White House Farm Murders: New Evidence 'Proves' Convicted Jeremy Bamber Didn't Massacre His Family

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  • čas přidán 22. 02. 2024
  • The case of Jeremy Bamber, convicted of the brutal murders of his family in 1985, has been a subject of intense scrutiny and debate for decades. Bamber, now 63 years old, has maintained his innocence since his imprisonment and has fought tirelessly to prove his innocence. The case, which involved the slaying of three generations of the Bamber family in the idyllic village of Tolleshunt Darcy in Essex, has raised questions about the reliability of the evidence that led to Bamber's conviction. With conflicting narratives and new evidence coming to light, the case continues to captivate and divide opinions.
    In 1985, the Bamber family tragedy shocked the UK, as three generations of the family were shot 25 times at close range at their family home, the Whitehouse Farm. Jeremy Bamber was convicted and sentenced to a whole life tariff for the crimes. The sentencing judge described Bamber as "warped and evil beyond belief." However, Bamber has consistently claimed his innocence, attributing the murders to his paranoid schizophrenic adoptive sister, Sheila Caffell, who he alleges was alive in the house at the time of the killings.
    The case has been marked by a series of appeals and investigations, with new evidence challenging the original conviction. One key point raised by Bamber's supporters is the presence of Sheila Caffell in the house after the police arrived, suggesting that she may have been the culprit. The discrepancies in the police logs and the handling of evidence have raised doubts about the integrity of the investigation and the reliability of the prosecution's case.
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  • @charlescadwallader6106
    @charlescadwallader6106 Před 3 měsíci +241

    It would have been far more educational and interesting if Bleksley hadn’t spent 70% of the time voicing his own, ill-informed opinion.
    In the meantime, and as a retired Essex Police detective (I served after Bamber had been imprisoned), I personally know several of those officers involved in the Bamber case and I would not trust at least three of them one single inch. I know them to have lied, prevaricated, victimised and attempted (at least) to hide evidence. One of the ones who became senior to me put huge pressure on me to omit certain facts from a statement and to charge a man with a much lesser offence than that for which he had been arrested (abducting a child under the age of fourteen.) Some might say that the police case was bungled; I would go one further and say that it was deliberately skewed, to the detriment of the defendant.

    • @lucymooch5821
      @lucymooch5821 Před 3 měsíci +52

      No disrepect to you Sir, but my dealings with police over 50 years has instilled in me, that NONE of them I ever dealt with could be trusted.

    • @charlescadwallader6106
      @charlescadwallader6106 Před 3 měsíci +32

      @@lucymooch5821 - I’m really sorry to hear that but I don’t doubt what you say. Likewise, I would like you to accept that there are some really good and dedicated people in ‘the Job’ who would put their lives on the line for the public whom they serve. I was always in trouble for saying that my loyalty to Essex Police was zero, but my loyalty to the people of Essex was 100%. That doesn’t mitigate your experiences however and I’m so sorry that your perception of the police, based upon how you have been treated, has been so awful.

    • @LowejaDogs
      @LowejaDogs Před 3 měsíci +1

      Its the same all over, one bad apple doesnt ............ and in such institutions/organisations etc they do protect each other but eventually the truth comes out. No, not all policeman are bad. @@charlescadwallader6106

    • @lucymooch5821
      @lucymooch5821 Před 3 měsíci

      @@charlescadwallader6106 Sir, I have absolutely NO doubt that not all the apples in the barrel are rotten. And I am certain that you gave your utmost because you tell me so, many Police officers put their lives and their families lives on the line everyday, but this is not rising damp, where the rot comes from the bottom up. This corruption and bad practices of which many are illegal in many police forces comes from the top down, more akin to acid rain.

    • @LeeGordon-fp9zf
      @LeeGordon-fp9zf Před 3 měsíci +1

      Sorry. I mean detention centre but for some reason I was unable to edit. Cheers.

  • @sithomas8080
    @sithomas8080 Před 3 měsíci +144

    Who moved into White House Farm once Bamber was caught convicted?
    Who found the mysterious sound moderator and gave it to the police?
    Who was jealous of the adopted children who stood to inherit the family estate?

    • @CharlieCharlie881
      @CharlieCharlie881 Před 3 měsíci +14

      False, the house is owned by the church

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +14

      She still lives there.

    • @CharlieCharlie881
      @CharlieCharlie881 Před 3 měsíci +11

      @@davepenton4137In a different part of the house, the boys room is locked of, it has pics of the family ,a shrine to them all, they are a lovely family

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +15

      @@CharlieCharlie881 The question was who moved into the house? Not who owns it.

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@CharlieCharlie881 if you say so

  • @donmcvey
    @donmcvey Před 3 měsíci +54

    That 'Behavioural Psychologist' has clearly just been called in to fill a seat. Every answer is vague, conjecture or generalising - nothing directly related to the case. She says "99.9% of killers will continue to protest innocence". Where is she getting this statistic? Pretty sure it's completely made up in her head. Or how about "they will convince themselves they're innocent." Who is she talking about? General killers??? I feel like I know more about killer's minds from watching Manhunter!
    Amazing how the host and the 'expert' can just completely blank out facts like the police notebooks saying there was a female body in the kitchen (that was then magically transported upstairs). So those 2 officers were wrong? Did they just imagine a woman on the floor and note that down for fun?

    • @sithomas8080
      @sithomas8080 Před 3 měsíci +9

      I felt exactly the same watching this. She didn’t appear to know anything about the case. How many murderers has she interviewed to come to her conclusions?

    • @CharlieCharlie881
      @CharlieCharlie881 Před 3 měsíci

      All the people who support him are taken in by him

    • @CharlieCharlie881
      @CharlieCharlie881 Před 3 měsíci

      @@sithomas8080 A lot if you read her bio

    • @ChoppingtonOtter
      @ChoppingtonOtter Před 3 měsíci +1

      My immediate thoughts about that "99.9%" too - not how I'd expect someone to put a scientific point of view unless that was an actual study result.

    • @saudade369
      @saudade369 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Yes, it’s a well known psychological trait and learned behaviour , for psychologists to immediately jump to their own often generalizations and old generic research answers to explain people . I wonder if there is any research on psychologists always explaining things away with psychology?

  • @HarryFlashmanVC
    @HarryFlashmanVC Před 3 měsíci +127

    Jo's opinion is irrelevant. Even if Bamber is a narcissist ot even a psychopath, that doesnt mean that the conviction isnt unsafe. The bar for guilt is very high, if evidence was witheld from the jury that could have created reasonable doubts then the conviction is unsafe and a re trial is required.
    For the CCRB to be even considering this, there must be new evidence that could undermine the conviction.

    • @mortuaryartist4390
      @mortuaryartist4390 Před 3 měsíci +27

      She is just one of those celebrity media gossip types. No qualifications in criminal behaviour at all.

    • @stephenholmes1036
      @stephenholmes1036 Před 3 měsíci +27

      ​@@mortuaryartist4390correct i remember people like her sledging Stefan Kiszco's appeal. They were silent when Stefan was proven innocent and Ronald Castree went free for 30 years

    • @elinamiezite4410
      @elinamiezite4410 Před 3 měsíci +17

      + she's no better than an average witch hunter. Facts about crime circumstances? Naaaah, better let's pay attention to juicy rumours about animal slaughtering, created by unspecified sources. Besides the guy is a narcissist because he killed his family because he's a narcissist.

