwallader6106
@@charlescadwallader6106 Sir, I have absolutely NO doubt that not all the apples in the barrel are rotten. And I am certain that you gave your utmost because you tell me so, many Police officers put their lives and their families lives on the line everyday, but this is not rising damp, where the rot comes from the bottom up. This corruption and bad practices of which many are illegal in many police forces comes from the top down, more akin to acid rain.
Sorry. I mean detention centre but for some reason I was unable to edit. Cheers.
Who moved into White House Farm once Bamber was caught convicted?
Who found the mysterious sound moderator and gave it to the police?
Who was jealous of the adopted children who stood to inherit the family estate?
False, the house is owned by the church
She still lives there.
@@davepenton4137In a different part of the house, the boys room is locked of, it has pics of the family ,a shrine to them all, they are a lovely family
@@CharlieCharlie881 The question was who moved into the house? Not who owns it.
@@CharlieCharlie881 if you say so
That 'Behavioural Psychologist' has clearly just been called in to fill a seat. Every answer is vague, conjecture or generalising - nothing directly related to the case. She says "99.9% of killers will continue to protest innocence". Where is she getting this statistic? Pretty sure it's completely made up in her head. Or how about "they will convince themselves they're innocent." Who is she talking about? General killers??? I feel like I know more about killer's minds from watching Manhunter!
Amazing how the host and the 'expert' can just completely blank out facts like the police notebooks saying there was a female body in the kitchen (that was then magically transported upstairs). So those 2 officers were wrong? Did they just imagine a woman on the floor and note that down for fun?
I felt exactly the same watching this. She didn’t appear to know anything about the case. How many murderers has she interviewed to come to her conclusions?
All the people who support him are taken in by him
@@sithomas8080 A lot if you read her bio
My immediate thoughts about that "99.9%" too - not how I'd expect someone to put a scientific point of view unless that was an actual study result.
Yes, it’s a well known psychological trait and learned behaviour , for psychologists to immediately jump to their own often generalizations and old generic research answers to explain people . I wonder if there is any research on psychologists always explaining things away with psychology?
Jo's opinion is irrelevant. Even if Bamber is a narcissist ot even a psychopath, that doesnt mean that the conviction isnt unsafe. The bar for guilt is very high, if evidence was witheld from the jury that could have created reasonable doubts then the conviction is unsafe and a re trial is required.
For the CCRB to be even considering this, there must be new evidence that could undermine the conviction.
She is just one of those celebrity media gossip types. No qualifications in criminal behaviour at all.
@@mortuaryartist4390correct i remember people like her sledging Stefan Kiszco's appeal. They were silent when Stefan was proven innocent and Ronald Castree went free for 30 years
+ she's no better than an average witch hunter. Facts about crime circumstances? Naaaah, better let's pay attention to juicy rumours about animal slaughtering, created by unspecified sources. Besides the guy is a narcissist because he killed his family because he's a narcissist.
@@stephenholmes1036that case was terribly sad
Totally agree Jo's evidence is not only irrelevant, but all of her information is only based on gossip or hearsay. The phone logs alone throw serious doubt on Jeremy's conviction.
If no silencer was used and Sheila was walking around the house eventually shooting herself in the bedroom, was a gunshot not heard by everyone stood outside?
The gun shot is only as loud as a clap, so no they wouldn't hear it outside. Plus when the firearms team entered one of them reported hearing a sound and raced up the stairs calling for Sheila to make herself known.
@@nickyrowley3374incorrect! Without the moderator it would be heard outside!
@@nickyrowley3374how many guns are just as loud as a handclap🤦♂️even air rifles are far louder than that ffs
@@nickyrowley3374 The window to the bedroom was open. It would have been heard
That, if I may say so, is THE POINT. Fireworks outside a house can be heard from inside. Hence the inverse situation would be true, and of a gunshot also. If the silencer is offered up in mitigation, then the question arises as to how Sheila could have removed and hidden it after her death. As to movement inside the house, of curtains and/or someone switching lights on and off while Bamber was outside with police, was the front door the only point of entry, and was Bamber interacting with every police officer present?
The man on the left said Sheila was alive in the kitchen and when the cops broke in she ran upstairs to shoot herself. Did I hear that correctly? He also said no silencer was used so surely 40 cops outside would have heard a gunshot if, as he said, she ran upstairs to shoot herself.
What he said was true, you didn't misunderstand. The police did hear a noise but you have to remember this was not a shotgun, but a relatively low powered rifle. The evidence is their to back this up.
