Burying Adventism: Soul Sleep & The State of the Dead Refuted | Part 1
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- Sam Shamoun (@shamounian) was originally slated to be here for a debate with an Adventist that requested to come and discuss Jesus as Michael the Archangel. This gentleman backed out at the behest of Edwin Cotto from the "official" Advent Defense League (@AdventDefenseLeague) claiming we have an agenda and "like to get Christians who aren't very knowledgeable" to engage with, victimize them, and make Adventism look bad-despite these individuals seeking us out.
So instead-since they fancy themselves as high hanging fruit-we will respond to their "arguments" in response to claims Sam made regarding what the Bible teaches about the nature of death and the state of the dead that they allegedly "easily refuted." Let's find out...
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - ADL: Was Jesus Running the Universe on Earth?
01:03 - Introduction & Thesis
03:54 - Why This Stream is Happening
11:27 - ADL's Community Post
12:00 - ADL’s Response to the Description of This Video
13:40 - Edwin Cotto Encouraged the Young Man to Back Out
16:30 - The Very First Message from Czar
21:50 - The Description of This Video is a Lie?
30:10 - Ellen White's Great Controversy
33:47 - Sam Shamoun Clip vs. ADL
42:40 - Jesus will raise His body back to life
44:50 - Destroy this temple and I will raise it up (John 2)
47:34 - You can kill the body but not the soul
50:41 - The souls under the altar (Revelation 6:9)
53:59 - The Soul and the Spirit
57:12 - The Body and the Spirit
1:00:40 - The Spirit Leaving the Body
1:01:32 - Spirits are alive in heaven
1:05:47 - Jairus's Daughter Resurrection
1:07:48 - Paul's Vision of Heaven
1:11:00 - Refuting the "Vision" Argument
1:14:50 - What is a Vision
1:16:35 - What is a Vision (Continued)
1:25:00 - Jesus Died for Our Sins
1:25:57 - Jesus' Soul Went to Hell
1:31:24 - Acts 2:27 Explained
1:32:44 - Matthew 20 Analysis
1:35:10 - Luke 8:26-31 Discussion
1:37:18 - Revelation 9 Interpretation
1:41:23 - Jesus Coming Up from the Abyss
1:46:04 - Did Jesus Set Aside His Divinity?
1:48:26 - What is Hades?
1:51:24 - Sam’s Response
1:55:59 - Ephesians 2 Breakdown
1:59:55 - Colossians 2 Breakdown
2:00:43 - Abraham and the Afterlife
2:06:40 - Abraham and the Afterlife in Luke 16
2:10:41 - 1 Samuel 28 Analysis
2:17:30 - Sirach 46 Discussion
2:21:15 - 2 Maccabees 15 Analysis
2:27:32 - John 10 Explained
2:29:20 - Acts 23 Discussion
2:32:45 - What Happens to the Dead
2:37:40 - Isaiah 14 Explained
2:39:29 - Ecclesiastes 9 Analysis
2:42:48 - Money Answers Everything?
2:45:18 - What Happens When We Die?
2:50:05 - Pursuing Wisdom of God is a Waste of Time?
2:51:22 - Solomon’s View of the Afterlife
2:53:39 - Ecclesiastes 9 in Context
3:00:09 - Refuting the False Teachers from the Debate
3:04:49 - Jesus According to the SDA
3:10:29 - Philippians 2 Proves Jesus Truly Died
3:10:46 - Sam’s Rebuttal
3:14:59 - Jesus was Raised by the Father
3:20:52 - Who Ran the Universe When Jesus was a Fetus?
3:22:18 - Jesus Sustains Creation
3:28:19 - Jesus is All-Knowing
3:32:39 - Jesus is Omnipresent
3:42:51 - Closing Remarks
#afterlife #sda #adventism #answeringadventism
One more comment. Sam did the best jobs of discrediting soul sleep. Absolutely excellent.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 he’s not called the Assyrian Encyclopedia for no reason. A brilliant mind.
Thank you Sam for all the good information.. Especially mentioning Hannukah which is actually the fulfillment of Dan 8:14 - - SDA investigative judgment doctrine is false
His royal highness Edwin Cotto the magnificent has summoned us and we must appear at once!😂😂
@@ReverendThunder 😆😂😅
Like, Buddy, who are you? Kick rocks
31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
Acts 2
I read right over this so many times before I left the church.
The ADL are defenders of EGW and her visions when will they grow a spine and defend Jesus and His Gospel
@@umabrijmohun6720 they do. You must not watch them very much
The proof is in comments of any former Adventist or Christian channel many SDA are not educated in Biblical theology therefore they can't defend their theology using the Bible
@@grantjmiller15you cannot defend Ellen White and the True Gospel because they are diametrically opposed. One began in 1844 the other in AD 33 🇻🇦✝️
They defend the whole bible
@@STRIKE_3 they attack the bible
“These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.” Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.”
John 11:11, 14
Advent Defense League for the win…again! 🙏😀
So many SDAs have Dunning-Kruger Effect.
Just had to go look up what that means. You are spot on!
As people we believe what we want to believe, you can pretty much make anything make sense to yourself, it doesn't mean what you believe is true. SDA may be wrong but it doesn't make you right.
They sure are obsessed with the concordance arent they? Like a tourist going to Mexico with a spanish dictionary and arguing with the people about the language!
Maybe it’s because the Bible wasn’t originally written in English… just a thought
@@grantjmiller15 you totally missed the point... think deeper
@@shannonr4025 alright I’ll break out the concordance 😂😂😂
@@grantjmiller15 great idea.. I bet you'll be speaking Greek by tomorrow. Who needs the translations/teachings of those who actually know the language or lived it in ancient times?
