China's Winning Strategy in the Global South
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- U.S. and European officials often lament that they've fallen behind China when it comes to engaging Africa, Asia, the Americas, and other developing regions. Western governments aren't set up to rapidly deploy the kind of money and resources that Beijing's done with its Belt and Road Initiative over the past ten years.
While the U.S. and Europe are now trying to catch up, author Jeremy Garlick writes in his new book Advantage China: Agent of Change in an Era of Global Disruption that their efforts are hamstrung not only by money but also by history.
Jeremy joins Eric & Cobus to explain why he thinks China's political system provides key systemic advantages over its Western rivals when it comes to engaging the Global South.
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I think that the major difference between the American Government and the Chinese Government is that the American Government exists to serve a very small subset of very rich, very powerful elites at the expense of the average American citizens, while the Chinese Government actually tries to serve all the Chinese citizens and has been very successful at improving the lives of all the Chinese citizens.
the US Illuminati mobs have been ordered to play at pragmatism
Again, China is not stuck on lower income. It is growing and continues to grow. The one country trying to hold China back is the US, not Chinese political system
And the US is not doing it by fair competition. Rather, the US uses its funds to sabotage and undermine fair competition. The US is not genuine.
The chinese system is the very reason why china is so successful.
Also, comparing incomes in China to the West is ridiculous, when so much of Western income goes toward paying private tax/rent seekers. For example, bankers taking 3% of every e-payment or health insurance costing thousands of dollars a month.
because we Chinese is IN the global south， and treats other country as equal
I don't think so. Land and sea grabber indeed
@@Mju629who?you mean Phillipine try to rob Chinese islands?
The US a Democracy. Is this a Joke...
Democracy is just a system the rich control everything
Democrazy
@@antwangodemoncrazy?
It's a dictator democracy
Allow me to share my definition of democracy: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. For example, a 2 or 4-year repeat cycle is enough to rekindle hope for the Americans.
The ex colonial powers see nothing wrong in having colonized or enslaved other people, and see no correlation between the past and present misery of the people of the former colonies. Most of them just dismiss it by saying that it happened long time ago
In the 1980's there were still indian residential schools in existence in Canada where indigenous children were mistreated and some of them even killed as later school mass graves were found using x ray technology. So, that wasn't too long ago and many of the victims of that colonization abomination are still alive to report on the events that took place. All that isn't widely reported in the western Msm like they prefer to point fingers to others to divert from their own sins.
Black people are still sabotaged today. These people are thinking we are stupid. The change is here, and best they can do is slow it down, but can't stop it
Yes, and if they cannot admit their mistake, they will never be able to bring themselves to treat the global south as equals. That's the problem...
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@bobm 38:53 orane4926
Different mindset. Day and night difference between America and China.
The deep root in Chinese history is “everyone in the world should be brothers” - 四海之内皆兄弟. In other hand, colonialism and racism are deep in the western history. This is the fundamental difference.
In all seriousness, you can't compare a country with 1.4 billions ppl to a city state of 5 to 6 millions. Shanghai 1s 30 millions ppl. Shenzhen is 25 millions. If you do compare Shenzhen to Taiwan or Singapore, the outcome is already there. China has already achieved its goal. So pls show some maturity in your analysis !!!!
Spot on.
One recent study claimed that the British robbed $47 trillion out of India alone through its colonization period. How could you not be wealthy with that kind of windfall?
Well, the UK colonisers didn't rob India, it was the India gift to the Master, you can confirm this simply by looking at today Indian. Look at the Chinese today, the UK try to keep Hong Kong and what happened? Chinese aren't having any masters
Since the defeat in the opium war China had been plundered of wealth worth 17 years of GDP in reparations and indemnity!
I agree that the Western countries need to come to grips with their colonial history in order to be able to improve their relationships with the Global South countries, but they also have to overcome their sense of white superiority that also developed as they colonized those countries. This issue was not discussed and until it can be dealt with, how can Western countries treat the "darker races" with respect as equal human beings.
They can't swallow their prejudices against people who they are think are inferior ,,
Could be due to their history , culture and social environment .
If you treat your enemy as an equal, and acknowledge the wrongdoing, you then have to REPAIR the wrongdoing, aka REPARATIONS, and they are not ready to do that. They will have to be forced to pay up. This what they are afraid of. Primary enemy of Them Folks are black people globally, then number two, any other black but don't call themselves black groups like Indians, etc...then Asians they designated as number 2 in this system
If they acknowledge it, then they know they have to pay. It's unavoidable, so they try to distract us all, but more and more people aren't buying it anymore.
