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Hey Jeremy, I got a used E08OM-TC. Same but sitka and indian for 950. Basically an OOO-28 at 25% of a Martin. Can't be happier...
Your video quality is superb!! Crystal clear, my friend. I too am intrigued with Eastman acoustics AND their electric line.
love that you're finally coming around to eastman!
Have an E40-OM and it is amazing. It has the most reactive top of any guitar I have ever played. It just sings. I alternate between it and my Martin D-35 and both are just so good. Eastman does it right.
Interesting abd very well done, again. Many thanks Jeremy!
You are just a pleasure to listen to.
Great playing.
Thanks!!
I have a E20D-MR-TC that has become my favorite guitar. It's just starting to really open up!
This is my first high-end guitar and cannot find the words to describe how good it is.
I’m happy for you, I really need to add one of these to my living room collection.
Jerry, I absolutely agree with you on the smell!! I thought it was just me!
I’m an old guy who, in the ‘70’s played Guild and Gibson acoustics. But I’m a MARTIN fan, and own a 00 and 000. I also love Breedlove guitars, but I purchased my first Eastman about four years and think they are great for the money. My everyday, sitting on the coach guitar is an inexpensive E2OM with cedar top and sepele all solid wood body. Not the full range of sound but it stays in tune, has withstood various travel conditions, and remains a fun guitar to play. I’ve owned more expensive Eastman guitars and you are correct. They do not resell well. When I changed out of any of them, I took a hit. But I enjoyed playing them and will buy another one . USED!
Thank you. Great video
With a short scale it's basically a 00028 it sound truly amazing and it's beautiful!
Bought the E20SS recently and love it. Great guitars for the price. If you can score one used the price is even better. My bridge has a satin finish and not a gloss one, but mine is also from 2016 and a different model.
Can I suggest you try the violin finish models. They’re lovely to hear from day one and only get better.
Thanks for another great video! I totally appreciate your perspective and respect your expert opinion. My first Eastman was an AC330E-12. As far as 12 strings go, it’s an absolute steal at around $1200. I was so impressed, I bought an AC630 Jumbo to replace a very disappointing Gibson J100 I once had. The AC630-BD has an Engelmann spruce top, highly figured maple B/S, ebony fretboard and gotoh tuners. Out of the box this guitar is significantly better in every way than the Gibson it replaced save for the fact it doesn’t have electronics. I had a major bias against Chinese-made guitars when compared to the likes of Martin, Taylor, and Gibson acoustics (all of which I currently own and can compare against my Eastmans). Eastman has completely shattered my bias. I’m not sure there is another company anywhere offering Guitars at such a high level for comparatively bargain prices.
I own two that I bought from the Acoustic shoppe, love them
You can play them in stereo 😊
sounds really good, I want one.
I have the E10 (mahog) thermo om and it has taken about a year and a half to really open up. I have other guitars, and so this doesn't get played everyday. But, it is my camping guitar, and I can't tell you how much I love it. It seems to love the dry mountain air, and campfires ... I got it from the Accoustic shop for around 1500 bucks I think, and they are great ... Liz is great at set up. Highly recommend. I also got a E20 slope shoulder dread varnish finish from them, and that thing turned into the biggest monster guitar ...
I'm really late to the party for this comment but the smell thing is true hahahaha. I have an E8OM and it's incredible but the smell was very noticeable at first. However, I urge you not to worry because it's definitely something coming from the Case. I do not keep my guitar on the case and it stopped being noticebale a few weeks after being home.
Great video! Eastmans rule!!!
Smell and bridge points are cork sniffing territory, re sale value is definitely a consideration. 👍
I accidentally became an Eastman collector over the past year or two. I have two of their electrics, an acoustic, and two (will end up selling 1) mandolins. They're all killers.
Yep, I have a couple of their electrics, a SB59 and a T486. Absolutely stellar guitars. I've played a couple acoustics and they are fantastic as well.
Same here!! I’ve bought 5 this year.
Martin, Gibson and Taylor have been my choice for 20 years.
My local shop sells Eastman. I recently bought a mandolin from Eastman to learn on. Very great quality for the price.