@@shannonr4025 look it was supposed to be sarcastic. But the point is. I don’t see why you seem to mock them for using the concordance to try and see what the full context is. Isn’t this channel trying to proclaim that “context is king” or did he change that?
I really enjoy when Sam is on! He takes down SDA just as easily as he brings bringing down Islam! I haven’t finished this episode yet but glad to see that there is a part two!
He hasn't taken SDA at all. We easily refuted him. And if he was on the live with ADL they would've schooled him too.
@@BallersLife3 I acknowledge your denial and hope you find your out of the “little light” and into the one true light of the world.
@@Jessaba I dare you to watch adl on this point .. just do it this once
@@edafematthew8406 that’s cute
@@Jessaba yh
In the Bible there are hundreds of references that show that the soul is mortal. Jesus, the Creator, who said that "you shall surely die", does not contradict what He said, but uses a parable to illustrate the absurdity of the practices adopted from the heathen pagan peoples. Proving that death will not change anything that was decided during life. Jesus causes dilemmas to test loyalty in the unchangeable Word! (Genesis 22, 1-3) (John 6,54,66-68)
The first time I came across these ADF (Adventist Defense League) I gaped at how they literally read scriptures in their own words and how they will interpret it is literally disgusting and wrong. I mean they will read scriptures without interpreting only to read another scriptures to interpret the first one.
It is just that sickening. I got fed up and gave them a piece of my mind and they blocked me. I mean it was just sickening.
Bro, that is the way the Bible actually has to be read and interpret. Bible interpret it self. By your saying If you read a verse and dont understand it, you should search to give that verse an interpretation given by yourself instead of looking in the Bible for another verse that responds to the verse that you didn t understand! Pfff 🤦🙈
@@robertfloreaKineticHRIsaiah 28
For thé word was unto THEM LINE UPON LINE PRECEPTS UPON PRECEPTS THAT THEY MAY FALL ( WHERE?) BACKWARDS 😮
@@robertfloreaKineticHR Those line upon line/precept upon precept verses (Isaiah 28) were actually God rebuking false priests/prophets:
"For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean."
~ v. 8
@@robertfloreaKineticHR Amen
@@robertfloreaKineticHR
Interpretation given by yourself?
How old are you?
yall play with words, choosing and peaking the definition which suits you the most. the two party say the same thing with different definition, you loose your time as the Pharisees. Jesus died for us, he gave his Life for us, so that who ever beliefs... . So why are you trying to be in the secrets of GOD himself? trying to understand the meaning of death. Just give up the whole intellectual contest and concentrate yourselves in saving souls by giving the gospel which actually saves. how about that?
Why r u here then?
Thank you! @@charnelallan7159
I'm learning so much, yall are blessings to all Christians & Cultists.
So much meat!!! Thank you this answered a lot of questions I still had. The Bible is clear.
Another fantastic discussion! Myles and Sam make a great team and Sam's knowledge and his explanations are so indepth & thorough - as are Myles'. But the two of you together are truly a dynamic-duo!! Like someone else commented, this discussion just nailed down for me even more that we have a spirit that lives on after death and what all that means.
Thank you both gentlemen!!!
❤️🙏🙏🕊️
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going. (Ecclesiastes 9,10)
Mathew 10, 28
DO NOT FEAR THOSE THAT CAN KILL THE BUT BUT NOT THE SOUL😮
"in hell, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Father Abraham afar off, and Lazarus, in his bosom." Luke 16, 23-26
I am sad I missed this live show! I'm only 48 seconds in and I'm already baffled. "Jesus was not running the universe at some point" - ADL
Whaaaaaaa.
I'm going to need some more coffee for this one.
@@Liz.StudentoftheKing buckle up sister.
This video was so needed. 🙌🏼It put to bed the Adventist “state of the dead” for me. I was already 95% convinced. This video got me the rest of the way there. The only passage I don’t know how to refute entirely yet is Psalm 115:17. I think I have a way to explain it but I’m not 100% on it. Hopefully you guys will cover it on the next stream. Thanks Myles and Sam. You guys are awesome. What a dynamic duo! Praise The Lord!✝️✝️✝️
The answer is in the next verse. Note:
It is not the dead that praise Yah,
And it is none of those who go down to silence;
18 But as for us, we will bless Yah
From now UNTIL FOREVER.
Praise Yah!
In the context death and go down in silence are talking about those who have been vanquished, humiliated, destroyed, i.e. rebel sinners whom God has judged and humbled. This is unlike the righteous who will glorify God forever and ever.
And to reinforce my point that the dead who go down in silence are the wicked, pay attention to the opening verses:
Not to us, O Yahweh, not to us,
But to Your name give glory
Because of Your lovingkindness, because of Your truth.
2 Why should the nations say,
“Where, now, is their God?”
3 But our God is in the heavens;
He does whatever He pleases.
4 Their idols are silver and gold,
The work of man’s hands.
5 They have mouths, but they do not speak;
They have eyes, but they do not see;
6 They have ears, but they do not hear;
They have noses, but they do not smell;
7 As for their hands, they do not feel;
As for their feet, they do not walk;
They do not make a sound with their throat.
8 Those who make them will become like them,
Everyone who trusts in them.
Notice that the Psalmist is contrasting those who worship dead idols with those who worship Yahweh. I hope this helps.
@@shamounian Amen! Yes that helps immensely. I was kind of seeing that already but the way you explained it really brought it home. Thanks Sam. A little testimonial for you if you’re interested. You and Myles have both been HUGE influences on me in the last couple years as my wife and I have been coming out of this wicked deception . My wife and I are both 3rd generation SDA and have both renounced it as a lie from the pit of hell thanks to CZcams ministries such as yourselves, a lot of prayer, and time in the word. You even have us considering becoming Catholic or Orthodox. Something I never in a million years thought I would say since I grew up believing that is the beast system. 😂
God bless you Sam and may he unite you with your daughters soon. 🙏🏼✝️✝️✝️
You said it, so emotional and dreamy, helping also to find sleep when you need to find it.