    • @judithmorganjudyteen
      @judithmorganjudyteen Před 3 měsíci +8

      ​@@stephenholmes1036that case was terribly sad

    • @RobertSmith-vl5gc
      @RobertSmith-vl5gc Před 3 měsíci +6

      Totally agree Jo's evidence is not only irrelevant, but all of her information is only based on gossip or hearsay. The phone logs alone throw serious doubt on Jeremy's conviction.

  • @juliebriggs8999
    @juliebriggs8999 Před 3 měsíci +44

    If no silencer was used and Sheila was walking around the house eventually shooting herself in the bedroom, was a gunshot not heard by everyone stood outside?

    • @nickyrowley3374
      @nickyrowley3374 Před 3 měsíci +6

      The gun shot is only as loud as a clap, so no they wouldn't hear it outside. Plus when the firearms team entered one of them reported hearing a sound and raced up the stairs calling for Sheila to make herself known.

    • @andybt3989
      @andybt3989 Před 3 měsíci +9

      @@nickyrowley3374incorrect! Without the moderator it would be heard outside!

    • @Man_fay_the_Bru
      @Man_fay_the_Bru Před 3 měsíci +10

      @@nickyrowley3374how many guns are just as loud as a handclap🤦‍♂️even air rifles are far louder than that ffs

    • @Maxie19699
      @Maxie19699 Před 3 měsíci +8

      @@nickyrowley3374 The window to the bedroom was open. It would have been heard

    • @martinroberts9792
      @martinroberts9792 Před 3 měsíci +3

      That, if I may say so, is THE POINT. Fireworks outside a house can be heard from inside. Hence the inverse situation would be true, and of a gunshot also. If the silencer is offered up in mitigation, then the question arises as to how Sheila could have removed and hidden it after her death. As to movement inside the house, of curtains and/or someone switching lights on and off while Bamber was outside with police, was the front door the only point of entry, and was Bamber interacting with every police officer present?

  • @patpat4317
    @patpat4317 Před 3 měsíci +39

    The man on the left said Sheila was alive in the kitchen and when the cops broke in she ran upstairs to shoot herself. Did I hear that correctly? He also said no silencer was used so surely 40 cops outside would have heard a gunshot if, as he said, she ran upstairs to shoot herself.

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +9

      What he said was true, you didn't misunderstand. The police did hear a noise but you have to remember this was not a shotgun, but a relatively low powered rifle. The evidence is their to back this up.

    • @garysmith3173
      @garysmith3173 Před 3 měsíci +11

      Wasn’t the rifle a 22 rimfire gun? They are surprisingly quiet when compared to other firearms.

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +5

      @garysmith3173 definitely a .22, not sure off the top of my head, all the other details

    • @philgarlic8047
      @philgarlic8047 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Anschutz 525 Semi-Auto .22LR rifle with a ten round magazine. @@davepenton4137

    • @thorntonovski
      @thorntonovski Před 3 měsíci +2

      The guns length means the angle of bullet through the head couldnt of been suicide?

  • @suehatton
    @suehatton Před 3 měsíci +29

    How can,she diagnose him without meeting him and evaluating him?

    • @nikkioshea4139
      @nikkioshea4139 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Most experts you see on the stand in trials will usually have only spoken to the person once, 3 at the most and base their diagnosis on reports, interview transcripts, medical records. So tbh if she gave a positive opinion on his psychological status his defenders would prob add her to their team. Lol.

    • @lynsey08lynsey80
      @lynsey08lynsey80 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I thought the same

    • @suzanheywood
      @suzanheywood Před 2 měsíci

      Exactly how can she sit there and say he's got BPD or NPD without interviewing him. She's merely going by how he looked on the TV.

    • @sara-lorrainegannon8320
      @sara-lorrainegannon8320 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Psychologists are superb at inventing 'disorders'. even for little children!!!!

    • @2msvalkyrie529
      @2msvalkyrie529 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Ask three psychologists : Get
      three different opinions.

  • @artyfingers4488
    @artyfingers4488 Před 3 měsíci +86

    That awful woman is the last person I'd trust to psychoanalyse anyone.

    • @JulieRushworth
      @JulieRushworth Před 3 měsíci +8

      She's got tunnel vision and that's not what psychology is cented on.

    • @michelleroberts-ez7ye
      @michelleroberts-ez7ye Před 2 měsíci +5

      She criticises JB for not showing remorse. This is illogical and a circular argument. If he is innocent, he would not show remorse (for something he hadn't done).

  • @silverfern8970
    @silverfern8970 Před 3 měsíci +77

    Narcissists are very good at getting certain people under their spell!!!

    • @user-ep8fr2wy9m
      @user-ep8fr2wy9m Před 3 měsíci +4

      Like Donald Trump chaos follows him

    • @carolarmer1204
      @carolarmer1204 Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@user-ep8fr2wy9mwhat's trump got to do with the price of fish ??

  • @user-xv9yc4wb2x
    @user-xv9yc4wb2x Před 3 měsíci +48

    Two J Bamber advocates versus Jo, who appears to have no deep knowledge of the case...really balanced.

    • @verairemonger1260
      @verairemonger1260 Před 3 měsíci +9

      So, are you suggesting they should have had MORE people with no knowledge on, just for balance??

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +5

      And her and the host, still done most of the talking. Normally you would have someone who knew the case, which she obviously didn't.

    • @dougchance8891
      @dougchance8891 Před 3 měsíci +9

      @ user- xv9yc4wb2x
      Didn't Bamber brag to his then girl friend how he could enter and exit the house by means of a window which could be secretly opened and leave no trace.
      Very sloppy police investigation all round.
      Bamber was the only person to benefit if the others were dead.
      Guilty as charged in my opinion- and that of thousands of others.

    • @miacat1727
      @miacat1727 Před 3 měsíci +6

      @@dougchance8891👍 Spot on. Note the question about Bamber killing animals was sidelined by the male guests. The girlfriend provided the window evidence & gave much more. The only person who stood to gain anything from this slaughter, is behind bars & should remain there.

    • @annoyingbstard9407
      @annoyingbstard9407 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Z list “experts” on each side. I see no problem…it’s a Z list CZcams channel.

  • @megansavage7152
    @megansavage7152 Před 3 měsíci +27

    I have borderline personality disorder and I don't kill people

    • @Caz_2087
      @Caz_2087 Před 3 měsíci +2

      So everyone with BPD acts the same, lives the same, does the same? Obviously not

    • @Rumpleforeskin77
      @Rumpleforeskin77 Před 3 měsíci +4

      You've still got time .

    • @lynsey08lynsey80
      @lynsey08lynsey80 Před 2 měsíci +3

      It's unbelievable the way people with BPD are treated

    • @lizroberts1569
      @lizroberts1569 Před 2 měsíci

      And you point us. BPD isn’t a diagnosis as such, and it’s often used as a label for paedophiles.

    • @2msvalkyrie529
      @2msvalkyrie529 Před 2 měsíci +1

      BPD : otherwise known as an over
      active imagination and / or attention seeking device . Similar to ADHD and other self diagnosed
      neuro diverse conditions.

  • @tdurb0
    @tdurb0 Před 3 měsíci +13

    There is no reason for the woman, whoever she is, to be in this video. She adds nothing of any relevance

    • @miacat1727
      @miacat1727 Před 3 měsíci +1

      No reason for a film maker to be in this discussion either.