Wasn’t the rifle a 22 rimfire gun? They are surprisingly quiet when compared to other firearms.
@garysmith3173 definitely a .22, not sure off the top of my head, all the other details
Anschutz 525 Semi-Auto .22LR rifle with a ten round magazine. @@davepenton4137
The guns length means the angle of bullet through the head couldnt of been suicide?
How can,she diagnose him without meeting him and evaluating him?
Most experts you see on the stand in trials will usually have only spoken to the person once, 3 at the most and base their diagnosis on reports, interview transcripts, medical records. So tbh if she gave a positive opinion on his psychological status his defenders would prob add her to their team. Lol.
I thought the same
Exactly how can she sit there and say he's got BPD or NPD without interviewing him. She's merely going by how he looked on the TV.
Psychologists are superb at inventing 'disorders'. even for little children!!!!
Ask three psychologists : Get
three different opinions.
That awful woman is the last person I'd trust to psychoanalyse anyone.
She's got tunnel vision and that's not what psychology is cented on.
She criticises JB for not showing remorse. This is illogical and a circular argument. If he is innocent, he would not show remorse (for something he hadn't done).
Narcissists are very good at getting certain people under their spell!!!
Like Donald Trump chaos follows him
@@user-ep8fr2wy9mwhat's trump got to do with the price of fish ??
Two J Bamber advocates versus Jo, who appears to have no deep knowledge of the case...really balanced.
So, are you suggesting they should have had MORE people with no knowledge on, just for balance??
And her and the host, still done most of the talking. Normally you would have someone who knew the case, which she obviously didn't.
@ user- xv9yc4wb2x
Didn't Bamber brag to his then girl friend how he could enter and exit the house by means of a window which could be secretly opened and leave no trace.
Very sloppy police investigation all round.
Bamber was the only person to benefit if the others were dead.
Guilty as charged in my opinion- and that of thousands of others.
@@dougchance8891👍 Spot on. Note the question about Bamber killing animals was sidelined by the male guests. The girlfriend provided the window evidence & gave much more. The only person who stood to gain anything from this slaughter, is behind bars & should remain there.
Z list “experts” on each side. I see no problem…it’s a Z list CZcams channel.
I have borderline personality disorder and I don't kill people
So everyone with BPD acts the same, lives the same, does the same? Obviously not
You've still got time .
It's unbelievable the way people with BPD are treated
And you point us. BPD isn’t a diagnosis as such, and it’s often used as a label for paedophiles.
BPD : otherwise known as an over
active imagination and / or attention seeking device . Similar to ADHD and other self diagnosed
neuro diverse conditions.
There is no reason for the woman, whoever she is, to be in this video. She adds nothing of any relevance
No reason for a film maker to be in this discussion either.
@@miacat1727 Yep very true
How can this woman Joan make comment of a man she has never met
That's exactly what I was thinking. Everything she has said is the same rhetoric you hear from any of the guilty brigade. She didn't even make up her own lies, just used others which made her look very unprofessional.
@@nickyrowley3374 if you are going to diagnose someone with some personality issue the least you can do is to go and see them in person not just spout something you read in a book.
Yes he acted a big strange after it all happened went stupid spending money but he had just lost his Mother, Father, 2 nephews and his sister not to sure how Ai would have behaved if my entire family was wiped out and I thought my sister was responsible.
Some of the evidence I seem to remember can from his ex girlfriend.
I think the whole case should be reviewed, police make mistakes
Timothy John Evans, Barry George, Stefan Kiszko, the Birmingham 6, Winston Silcott, Angela Cannings, Sally Clark,
There were a number of women found guilty of killing their babies by shaken death injuries, turned out the main Doctor expert testimony was all lies.
That’s just a few there are probably many more, mistakes happen
Lots of single middle aged women think he is innocent.
She is a criminal profiler. Her job.
She's not making a comment on so.eone she's never met--she's making general comments on Narcissists.
Experience perhaps?
The 'Behavioural Psychologist' (who has never met Bamber) says his actions are typical of a narcissistic personality disorder but completely ignores the fact they are EXACTLY the actions of a completely innocent person!! Apparently protesting your innocents is proof you are guilty, in her head!! No wonder there are appalling miscarriages of justice when this kind of 'expert' is allowed to interfere in the justice system!!
I don't think she had any role in the actual case, the trial or any of the sub sequent appeals. So in what way is she interfering in the justice system? She may be commenting about a case in which she dos not know the actors....but then aren't all of us who are posting a comment?