As per Luther and various other reformers: “It is probable, in my opinion, that, with very few exceptions indeed, the dead sleep in utter insensibility till the day of judgment . . . On what authority can it be said that the souls of the dead may not sleep . . . in the same way that the living pass in profound slumber the interval between their downlying at night and their uprising in the morning?” (Letter to Nicholas Amsdorf,
Luther later pointed out: “Solomon judges that the dead are asleep, and feel nothing at all. For the dead lie there accounting neither days nor years, but when are awaked, they shall seem to have slept scarce one minute” (An Exposition of Solomon’s Book
@@yuoiyuoi899 and Luther changed his view on this later in life. That proves nothing. He was wrong.
Adventists need to stop doing this. Luther wavered on the subject of the state of the soul after death. Ultimately, he was not dogmatic on the subject. You can find just as many quotes from Luther that support he did believe the soul went somewhere at death.
The best way to say it is that Luther considered the subject speculative theology.
@@answeringadventism Show us the proof that he recanted this view, you say he did isn't good enough, give us the source, page, and paragraph.
@@stever574 Luther was also human and prone to make mistakes just like any of us, but his teachings that line up with scripture are profitable.
@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl I know. I am a Lutheran. That is why it annoys me when SDAs use him to try to legitimatize their heresies. Have no doubt, Luther would have destroyed Ellen White and labled her a little antichrist.
You covered all but 1 Peter 3:19-20 KJV
that disproves soul sleep. When Jesus preached to the Spirits in Prison AFTER he was crucified.
Regarding the discusion near the end and the hypostatic union. Sam mentions that it is reciprocal between God the Father & God The Son. Can anyone please elaborate for me, so that Myself & others fully understand, how is it then, that upon Our Lord Christ's return, it is both written & said multiple times in the scriptures That no man, nor the angeles' nor "The Son" Knoweth the Hour Except HE Gođ the Father ? Does it siimply have to do with Authority In resect to the Father's headship ? Thank You Brethren in advace... 💞✝️🫂
Regarding 38:40 and onward - How is looking at several texts on a topic in many places (topical study) “hopscotch exegesis” ONLY when Adventists do it? What was Sam doing when he went from Revelation’s souls under the altar to Abel’s blood crying in Genesis to Jairus’ daughter in Luke to the third heaven in Corinthians to Matthew 17 to 2 Peter among various other assorted texts? How is this not a double-standard?
The problem is that we adventist get alot from ellen white writings he's using the bible and only the bible u can't cherry pick topics when secretly u are trying to prove ellen white is correct either go's is correct or she is god does not contradict .
@@archierodriguez2517 My comment is dealing directly and specifically with Myles' habit of condemning Adventists for something that he and his guests, like Sam, do themselves. In this case and others, he and his guests have employed the topical Bible study approach (looking at several texts related to a certain topic) yet accuse Adventists of "hopscotching" when they do the same. Yes, those who use this method can sometimes negate immediate context but that doesn't have to be the case. Besides, principles transcend context because though context may change, principles never do. 1 John 4:8 says God is love. There was an immediate context, of course, but is there a context that would change the principle that God is love? Of course not.
Context, genre, pericope, historical/cultural considerations may all have their place in leading the student to richer insights but none of these transcend principle. SDA's may seem to have a habit of "jumping from one text to another" without considering context, but what is actually taking place is the use of topical study to find or establish biblical principles. When a text is on the level of principle, it stands on its own and it will never change.
Modern scholarship and many who uncritically bind themselves to it can sometimes criticize this method without realizing that it was employed several times in the Bible by the prophets and by Jesus Himself. (Luke 24:25-27, 44 - Jesus cited several texts across different genres on one specific topic - Himself. And in Mat 4:6-7 Jesus left the pericope of Psa 91, went to a different genre, the Law, and addressed the principle of not tempting God, only part of the text in Deu 6:16, lifting that principle from its immediate context, "as you did in Massah".) Jesus left that part out, as it didn't directly relate to the discussion at hand, but He applied the part of the text that did relate - the principle that we should not EVER tempt the LORD. He prefaced His citation with the words, "it is ALSO written", highlighting the fact that if one's interpretation of a text of Scripture contradicts a principle established in another text of Scripture, it is the wrong interpretation (Scripture interprets itself). If Jesus handled His own word that way, why shouldn't we?
And as it relates to Ellen White, why does a channel that claims "context is king" repeatedly quote her out of context? The claim is made by Myles that Ellen White rejects the divine nature of Christ - that He is God. Myles then "proofspecks" a devotional to prove it. Proofspecking, as I understand it, is using bits and pieces of out of context statements to make flimsy or even deceitful arguments (something else, or should I say, Elce, claimed of SDA's). But if @answeringadventism so prizes the use of "primary source documentation" why would it repeatedly cite a statement from a devotional that was compiled by others decades after her death and bereft of literary/historical context (Lift Him Up, 1988), instead of the actual primary source material from which it was lifted (18LtMs, MS 140 par 28, 1903)? There are 27 paragraphs before the statement in question (par 28) that make it obvious that what she said was in line with Scripture and worthy of no controversy at all.
I am not endorsing using the Bible or the writings of EGW this way, even by Adventists - to your point. Scripture is being used by Sam in the video, but it is being horribly misapplied. I don't think an Adventist would ever be able to prove points using the Bible only with Myles, Elce, Sam, and others, simply because these guys would never allow them to. They will continually misdirect and redirect everything back to something she said, rather than deal with Scripture alone. It will never happen in real time, so the reaction approach seems to be the only way to go.