    • @tdurb0
      @tdurb0 Před 3 měsíci

      @@miacat1727 Yep very true

  • @cindyfaulkner5725
    @cindyfaulkner5725 Před 3 měsíci +92

    How can this woman Joan make comment of a man she has never met

    • @nickyrowley3374
      @nickyrowley3374 Před 3 měsíci +14

      That's exactly what I was thinking. Everything she has said is the same rhetoric you hear from any of the guilty brigade. She didn't even make up her own lies, just used others which made her look very unprofessional.

    • @cindyfaulkner5725
      @cindyfaulkner5725 Před 3 měsíci

      @@nickyrowley3374 if you are going to diagnose someone with some personality issue the least you can do is to go and see them in person not just spout something you read in a book.
      Yes he acted a big strange after it all happened went stupid spending money but he had just lost his Mother, Father, 2 nephews and his sister not to sure how Ai would have behaved if my entire family was wiped out and I thought my sister was responsible.
      Some of the evidence I seem to remember can from his ex girlfriend.
      I think the whole case should be reviewed, police make mistakes
      Timothy John Evans, Barry George, Stefan Kiszko, the Birmingham 6, Winston Silcott, Angela Cannings, Sally Clark,
      There were a number of women found guilty of killing their babies by shaken death injuries, turned out the main Doctor expert testimony was all lies.
      That’s just a few there are probably many more, mistakes happen

    • @abdell75roussos
      @abdell75roussos Před 3 měsíci +1

      Lots of single middle aged women think he is innocent.
      She is a criminal profiler. Her job.

    • @silverfern8970
      @silverfern8970 Před 3 měsíci +9

      She's not making a comment on so.eone she's never met--she's making general comments on Narcissists.

    • @davidjma7226
      @davidjma7226 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Experience perhaps?

  • @manoo422
    @manoo422 Před 3 měsíci +39

    The 'Behavioural Psychologist' (who has never met Bamber) says his actions are typical of a narcissistic personality disorder but completely ignores the fact they are EXACTLY the actions of a completely innocent person!! Apparently protesting your innocents is proof you are guilty, in her head!! No wonder there are appalling miscarriages of justice when this kind of 'expert' is allowed to interfere in the justice system!!

    • @ralphbrooks2132
      @ralphbrooks2132 Před 3 měsíci

      I don't think she had any role in the actual case, the trial or any of the sub sequent appeals. So in what way is she interfering in the justice system? She may be commenting about a case in which she dos not know the actors....but then aren't all of us who are posting a comment?

    • @miacat1727
      @miacat1727 Před 14 dny

      Behaviour psychologists are qualified to make ananlysis's of narcissist behaviour, it's their field of expertise, often relied upon in Court.

  • @pamelacuthbert1722
    @pamelacuthbert1722 Před 3 měsíci +35

    Of course I don’t know for certain if Bamber is innocent, but I do remember at the time of the trial, thinking that something was off & didn’t seem right. At the very least, if there’s a chance that he’s innocent, the case should be reviewed. Imagine sitting in prison for 38 years if you’re not guilty 😢

    • @anyawaleofondo
      @anyawaleofondo Před 3 měsíci

      You do know for certain and so do they.
      Wake up woman.

    • @pamelacuthbert1722
      @pamelacuthbert1722 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@anyawaleofondo Was that reply for me? I’m wide awake thanks - and at least I can keep an open mind about this. Do you know how many people get stuck in prison for crimes they didn’t actually commit?

    • @anyawaleofondo
      @anyawaleofondo Před 3 měsíci

      @@pamelacuthbert1722 You have a closed mind and you are very cheeky.

    • @pamelacuthbert1722
      @pamelacuthbert1722 Před 3 měsíci +6

      @@anyawaleofondo Fortunately I couldn’t care less what you think of me 🤣🤣

    • @tonydiamond1875
      @tonydiamond1875 Před 2 měsíci

      @@pamelacuthbert1722 Dear Pamela, the case WAS reviewed. Look up "Bamber Appeal report 2002" online. It's 150 pages of close detail proving that Bamber is guilty.

  • @BeesWaxMinder
    @BeesWaxMinder Před 3 měsíci +27

    I can't help but believe that this TV psychologist thinks that she is better positioned to analyse someone she's never met than the professionals who actually DO interview people in prisons regularly 🤔

    • @burlyshorn
      @burlyshorn Před 2 měsíci +3

      Experts are the biggest narcissists with overblown opinions of themselves.

    • @BeesWaxMinder
      @BeesWaxMinder Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@burlyshorn 👍

    • @saudade369
      @saudade369 Před 2 měsíci +1

      We see. So many psychologists who dismiss people and the things they have said because their academic research says people do so and so .its also usually the research dont by others thirty years ago in a certain context that they seem will8ng to apply to every scenario . They seem to use the same psychological evidences for a multiple of things and people. As if because we are one species we all succumb to the same faults and behaviours when we know just from history how thing and people are never what we assume .if we apply generalizations however they may seem to answer questions , then we surely cause possible misrepresentations and great errors. I often wonder how many psychologists who have dismissed people who say they’ve seen a UFO , as misperceptions and hysteria etc , but now we have so many cameras on phones , how these hysterics have now suddenly disappeared , how do psychologists explain their willingness to diagnose people before ? Has hysteria suddenly been cured thst they seem to have stopped with their quick explanations of people’s claims ? Perhaps it’s a psychological trait to jump to easy dismissals with psychology, do they have research on themselves I wonder ? I hope I’ve made sense !

    • @BeesWaxMinder
      @BeesWaxMinder Před 2 měsíci

      @@saudade369 it's not just psychologists either
      I have a newly married friend in hospital right now after being told by his GP/MD that the symptoms he is experiencing are entirely due to sudden depression even though, to me, a layman, they are obviously not
      Turns out he has bleeding on the brain and that if it was left untreated it could be fatal

  • @terryyakamoto3488
    @terryyakamoto3488 Před 2 měsíci +4

    There are two possible scenarios. Firstly, a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of not taking medication had an episode and murdered everyone. Or, secondly, Bamber created an elaborate conspiracy with numerous moving parts that involved him cycling 5 miles across country in the dark (prosecution case) murder everyone and stage the scene, call the police from the house, cycle back home then call again and initially convince the police that it was a murder/suicide, only to have forgotten that he'd ruined his scheme in advance by having previously told his girlfriend he was going to do it. Occam's razor

    • @gesp5151
      @gesp5151 Před 2 měsíci +3

      She can’t have done it! Just physically impossible

  • @user-gs6ib2nm1e
    @user-gs6ib2nm1e Před 3 měsíci +15

    They always spin it to suit whatever narrative they wish to convey at the time I really hope that the truth comes out in the end and justice is served

  • @abdell75roussos
    @abdell75roussos Před 3 měsíci +14

    I wonder how many police logs from that era are inaccurate? i bet lots are out by a few minutes.

  • @ModernPict
    @ModernPict Před 3 měsíci +33

    why should he show remorse if he's innocent ?

    • @CrueLoaf
      @CrueLoaf Před 3 měsíci +5

      Losing your entire family … you’d show some kind of emotion at some point. Unlikely that you book a holiday as he did.

    • @Dairy806
      @Dairy806 Před 3 měsíci +8

      @@CrueLoafnot necessary. Someone I knew who lost his wife to cancer just couldn’t handle the overwhelming feelings of loss and because he wasn’t brought up to express his feelings he distracted himself by going on holiday and buying a new car. We all deal with grief differently.