Behaviour psychologists are qualified to make ananlysis's of narcissist behaviour, it's their field of expertise, often relied upon in Court.
Of course I don’t know for certain if Bamber is innocent, but I do remember at the time of the trial, thinking that something was off & didn’t seem right. At the very least, if there’s a chance that he’s innocent, the case should be reviewed. Imagine sitting in prison for 38 years if you’re not guilty 😢
You do know for certain and so do they.
Wake up woman.
@@anyawaleofondo Was that reply for me? I’m wide awake thanks - and at least I can keep an open mind about this. Do you know how many people get stuck in prison for crimes they didn’t actually commit?
@@pamelacuthbert1722 You have a closed mind and you are very cheeky.
@@anyawaleofondo Fortunately I couldn’t care less what you think of me 🤣🤣
@@pamelacuthbert1722 Dear Pamela, the case WAS reviewed. Look up "Bamber Appeal report 2002" online. It's 150 pages of close detail proving that Bamber is guilty.
I can't help but believe that this TV psychologist thinks that she is better positioned to analyse someone she's never met than the professionals who actually DO interview people in prisons regularly 🤔
Experts are the biggest narcissists with overblown opinions of themselves.
@@burlyshorn 👍
We see. So many psychologists who dismiss people and the things they have said because their academic research says people do so and so .its also usually the research dont by others thirty years ago in a certain context that they seem will8ng to apply to every scenario . They seem to use the same psychological evidences for a multiple of things and people. As if because we are one species we all succumb to the same faults and behaviours when we know just from history how thing and people are never what we assume .if we apply generalizations however they may seem to answer questions , then we surely cause possible misrepresentations and great errors. I often wonder how many psychologists who have dismissed people who say they’ve seen a UFO , as misperceptions and hysteria etc , but now we have so many cameras on phones , how these hysterics have now suddenly disappeared , how do psychologists explain their willingness to diagnose people before ? Has hysteria suddenly been cured thst they seem to have stopped with their quick explanations of people’s claims ? Perhaps it’s a psychological trait to jump to easy dismissals with psychology, do they have research on themselves I wonder ? I hope I’ve made sense !
@@saudade369 it's not just psychologists either
I have a newly married friend in hospital right now after being told by his GP/MD that the symptoms he is experiencing are entirely due to sudden depression even though, to me, a layman, they are obviously not
Turns out he has bleeding on the brain and that if it was left untreated it could be fatal
There are two possible scenarios. Firstly, a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of not taking medication had an episode and murdered everyone. Or, secondly, Bamber created an elaborate conspiracy with numerous moving parts that involved him cycling 5 miles across country in the dark (prosecution case) murder everyone and stage the scene, call the police from the house, cycle back home then call again and initially convince the police that it was a murder/suicide, only to have forgotten that he'd ruined his scheme in advance by having previously told his girlfriend he was going to do it. Occam's razor
She can’t have done it! Just physically impossible
They always spin it to suit whatever narrative they wish to convey at the time I really hope that the truth comes out in the end and justice is served
I wonder how many police logs from that era are inaccurate? i bet lots are out by a few minutes.
why should he show remorse if he's innocent ?
Losing your entire family … you’d show some kind of emotion at some point. Unlikely that you book a holiday as he did.
@@CrueLoafnot necessary. Someone I knew who lost his wife to cancer just couldn’t handle the overwhelming feelings of loss and because he wasn’t brought up to express his feelings he distracted himself by going on holiday and buying a new car. We all deal with grief differently.
They are not inferring remorse for guilt of murder, emotion, grief at his family's murders
@@CrueLoafNope.
Grow up.
@@Caz_2087So??
He is innocent so can remorse how he likes.
The call log at 3:26 says under the highlighted part that the message was passed to cd by the son after the phone went dead. Little wonder ‘new evidence’ is not accepted by the courts.
Jo who, knows absolutely diddly squat about any of this or JB . I treat all Psychologists as guessers like Gypsy lady with the tea leaves.
But somewhere the truth is going to be stranger than anyone could believe if it ever comes out. JB at the funeral was oscar winning though.
They are always wise *after* the event. When all is already known.
Psychology is the easy course at uni& often filled with failed students of other subjects,it’s all nonsense
It's prison officers opinion who have looked after him all these years that I would be interested in I mean staff with years of experience not younger staff.
They agree he is guilty
A former prison officer who had dealings with him said he was an arrogant t++t....not a likable person at all...he thinks he's guilty
He told an officer he was in for murdering his family.