This was interesting. There are some things I have to go take another look at.
@AnsweringAdventism I have often thought that the Adventist’s view on our LORD and Saviour, THE GOD/man, Jesus Christ is the Archangel Michael, very similar to the Jehovah Witness’ view. Is there any correlation between their respective views? Or am I completely incorrect? I just don’t want to cast unfounded aspersions and misrepresent their views.
Again: come, let us reason together, saith the Lord. Isa 1:18. Many people think God is a "force." God is a Person: He's personal. He has a will, a soul, emotion, and so, reason. If we pursue the Word of God with reason, chances are...hear me out, now... that we will find a rhythm to the rhyme. It's not all allegory and hyperbole.
At 1:57:11 "Death does not mean the cessation of life." Should we burn all dictionaries now? That is precisely what death is. This is the problem with this confused theology ( not anyone personally, but this false theology) - It presents a Jesus that did not come in the flesh, it puts no significant difference between life and death; hence it presents a Jesus that did not really die.
As for the question of running the universe: The reason the world and universe are kept in check and people can experience healing when Jesus is not physically there is the power of His Word (Psa 33:6, 9, Heb 1:1-3, 2 Pet 3:5-7, Mat 8:8) and the fact that God had a plan and provision for all these things to take place before the world was (Acts 17:26, Rev 13:8) or accounted for them beforehand (Psa 2/Acts 13:26-33). The Word/Scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35). Our salvation and constant preservation of this world are not afterthoughts nor are they dependent on Jesus running the universe as a baby or while He was dead in the grave. Unless Immanuel (God with us) was not a real baby or a real human ( Those who do not confess such are deceivers and antichrists according to 2 John 1:7). Anyway, no need for any of us to solve a problem that doesn't exist (who ran the universe...?) Our sovereign Lord does not have to micromanage what He through His Word has already determined (preservation of the Creation).
I hope all would take time to review the arguments and texts for themselves, of course critically, but fairly even though you may not think highly of ADL. I was really hoping Myles or Sam would deal with Jesus telling Mary on Sunday (3rd day since His death) that He had not yet ascended to the Father in Heaven or Acts 2 where Peter says David was not in Heaven 50 days after the Resurrection of Christ. I will continue to the end to see if those were addressed.
@@carltonmouzon9547 In the context of the verse it does not mean the cessation of the physical life, as Paul had not been dead at that point. Sam could have been more precise in his speech but he has been speaking for 2 hours at that point and in the context of the verse and chapter they are discussing it's rather clear what he means unless you want to make this uncharitable interpretation.
@@lepathewarrior4445 he doesn’t sound too charitable when he speaks to others. Plus, he had been saying that several times in different ways, that was just his clearest statement on it. He’s been doubling down on that and he knew exactly what he was saying and didn’t turn back. He was making an attempt to connect the ideas of spiritual (figurative) and "physical" (literal) death, and unfortunately used the figurative to explain or define the literal, which is problematic because the literal understanding is the basis for any spiritual application, not the other way around. At any rate, this is exactly what he said at 1:57:11 : "Death, whether spiritual OR PHYSICAL, does not mean cessation of life". I can think of no clearer understanding of death other than it being the end (cessation) of life. The blessed hope is in the Second Coming of Jesus and the resurrection of the redeemed at that time, at His appearing (John 14:1-3, 2 Tim 4:6-8, 1 Cor 15:50-55, 1 Thes 4:16-17). With Sam's and Myles' definition or view of death, these texts make no sense.
Myles and Sam didn’t say people don’t die, they said the soul doesn’t die. The body dies. SDA don’t believe in the soul never ceasing to exist. They think the breath is the life. I used to be SDA and thought that too.
@@1971_happylifedog I understand. What I was dealing with is the implications of the theology and the definition or understanding of death as the body dying but the soul or spirit continuing on. In SDA parlance, that is life, not death. Our understanding is rooted in Scripture so this is what we believe the Bible teaches. I understand what Myles and Sam teach but we all are subject to our supposition as to the meaning of death. People die, we all agree. Jesus died, we all agree. The issue is what we mean by death and dying. We don't agree on what death is. I have heard in some SDA presentations this notion of "ceasing to exist" and never noticed the baggage and lack of nuance in the expression until paying attention to these discussions. I may have said it myself in the past because it was second nature, at least in my experience, so I do not contest Myles on that point. So I learn a lot by listening to those that disagree with my position. What do you believe is the Bible position on death, if you don't mind me asking (not trying to goad you into a debate, just interested in where you are now in your understanding)?
Excellent, Myles...thank you for this in depth study
@@bjqb1108 praise to the Triune God and His exhaustive Word!
In depth?? 😂 you mean deep down lies from his mouth? Lol
@@jaykay9827 you obviously didn't listen or cannot comprehend...the natural unsaved man cannot know the things of the born again spiritual man...not a laughing matter...
@@bjqb1108 lady, just save it. He keeps adding lies on his arguments. You just need to open up your mind.
@@bjqb1108 look up Gen 2:7 and Job 27:3 in Hebrew. Looks like it’s you who doesn’t comprehend and just fed with their lies.
What church does Mr. Shamoun go to? He reads the Deuterocanonicals, believes that those in heaven pray for us, is he Orthodox?
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 Assyrian Church of the East-but on the fence regarding Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
@@answeringadventism Thanks.