I think they gloss stuff a bit more due to travel distance and humidity. They certainly do break in in a relatively short time. Resale? The more that people realize what they are and the quality involved in the build it will go up if the market isn’t flooded. Shows like yours are giving them great exposure. Thx!
I’m not as good as you ….love your playing…I’ve been playing since 1968…..Wild Mountain Thyme…love it…going to buy the Eastman .12…..I play a D18 1967…..love your type of music!
my E20OM-MR-TC is the best guitar i have ever owned. it's pure inspiration.
Totally agree on Eastman guitars. I discovered them two years ago and have owned 6 of them. Your E20OM sounds like my E40OM. Basically the same guitar but the E40OM has all the extra abalone bling. It was my first Eastman, a mint condition consignment that I snagged for $1,300. Speaking of shiny bridges, the inside of the E40OM has been clear coated. That may sound weird but my early 1970's Yamaha FG150 Nippon Gakki red label also has an internal clear coat.
SX510 tuners are made by Gotoh.
If you want a real eye opener, pick up an Eastman PCH3 and give it a strum. I just bought a used PCH3-GACE for $400 because I didn't want to play my Eastman double top DT30-GACE out. I've owned a bunch of laminate guitars: Yamahas, Kents, Takamine, S. Yairi, and Breedloves to name a few(actually to name a lot) and have never before heard a laminate that sounds so great. If I had been blindfolded then handed that PCH3 without knowing what it was, I would swear it was all solid wood.
I was recently on the guitar hunt and bought the Eastman e20 OM TC. I was initially very impressed, but after a few days i realised that the lows had too much presence, also I didn't find enough clarity or balance in the sound of the guitar, the lows sounded a bit jumbledto my ear. To compensate the presence of the lows i had to pluck the mids and high strings a little harder, i notice after a while that my fingers were a little sore. Also i discovered what run-out was, the top had very noticeable run-out, initially it didn't bother me, but the lack of balance in the sound and run-out i decided to return it. I'm very happy that i did as I opted for the Furch Vintage 3 OM SR which in my opinion is better suited for what i was looking for, extremely balanced and amazing clarity in the notes, also nice and warm, ah and beautiful woods. So far very happy that i went for the Furch in the end. Probably the eastman is an amazing guitar, but it didn't suit me.
Yea but you had to spend $3k? Not sure thats a great comparison.
I have one and I love it, and paid a lot less than 2200 for it - and no it wasn't hot. The back almost has a purple-plummy brown color to me, and I love THAT too.
Bought an Eastman E20 OO less than a year ago and had problems with the strings binding in the nut. Grooves were narrow and slanted to the right. I fixed that. Some of the tuners were working way to hard. I fixed that. The case smells like toxic glue, no toxic dump. No fix. Other than that it’s a nice guitar.
Jeremy,
In regards to Eastman V Martin. Do Martin 000 and OM have different bracing styles or are they the same? I understand the scale is different. So in regards to Eastman, I understand they don’t make a 000 but with the shorter scale, would you say it is a direct comparison to a 000 Martin? Or more to an OM?
I remember looking to go out and buy a high end accostic 25 years ago. You really had to dig to find something incredible that didnt break the bank. We are lucky nowadays. You can get an absolute killer guitar for $1000 to $1500
Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the Info. I'm in the market for a hopefully lifetime guitar and I'm after a 00 or 000 style. I know I want rosewood back and sides and a smallish body and nitro. At the moment I'm looking at a 00-28 or L-00 studio rosewood. What would you look at? Also I have slight concerns that martins preshaped triangular x-brace is not as structurally strong as a rectangular x-joint is that something worth even thinking about? Do eastman have triangular x-braces?
Hello Dean here, great video. I agree with your comments the guitar sounds OK. Great wood combination. Martin have ran out of Madagascar Rosewood so it's become very desirable. I have a Martin 00028 custom shop Madagascar and adaronkack top. £6000. It's Beautiful.
Now the eastman....
Why do they use a gloss spray on the bridge and on some of their other models they spray the fretboard with gloss laqure. Horrible...