    • @Caz_2087
      @Caz_2087 Před 3 měsíci

      They are not inferring remorse for guilt of murder, emotion, grief at his family's murders

    • @anyawaleofondo
      @anyawaleofondo Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@CrueLoafNope.
      Grow up.

    • @anyawaleofondo
      @anyawaleofondo Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@Caz_2087So??
      He is innocent so can remorse how he likes.

  • @debbieward9732
    @debbieward9732 Před měsícem +4

    The call log at 3:26 says under the highlighted part that the message was passed to cd by the son after the phone went dead. Little wonder ‘new evidence’ is not accepted by the courts.

  • @lucymooch5821
    @lucymooch5821 Před 3 měsíci +20

    Jo who, knows absolutely diddly squat about any of this or JB . I treat all Psychologists as guessers like Gypsy lady with the tea leaves.
    But somewhere the truth is going to be stranger than anyone could believe if it ever comes out. JB at the funeral was oscar winning though.

    • @ChoppingtonOtter
      @ChoppingtonOtter Před 3 měsíci

      They are always wise *after* the event. When all is already known.

    • @Man_fay_the_Bru
      @Man_fay_the_Bru Před 3 měsíci +1

      Psychology is the easy course at uni& often filled with failed students of other subjects,it’s all nonsense

  • @janetashton3718
    @janetashton3718 Před 3 měsíci +20

    It's prison officers opinion who have looked after him all these years that I would be interested in I mean staff with years of experience not younger staff.

    • @CharlieCharlie881
      @CharlieCharlie881 Před 3 měsíci +6

      They agree he is guilty

    • @peteanderson4395
      @peteanderson4395 Před 3 měsíci +3

      A former prison officer who had dealings with him said he was an arrogant t++t....not a likable person at all...he thinks he's guilty

    • @andybt3989
      @andybt3989 Před 3 měsíci +1

      He told an officer he was in for murdering his family.

    • @janetashton3718
      @janetashton3718 Před 3 měsíci +5

      @@andybt3989 that's what he would say even if guilty that is his charge .

    • @andybt3989
      @andybt3989 Před 3 měsíci

      @@janetashton3718 he admitted to the guard!

  • @JeremyLivitt-qn2io
    @JeremyLivitt-qn2io Před 3 měsíci +16

    Such a good idea for talk TV to give him his own show. Really loving it.

  • @MyMargo111
    @MyMargo111 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Having a personality disorder does not make you a killer.

    • @charleswhite758
      @charleswhite758 Před 2 měsíci

      No, but "normal" people tend not to get involved in crime.

  • @user-jv8pg2ug8o
    @user-jv8pg2ug8o Před 3 měsíci +5

    New evidence has come to light? I am so fed up of hearing those words. I thought a police officer saw someone lurking in the dark outside the farm? Has anyone bothered to investigate instead of blaming an innocent woman?

    • @marekohampton8477
      @marekohampton8477 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yeah, they had a trail in 1985, and the innocent woman's brother was convicted, and has been in prison since. Do keep up.

  • @jacquib256
    @jacquib256 Před 3 měsíci +9

    Why officer X? Name and shame... and really? He didn't lose his job - it'll lead to more behaviours seeing as he knows the law protects their own

  • @ChrisShortyAllen
    @ChrisShortyAllen Před 3 měsíci +12

    He wants to attribute this slaughter to a girl using a gun multiple times without a silencer?
    He fucked up.
    Back in the day times were not recorded with precision.
    Even his bird grassed him up.

    • @MsVanorak
      @MsVanorak Před 2 měsíci

      for 25k and being let off her own criminal activities scott free

  • @simondavies109
    @simondavies109 Před 3 měsíci +14

    He clearly did it but because of police ineptness at the time it makes it seem like there's doubt.

    • @simonlevett4776
      @simonlevett4776 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Fair point.

    • @miacat1727
      @miacat1727 Před 3 měsíci

      What exactly is an "unsafe trial"? What would be "unsafe" would be letting this psycopath back into society. He is a convicted killer, the crime scene was conducted by the local police who were inexperienced & bungled significant details, which was often how it was in the 80's especially with high profile cases.

    • @simondavies109
      @simondavies109 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@miacat1727Yes totally agree. I'm thinking as well if he was released due to an unsafe trial then would the house etc actually get turned over to him after all?

  • @personalcheeses8073
    @personalcheeses8073 Před 3 měsíci +20

    I’ve never felt comfortable with the Bamber conviction

  • @stephenedwards609
    @stephenedwards609 Před 3 měsíci +2

    You had me at 'the UK's most prolific crimes' at the beginning.

  • @jonjames7328
    @jonjames7328 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Here’s the inside track as I understand it from the criminal defence lawyer in my family: person hears of Bamber’s innocence, person gets involved in case, person then realises he’s guilty as hell, person extricates themself.

  • @cherry20106
    @cherry20106 Před 3 měsíci +40

    There's absolutely no way on Gods green earth that this guy is getting out of jail.

  • @mollydarcey7148
    @mollydarcey7148 Před 3 měsíci +45

    The police took a lot of the evidence including the furniture from the bedroom and allowed it to be put in a pile and be burnt, and why accept the first call from the father, but ignore that JB was outside the farmhouse when police saw someone moving around in the house, not to mention the ‘relatives’ finding the mark on the fireplace…how convenient

    • @ethandavock3538
      @ethandavock3538 Před 3 měsíci

      All bullshit. No call from Nevill. When police arrived they asked why Nevill didn't ring the police. It was a trick of the light Bamber accepted this at trial

    • @starryian007
      @starryian007 Před 3 měsíci +15

      Molly
      Thats the standard Bamber defenders lines right there.
      Look deeper into those points and you'll find they were either twisted, exaggerated or non-existent.
      Bamber BURNED the clothes including the twins mattrasses, Your point about the call is a moot one, since only Bamber received this supposed call and he had every reason to lie about it. It never took place. If you read the autopsy you would have known that Nevill Bamber's jaw was shattered and he was unable to speak. The phone was carefully placed on the sideboard off of its receiver
      Moreover, Sheila’s DNA was not found on the silencer, Nevill , a powerful man of 6ft 4in, had a broken jaw and numerous abrasions when he died, suggesting a violent struggle. Sheila - no matter how demented Bamber tried to portray her as, was barely half Nevill's size and weight. He only had to fall on her to stop her.
      Sheila had no injuries other than two gunshot wounds to the throat, suggesting she could not have attacked her father.(Please read up on this)

    • @stevewilliams5428
      @stevewilliams5428 Před 3 měsíci +10

      Police didn't see anyone moving around inside the house....It was Bamber who told them he had seen someone at a window and put the idea into their heads to start the whole 'seige' scenario and that Sheila had done it.

    • @starryian007
      @starryian007 Před 3 měsíci

      Yup
      Spot on Steve.

    • @tomrogers7110
      @tomrogers7110 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @mollydacrcey7148 There is more to it, as you must know.

  • @MisterAndrewBuckley
    @MisterAndrewBuckley Před 3 měsíci +12

    That psychologist is proving the point of reasonable doubt with her professional bias, she's clearly written her script and isn't deviating from it. She hasn't met him, she's not had access to psychological evaluation by a number of psychology and psychiatry professors who have evaluated Bamber over the decades he's been incarcerated, but dispute their findings; sight unseen.
    There should, at least be a review

  • @paulis8107
    @paulis8107 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Nevill Bamber never made a phone call to Bamber, absolutely no evidence.