Competing system? Sounds more like sabotaging.
The west is good at sanctions
400 year head start and complaining about a country 50 years into the game. Squandered the free pass and now caugh up in the hubrid bubble.
China has been in the game for 2000 years. It was absent for 150 years and catching up for 50. The west is new to the game.
10:00 - the argument that "democracies are more prosperous now, therefore democracy is superior" has the classic logical flaw of confusing correlation w/ causation. How did the so-called "western democracies" get rich & get ahead in the first place? Was it "democracy" or was it imperialism & genocide? When the so-called "western democracies" were engaging in slavery, colonialism, & militaristic expansion, were they behaving in a "democratic" fashion? Moreover, one can't even make the argument that these countries were INTERNALLY democratic, even if they were externally dictatorial. When the West were the rising powers, they were either monarchies or de facto oligarchies (albeit some, such as the US, had a veneer of "democracy") - without exception.
The speaker correctly points out that none of the East Asian "tiger" countries were democratic during the bulk of their rapid rise in prosperity. However, it's even more important to emphasize that the West's own experience doesn't even support the causal linkage between democracy & economic prosperity.
True
USA, the so call beacon of democracy is not even a true democracy but a Republic.
Several centuries of pillage and plunder, territorial expansion of which the Anglosphere gained pre-eminence, and now arbiters of the biggest fraud, "freedom and democracy".
Spot on
You forgot that a lot of people were in misery or killed. Democracy is a softer system.
Daniel Twining let out a lot of g arbage from his mouth. He seems to be very proud of the fact that washington dc invests heavily in coup detats in southern countries.
Why does he keep saying Rule of law as if the world follows the Anglo rule of law which is the better term coming from him! It’s a law for them to rule others whilst not following their own rules when it comes to their war crimes ! War criminals will be brought to justice, everyone of them from UK to America!
China neighbor the boastful country "I" is trying to challenge China to become the leader of Global South. But what have they done and build for the Global South countries so far compare with China.
Japan is not a country, it's a company of America Black Rock, just like the India to the UK Far East India Company, the Japanese know this, and therefore gave up by letting their country sink
Look who's talking. Isn't it China now is slowly sinking? The world is round don't expect to always be on top. China does not respect other countries rghts and international law ..Small countries will shame your big China. Wait for that
I think some Countries in the West want to join the Brics but they are unable to speak for themselves.
With all due respect, a border skirmish doesn't equal colonization where the indigenous population is exploited in a one way street. As much as you guys love to make fun of Europeans who are unaware of their colonial pasts, i find it as disgusting that you guys nilly willy compare a Chinese border clash as equivalent to colonialism.
Exactly. And China only invade Vietnam to stop its invasion of Cambodia and Laos to form Greater Vietnam. China withdrew unilaterally once Vietnam got the message.
Not surprised. After all, this Eric guy is from Sinica podcast. He is moving from Hongkong to Vietnam to avoid getting caught after the new HK national security law was passed.
it's also funny that Americans forget that we fought an actual war of conquest with Mexico.
Very interesting discussion. Thumbs up.
It is worth noting that western pressure only accelerates Chinese urgency for progress. For example:
1. Chip restrictions have increased efforts to develop technology domestically. China is now designing and improving chip manufacturing on shore. This will also be reflected in AI and robotics development.
2. Western military containment increases Chinese will to develop relations with global south nations. This is reflected in projects with ASEAN, west/central Asia, South America, etc. This also forces China to expand military development, especially with its navy. I would not be surprised if nuclear arsenal recieves investment as well.
3. Western economic protectionism forces China to look to other markets to sell to, and to circumvent restrictions. The grip tightens, but the fingers are porous.
In addition to Corbus statement on democracy, the American view that most investment and financial flows emanate from democracies, while true, does not flow into the developing South in the same manner it does to the G7 and its politically allied countries. European recent democracies like Poland and ex-Soviet states that have joined the NATO alliance can tap American-run global finance at much cheaper interest rates than any democracy in say, Africa. The US certainly doesn't make investment decisions based on the prevailing political system of a country.
Also the US has a way of making sweeping statements and generalisations to justify its political and ideological stance without seeing that only a minority of its own fervent allies are beneficiaries of its investment largesse. It's like with Africa, the US would boast of the $billions it gives in aid to Africa meanwhile 90% of that aid goes to one non-democratic country (Egypt) to preserve US geopolitical interest.