When the camera shows the frets and the back of the headstock. It looked ruff fret ends. The top finish on that beautiful adaronkack top looked about an inch thick. Too heavy finish. The back had funny white lines in the finish. Needed more filler paste to cover the wood grain I still think it's got to be worth around £2200. It looks fine from about 6ft away. Eastman could improve a little. Dean 🇬🇧 🙏
I have 5 Martin's and 4 Eastman's... I love each of them.
I'll bet you do. How many girl friends do you have ?
This is the stupidest comment I have ever heard posted here.@@maplebones
@jeremysheppard how does it compare to the Eastman made Bourgeois OM? Neck thickness, tone, overall sound? Between the two which would you pick?
Thank you
I have been watching your reviews for a while, and would be broke if I didn't have more restraint-- nice version of Wild Mt. Thyme, BTW-- but your go to chords make use of open strings that already have a sparkle, an open tuning sound created by the same notes that ring out on different strings. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of them. But I wonder if they fairly represent the ring and sustain of the guitar as compared to playing straight up chords, strummed or fingerpicked.
I had a very similar experience. Went to a guitar shop looking for a small body instrument, single-O or something like that. They showed me a little Martin, a little Larivee, and then they pulled out the Eastman. The one I looked at wasn't this fancy. While I liked the guitar a lot I was really hoping to get the Taylor 612ce 12-fret. Still haven't gotten that Taylor. Decided not to waste the time of the people at the guitar shop and just try to get the Taylor. Like the herringbone on this one. Always a nice touch.
Taylor resales are zilch! 😮
Still don't have that Taylor. Jeremy got me interested in a Boucher instead. Great red spruce, great Canadian maple. Still haven't gotten that either. It's hard to get where I live. I may be able to order the one I want through an outfit in North Carolina. Bah! Foiled again.
Daniel G & G music in Canada can sell you the Boucher you want and dhip it to you. They ship world wide.
Thanks, turns out it's too expensive. I could afford that Taylor but not the Boucher.
I'm 75 and when I was just a kid trying to learn to play guitar I lived in a world where Martin and to a slightly lesser extent Gibsons were in another galaxy. Recently a guitar salesman picked up a high end Taylor and played it and then a Martin 28-hd and I was shocked. The Taylor sounded better. There was a consignment Eastman 12 string on the wall. The first Eastman I had finally been able to play. Not only did it look and sound great but the action was so good I could actually play it. Eastman is a serious music making machine. And yet for general playing around the house I pick up one of my two GS-Minis because they sound good and I can reach around them without my shoulder protesting. While the price keeps increasing we have never lived in a world where there were so many excellent choices in size, shape and sound.
LOL, no.
Rings like a bell!
Hi jeremy! How would this compare to the bourgeois touchstone series in your opinion?
Yo J, do you know if they put the finish on the bridge and fretboard on their E10SS?
Eastman does make nice guitars, especially for the money. Recording King is another awesome guitar too, their all solid wood guitars. The jury is out as far as torrified wood go, for me. I want to see how these torrified woods hold up over the long run.
I've fallen in love with an Eastman AC422. It blows anything similar Taylor makes out of the water for twice the price. Such is cheap but trained and good Chinese labor. You have to go to something like a Taylor 814 to find similar quality and sound from a GA type guitar.
The bridge looks great to me, I have 2 eastman acoustic and they are fabulous. I have owned several Martin's and by far prefer eastman. Resale well I play mine so not looking to sell
the smell emanates from the case. i agree-i could not handle it, but, after a couple weeks on a stand/wall hanging in a humidified room, and it goes away .. .
I bought an Eastman like he's talking about. I sent it back. It was not balanced right? Seemed on the heavy side, somebody had lowered the action on it. That was not what I was expecting. But now I've got one of the bourgeois TS with the aged Alaskan sitka anf Rosewood Back and sides. As soon as I heal from having new shoulders I will go over this guitar. Change the strings first and go from there. Bourgeois and Eastman are on to something!! I like how they think.
Informative video Jeremy. I’m a fan of Eastman although I don’t know if I will ever own one because I have my Martin D35 in Taylor 814 CE but I’m very interested in seeing how this guitar manufacturer has progressed. I follow The Acoustic Shoppe so I’m very familiar with Eastman. By the way, where did you get the Borguois hat? Thank you for all your videos.