Ex Adventist here how can I have a conversation with yall tons of questions having been raised Adventist I don’t even feel Ik anything now it was almost all a lie
@@Supahfilm answeringadventism@gmail.com
Bruhh! This is gold! 😂
Fool's gold
READ GALATIANS 3 SEE WHO R FOOLS😮@@wwjd_
soul sleep is not inherently a Adventist doctrine so are you arguing against the Adventist version of soul sleep?
@@villain2374 he used to be an Adventist. His dad is actually an active pastor in the church from what I’ve seen. He needs our prayers. There’s definitely a lot of conflict in this guy
@@grantjmiller15SDAs need our prayers that they’ll leave that false 19th century American sect and become true Christians.
@@grantjmiller15Can u address what being refuted here? No so shut up
What other heretical cults believe in soul sleep?
@@Micki1958 The state of the dead is n0t a salvific issue. There are many points Christians may disagree 0n. I have heard many many theories about the soul being eternal in Scripture but none have been convincing yet; are those who disagree doomed to Hell? What heresy have they committed?
Adventists are not the only people with these kinds of views. Some of the most respected Christian leaders and scholars in Christianity like NT Wright and John Stott came to similar conclusions. (Also, looks like a Braves hat -- go Braves!!)
@@kevinekvall4081 we’re aware. Who said only SDAs claim this? That doesn’t make it true.
@@answeringadventism The reason I brought it up is you have a denigrating tone when discussing Adventist views on this. You call them a "circus" yet Wright, Stott, Boyd, and others believe similarly. CS Lewis struggled with the idea of eternal conscious torment. It seems disrespectful to mock a view that serious, intellectually rigorous Christians have struggled with over the years.
NT wright has a different understanding not close to SDA.
@@dukeofkisii The clear similarity is that both believe Heaven will be setup on earth. After that it's a bit uncertain. Wright de-emphasizes hell and applauds a shaking up of typical views of heaven and hell. Some have suggested he's aiming for a middle ground between annihilation-ism and eternal conscious torment. There are some interesting interviews with him on Premiere Unbelievable on CZcams and he also explores these ideas in Simply Christian and Surprised by Hope.
One has a doctorate in music and the other has a doctorate in adlibs
What doctorate did any of the founders, especially EGW have?
@@1wallywall doctorate in scamming
Amazing demolishing of bible butchers that need to repent, continuesely watching this stream to make your teaching second nature. Once again Sam shows how powerful and beautiful the words of our lord are. God bless these to men for providing us with this knowledge. All glory to the father,son and holy spirt.
Hi Myles, will there be a live debate between you and the SDA? I read one of the comments that said you are afraid to face them in a live debate.
Thank you for exposing SDA. God bless.
Edwin Cotto chickened out. SDA theology is like a straw house, it cannot withstand rigorous Bible Study.
Myles, all growing up from elementary to university, Adventists called their belief after death "soul sleep." When did they start distancing themselves from that phrase?
It's been more recently to distance and distinguish themselves from Jehovah's Witnesses.
@@answeringadventism ..Were do Adventists use the phrase "soul sleep"? Jesus said death was like a sleep did He not???
@@wwjd_Wrong. Death is not sleep. Physical Death is not the end of existence
@@wwjd_ These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.” Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.”
John 11:11, 14
Jesus is the Word of God. He's the best communicator that there is. When He realised his lapse lay, not with His words, but with His audience's understanding, He threw off the euphemism (you *do* know what that is, yes?) and spoke plainly.
@@aaronwalcott513 Sure do know what that is......Here for your own understanding it explains what I said lol...Euphemism...Euphemism is a figure of speech commonly used to REPLACE a word or phrase that is RELATED to a concept that might MAKE OTHERS UNCOFORTABLE. Euphemism refers to figurative language designed to replace phrasing that would otherwise be considered harsh, impolite, or unpleasant....Death sounds really uncomfortable now doesn't it?...Jesus said "SLEEP" TO REPLACE THE WORD DEATH!!!
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Man was created from dust (matter) by breathing he began to function (he was only activated) life was conditioned by obedience! By disobedience man became mortal as he was told. If we believe that after death there is something else that lives, it means that we believe Satan who said "surely you will not die" (Genesis 3:4) not God who said "you will surely die (Genesis 2:17) All The Bible shows us that we are mortal. With the exception of Enoch and Elijah, no one escaped death! Nothing in man lives outside of matter! All that is claimed to be beyond death are just inventions inspired by Satan. The Bible does not contradict itself: but it does not stop us from choosing what suits us, even if we are wrong! Rebels who choose to side with the enemy, look for any argument to keep Satan's lie alive!
Do u BELIEVE christ is ETERNAL ? IF UR ANSWER IS YES WHAT WAS CHRIST BEFORE HE WALKED THE EARTH? DONT RUN
IS GENESIS 3 TALKING ABOUT THE AFTER LIFE?
IF U CEASE TO EXIST WHEN U DIE . HOW DO U RECONCILE
JOHN 6, 47
HE WHO BELIEVETH IN ME ( HAVE ETERNAL LIFE)?
WHAT ABOUT MATHEW 10, 28
DO NOT FEAR THOSE THAT CAN KILL THE BODY BUT NOT THE SOUL ? DONT RUN?
This is one the the first and most lies on SDAs. They butch the scripture in Genesis 3. How is not dying = the state of the dead? One is talking that you will not die and the other is saying how you are when you are dead. Please SDAs stop lying people with this assumptions on yours in Genesis 3
The Adventist guy leading the video sounds arrogant. His voice just doesn’t sit well in my spirit…. Pun intended 😅
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Nice thumbnail.
Halal Hogan ie wild lol
JWs also believe Jesus is Michael The Arch Angel. Both cults cherry pick one biblical verse and falsely interpret it to mean that Jesus is an angel. Both cults push heretical and blasphemous doctrines.