@@andybt3989 that's what he would say even if guilty that is his charge .
@@janetashton3718 he admitted to the guard!
Such a good idea for talk TV to give him his own show. Really loving it.
Having a personality disorder does not make you a killer.
No, but "normal" people tend not to get involved in crime.
New evidence has come to light? I am so fed up of hearing those words. I thought a police officer saw someone lurking in the dark outside the farm? Has anyone bothered to investigate instead of blaming an innocent woman?
Yeah, they had a trail in 1985, and the innocent woman's brother was convicted, and has been in prison since. Do keep up.
Why officer X? Name and shame... and really? He didn't lose his job - it'll lead to more behaviours seeing as he knows the law protects their own
He wants to attribute this slaughter to a girl using a gun multiple times without a silencer?
He fucked up.
Back in the day times were not recorded with precision.
Even his bird grassed him up.
for 25k and being let off her own criminal activities scott free
He clearly did it but because of police ineptness at the time it makes it seem like there's doubt.
Fair point.
What exactly is an "unsafe trial"? What would be "unsafe" would be letting this psycopath back into society. He is a convicted killer, the crime scene was conducted by the local police who were inexperienced & bungled significant details, which was often how it was in the 80's especially with high profile cases.
@@miacat1727Yes totally agree. I'm thinking as well if he was released due to an unsafe trial then would the house etc actually get turned over to him after all?
I’ve never felt comfortable with the Bamber conviction
You'll get over it.
You had me at 'the UK's most prolific crimes' at the beginning.
Here’s the inside track as I understand it from the criminal defence lawyer in my family: person hears of Bamber’s innocence, person gets involved in case, person then realises he’s guilty as hell, person extricates themself.
There's absolutely no way on Gods green earth that this guy is getting out of jail.
Well said,
Irrelevant.
@@EnochsriteEh??
Doesn't mean he should be in there to start with.
Thank heaven for that this guy is so guilty!
The police took a lot of the evidence including the furniture from the bedroom and allowed it to be put in a pile and be burnt, and why accept the first call from the father, but ignore that JB was outside the farmhouse when police saw someone moving around in the house, not to mention the ‘relatives’ finding the mark on the fireplace…how convenient
All bullshit. No call from Nevill. When police arrived they asked why Nevill didn't ring the police. It was a trick of the light Bamber accepted this at trial
Molly
Thats the standard Bamber defenders lines right there.
Look deeper into those points and you'll find they were either twisted, exaggerated or non-existent.
Bamber BURNED the clothes including the twins mattrasses, Your point about the call is a moot one, since only Bamber received this supposed call and he had every reason to lie about it. It never took place. If you read the autopsy you would have known that Nevill Bamber's jaw was shattered and he was unable to speak. The phone was carefully placed on the sideboard off of its receiver
Moreover, Sheila’s DNA was not found on the silencer, Nevill , a powerful man of 6ft 4in, had a broken jaw and numerous abrasions when he died, suggesting a violent struggle. Sheila - no matter how demented Bamber tried to portray her as, was barely half Nevill's size and weight. He only had to fall on her to stop her.
Sheila had no injuries other than two gunshot wounds to the throat, suggesting she could not have attacked her father.(Please read up on this)
Police didn't see anyone moving around inside the house....It was Bamber who told them he had seen someone at a window and put the idea into their heads to start the whole 'seige' scenario and that Sheila had done it.
Yup
Spot on Steve.
@mollydacrcey7148 There is more to it, as you must know.
That psychologist is proving the point of reasonable doubt with her professional bias, she's clearly written her script and isn't deviating from it. She hasn't met him, she's not had access to psychological evaluation by a number of psychology and psychiatry professors who have evaluated Bamber over the decades he's been incarcerated, but dispute their findings; sight unseen.
There should, at least be a review
Nevill Bamber never made a phone call to Bamber, absolutely no evidence.
But.....did Police outside or inside the house hear the step sister shoot herself?
There is no evidence that any policeman heard a shot or even saw anybody moving about inside
The rifle was a .22 calibre and makes the sound of a sharp clap. Ballistic tests proved you wouldn’t have heard it from outside or another part of the house. The officer at the foot of the stairs nearest to the bedroom heard ‘a noise’ and called out for Sheila to make her whereabouts known. He never elaborated on what type of noise he heard.
@@emmamorris2449Please may I ask where I can find this information. Many thanks
Peter cut that guy off as he was answering...turned to Jo who has sat there the whole time sour faced ....odd interview
Because he knows Bamber's guilty and doesn't suffer gullible members of the JBIC gladly.