I just saw on the bourgeois website where you can buy different merchandise, like that hat. It's awesome!
SX510 tuners are Gotohs, from Japan. The lower end Eastman guitars have Pingwell tuners.
As for 000 vs OM, most of the third-party OM guitars are in fact longer scale than Martin's; 25.5in in the case of Collings and Larrivee and 650mm in the case of Furch. Maybe some American boutique OMs are the same scale length as Martin's, but 25.4in generally means Martin. Maybe you could tell just by playing it but if you ordered it online and you wanted what you understand to be an OM, you might have a shock when you get it open and played it for the first time, especially if you were into open tunings.
I've looked at prices of Eastmans in shops here in the UK and the one in this video is on a par with, say, Japanese or eastern European acoustics in price (they have lower models for much less). Not a quarter of the cost of a Martin; in fact, more like half, which isn't surprising given that it's made with American woods and in a small factory, not an outsourced sweatshop or a CNC factory as with most guitars made in China.
I love my Eastman E40-OO Guitar and my Eastman MD515V mandolin, they make mighty fine instruments.
Edit:
1) I don't buy things I want to sell, I buy things I want to own.
2) Eastman are a fraction of the cost of an USA made guitar, they will never be a USA made guitar and their value will most likely never be that of a USA made guitar.
3) For the rest of use who don't have the budget for Martin's and Gibson's (of similar quality) Eastman is fantastic.
how does this compare to touchstone series?
I'm not sure that Eastman guitars are as good as the nicer boutique guitars. However, for production class guitars I believe that these guitars are hard to beat. I purchased a store model E20D several years ago before they gained their momentum for $850. Best deal I've ever got on a guitar.
Got an Alvarez Yairi and an Eastman A Mando. Both are wonderful instruments.
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Does it have a liqueur or poly finish?
You should try their new offset guitar. I forget the name looks like a offset Les Paul. Definitely try more Eastman stuff.
Is the low E as loud as the A string?
And, my opinion, great necks!
I played an Eastman that i really liked but it wasn't mine. I was just using it to record a certain song.
Most acoustics i just strum a G chord and if it sounds like the first chord in an old Western movie, ill buy it.
That's exactly the voice im looking for.
Sort of early 70's Guild usually does the trick.
Was that Dashboard Confessional's "Remember to Breathe" that was being played at the 4:43 mark?
Good ear! It is!
@@JeremySheppard Amazing! I never would have thought a somewhat obscure song from a Dashboard EP from the early aughts would be making the rounds on legit guitar channels these days. So cool.
Nitro finish on these?
Been looking at this model, gonna have to.
We still have this one for sale! Link in the description
12-fret version please
Question for you Jeremy who makes that stand that you have the guitar laying across around 3:30. I would much appreciate the info. Thank you for what you do. I have learned a lot from your videos.
I'm not sure. It's quite old. I believe its a Rock It by Gator
thank you
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Just how bad is the smell? Would it get better over time? The shiny bridge is an easy fix when the strings are changed with some blue tape and fine steel wool.
I had an Eastman and I didn't like the shiny bridge but I had thought a lot about it recently and I thought...well normally we oil the bridge and then over time the bridge absorbs the oil and we have to add more oil. But if you think about it, when we oil the bridge, that oil albeit a small amount of oil, it probably absorbs the vibrations and dead ends the sound slightly. Whereas if it has a finish on it then you don't have to oil the bridge. And the bridge will remain dry and instill a crisp, clean sound into the soundboard. I think the same logic applies to the fretboard as well. By NOT oiling the fretboard, the strings should stay clean longer. I told myself after selling my Eastman that I used to own that I would never buy another Chinese guitar again. But now I'm considering buying this same guitar, the Eastman E-20 MR TC because I like the idea of owning a guitar with Madagascar Rosewood back and sides.
Hey Jeremy
I have not been getting your notifications and I have you on all. How would you compare Martin vs. Eastman as far as sound quality overall? I have played most brands but never an Eastman. I think Martin is the best sounding guitar I have played like the 000-18 and HD-28 custom. Do the Eastman guitars sound as good as a Martin pound for pound?