He sounds the zachia nike of the christian debating world. Zacha nike is a popular muslim debater
He was asked a month ago and he didn't show up....They would treat him with respect if he went on their panel....I don't know about the other way around though
@@wwjd_ czcams.com/video/5tWXCnXBWaE/video.htmlsi=5QUneSNHIotjgWmV. Just for context of my comments
Spiritual Squirt guns lol
Wait you call this a refutation 😅
Pure misinterpretation of things which were not said
If you want I could show you
Anyways it has being refuted by the adl .. everyone thinks sam is the boss😂
It would have being nice if you guys could argue about the sola fide analogy sam was bringing up in James 2:26 ...I saw the look on your face
You call us the gullible audience of adl ...well that applies to your audience as well ...people who just want to hear criticisms
I'm waiting for your part 2
Mathew 10 , 28
DO NOT FEAR THOSE THAT CAN KILL THE BODY BUT NOT THE SOUL😮
@@charnelallan7159 oh this same verse again . C'mon
Do you want me to explain it?
So the spirit of the unrepentant who died is in heaven worshiping God. I’m I correct
How would the unrepentant be in heaven?
@@kirky3051 He means the ones who died on the cross with Jesus....while Jesus was dead for three days
@@kirky3051because it’s said that when you die your spirit goes to heaven. It was not said that the repented one who dies there spirit goes to heaven. So if it’s only the repented then where does the spirit of the unrepentant go
@@wwjd_now I’m even more confused 🤔
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misleading at best ..wow you guys are jokers ..lol
@Pacmanflatts23 .. And you don't keep any commandments. I will be praying for you at church tmr .. lol
@@addyjoy830How can u accuse anyone of not keeping the commandements when u just broke the 9th?😮😮😮
@charnelallan7159 ....It's easy to say the 9th..when all along they break and ignore the 4th .. if you break one you are guilty of breaking all .. that's how I know ..
Even if ur claim to be keeping the 4th commandement while bearing false witness on Myles ur not keeping any right?@@addyjoy830
I thought the *spirit " is the character of a man
According to the tripartite theory, man is body, soul and spirit. The first is obvious. The second is like the library of the person: his ego, will, memories and emotions. "Character of a man" falls in that segment of his existence, as you can tell from it being subject to his will. The spirit is the animation of the body, to put it in today's terms. This, I got from my Pastor, Reverend Motilal Rattan, years ago in Bible study.
Jesus Christ did die literally on the cross.
My question now is what does this have to do with who is running the Universe Mr. Myles?
God the Father was running the universe during that time.
If this is an issue, let me know.
Exactly....LOL
Although you didn’t direct this question to me. I’d like to take a stab at your questions if you don’t mind… I’m assuming that your frame of SDA reference is that God, the father the son and the Holy Spirit are three separate beings. And in that case I could see why it would be easy for someone to assume that, Jesus could literally die in the SDA definition of what Myles coined the “soul death” or annihilation. Because it would seem that other two beings - no from your point of view, only one other being, God the Father, is sustaining the universe during Jesus death. So it seems just from baseline definition of who your god is (Tritheism) there is inability to comprehend the spirit and the being of God (one being), His eternality and all powerful being who sustains all creation with Him and not apart from Him. In short, if God stops existing in an annihilation view it would follow that all of creation stops existing. And that would need an explanation how does creation maintains existence outside of the existence of the one true being God?
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Lol! Lol!
It doesn't.
In your mind creation needs to continue to exist. But this makes no sense. If creation should continue without God, then the "Creation" should of had the power or ability to exist prior to it being created!
All of existence came via God, and if God the Father ever ceased to exist, EVERYTHING created would also cease to exist.
@@Vincent-gc3cu that’s exactly my point tho. My last question was rhetorical…
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The Holy Spirit is originally the Spirit of the Father, and was given to Christ, who ultimately gives it to us.
I am no believer in EGW, but it does bear mentioning that those quotes about Jesus taking on the nature of Angels is not taught by Ellen White. That was written by someone named George Reaser and H.W. Cottrell. Lord knows she got a ton of stuff wrong, but I can’t find that in her writings anywhere
You can easily find it in her books on their trademarked website
On 2:39:28 and onward. All Scripture is inspired by God, even Ecclesiastes. Sam pointed out texts where Solomon talked about wine, money, etc., that seem (to him) to reflect less than divine counsel, nevertheless, the writer's definitions of money, wealth, and as it relates to the topic, death remain intact and do not change.
Bible believing Christians, considering 2 Tim 3:16, is it wise to arrive at conclusions (regarding what happens at death, in this case) that require you to tear down confidence in a Bible book (Ecclesiastes) and highlight that it is contradictory? If I didn't know Sam professed Christianity, I would have thought he was atheist or a non-believer trying to discredit the Bible as a holy and inspired book. Why he uses such tactics should be a matter of concern for those who view the Scriptures as God breathed. All of his placing the book in the light of Solomon's thoughts regarding the futility of life apart from God (I agree in some places but not all) does not change the writer's understanding or definition of death. Whether apart from God or not, Solomon, under the inspiration of God, says that both those who are good and those who are evil die, whether man or beast, both die - this is what Solomon was addressing when he attributed no advantage to humans over animals - because both humans and animals die. The subject was death. And when people are dead, they know nothing and can do nothing, as stated in many other places in Scripture (Psalm 6:5; 146:1- 4, Isa 38:18-19).
@@carltonmouzon9547 you simply didn’t understand what was said. Listen again.
Where did Sam say Ecclesiastes isn’t inspired?
He explained the context of the book and the literary genre. Solomon is explaining the mindset of the WICKED in the verse Adventists appeal to to try and support their anthropology. Which is exactly correct. And you made the same error in your comment. You don’t understand what Solomon is explaining.