  • @davidjma7226
    @davidjma7226 Před 3 měsíci +10

    But.....did Police outside or inside the house hear the step sister shoot herself?

    • @steveblundell7766
      @steveblundell7766 Před 3 měsíci +2

      There is no evidence that any policeman heard a shot or even saw anybody moving about inside

    • @emmamorris2449
      @emmamorris2449 Před 3 měsíci +1

      The rifle was a .22 calibre and makes the sound of a sharp clap. Ballistic tests proved you wouldn’t have heard it from outside or another part of the house. The officer at the foot of the stairs nearest to the bedroom heard ‘a noise’ and called out for Sheila to make her whereabouts known. He never elaborated on what type of noise he heard.

    • @adamluck6439
      @adamluck6439 Před měsícem

      ​@@emmamorris2449Please may I ask where I can find this information. Many thanks

  • @pigandrunt
    @pigandrunt Před 3 měsíci +6

    Peter cut that guy off as he was answering...turned to Jo who has sat there the whole time sour faced ....odd interview

    • @philgarlic8047
      @philgarlic8047 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Because he knows Bamber's guilty and doesn't suffer gullible members of the JBIC gladly.

  • @cheriereeve8202
    @cheriereeve8202 Před 2 měsíci +2

    If no silencer was used, why was it not simply reported that Sheila ‘ran upstairs’ and shot herself, and by that the police all would have heard without a doubt the gunshot?
    If that all happened, why would the police need to blame anyone else?

  • @SparkySteve.
    @SparkySteve. Před 3 měsíci +4

    Hang on a minute, if no silencer was on the gun, they would have heard the rifle go off when sheila supposedly ran upstairs without anyone seeing her and shot herself
    No one reported a loud gunshot while they was searching the house. Which debunks the theory she was on the floor when the broke their way in.
    This guy is cherry picking clearly a coppers statement that thought he seen 2 people on the floor over no one literally hearing the last gunshot which killed sheila

  • @lulabellegnostic8402
    @lulabellegnostic8402 Před 3 měsíci +22

    PM of sheila showed she died from a gs to the head. So she ran up the stairs with a fatal gs, or she ran upstairs and shot herself but the police didn’t hear it. Yup.

    • @steveblundell7766
      @steveblundell7766 Před 3 měsíci +11

      and they assumed she was dead when she wasn't, and she just "woke-up" and ran upstairs ? This guy has watched too many bad horror movies

    • @nickyrowley3374
      @nickyrowley3374 Před 3 měsíci +7

      Who said she was shot at this point?

    • @starryian007
      @starryian007 Před 3 měsíci

      The first gunshot would have incapacitated her. Sheila was NOT downstairs at all (The clean soles of her feet despite glass and sugar being all over the floor and not a drop of Nevills blood on her kind of put that to bed) The radio logs at the juncture made an error in wahat was later determined to be miscommunication between the Tactical Firearms Unit and those recording the logs.. What they had seen was in fact the body of Nevill@@steveblundell7766

    • @verairemonger1260
      @verairemonger1260 Před 3 měsíci

      You need to look more closely at the evidence that is now available. She was shot a 2nd time, the fatal shot, by bumbling firearms police when they broke in to the farm. You just believe what the media says, when they are know liars. The paperwork revealed in 2002 proves all of the police case was LIES.

  • @willowm9469
    @willowm9469 Před 2 měsíci +4

    The supposed call log shown at 11:20 is actually an internal police communication relaying the information from Jeremy's call. They know this, but they're still trying to pass it off as a call log.

  • @sara-lorrainegannon8320
    @sara-lorrainegannon8320 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Jeremy's Uncle 'discovered' a silencer in a cupboard.........?????????? The Police did not...!!!!!!

    • @philgarlic8047
      @philgarlic8047 Před 2 měsíci

      The police weren't looking for a silencer/moderator because the senior detective in charge, having seen the bare rifle on SC's body, instantly decided that it was an open and shut case of four murders and a suicide. Bamber's cousin, David Boutflour, found the moderator, not his uncle.

  • @lizroberts1569
    @lizroberts1569 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Even if Sheila was alive in the house, it doesn’t mean she killed them and he didn’t.

  • @edz619
    @edz619 Před 3 měsíci +28

    This is one that has never sat well with me. For a conviction it needs to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt and there is plenty of reasonable doubt on this one!!!

    • @kewsiyehboah9514
      @kewsiyehboah9514 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Scary how many unsafe convictions are made..

    • @simonlevett4776
      @simonlevett4776 Před 3 měsíci +2

      The jury didn't think so.

    • @edz619
      @edz619 Před 3 měsíci

      @@simonlevett4776 Wow.. did you work that out all by yourself 🤔🙄

    • @astroterf.
      @astroterf. Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​@@simonlevett4776they didn't have all the evidence so is it any wonder?

    • @paulis8107
      @paulis8107 Před 2 měsíci

      Sheila or Bamber did this.
      Sheila was forensically ruled out. It was proved in court that June was forensically more soiled with blood + other fluids than Sheila.
      Sheila did nothing.

  • @user-ki1fx9vx7b
    @user-ki1fx9vx7b Před 3 měsíci +21

    In your view but it was clear as day to me, there was no way on gods earth that she shot herself as the weapon was far too long

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Well it obviously wasn't too long, as that is exactly what she did.

    • @nickyrowley3374
      @nickyrowley3374 Před 3 měsíci +4

      It has since been proven that she could have shot herself, even with either 'one of the 2 moderators' on, although we also now know that one wasn't attached at all.

    • @joeletaxi821
      @joeletaxi821 Před 3 měsíci +3

      If there was no silencer then the gun was not too long and she could have shot herself. However, if she had shot herself without a silencer then the shot would be heard outside by everyone. No sound was heard. There is doubt either way.
      If the girlfriends evidence is removed then there is no case against him and that alone makes this an unsafe conviction.
      This is really interesting so I might buy a book and read the evidence. I'm the same age as JB and I come from Essex. I remember it at the time but we are no 'farmy' people so had no connection to these types. I think there should be a retrial because, in the advent of new information, we might be more sure with the subsequent outcome.

    • @steveblundell7766
      @steveblundell7766 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@joeletaxi821 The girlfriend's evidence is not the strongest evidence against Bamber, he damned himself when lied to the police about receiving a phone call from his father that his sister had a gun and had gone crazy. The phone call could not have happened, so how else would he know about potential gun murders at the farm unless he was responsible?

    • @joeletaxi821
      @joeletaxi821 Před 3 měsíci

      @@steveblundell7766 I thought it said it was confirmed that the father had called the son. The father also called Witham police station. Unless it was Bamber himself that made those calls. It’s confusing.

  • @Vangough792
    @Vangough792 Před 3 měsíci +61

    His supposed grief at the funeral looks so fake. He’s a crap actor

    • @starryian007
      @starryian007 Před 3 měsíci

      It was on VIDEO and on every News outlet broadcasting in 1985.
      He faked that emotion and according to those who were there, the moment he entered the hearse he stopped and was laughing and joking.
      So please stop talking crap.@@Nauysvyf

    • @lucymooch5821
      @lucymooch5821 Před 3 měsíci +5

      That Oscar winning performance got me thinking as well, has he just pulled off the big one.

    • @verairemonger1260
      @verairemonger1260 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Does that prove he killed them? You are a crap judge of character, but hey ho.