Only you can tell by playing them. If you can't tell, then what difference does it make ? You should not invest too much in any guitar until you know what you're looking for.
I got a Dread TC MR and it's on its way back. Wonderful in appearance but the mid range is so overwhelming it just bulldozed the sound. I am an Eastman fan and have an E20 OM which runs a treat on EJ17's. Possibly just the example I had or perhaps the Mady Rosewood effect but on this occasion not for me.
I bought a Martin D-28 today - new. Not Madagascar but beautiful East Indian rosewood. The price was only $500 more than this Eastman. I think that’s a great value and the Martin will hold its value better. The Eastman is a beauty though!
What an exciting day! I'd buy a Martin over this. I've got a Martin coming soon too.
What is the break even if one starts in the middle at age 65?
That guitar sounds great! The tuners are made by Gotoh.
I think they're pingwell open backs, v similar
@@gregmonk9037 they’re not.
The lower cost models have Ping tuners.
These are Gotohs.
What tuning you played
I thought narrow spruce grain was what you wanted. Some of my old cheaper guitars have very wide grain, but don't sound near as good as the narrow.... I am very impressed with the Eastman OMs, though... Awesome guitars.
Almost all of the old growth Red Spruce, or Adirondack as it's known in the guitar world, is long gone. What they're using today grew up quickly in the open, and its not nearly as stiff as the old growth, but it's legend lives on. There's still Sitka Spruce around with growth rings of 30 to 50/ per inch which means a tree suitable for a guitar would be at least 300 years old. I prefer Sitka because I believe it's sound is mellower. I also like the ancient, fine grained redwood and cedar tops which are mellow as well.
A word on the lack of bass on this guitar-- perhaps some of that is simply due to the fact that we're not talking about a dreadnought/ jumbo, but a smaller body size? I only play dreads and jumbos because I like as much bass and power as I can get out of a guitar.
Do I hear a slight buzz?
Why are some headstocks on the eastman e20om-tc gloss finished and some satin?
Good question. I'll look at all of the Eastmans at hometown today and get back to you. I know the E series have satin and the AC have gloss usually
What would your thoughts be on this guitar with a lot of bear claw? Better, worse, no issue? Thanks!
Tone doesn't mean tone but bearclaw is beautiful.
They are worth EVERY PENNY..and some! I want an acoustic! I had their 335 style but lm not a hollow body kinda guy, l do have the Solid Body 59 varnish and it is far superior to my LP Standard for many reasons, they are finally getting recognition and the increasing prices reflect that. I bought the SB for $1699.. new.. now? 😆 They are 100% custom shop level for a production price.. l have not played or seen an acoustic in person yet..likely a good thing l don't.. lm still paying off my HD28.. UGGGH.
I own a Martin D35 and was looking for a small body guitar Tried a bunch and really liked the sound of the Eastman, but something felt wrong. I played a couple more and it still seemed off. I picked up a Martin OM and it felt right. I think that my Left hand was telling me that I am a Martin man. The Eastman looks and sounds great, it just didn't fell right. My 2 cents.
Your 2 cents converts into a 3 grand difference.
@@danherrick5785 E20-OM-MR-TC MSRP $2769. I purchase a used Martin O-15 12 fret Custom Shop for $2500. I know, not apples to apples but a Martin Custom Shop Guitar is pretty phenominal and that model was a good differentiator to my D35.
This guitar and a Martin GPC-16-Special Rosewood guitar sell for about the same price new.
Which one would you think will hold a better resale value?
Eastman
Does it matter? Surely the point is to buy a guitar to keep.
@@phoenixsound Not necessarily. Some people get bored, or their tastes change and they trade frequently.
Minor complaints for the cost to quality. I have an Eastman E3D that punches way above it’s weight class.
“This is my baggage I’m working through it”😂😂😂 famous last words.
I'm sorry I'd save up for the martin, maybe this is a smaller body thing for me anyway bc I'm very stuck on dreadnaughts...
They make this in a dread and it's powerful, especially for $2200
The Eastman electrics are legit too. Almost as good a custom shop for less than production price tags of the well-known American high priced company.
If the 20 in 'E20' means adirondack spruce top and madagascan rosewood back and sides, does anyone know what the 10 in 'E10' means?