Your entire comment is based on not listening carefully.
@@answeringadventism Thanks for your response. I listened carefully to the whole presentation and nothing was said that was above my ability to comprehend. I just disagree with what was said. Disagreement does not mean one did not listen or did not understand. My entire comment was dealing with the implications of what Sam said and his tactical approach to basically (in my opinion) dismiss Eccl 9:5.
You ask, "Where did Sam say Ecclesiastes isn't inspired?" I'll answer, nowhere.
Let me ask you: Where in my comment did I literally say that Sam said that Ecclesiastes isn't inspired? Nowhere was that stated. It appears you are dealing with the implications of what I said, much like I was dealing with the implications of what was said in the video. Perhaps another case of rules for thee, but not for me, a reoccurring theme in many presentations, but I digress. If Sam is implying that Solomon's statement in Eccl 9:5 can be dismissed because of genre and the mindset, I simply disagree. Mindset and genre don't necessarily alter the meaning of words/concepts Solomon used such as money, wisdom, life, or death, which were not used figuratively. What Sam said would hold more weight if Ecclesiastes was the only text that speaks of death in this way. But Solomon is not alone in presenting this view of death as an unconscious state and as antithetical to life. What do we do with Psa 6:5, 146:1-4, and Isaiah 38:18-19 among other texts?
Let me clarify if I was unclear earlier. I am not accusing you or Sam of teaching that Ecclesiastes is not inspired, I can tell that you both affirm the inspiration of Scripture. I was merely addressing implications, appealing to others not to so easily dismiss the verse in question (Eccl 9:5), and in my opinion, the approach used to make the point is a bridge too far for those who uphold Scripture as the Word of God.
Your reply is duly noted, along with another reply from a supporter, that it wouldn't hurt for me to be a bit more charitable and less keyboard warrior-ish in my comments from now on. I'll endeavor to do that, by God's grace. Thanks again for addressing my objection.
If a man dies, his body goes to the dust, and his soul goes to sleep meaning his soul is not active. It takes only God to resurrect the soul back to activeness. Just as what happened to Moses, Elijah was fortunate he didn’t taste death. This is what Bible teaches, the belief that soul is active after a person dies causes idolatry, except that the person is resurrected by only Jesus which will happen at his second coming.
So every human being who dies before Christ comes will experience heaven. If the unrepentant who dies before Christ comes again is in heaven, why isn’t the unrepentant who is alive when Christ comes not given the same privilege?
Or is it that if we didn’t repent before we die our Spirits can repent for us in heaven.
So the spirits of the wicked dead are in heaven worshiping God because these spirits have repented. Why should I worry about repenting while I’m alive when my spirit will be going to heaven anyway. So why are we afraid to die when we are guaranteed that our spirits goes to heaven when we die. Heaven is what we are striving for and Dying before Christ comes seem to grantee this so we should not fear death because if we are unrepentant and alive when Christ comes we will be lost. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
UR COMMENT SHOWS U LACK BASIC WISDOM. U DONT DESERVE A RESPONSE
Even if there was a Sunday law The Seventh-Day Adventist would not be persecuted for because they're on purposely breaking the Sabbath every week by not keeping it holy because they promote a false prophet. I also argue that there is no other church that hates the Commandments of God more than the Seventh-day Adventist because they acknowledge all Ten Commandments and then on purposely promote a false prophet weekly which breaks not only Sabbath but also six other Commandments
That wasn't very bright to say.....We promote Jesus Christ ....1 John 2:4
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”......And if people go against the sun day law they will be persecuted...you are a hater Chris
@@wwjd_ "sun day" ~~ Cute. Do the "saturn day" peeps read I Corinthians 13?
Lol, the very fact that a Sunday law comes into being according to what SDAs teach and E.G.W. should worry you. Why? Because it will show the legitimacy of her writings a ND what we teach.
If it doesn't, then you'll be among the deceived and receive the mark.
@wwjd_ Many False teachers use the name of Christ to promote their false teachings. Which is a very Wicked thing to do, is to use Jesus's name to promote a lie.
I find that Seventh-day Adventist like to cry a lot about the Commandments and then go and break them on purpose by promoting a false prophet on the Sabbath. It's a very deceitful Wicked thing to do, to trick people into breaking the Commandments.
Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments.
Daniel 7:25 says that the little horn will think to change God's times and laws and The Seventh-Day Adventist Church has done exactly that by promoting a lie because that calendar is clearly not a karaite calendar. You offer no proof that any Jew ever kept Passover in may let alone back to back years. And we clearly can see that 384 cannot fit into 354
@@cindiloowhoo1166 Sun day is the day the Romans made to worship their Sun God ....cute eh?
Jesus is the son of God. John 3:16.
What a boldfaced lie at 14:55 you must not remember your past videos miles. I know you’ve made some bold claims about Doug Batchelor and why he won’t debate you. And I say this “Because truth matters”
@@grantjmiller15 grasping at straws, Grant. But keep stretching. This is why laity Adventists are ignored. You grasp at straws thinking you’ve proven something.
Go ahead and find where I’ve constantly gone on and on and on and on about why Doug hasn’t debated me and where I’ve ran around continuously claiming he’s scared.
Oh right, you can’t. Because I haven’t. And that was my point. But don’t let that get in the way of your density.
@@answeringadventism keep doubling down bud. I personally think you talk a big game and he’d steam roll right over you but you don’t want to look weak to your yes men so you claim that you reach out to them and then say they’re scared by not responding when the fact is Doug batchelor is just too busy to humor an armchair theologian at best. There is so much hypocrisy in your words and it’s wild that you don’t see it
@@grantjmiller15 yet here you are whining and crying-which was precisely the point. You guys lie and cry while claiming I’m a loser nobody yet here you are whining about me not engaging your idols. The irony.