If no silencer was used, why was it not simply reported that Sheila ‘ran upstairs’ and shot herself, and by that the police all would have heard without a doubt the gunshot?
If that all happened, why would the police need to blame anyone else?
Hang on a minute, if no silencer was on the gun, they would have heard the rifle go off when sheila supposedly ran upstairs without anyone seeing her and shot herself
No one reported a loud gunshot while they was searching the house. Which debunks the theory she was on the floor when the broke their way in.
This guy is cherry picking clearly a coppers statement that thought he seen 2 people on the floor over no one literally hearing the last gunshot which killed sheila
PM of sheila showed she died from a gs to the head. So she ran up the stairs with a fatal gs, or she ran upstairs and shot herself but the police didn’t hear it. Yup.
and they assumed she was dead when she wasn't, and she just "woke-up" and ran upstairs ? This guy has watched too many bad horror movies
Who said she was shot at this point?
The first gunshot would have incapacitated her. Sheila was NOT downstairs at all (The clean soles of her feet despite glass and sugar being all over the floor and not a drop of Nevills blood on her kind of put that to bed) The radio logs at the juncture made an error in wahat was later determined to be miscommunication between the Tactical Firearms Unit and those recording the logs.. What they had seen was in fact the body of Nevill@@steveblundell7766
You need to look more closely at the evidence that is now available. She was shot a 2nd time, the fatal shot, by bumbling firearms police when they broke in to the farm. You just believe what the media says, when they are know liars. The paperwork revealed in 2002 proves all of the police case was LIES.
The supposed call log shown at 11:20 is actually an internal police communication relaying the information from Jeremy's call. They know this, but they're still trying to pass it off as a call log.
Jeremy's Uncle 'discovered' a silencer in a cupboard.........?????????? The Police did not...!!!!!!
The police weren't looking for a silencer/moderator because the senior detective in charge, having seen the bare rifle on SC's body, instantly decided that it was an open and shut case of four murders and a suicide. Bamber's cousin, David Boutflour, found the moderator, not his uncle.
Even if Sheila was alive in the house, it doesn’t mean she killed them and he didn’t.
This is one that has never sat well with me. For a conviction it needs to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt and there is plenty of reasonable doubt on this one!!!
Scary how many unsafe convictions are made..
The jury didn't think so.
@@simonlevett4776 Wow.. did you work that out all by yourself 🤔🙄
@@simonlevett4776they didn't have all the evidence so is it any wonder?
Sheila or Bamber did this.
Sheila was forensically ruled out. It was proved in court that June was forensically more soiled with blood + other fluids than Sheila.
Sheila did nothing.
In your view but it was clear as day to me, there was no way on gods earth that she shot herself as the weapon was far too long
Well it obviously wasn't too long, as that is exactly what she did.
It has since been proven that she could have shot herself, even with either 'one of the 2 moderators' on, although we also now know that one wasn't attached at all.
If there was no silencer then the gun was not too long and she could have shot herself. However, if she had shot herself without a silencer then the shot would be heard outside by everyone. No sound was heard. There is doubt either way.
If the girlfriends evidence is removed then there is no case against him and that alone makes this an unsafe conviction.
This is really interesting so I might buy a book and read the evidence. I'm the same age as JB and I come from Essex. I remember it at the time but we are no 'farmy' people so had no connection to these types. I think there should be a retrial because, in the advent of new information, we might be more sure with the subsequent outcome.
@@joeletaxi821 The girlfriend's evidence is not the strongest evidence against Bamber, he damned himself when lied to the police about receiving a phone call from his father that his sister had a gun and had gone crazy. The phone call could not have happened, so how else would he know about potential gun murders at the farm unless he was responsible?
@@steveblundell7766 I thought it said it was confirmed that the father had called the son. The father also called Witham police station. Unless it was Bamber himself that made those calls. It’s confusing.
His supposed grief at the funeral looks so fake. He’s a crap actor
It was on VIDEO and on every News outlet broadcasting in 1985.
He faked that emotion and according to those who were there, the moment he entered the hearse he stopped and was laughing and joking.
So please stop talking crap.@@Nauysvyf
That Oscar winning performance got me thinking as well, has he just pulled off the big one.
Does that prove he killed them? You are a crap judge of character, but hey ho.
@@lucymooch5821 You were thinking? Is there any proof of that? There doesn't seem to be any evidence.
So because he can't act he's guilty of mass murder. 🤔 Ridiculous comment.