E10 would be Adirondack and mahogany back and sides.
I paid $1950 for this guitar in used but mint condition a '22 model. Great, could not be happier and Lord knows how much cheaper than a Martin.
1. Those are Gotoh SX510 tuners, very great imo. 2. Eastman acquired Bourgeois. 3. Martin doesn't use Madi Rosewood even on the Authentics anymore. Your looking at spending 3-5 times thr price for something similar speced. 4. The smell is from the case. I have an E20SS and it has the same smell that I can't stand. The latch on my case also broke. I am not a fan of those cases. They look nice though.
I would have liked a little more comment on the tone. How is Madi different from EIR? It sounds a little bright to me, but otherwise pretty good.
I replaced the case on day ONE.
Hey, Jeremy, a question for you. How do you think it compares in quality to a Furch OM? Say, from their vintage line.
I own a Vintage 2 OM...it is better. It has more bass and plays more like a modern guitar.
I thought that would be the case. I have a Furch Yellow GC SR which is fantastic and an Eastman E6 OM, which is very good, but more of a mid tier guitar. @@JeremySheppard
My Recording King RO 328 000, aged Adirocnadck top , Indian Rosewood back and sides, all solid, smelled like varnish or something on arrival. It too was made in China , and like that Eastman is a Martin orchestra model copy. The odor lessened over time and is gone now. The fit and finish was of a very high standard and my only faults are the plastic bridge pins, and cheap plastic pickguard. Plays great, sounds great, looks great.
Replaced plastic pins with Stew Mac ebony pins, cheap easy fix. Id say this stacks up well against the Eastman.
@jeramy Shappard the riff the wheels fall of play the (C#m) shape which is E6 x.4,6,6,0,0,.. then the second fingering with that a in the base
A7+/9, x,0.6.6.0.0,.. then this fingering E6 x,7,6,6,0,0,.. then to finish it off play a Emaj7 x.6,6,4,4,0 or go up to Db11#9 fingering x, 9, 11, 11, 0, 0,
very nice the high strings are a tad lean...but very nice
The tuners are gotoh sxbn 510s
Put an Eb before or after the A
I love my E6SS-TC, it's quite remarkable, there's a reason Bourgeois have partnered with them, I think they have PING tuners.....they work great, I believe the Ebony bridge is polished, at least that's how mine looks, the Ebony on my fretboard is outstanding, they also use Jescar highly polished frets which feel awesome, I'm sold on them, I bought mine in preference to stuff that was double the price simply because it plays and sounds fantastic, keep up the good work Jeremy, we appreciate it 😊
Eastman bought Bourgeois, not partnered.....
@@panayotiscanellopoulos8696 yes actually I stand corrected although they build the Bourgeois Touchstone series in a partnership arrangement where they both have a hand in construction.
Just to add that Bourgeois send their acoustic guitar tops over to Eastman, whereby Eastman then place those tops onto the rest of the body (back and sides handcrafted by Eastman), then send them back to Bourgeois. So glad that Bourgeois is now owned by Eastman. Great quality guitars all round.
Sat here holed up poorly in bed from a suspected thyroid problem and seeing this makes me want to get my 12 fret Brook Taw back.
i liked that iron and wine
So, would you recommend this over a furch?
No. Furch every day.
The selection of guitars might be greater, but the prices were way better 20 years ago. I'd trade for fewer manufacturers for better prices any day!
Jeremy Sheppard, have you tried Dowina yet?
The way you one-handed that guitar case out of the box in one motion is a trait mostly found in guitar store employees. The rest of us would have done it less ease.
I've done thousands of those and have worked out a strategy. Mostly grabbing the box between your feet.
Need to rethink about the E20OM
What do you think about the stock strings?
They are the D'Addario XS's which, to me, are too bright and lack bass.
Thanks@@JeremySheppard
I’d have to try one. Martin is getting out of hand these days
The smell: I think it's the case. Shine on the bridge: ask John at the Acoustic Shoppe as I think it's varnished.
China does not have environmental laws. They can use the worst kinds of glues and can use a gallon worth when only a dab will do. I think they pour the glue into the case instead of brushing it on ...