Cope harder cry baby.
@@answeringadventism and I’ll agree with you when you say you didn’t set up Anthony to be a victim because I don’t think he lost that debate. I saw you on your heals most of the time 😂😂
@@answeringadventism who says I’m whining and crying 😂 I just thought I’d point out the irony in your sign “because truth matters” I think it’s hilarious and no these people are not my idols. Nice try buddy swing and a miss. Jesus is my only lord and savior. I could say the same thing about you with that murderer John Calvin who you put on a pedestal so much
HOW DID SAM KNOW THAT HE IS VERY CORRECT, BEFORE MOCKING YOUR FELLOW WITH SUCH WORDS, AREN'T YOU ALL USING THE SAME TOOL THE BIBLE? THE TRUTH IS ONE OF U IS EITHER WRONG OR CORRECT. I LIKE ADL THOUGH 😊
God can die if He chooses but He can bring Himself from of non existence. also the state of the dead is not a salvific issue in my opinion.
God CANNOT DIE!!! HE IS A SPIRIT!!!
@@IjeomaMenkiti then there are things God can't do. it reminds me of the Muslim fallacy regarding the incarnation where a Muslim claimed since God is infinite and eternal then he cannnot then be temporal and human, he claimed this was an impossibility to God. For God all things are possible also Spirit does not imply immortality. also where does the Bible say the soul is immortal, where does it say we are immortal?
@@villain2374 He also CANNOT LIE
@@villain2374 He’s not nor has He EVER BEEN HUMAN, because that would mean He has a mother and father, a beginning-ending. Why do you think The Spirit had to leave The body for the Flesh to die. Had The Spirit not have left the Body, the Flesh wouldn’t have NEVER DIED. He glorified Jesus body, not the Spirit. His Spirit was/is already glorified.
@@IjeomaMenkiti false equivalence. following that logic then Jesus also cannot incarnate as well. in addition God DOES not lie because it is not His nature; to imply He cannot do anything is to take away from HIs sovereignty. God CAN do anything He wants.
Miles you talk a big game…but we all know you won’t debate them face to face. We want to see you debate them live instead of continuing to do whatever it is you do. “Because truth matters” RIGHT??
He will never do it....
@@wwjd_ SDAs are not true Christians
@@grantjmiller15 why won’t you debate Myles and call into his live stream?
@@deus_vult8111Why can't Myles debate a SDA with high theology, matured in faith? Why does Myles go for the baby SDAs?
Bro stop trying to gaslight. You know if Myles debated an SDA that hung with him he wouldn't have that same energy. People who try to debate someone who’s new to the faith are cowards.
@@BallersLife3 You realize he’s debated 3 SDA pastors at once? Look it up.
Nope, no matter what you say, no matter the amount of idiocrousy you present, Myles, you won't do it for anyone who knows their Bible. Lol
Won't do what?
That's why you're in second Thessalonians chapter 2:11+12!
Can u show us in SCRIPTURES in 1844 Christ moved to another compartment?BEAR IN MIND GOD WHO IS CHRIST IS A SPIRIT, OMNIPRÉSENT 😮
@@charnelallan7159 Yes, that can be shown from Hebrews.
Also, Christ was omnipresent and omnipotent, but it was before his incarnation as a human being.
Christ became our Highpriest in the heavenly sanctuary, in Hebrews 7 Christ is defined as being after the order of Melchizedek. In Hebrews 8 and 9 we see that the word changed is used from the earthly to the heavenly sanctuary.
However, people misuse the word changed, the word changed is defined as transferred not modified, and if you look up the original Greek from these verses you'll see that the Highpriest of men and the earthly sanctuary duties were " changed " ( transferred ) to Christ and the heavenly sanctuary according to Hebrews 9.
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This is so bad😂 desperate refutations from u two. Wanna believe in spiritualism so bad, u guys can't even use simple logic. You guys are defending church fathers made up doctrines on the state of the dead til you die huh😴 All this to waste the money of the people who are paying for candles and special prayers and tickets to heaven🥴
@@weeee2730 im not sure there’s a single thing in your comment that’s correct. Cope harder 😂
You didn’t deal with a shred of the biblical examination here. The church fathers weren’t even mentioned here. All this evidences is you didn’t watch and just spam posted.
@@answeringadventism A Calvinist and a Catholic team up??? Can't even give one shred of evidence that any of the Dead are alive in heaven or in hell. Only Moses and Elijah which represents two groups of those who are saved. But I'm sure you missed that symbol out🤫
At the end of the day we'll see who's right when Christ comes again. And all your work will come and bite you back🤠
The state of the dead is 100% true to the bible because dead is considered sleep in the bible.
You obviously are unable to comprehend actual exegesis of scripture
"Sleep" is euphemistic for "dead." Hebrew language/culture is loaded with figurative language, which transferred over even when Greek became their lingua franca.
Jesus says they are asleep. Jesus own words!
@@bjqb1108lady stop it. You have no place in telling someone they can't comprehend 😑 yet you have any problems being lied to by Myles. As old as you are you should know better
@@BallersLife3Can u tell me IF U BELIEVE CHRIST IS ETERNAL WHAT WAS HE BEFORE HE WALKED THE EARTH ? DONT RUN
Myles is a pathological liar to lie about other people but It is okay because he’s not under the law anymore. 😂
Please say one of his lies then
He read from official SDA sources and the Bible. Where did he lie?
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The truth is a lie in Adventism
@@nonconformist4802 another lie of his follower! Does the scripture you’re reading condone lies?
Moses was still alive because who is the first one to be resurrected and go to heaven ? Mmmm