    • @verairemonger1260
      @verairemonger1260 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@lucymooch5821 You were thinking? Is there any proof of that? There doesn't seem to be any evidence.

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +5

      So because he can't act he's guilty of mass murder. 🤔 Ridiculous comment.

  • @KF-cx8bm
    @KF-cx8bm Před měsícem +3

    The right man is in jail, this is just nonsense

  • @stevefreary7449
    @stevefreary7449 Před 3 měsíci +21

    he is guilty as ever anybody was !!! This is idiotic !!!

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Based on your perception of the TV and media coverage. Dig out and read the actual evidence.

    • @themaestro7600
      @themaestro7600 Před měsícem

      he didnt do it

  • @johnleech777
    @johnleech777 Před 3 měsíci +4

    That phone document is the one logging Jeremy’s call . Saying father called him . Neville did not phone the police that s been proven and explained so many times.

  • @julieviollet1657
    @julieviollet1657 Před 3 měsíci

    Very interesting. This is the first episode ai have seen, but look forward to watching others.

  • @paulrichards6894
    @paulrichards6894 Před 3 měsíci +9

    Ex copper presenter has made his mind up he is guilty

    • @philgarlic8047
      @philgarlic8047 Před 3 měsíci +1

      ... and he's right.

    • @paulrichards6894
      @paulrichards6894 Před 3 měsíci

      @@philgarlic8047 i probably agree with him but as a presenter you must be balanced

  • @adamcollins915
    @adamcollins915 Před 3 měsíci +8

    Surprising that neither Bamber or Nevill called 999.

    • @starryian007
      @starryian007 Před 3 měsíci

      Nope
      He actually wasted precious time looking up the number. He thought that the local police would collect him (In the event they suggested that they meet him there)and take him to the farm where he would pull his 'shocked discovery moment' and attempt to sell the police found before them and make it apparent he wasn't present at the farm.
      Thats why.@@Nauysvyf

    • @CharlieCharlie881
      @CharlieCharlie881 Před 3 měsíci +2

      He didn't get a chance too

    • @adamcollins915
      @adamcollins915 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@Nauysvyf Chelmsford was over 20 miles away.

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Not surprising at all in the 80's. Local police numbers were generally kept by the phone and only 4 digits long, a good possibility that if it was a more modern phone the number would have been stored, as Neville was a local magistrate.
      Plus it's irrelevant anyway as the cars would still have been dispatched from the same locations.

    • @adamcollins915
      @adamcollins915 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@Nauysvyf Why would a magistrate know the number of a police station over 20 miles away?
      Nevill would just take the rifle off Sheila.

  • @thesaint5619
    @thesaint5619 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Bamber did it get over it

  • @PeterMurrayComedyCam
    @PeterMurrayComedyCam Před 3 měsíci +9

    This case has a number of concerning aspects, and a fresh look at it bearing in mind again so much new evidence has now been released.

  • @denisehay8895
    @denisehay8895 Před 3 měsíci +34

    Thank God we don't have the death penalty,

    • @yvonnelashford2969
      @yvonnelashford2969 Před 3 měsíci +3

      I think forty years in prison would be worse.

    • @starryian007
      @starryian007 Před 3 měsíci +5

      He's guilty

    • @williamrae9954
      @williamrae9954 Před 3 měsíci

      Not a DP case...only use it for those caught red handed,like Robert Black and Lee Rigby's killers! Idiots confuse these cases!

    • @verairemonger1260
      @verairemonger1260 Před 3 měsíci +6

      @@starryian007 No, he's not. And there is no evidence of his guilt. Otherwise the police would have used it at his trial, instead of manufacturing a load of bs with the help of the family, who couldn't wait to get their greedy mits on all the loot. Hope you're never on a jury.

    • @steveblundell7766
      @steveblundell7766 Před 3 měsíci +7

      @@verairemonger1260 There is evidence of his guilt, he claimed to have recieved a phone call from his father telling him his sister 'has a gun' and 'has gone crazy.' This phone call could not have happened, so how else would he know about potential gun murders at the farm unless he did them himself?

  • @levistubbs8949
    @levistubbs8949 Před 3 měsíci +6

    I think his girlfriend should be questioned.

    • @ChrisShortyAllen
      @ChrisShortyAllen Před 3 měsíci +3

      She knows he's guilty

    • @trishmarshall2371
      @trishmarshall2371 Před 2 měsíci

      He was convicted mainly on his girlfriend Julie Mugford’s statement… she’s on the other side of the world now and I doubt she will retract it!

    • @michelleroberts-ez7ye
      @michelleroberts-ez7ye Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@trishmarshall2371 Sold her story to a paper.

    • @trishmarshall2371
      @trishmarshall2371 Před 2 měsíci

      @@michelleroberts-ez7ye I know

  • @cromwellsghost3434
    @cromwellsghost3434 Před 2 měsíci +3

    16:05 you have to be careful with psychologists. She listed some traits,
    Charming
    Articulate
    Puts his case forward.
    In her head and world that
    = narcissist/psychopath
    Because these people are determined to detect these things.
    The problem is anyone who presents well, and talks well can fall into these categories.
    The traits and definitions of these groups is so broad you can fit almost anyone into these categories.
    I do presentations verbally, I use humour to relax people. And ask the audience questions to keep them engaged. I’m articulate, I use different types of language depending on the audience, or the point I’m trying to make.
    It’s my job, I’m not a narc, but 2 hours in a room with this lady and you’re 80% likely to be labelled one or something else.

  • @jamescatterall4832
    @jamescatterall4832 Před 3 měsíci +5

    so mr bamber phoned the police and said your sister has gone crazy?

  • @saudade369
    @saudade369 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Has she seen these personality disorders in people who were accused and who were subsequently proven innocent ? wonder how many people assumed to be killers just because they had such traits ?
    It staggers me that we continually learn of police hiding evidence that would show innocence . What kind of people do we entrust with the finding of killers when they will do such things ?it’s as if they place greater importance in getting a conviction than actually finding the real killer and we hear this time and again . What kind of immoral unethical , person would think this is anyway right ?

  • @debramckay4611
    @debramckay4611 Před 3 měsíci +45

    Wasn't It proven that It would have been impossible for Sheila to reach the trigger, let alone shoot herself twice

    • @melgrant7404
      @melgrant7404 Před 3 měsíci +8

      Not impossible but unlikely according to experts.

    • @zagozago9893
      @zagozago9893 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Not impossible, even with the sound moderator. But there were two sound moderators. Both were red herrings.

    • @abdell75roussos
      @abdell75roussos Před 3 měsíci +7

      JB has many middle age single females. I knew of his GF and she said he did for sure, they omit her testimony.

    • @starryian007
      @starryian007 Před 3 měsíci

      They were not red herrings. Sheila’s DNA was not found on the silencer, Nevill Bamber, a powerful man of 6ft 4in, had a broken jaw and numerous abrasions when he died, suggesting a violent struggle Incidentally Sheila supposedly shot herself TWICE. The first shot would have rendered her incapable of delivering the second.
      .@@zagozago9893

    • @williamrae9954
      @williamrae9954 Před 3 měsíci +1

      SNP politician shot himself twice in the head...then ran down to the loch,to dispose of the gun,before returning to his car to die...always be wary of 'experts' with an agenda?

