Learning Point 225 - A Toucan Crossing
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2020
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I never understood this obsession with the DVSA about all their toucan, puffin, albatross, fulmar crossings. It was part of my theory test back in the '90s. As a driver I have more things to worry about and there are simply traffic light controlled crossings, and old fashioned zebra crossings.
Just don't park or overtake on the zigzags (hey all you yummy mummies picking up the kids from school in the Discovery).
I love how you explain things and encourage the driver.
Does that all make sense?
No, why are they naming crossings after birds? Is it just to make it impossible to know what's going on until someone explains it?
They are acronyms. Just google it. They are not all birds..there are zebra, tiger and pegasus too.
Here you go this may help...
Zebra crossing - it's stripey like a zebra and helps you cross the road
Pelican crossing - Pedestrian light controlled crossing (a zebra crossing with traffic lights)
Toucan crossing - A pelican crossing designed for both pedestrians and cyclists to cross a road. (Two can cross > tou-can cross)
Pegasus crossing - Either a pelican or toucan crossing with an extra control panel high up for horse riders. Pegasus doesn't actually have a contrived acronym, it's just the name of Hercules's flying horse.
Puffin crossing - Pedestrian User-Friendly Intelligent crossing - pelican crossings with fancy sensors that can tell if there's actually a pedestrian there or not. Helps prevent delays.
Then the experimental ones:
Panda crossing - a failed precursor to the pelican crossing with a confusing lighting system.
Tiger crossing - A zebra crossing with a bike lane, but not controlled by lights like a toucan crossing. Named after tigers because early versions were black and yellow rather than black and white.
@@1ninjatiger Excellent post. I hope that people actually bother to read it. Gets a big 👍 from me.
Brem it all makes sense, you just have to think about it properly.
Zebra - because of the black & white stripes (no traffic light just a beacon).
Pelican - Pedestrian Light Controlled Crossing.
Puffin - Pedestrian User Friendly Intelligent crossing.
Toucan - two can cross (cyclists too).
School crossings - with a 'lollypop man/woman (warden)'.
Pedestrian refuge - islands in the middle of the roads to help walkers cross but cars still have priority.
Equestrian crossing - we have these in my city, for riders on horseback to cross without dismounting.
@@1ninjatiger Great information there, thanks! Luckily they abandoned the Dodo crossing where it would randomly tell you to cross regardless of the lights.
As a motorist it makes little sense to me to introduce a distinction since cyclists ride across every type of crossing anyway.
Introduce? They’ve been around for 30 years. Cyclists are not allowed to cycle over a pedestrian only crossing..if they wish to cross they must dismount.
@@1ninjatiger he's also saying some cyclists don't know / don't care about this and ride over any crossing
If all they have to do is dismount, who cares if it's a ped only crossing anyway.
Tom Millard Thats all well and good but if they are hit by a car while cycling over they will find it very difficult to claim anything from the drivers insurance and may in fact have to pay for vehicle damage if there is any.
Duncan Its safer to stop dismount, check its clear then cross. Rather than ride up and cycle across. I said to someone else re insurance. A driver could make a claim against a cyclist, if they are riding across, if they hit them on a zebra (for damage to car)
Oh I remember the days of explaining a pelican puffin and toucan to learners lol. It is almost like trying to confuse people. But DSA love putting it in the theory test.
Thanks for the info but dont care if its a toucan crossing, a parrot, albatross or even a unicorn - if they've pressed the button and the red light is against me, i'm gonna stop anyway. Visited Tooting in London once and their local park had a crossing for horses - with a high level button so riders did not have to dismount.
And why are Puffin crossings so named? It's because unfit pedestrians run to towards them at the last minute and then have to wait at the side of the road puffin.
Ps we've got more Tiger crossings popping up around Wolverhampton.
From the driver's perspective, the "random-bird crossings" are distinctions without a difference, in all cases just obey the traffic lights.
Are you sure this was a toucan crossing? - I never saw a bird crossing the road?
😆😆 I could say something similar about Puffins and Zebras.... lol 😆😆
What about a Rover crossing for dogs? Though I'm sure you'd get one or two owners of a certain classic car marque try to drive across...😀
There is another type called a 'Pedestrian Crossing' which operates like a Puffin using pedestrian detectors but has Far-side signals (Cowls or Hoods as they're known) like a Pelican. These are quite rare at single crossings but pretty common when installed as part of a junction
Very help full keep forgetting about it 2 can remember for ever
Supersaturday so it's a two can crossing :) Your next task is to find a Pegasus Crossing :)
Loads of them in Newmarket.
The mythical Pegasus crossing. A rare sight indeed, I thought you were joking until I looked it up. I've never seen one.
I think it went like this. I've got it, 'let's call it a toucan crossing because two-can cross over!'
This is how bureaucrats justify their existence. Take the light-controlled pedestrian crossing, what we used to call the Pelican. Introduce unsafe pedestrian signals, invisible to the majority using them and a host of other variations which require drivers to know the difference between an uncontrolled, a Zebra, Pelican, Puffin, Toucan, staggered Toucan and Equestrian crossing - at the very least. They could just have said 'cyclists can use any crossing but alongside, not among the pedestrians' and painted an extra metre or so of space beyond the original. But no.
When approaching lights, I really am not looking for those tiny boxes 😆 Toucan, Pelican, NoOneCan, I don’t know what they are! Dang nabbit. All ACME crossings should be the same! Meep, meep
Is there a lead in cycle/shared path there? Without one how can a cyclist (unless dismounted) legally use the crossing?
I can now! Two can = toucan, never made that connection! Many thanks as always.
If a cyclist approaches a Toucan crossing from the road, as opposed to approaching with a view to crossing pavement to pavement, can a cyclist proceed to travel through the crossing when the toucan crossing shows green for pedestrians and cyclists? Or is it only for pedestrians and cyclists who crossing pavement to pavement, as it were?
Why does she need to put her handreak on to someone who is very far from her to cross? Please explain
What round thing on the side of the crossing? Where?
I hate to be pessimistic but it does not seem to matter what type/style of crossing it happens to be - people will abuse them one way or another. The only deterrent would be to raise the penalties (points and financial) & then just maybe things will improve. A £60 fine and 3 points, unless I am mistaken, doesn't cut the mustard.
Stay safe everyone 👍
Given most of the abuse is by effectively untraceable cyclists, to whom points may or may not be relevant in any case, the solution is better policing, not altered penalties.
With the current total lack of any enforcement or policing, you could make the penalty public hanging without any actual impact on abuse.
I would like to know what you think about the new cyclops junction in Manchester.
Why is the second box so high up? I thought that was only on pegasus crossings for horse riders.
OK i see, the high one doesn't have a button and is just an indicator for those on the other side of the road, basically the same as the red/green man on pelicans.
Edit: Wait a minute, they are both facing side-ways, not the other side of the road. I'm confused to the purpose of the second box. Is it just on the chance that someone is standing in front of the lower one?
I don't think I've ever once thought 'this particular crossing is a toucan crossing, so I will do x instead of y' while driving. Is there any particular reason it should matter?
A puffin is the first generation of light controlled crossing where the return to vehicle flow is based on a sensor tracking pedestrians on the crossing. The Pelican is timer controlled.
Cyclists seem to ignore all traffic lights so giving them a special crossing appears to be excessive
bingo
Just like motorists do.
1:25 Watchdogs reference?
I hate these names, why couldn't they just name it "Pedestrian and cyclists" or "Pedestrian". Just a bit easier.