China unfortunately is very promiscuous with its funds. Unlike the US, the Chinese are willing to provide development and infrastructure funds to any country that recognises 'One China', rather than target funds - like the US, to countries they are geopolitically allied to. Western funds are concentrated on investing - except where natural resources are concerned, in Western-allied countries, while Chinese funds are diluted among many countries a lot of whom are merely acting opportunistically.
The way America practices "law based" is to CHANGE THE LAW to fit the crime.
Latest example: Tik Tok
It has nothing to do with continuity but the respect and our common respect that either the west og America has shown to Africa. The global west is tired of being plundered og dictated to.
An excellent episode on China and Global South along with discussion on Mr Garrick’s book. The author indicates the West’s attitudes on Africa as an authoritative elderly uncle and the argument for the rigidity of Chinese system are self defeating and incorrect. This is not about winning or losing in Chinese thinking and repeatedly they have been saying Chinese system is not exportable and the only political requirement they need from other nations is to recognize one China including Taiwan.
China practices democratic centralism but this concept is not understood without an understanding of Marxism it is a much better means of delivering the priorities of the population
TOO LATE FOR USA TO MAKE A COME BACK .ALL COUNTRIES ARE TOO
SHY TO TRUST THE
US ANYMORE NO MATTER HOW MUST THE US TRY TO INVEST !😂😂😂😂
Fabulous guest with most insightful and honest take on China:
1. China and Chinese people are pragmatic. They have perfected this trait over several thousands years. In contrast, the west has so convinced themselves that their brand of governance is the holy grail and entirely infallible that it has become lazy, rigid and void of imagination. The delusional and religious belief that when you achieve “democracy”, every success will follow as a matter of course. How shallow.
2. The guest is so right to say that before the west can begin to compete with China in earnest, it has first to show due respect to China’s accomplishments - that China has earned their accomplishments through good planning, hard work and effective governance, not through theft or trickery. But that ain’t going to happen. The west is too busy vilifying China on a daily basis. Too much pride. It makes it impossible to be humble and too hard to accept reality. Much easier to keep denying.
3. The west is tone death when it comes to dealing with the global south. The bottomline is: the west is not coming at it with genuine concerns and care. It only does it as a defensive measure against a third party, i.e. China. That much is clear to the global south.
4. The west is all about theatrics: big and bold announcements, big talk and promises. China just lets its actions do the talking. That much is also clear to the global south.
5. My advice to Europe is: break away from the US, work and compete with China on its own. The more it “aligns” with the US to counter China, the worse it looks to the global south - the same old white colonial powers closing ranks to exploit the rest of the world. That is not going to win any hearts and minds from the global south.
The west cannot compete with China until it significantly changes its mindset and policies. That is not going to happen until insights and opinions espoused by the guest speaker and others with similar views become mainstream.
Don't just talk about per capita GDP but instead talk about the fair distribution of wealth and the eradication of poverty among the whole populace.
Well done China
These are important traits of people of China and to good extent elsewhere in the Far East and South East Asia :
Flexibility, Pragmatism, Discipline
Unfortunately there's countless examples od democracies that haven't panned out , Sri lanka, brazil, S Africa, atvleast not to the level u're trying to argue that democracies are slam dunks. The democracies u're talking about are remnants of clonial powers ready to game the system to their advantage and use democracy as a trojan horse to intervene in weaker democracies to milk on their resources at durt cheap prices. That's the business model of the soi disant 'democracies ' u're referring to, more like plutocracies or autocracies in disguise.
What system do you prefer instead?
@@frv6610 I'm sure the small biz guy that's going bankrupt in murica due to excessive healthcare bills would then realise the difference between capitalism and plutocracy. I guess a child would know which candy is better. Do you know which system u'd prefer ? How old r u ?
must the world listen to media preach
The best episode of 2024.
@@mistman5640 I am not actually aware of NED funding for the CGSP.
What an insult to people are kind enough to offer to broker possibly peace. Disgusting! An apology is due.
And in America, open your eyes
Daniel who?
If PRC had been all rigid and immobile ( non-reforming ) as the Western Media portrays, PRC and CCP had long followed USSR footpath already.
The narative about democracy being better is flawed. South Korea and Singapore, two countries not a petrol state... Also, the factthat China tremendous growth is still growing, and will be much higher without USA containment, means that there are factor X that should explain about being a high income countries
Glad to discover this channel. Very intelligent comments too👍👍.