The right man is in jail, this is just nonsense
he is guilty as ever anybody was !!! This is idiotic !!!
Based on your perception of the TV and media coverage. Dig out and read the actual evidence.
he didnt do it
That phone document is the one logging Jeremy’s call . Saying father called him . Neville did not phone the police that s been proven and explained so many times.
Very interesting. This is the first episode ai have seen, but look forward to watching others.
Ex copper presenter has made his mind up he is guilty
... and he's right.
@@philgarlic8047 i probably agree with him but as a presenter you must be balanced
Surprising that neither Bamber or Nevill called 999.
Nope
He actually wasted precious time looking up the number. He thought that the local police would collect him (In the event they suggested that they meet him there)and take him to the farm where he would pull his 'shocked discovery moment' and attempt to sell the police found before them and make it apparent he wasn't present at the farm.
Thats why.@@Nauysvyf
He didn't get a chance too
@@Nauysvyf Chelmsford was over 20 miles away.
Not surprising at all in the 80's. Local police numbers were generally kept by the phone and only 4 digits long, a good possibility that if it was a more modern phone the number would have been stored, as Neville was a local magistrate.
Plus it's irrelevant anyway as the cars would still have been dispatched from the same locations.
@@Nauysvyf Why would a magistrate know the number of a police station over 20 miles away?
Nevill would just take the rifle off Sheila.
Bamber did it get over it
This case has a number of concerning aspects, and a fresh look at it bearing in mind again so much new evidence has now been released.
What new evidence ?
Thank God we don't have the death penalty,
I think forty years in prison would be worse.
He's guilty
Not a DP case...only use it for those caught red handed,like Robert Black and Lee Rigby's killers! Idiots confuse these cases!
@@starryian007 No, he's not. And there is no evidence of his guilt. Otherwise the police would have used it at his trial, instead of manufacturing a load of bs with the help of the family, who couldn't wait to get their greedy mits on all the loot. Hope you're never on a jury.
@@verairemonger1260 There is evidence of his guilt, he claimed to have recieved a phone call from his father telling him his sister 'has a gun' and 'has gone crazy.' This phone call could not have happened, so how else would he know about potential gun murders at the farm unless he did them himself?
I think his girlfriend should be questioned.
She knows he's guilty
He was convicted mainly on his girlfriend Julie Mugford’s statement… she’s on the other side of the world now and I doubt she will retract it!
@@trishmarshall2371 Sold her story to a paper.
@@michelleroberts-ez7ye I know
16:05 you have to be careful with psychologists. She listed some traits,
Charming
Articulate
Puts his case forward.
In her head and world that
= narcissist/psychopath
Because these people are determined to detect these things.
The problem is anyone who presents well, and talks well can fall into these categories.
The traits and definitions of these groups is so broad you can fit almost anyone into these categories.
I do presentations verbally, I use humour to relax people. And ask the audience questions to keep them engaged. I’m articulate, I use different types of language depending on the audience, or the point I’m trying to make.
It’s my job, I’m not a narc, but 2 hours in a room with this lady and you’re 80% likely to be labelled one or something else.
so mr bamber phoned the police and said your sister has gone crazy?
Has she seen these personality disorders in people who were accused and who were subsequently proven innocent ? wonder how many people assumed to be killers just because they had such traits ?
It staggers me that we continually learn of police hiding evidence that would show innocence . What kind of people do we entrust with the finding of killers when they will do such things ?it’s as if they place greater importance in getting a conviction than actually finding the real killer and we hear this time and again . What kind of immoral unethical , person would think this is anyway right ?
Wasn't It proven that It would have been impossible for Sheila to reach the trigger, let alone shoot herself twice
Not impossible but unlikely according to experts.
Not impossible, even with the sound moderator. But there were two sound moderators. Both were red herrings.
JB has many middle age single females. I knew of his GF and she said he did for sure, they omit her testimony.
They were not red herrings. Sheila’s DNA was not found on the silencer, Nevill Bamber, a powerful man of 6ft 4in, had a broken jaw and numerous abrasions when he died, suggesting a violent struggle Incidentally Sheila supposedly shot herself TWICE. The first shot would have rendered her incapable of delivering the second.
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SNP politician shot himself twice in the head...then ran down to the loch,to dispose of the gun,before returning to his car to die...always be wary of 'experts' with an agenda?