  • @helenallison1637
    @helenallison1637 Před 3 měsíci +13

    Dreadful interview - biased towards the 'Bamber done it' theory. Who is Jo? She hadn't even met him, yet confidently diagnosed him as a personality disorder. Well maybe he is, but it doesn't make him a murderer. I remember thinking at the time that the evidence against him was weak. He was a cocky, arrogant 20 yr old and was going to inherit a lot of money. People didn't like, him and he didn't exactly help himself. Good luck to him, I hope he wins the appeal.

    • @narcdetester2102
      @narcdetester2102 Před 3 měsíci

      There was overwhelming evidence against him which came out in court. That is why the jury convicted him

  • @BeesWaxMinder
    @BeesWaxMinder Před 3 měsíci +4

    11:20 - this is a log of JB's call to the cops NOT his fathers...🙄 is there anyone who has any links for any documents supporting phone calls made to the police or anyone FROM the farmhouse at any time in a 24 hour period around the murders, please?
    Thanks in advance

  • @kenirving5240
    @kenirving5240 Před 3 měsíci +8

    Blimey, if ever there’s been a case of ‘once a copper always a copper’. Talk about leading questions!

  • @darksideofthemoon317
    @darksideofthemoon317 Před 3 měsíci +9

    this show its awesome i love it ❤

  • @LittlePinkPiggy1
    @LittlePinkPiggy1 Před 3 měsíci +2

    The police made so many mistakes in this case, which has allowed JB to convince people that he is innocent.

    • @philgarlic8047
      @philgarlic8047 Před 2 měsíci

      There was only one mistake made by Officer-in-charge Taff Jones when he closed the case before it had begun and brooked no argument. Underling officers with more nous, such as Stan Jones, Bob Miller, Chris Bews et al. suspected that Bamber was lying soon after they met him.

  • @Posie-hg1ze
    @Posie-hg1ze Před 3 měsíci +5

    How did she shoot herself more than once🤔

    • @philgarlic8047
      @philgarlic8047 Před 3 měsíci +1

      She didn't, Bamber did.

    • @Posie-hg1ze
      @Posie-hg1ze Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@philgarlic8047 obviously! There’s no way she committed those murders.

  • @patcardiff2563
    @patcardiff2563 Před 3 měsíci +4

    I am so glad hanging was abolished in 1951 an innocent Somali man named mamood Hassan 13:49ers hung here in Cardiff and many years later was proved innocent he couldn’t even speak English he left a wife and three children look up on the internet

  • @user-xv9yc4wb2x
    @user-xv9yc4wb2x Před 3 měsíci +26

    Examine the bullet trajectories in the walls...the room is pretty much untouched. They will indicate the height of the shooter. Case closed. Neville's trousers were pulled down in a humiliation style ritual, a very telling psychological detail. The killer knew Neville and had a severe personal animus toward him. Sheila wouldn't have done that, nor did she hate Nev. Also, if she was going on a gun rampage, I kind of think she'd put her knickers on!

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci +5

      You need to look up as to how Neville's pajamas were down. You also need to read all the reports and information about Sheila's, mental health and what had gone on in the months prior to the murders.

    • @lizmacleod8903
      @lizmacleod8903 Před 3 měsíci +3

      ​@@davepenton4137 To fully understand Sheilas mental health reports, one needs specialist knowledge in understanding it.

    • @MsVanorak
      @MsVanorak Před 2 měsíci +2

      he'd been dragged about by his shoulders and posed. it dragged his trews down and made a burn mark. sheila had been dragged about and posed too.

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @MsVanorak yes by the police, if you look at the crime scene photos you will see that the photos change (position of bodies) from 1st to last. It's been found the burn mark was Neville was originally leaning against the AGA.

    • @MsVanorak
      @MsVanorak Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@davepenton4137 it was harvest time/summer so why would the aga be lit? they surely had an emersion heater system for hot water and there was a free standing electric cooker in the kitchen if i remember rightly.

  • @pisgah2715
    @pisgah2715 Před 3 měsíci +1

    How can you diagnose someone without meeting them? It's not possible. I am not happy that the conviction in his case was sound.

  • @ecosse1982
    @ecosse1982 Před 3 měsíci +1

    You have the right to remain watching!

    • @philgarlic8047
      @philgarlic8047 Před 3 měsíci

      ... but anything you say will be taken down and may be given in evidence.

  • @mikedee1771
    @mikedee1771 Před 3 měsíci +30

    Not for the first time in this case "new evidence" but anyone familiar with the case won't be buying it.

    • @zagozago9893
      @zagozago9893 Před 3 měsíci +3

      That's because it's not ''new evidence''.

    • @yvonnehartley6837
      @yvonnehartley6837 Před 3 měsíci +3

      The CCRC will only look at submissions which contain new evidence of which there is an abundance they are considering

  • @Arfabiscuit
    @Arfabiscuit Před 2 měsíci +7

    No Bamber is 100% guilty

  • @johnleech777
    @johnleech777 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Lights going on and off ? Curtains opening and closing ? Where’s that evidence . Sheila was obviously a 15 stone wrestler to harm her dad in that way .

  • @darrenjones7607
    @darrenjones7607 Před 3 měsíci +12

    Embarrassing show , you never give those guys a chance . Everyone knows the corruption that has gone on over the years. Can you imagine them admitting they got this one wrong. It’s too big , it will cost them millions in compensation. It really sounds like they have some good evidence here . But I’ll bet anything it’ll make no difference.

    • @philgarlic8047
      @philgarlic8047 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Essex Police didn't get it wrong. Bamber was, is and always will be guilty, end of.

    • @darrenjones7607
      @darrenjones7607 Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@philgarlic8047 ex copper or mason ? What a ridiculous comment

    • @2msvalkyrie529
      @2msvalkyrie529 Před 2 měsíci

      There are dozens of lawyers and
      journalists who would love to get
      any evidence of a miscarriage of justice . And yet these clowns fail to produce it ..?? Why not ?!?

  • @zoe486
    @zoe486 Před 3 měsíci +10

    I know someone who new Bamber very well. He was convinced Bamber had the wear withal to make out he did not do it but he did do it.

  • @irenetaylopr8041
    @irenetaylopr8041 Před 3 měsíci +24

    A narcissist will persuade themselves they are innocent.

    • @stephenholmes1036
      @stephenholmes1036 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Ha ha not always and his sister had a far more dangerous mental illness

    • @steveblundell7766
      @steveblundell7766 Před 3 měsíci +6

      @@stephenholmes1036 Incorrect, there is no evidence to suggest that her schizophrenia made her dangerous to others

    • @zagozago9893
      @zagozago9893 Před 3 měsíci

      @@steveblundell7766 She had threatened to kill herself and her children.

    • @manoo422
      @manoo422 Před 3 měsíci +2

      ...so everyone who IS innocent is a narcissist....!!?

  • @winstonsmith8240
    @winstonsmith8240 Před 3 měsíci +30

    'I'd rather 9 guilty people go free, than 1 innocent man be convicted.'

    • @steveblundell7766
      @steveblundell7766 Před 3 měsíci +7

      As long as those 9 people didn't include Bamber ... his crimes really were the worst

    • @winstonsmith8240
      @winstonsmith8240 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@steveblundell7766 I have to be honest and say I know very little of this case so I'm not in a position to confer guilt or innocence. It's just a principle that I adhere to for humanitarian reasons. (And I'm not a whooly liberal).

    • @Maxie19699
      @Maxie19699 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Even if those people created more victims?