This Jeremy guy is completely wrong on A LOT. There aren't a lot of "rules" the USA or Europe have to follow. It only comes to when THEY don't want to do something, it's "rules", but if THEY do, then they do it. There is no "africa needs charity" as he says. It's more like "We need to hold back africa, so we keep destabilizing it, and come in with 'charity' organizations to bring in weapons and other items to threaten would-be liberators" and African nations are tired of it. They have a better chance breaking free with military agreements with Russia, China and India than they do with any of these destabilization efforts of the white run nations (so-called West).
The "africa needs charity" is for public consumption to hide their racism and destabilization efforts. How is africa poor but europe has some money (in a very few people's hands) and Europe has nearly NO RESOURCES and Africa has most of them? Only ONE conclusion, and no academic 'splaining gonna work anymore these days. Nope. That time is OVER.
The differenc between north and south korea is the back breaking sanctions. 😂
The main problem is poor people in poor countries need food and shelter to survive poverty. They can't survive on "lectures" on democratic principles of freedom of speech and religion. Wealthy Americans see the global foreign poor as "homeless people" looking for a handout, which is not true. They are willing to pay using their country's resources as collateral. However, market prices for food are expensive. China provides a pathway to survival by providing food and infrastructure at lower prices than USA.
I would like to suggest subscribe to access your materials on Africa-China reports. I am a student at UJ
Tenacity and patience
Gotta pick up and read this book later.
An excellent interview. I am always amused how myopic and self-referential DC Beltway thinking is when it comes to the Global South and China's relationships with it. Unable to really process what others like you guys have been finding and saying for some time, even from foreign officials. They always make it about the U.S and the "Rules based Order" and never taking what others say into account.
Just revert to old or modified talking points yet always puzzled why it never seems to make an impact.
Rule base order? What a joke! Just look at Gaza.
@jeremy
NoKor could not prosper solely because they could not trade with other countries because of USA sanctions. Let us talk again once they have market access(BRICS)....
Well done Sinologists .
Yes its messy, who the hell care richer or not but messiness...NO!
Okay 👌
Is it India the sole global south leader proclaimed by Palki? Pls include India into the conversation 😅
If one is cocksure that China will not able to compete, why bother with her policy? As over 90% of her population prefer to have what they have now, so why waste all your precious time to discredit what she is doing? You should simply go on with your practices to outpace China; surely given the time, China would fall back to her original position. I don't think China is going to be bothered with whatever conclusions you could imagine. As an outsider, I want to stand back and watch the outcome within the next 5 years!
Nothing is constant in the universe except American hypocrisy.😂
The west forces its values to others. The west should respect others also has its own values.
What garbage propaganda!
The gentleman apparently "forgets" that North Korea has been under SEVRERE sanctions by the Americans for decades. No nation can thrive when it is in solitary confinement.
The gentleman has also "forget" to mention the largeat "democracy" on the planet, India.
He might want to check that India and China started at roughly the same spot 40 years ago on GDP terms.
Intellectual integrity in wanting here.😂😂
And you would also wonder why such obvious fallacy was not noticed and pointed out by the host who supposedly are very familiar with the Asian history. Oh wait, Eric used to be with Sinica podcast…. Oh I know now.😅
I disagree, comparing wealth between North & South Korea is like comparing apples with oranges. North Korea is poor is due in large part because of sanctions from US/west. They are poor not because of lack of liberal democracy or lack of an open society. Cuba is also the same, the list goes on. Many countries are poor because the imperial west mandate that they are poor, the evil west will do anything to make sure they stay poor. It's important that everyone understands this.
Chinese communism equals to getting things done but democracy does not.
Why didn’t you talk about India that are similar to China. They are world no.1 democracy and was ahead of China in 1947. They are still down at the bottom. How do you support your case about size and democracy?
I find it amusing when Westerners discuss and talks about China, relating to their decisions making, strategies, etc without a clue on China’s culture, philosophy and beliefs.
You are at best scratching the surface and viewing it from the lens of your own upbringing, religion, culture, etc.
Sure, of course, what other lens could we use other than our own? That’s only natural, right? It’s the same when Chinese commentators talk about the U.S. and other regions. But the key thing is to have these conversations. More people from more backgrounds talking about China’s role in the world is a good thing and badly needed in today’s world. - Eric
Almost all countries in the global south know what thieves/liars& debt trapping ways the Chinese must be taught a real good lesson period
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There is no vision in chinese ideas of asking some countries with no idea of the outcome of the project just providing the project but b noot providing local workers on thr project local labor will not share in the job thus it will not help its people during the construction period