Dreadful interview - biased towards the 'Bamber done it' theory. Who is Jo? She hadn't even met him, yet confidently diagnosed him as a personality disorder. Well maybe he is, but it doesn't make him a murderer. I remember thinking at the time that the evidence against him was weak. He was a cocky, arrogant 20 yr old and was going to inherit a lot of money. People didn't like, him and he didn't exactly help himself. Good luck to him, I hope he wins the appeal.
There was overwhelming evidence against him which came out in court. That is why the jury convicted him
11:20 - this is a log of JB's call to the cops NOT his fathers...🙄 is there anyone who has any links for any documents supporting phone calls made to the police or anyone FROM the farmhouse at any time in a 24 hour period around the murders, please?
Thanks in advance
Blimey, if ever there’s been a case of ‘once a copper always a copper’. Talk about leading questions!
Hence the 'no comment' advice during interview.
this show its awesome i love it ❤
The police made so many mistakes in this case, which has allowed JB to convince people that he is innocent.
There was only one mistake made by Officer-in-charge Taff Jones when he closed the case before it had begun and brooked no argument. Underling officers with more nous, such as Stan Jones, Bob Miller, Chris Bews et al. suspected that Bamber was lying soon after they met him.
How did she shoot herself more than once🤔
She didn't, Bamber did.
@@philgarlic8047 obviously! There’s no way she committed those murders.
I am so glad hanging was abolished in 1951 an innocent Somali man named mamood Hassan 13:49ers hung here in Cardiff and many years later was proved innocent he couldn’t even speak English he left a wife and three children look up on the internet
Examine the bullet trajectories in the walls...the room is pretty much untouched. They will indicate the height of the shooter. Case closed. Neville's trousers were pulled down in a humiliation style ritual, a very telling psychological detail. The killer knew Neville and had a severe personal animus toward him. Sheila wouldn't have done that, nor did she hate Nev. Also, if she was going on a gun rampage, I kind of think she'd put her knickers on!
You need to look up as to how Neville's pajamas were down. You also need to read all the reports and information about Sheila's, mental health and what had gone on in the months prior to the murders.
@@davepenton4137 To fully understand Sheilas mental health reports, one needs specialist knowledge in understanding it.
he'd been dragged about by his shoulders and posed. it dragged his trews down and made a burn mark. sheila had been dragged about and posed too.
@MsVanorak yes by the police, if you look at the crime scene photos you will see that the photos change (position of bodies) from 1st to last. It's been found the burn mark was Neville was originally leaning against the AGA.
@@davepenton4137 it was harvest time/summer so why would the aga be lit? they surely had an emersion heater system for hot water and there was a free standing electric cooker in the kitchen if i remember rightly.
How can you diagnose someone without meeting them? It's not possible. I am not happy that the conviction in his case was sound.
You have the right to remain watching!
... but anything you say will be taken down and may be given in evidence.
Not for the first time in this case "new evidence" but anyone familiar with the case won't be buying it.
That's because it's not ''new evidence''.
The CCRC will only look at submissions which contain new evidence of which there is an abundance they are considering
No Bamber is 100% guilty
Lights going on and off ? Curtains opening and closing ? Where’s that evidence . Sheila was obviously a 15 stone wrestler to harm her dad in that way .
Embarrassing show , you never give those guys a chance . Everyone knows the corruption that has gone on over the years. Can you imagine them admitting they got this one wrong. It’s too big , it will cost them millions in compensation. It really sounds like they have some good evidence here . But I’ll bet anything it’ll make no difference.
Essex Police didn't get it wrong. Bamber was, is and always will be guilty, end of.
@@philgarlic8047 ex copper or mason ? What a ridiculous comment
There are dozens of lawyers and
journalists who would love to get
any evidence of a miscarriage of justice . And yet these clowns fail to produce it ..?? Why not ?!?
I know someone who new Bamber very well. He was convinced Bamber had the wear withal to make out he did not do it but he did do it.
Interesting. Any more information? What makes him think this?
'Wear withal' ?
A narcissist will persuade themselves they are innocent.
Ha ha not always and his sister had a far more dangerous mental illness
@@stephenholmes1036 Incorrect, there is no evidence to suggest that her schizophrenia made her dangerous to others
@@steveblundell7766 She had threatened to kill herself and her children.
...so everyone who IS innocent is a narcissist....!!?
'I'd rather 9 guilty people go free, than 1 innocent man be convicted.'
As long as those 9 people didn't include Bamber ... his crimes really were the worst
@@steveblundell7766 I have to be honest and say I know very little of this case so I'm not in a position to confer guilt or innocence. It's just a principle that I adhere to for humanitarian reasons. (And I'm not a whooly liberal).