    • @mickymoz1
      @mickymoz1 Před 2 měsíci +1

      so 9 murderers go free to save one innocent man?

    • @charleswhite758
      @charleswhite758 Před 2 měsíci +1

      What if those 9 guilty people were serial killers of schoolgirls?

  • @dawnhauton7543
    @dawnhauton7543 Před 3 měsíci +12

    Why would you show remorse if you didnt do it.......

    • @manoo422
      @manoo422 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Exactly, heads they win, tails you lose!!

    • @narcdetester2102
      @narcdetester2102 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I think they really mean empathy/emotion. He has shown none whatsoever, I believe he is a dangerous man

    • @manoo422
      @manoo422 Před 3 měsíci

      @@narcdetester2102He seemed pretty distressed and emotional at the funeral.

    • @narcdetester2102
      @narcdetester2102 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@manoo422 Not to me he didn't. Play acting all the way. His expressions have never changed every time I have seen him on film

  • @thorntonovski
    @thorntonovski Před 3 měsíci +10

    What a waste of good time! he's guilty. Plenty of better cases of miscarriages to focus on...theyre not as high profile.....thats why you waste time on this. Sad people

  • @todtiger
    @todtiger Před 3 měsíci +24

    Behavioural Psychologists are a waste of oxygen

    • @peteanderson4395
      @peteanderson4395 Před 3 měsíci

      Totally agree... would they of picked up on Peter Sutcliffe??? described by his boss and work mates as a good solid worker and bloke.....

    • @marekohampton8477
      @marekohampton8477 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@peteanderson4395 Who was nicknamed "The Yorkshire Ripper" by said workmates, apparently. 😆

    • @peteanderson4395
      @peteanderson4395 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@marekohampton8477 I didn't know that...... thanks for telling me that

    • @anyawaleofondo
      @anyawaleofondo Před 3 měsíci

      Nope, just this one.

  • @user-eb3vu6hl1v
    @user-eb3vu6hl1v Před 3 měsíci +1

    I remember this case well as we lived pretty close to the scene at the time

  • @garypautard1069
    @garypautard1069 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Sorry if I wrong but I saw a TV programme saying the kitchen carpet was removed and disposed of before a forensic team began their investigation.

  • @MARKKY2727
    @MARKKY2727 Před 3 měsíci +13

    What about the personality of the sister .....not mentioned

    • @manoo422
      @manoo422 Před 3 měsíci +6

      She was pretty therefore couldnt possibly have done it.

    • @jwsuicides8095
      @jwsuicides8095 Před 3 měsíci +4

      I spoke with her just before the murders and she was a complete mess mentally, not able to function.

    • @ryand141
      @ryand141 Před 3 měsíci +1

      They did mention her and her state.

  • @ryanmclaren850
    @ryanmclaren850 Před 3 měsíci +16

    B.S. he's as guilty as sin .

  • @user-il1nj7gu1c
    @user-il1nj7gu1c Před 3 měsíci +2

    As I read the comments to this awful program, I would like to say finally, there is a lot of screwed on people in this chat room who can see right through the bullshit of this program

  • @Leo-dr4qm
    @Leo-dr4qm Před 3 měsíci +13

    How can she call anyone a narcissist look at her face

  • @panpiper3506
    @panpiper3506 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Bamber is as guilty as hell! I am convinced of that beyond any shadow of a doubt

  • @adamcollins915
    @adamcollins915 Před 3 měsíci +17

    There are over 200 pieces of evidence against Bamber. Both forensic and circumstantial.
    Supporters dispute one piece - the silencer. Because the relatives handed it in.

    • @CharlieCharlie881
      @CharlieCharlie881 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@Nauysvyf There was one

    • @verairemonger1260
      @verairemonger1260 Před 3 měsíci +1

      You are wrong, and clearly haven't LOOKED at the evidence, or you would KNOW he is totally innocent. You just keep believing the same old rubbish from the 1986 trial which contains NO evidence of his guilt. The evidence of his INNOCENCE is what they kept hidden till 2002. Along with all the stuff they illegally BURNED. And along with all the crime scene photos they STILL won't disclose, despite 3 court orders to do so. You haters are so keen to keep him inside aren't you. Why? What are you afraid of? Being proved WRONG?

    • @davepenton4137
      @davepenton4137 Před 3 měsíci

      @adamcollins. Not sure where you got that information from, but their was no forensic evidence against him. Even if you was right their is evidence proving he didn't do it running into the 1000's. But 2 very compelling pieces will clear him. The fact that he was outside and the police spoke by phone to someone inside and the fact that Sheila was on the kitchen floor when police checked before entering and upstairs dead in the bedroom when they searched the upstairs approximately 25 minutes after entry.

    • @CharlieCharlie881
      @CharlieCharlie881 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Nauysvyf Nope wrong ,do your research

    • @astroterf.
      @astroterf. Před 3 měsíci +1

      If you think supporters only mention the silencer, you definitely haven't done your homework!

  • @SuperBluegirl2
    @SuperBluegirl2 Před 2 měsíci +1

    What was the point of that psychologist being involved?

  • @joedennehy386
    @joedennehy386 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Even if she was alive he could have shot her, but she didn't die instantly. Faulty logic

  • @widdershins4778
    @widdershins4778 Před 3 měsíci +15

    Razor smith, yammy b was in jail at the same time as him. Both convinced of his guilt by his own actions. Guilty as sin.

  • @bettyboop-xg6jo
    @bettyboop-xg6jo Před 3 měsíci +6

    Fwiw, I also thought the conviction was unsafe. In any case, 40 years in prison is enough.

  • @patriciakelly2714
    @patriciakelly2714 Před 3 měsíci +9

    Hopefully if Bamber is not guilty then he will be released and be compensated.

  • @linzjan4276
    @linzjan4276 Před 2 měsíci +1

    This is a very strange programme, I can not work out what was with the physiologist who seemed very disengaged and wasn’t even really looking at the people she was participating with and almost sneering. I hope this channel doesn’t use her again

  • @jacquib256
    @jacquib256 Před 3 měsíci +3

    'WHO IS SHE?' CERTAINLY NOT JOAN OF ARC or simply someone with a Too Much Filler syndrome

  • @janetmcnichol-fowler4904
    @janetmcnichol-fowler4904 Před 3 měsíci +17

    I have always said that he didn’t kill the family, but other family members who wanted the house and money for themselves. Police ignored a lot of information and strange how other family members "came across" evidence.

    • @philgarlic8047
      @philgarlic8047 Před 3 měsíci +7

      Say what you want, but Bamber was rightly convicted for disposing of five family members to get his inheritance well before it was due. Not even his two six-year-old nephews were going to stand in his way.

    • @christinestanding
      @christinestanding Před měsícem

      and, "other family members "came across" evidence' following a police search...so we are led to believe that the police missed this vital piece of evidence but "other family members " found it once the police had left?

  • @cashkitty3472
    @cashkitty3472 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Hr did it. The fact he was not concerned with his inheritance than his nephews parents and sister being dead, speaks volumes.

  • @wawawutosnftbs8922
    @wawawutosnftbs8922 Před 3 měsíci +6

    He's has guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo..

  • @davidgraham6434
    @davidgraham6434 Před 3 měsíci +13

    First of all, Bamber is definitely a very dislikeable character, but there is no question, there are huge question marks over the investigation, there was some dodgy behaviour from the in-laws, who had a lot to gain from Bambers conviction