Even if those people created more victims?
so 9 murderers go free to save one innocent man?
What if those 9 guilty people were serial killers of schoolgirls?
Why would you show remorse if you didnt do it.......
Exactly, heads they win, tails you lose!!
I think they really mean empathy/emotion. He has shown none whatsoever, I believe he is a dangerous man
@@narcdetester2102He seemed pretty distressed and emotional at the funeral.
@@manoo422 Not to me he didn't. Play acting all the way. His expressions have never changed every time I have seen him on film
What a waste of good time! he's guilty. Plenty of better cases of miscarriages to focus on...theyre not as high profile.....thats why you waste time on this. Sad people
Behavioural Psychologists are a waste of oxygen
Totally agree... would they of picked up on Peter Sutcliffe??? described by his boss and work mates as a good solid worker and bloke.....
@@peteanderson4395 Who was nicknamed "The Yorkshire Ripper" by said workmates, apparently. 😆
@@marekohampton8477 I didn't know that...... thanks for telling me that
Nope, just this one.
I remember this case well as we lived pretty close to the scene at the time
Sorry if I wrong but I saw a TV programme saying the kitchen carpet was removed and disposed of before a forensic team began their investigation.
What about the personality of the sister .....not mentioned
She was pretty therefore couldnt possibly have done it.
I spoke with her just before the murders and she was a complete mess mentally, not able to function.
They did mention her and her state.
B.S. he's as guilty as sin .
As I read the comments to this awful program, I would like to say finally, there is a lot of screwed on people in this chat room who can see right through the bullshit of this program
How can she call anyone a narcissist look at her face
Bamber is as guilty as hell! I am convinced of that beyond any shadow of a doubt
On what basis?
There are over 200 pieces of evidence against Bamber. Both forensic and circumstantial.
Supporters dispute one piece - the silencer. Because the relatives handed it in.
@@Nauysvyf There was one
You are wrong, and clearly haven't LOOKED at the evidence, or you would KNOW he is totally innocent. You just keep believing the same old rubbish from the 1986 trial which contains NO evidence of his guilt. The evidence of his INNOCENCE is what they kept hidden till 2002. Along with all the stuff they illegally BURNED. And along with all the crime scene photos they STILL won't disclose, despite 3 court orders to do so. You haters are so keen to keep him inside aren't you. Why? What are you afraid of? Being proved WRONG?
@adamcollins. Not sure where you got that information from, but their was no forensic evidence against him. Even if you was right their is evidence proving he didn't do it running into the 1000's. But 2 very compelling pieces will clear him. The fact that he was outside and the police spoke by phone to someone inside and the fact that Sheila was on the kitchen floor when police checked before entering and upstairs dead in the bedroom when they searched the upstairs approximately 25 minutes after entry.
@@Nauysvyf Nope wrong ,do your research
If you think supporters only mention the silencer, you definitely haven't done your homework!
What was the point of that psychologist being involved?
Even if she was alive he could have shot her, but she didn't die instantly. Faulty logic
Razor smith, yammy b was in jail at the same time as him. Both convinced of his guilt by his own actions. Guilty as sin.
Fwiw, I also thought the conviction was unsafe. In any case, 40 years in prison is enough.
Hopefully if Bamber is not guilty then he will be released and be compensated.
He isn't innocent, no doubt about it.
No points for stating the obvious.
Michael Stone is the person that should be released.
This is a very strange programme, I can not work out what was with the physiologist who seemed very disengaged and wasn’t even really looking at the people she was participating with and almost sneering. I hope this channel doesn’t use her again
'WHO IS SHE?' CERTAINLY NOT JOAN OF ARC or simply someone with a Too Much Filler syndrome
I have always said that he didn’t kill the family, but other family members who wanted the house and money for themselves. Police ignored a lot of information and strange how other family members "came across" evidence.
Say what you want, but Bamber was rightly convicted for disposing of five family members to get his inheritance well before it was due. Not even his two six-year-old nephews were going to stand in his way.
and, "other family members "came across" evidence' following a police search...so we are led to believe that the police missed this vital piece of evidence but "other family members " found it once the police had left?
Hr did it. The fact he was not concerned with his inheritance than his nephews parents and sister being dead, speaks volumes.
He's has guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo..
First of all, Bamber is definitely a very dislikeable character, but there is no question, there are huge question marks over the investigation, there was some dodgy behaviour from the in-laws, who had a lot to gain from Bambers conviction