Iron Cross comes from the Franco- prussian war. This is just the ww2 version. When you say it comes from the 40ties you underestimate the history. In my Familie 5 generations awarded the ironcross. It hurts a bit my German feelings. I myself awarded the honorcross of the German Army in Silver which is the modern version of the EK1. If you are interesstet i make a video for you with the differences, so you can see all generations in a row. Best regards from Berlin Germany.
@@comradetman3784 Thats the whole point,- In its simplicity and worthlessness it should remind of the difficult and iron time that called it into being
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Hello everyone and thanks for all of the interest. The medal in this video was authenticated by the the military appraiser often seen on Pawn Stars , so there is no doubt about its authenticity. We have been busy over the last few years, but plan on doing some more videos on collectables and stock charting. Until then I wish everyone the best.
I always hear that the pinback was more common, but these were more popular with soldiers....and they did make post war repros in 3 piece construction.
I still kick myself when I remember taking the one my father brought back in ww2, with the ribbon and glued it on a belt buckle in the 70's and of course, lost it through the years.
If you look at the back of an Iron Cross 2nd Class (EK 2), Knight's Cross or a Grand Cross of the Iron Cross you'll notice on the backside of the medal, on the bottom, the year "1817" is debossed in it. That's when the Iron Cross was first made and issued to German Soldiers. The Iron Cross 1st Class is actually 4 pieces. Front frame, actual iron cross insert, backplate and either pin or screw-back. Not having rust is perfectly possible and in certain medals it should not have any rust at all. A lot of soldiers kept their iron cross off and cased while in action (despite German Military Protocol) and there were also crosses made with a brass and even copper inserts for Naval Personnel so their's wouldn't rust. It's either magnetic or non-magnetic brass or the very rare copper. I wouldn't recommend trying to bend a REAL iron cross, either. They're sturdy but a 1914-1918 issued WWI EK1? You're likely to see it turn into three pieces. Any soldered together multi-piece medal 73 years+ old is very subject to breaking. It's wasn't stamped despite being the 2nd most commonly awarded German medal after the EK2, it was actually hand soldered individually which is why an off place replica stands out like a sore thumb. Most were not screw back single or multi-piece backed, either smooth of clamshell styled. They were pin-backed even though the pin gets up to 5mm+ in the middle of it. Screw-back Iron Cross 1st Class always go for at least a hundred (usually much more these days) than their more common awarded pin-backs. There were 11+ manufacturers during WW2 and many medals were awarded with no maker markings whatsoever, or they're worn off and no traces of them left due to wear. I have a 1939 era with a 100% intact paint 99+% overall shape and it's maker marks are barely visible. You need magnification and even then someone unfamiliar with them couldn't make out the lettering. A lot of soldiers (especially during WW2, Nazis) "Field Modified" there's into a screw back either intentionally or when their pin-back broke. The pin-backs are a lot more prone to breaking than screw backs and even replicas go for double their pin-backed equals. Those still sell for over hundreds as they are still original medals. Not all of the screw-back models had or have anchoring pins on the back, either. Some were made without them and some were broken off or worn so often there's no trace of the anchoring points just like makers marks.Some just had little bumps on them. Once a screw back was on it wasn't going to turn easily, especially if it's a vaulted cross. A Vaulted WW1 with a clamshell back is rare and that's how a lot of the screw-back replicas are. There were EK1's made with two screw-backs as well. Those if I remember right were WW1s. Pin-back there was no need for anchoring points as there's no way it could've spun around. In WW2 a lot of cowardly lying Nazis took their 2nd Class Iron Cross and welded on a screw back to the backside.Those can even sell for hundreds, LoL! There's no sterling silver backs, they're usually brass with silver plating, aluminum alloy or at the very best 80% silver. Saying a Iron Cross 1st Class is 44mm isn't accurate as well. The Nazi 1939 issued is 44mm but what about a 1914 WW1? Or a vaulted WW1 cross? The WW1 looks almost identical (minus the swastika and add a "W" and a crown) on it's own but put it next to a WW2 EK1. It's more like 38mm or 37mm. That's what nutty Adolph wore from his service in WW1 and he had several replicas made so his always looked like it was in super shape. All of them scratched with iron showing but all in awesome shape with no rusting. Not to be a prick or anything but do your homework before you make a video. People can lose hundreds from not knowing the facts. I use to collect all types of WW2 and WW1 medals, Axis and Allies and I remember that much of my Iron Crosses from 1939-1945 and 1914-1918... despite it being 15-18 years since I bought them. They've gone up like 100+% in the last 15+ years as online sales have made them more rare. They make replicas so well now that it's actually becoming more and more difficult to verify it being original. Especially if you're a collector of NSDAP pins which there were many styles. I know someone who sells replicas and originals online and his 3 piece cross with aging looks so authentic it's scary for a medal collector. He makes them exactly like there were made in WW1 and WW2 (hand soldered on more premium versions... or paint scraped off so you can't tell on cheaper models) and his patina & aging skills are amazing on his premium hand made medals. I always thought you'd never see a Nazi era Grand Cross of the Iron Cross since Goering's was blown up in Summer of 1945 along with his little Villa. Not true. There's a certified authentic never issued one online right now selling for $67,000, and I'm sure there's many more authentic ones out their. Nazi's made medals like McDonald's makes different flavored burgers. Peace, Bro.
Did "In WW2 a lot of cowardly lying Nazis" have anything to do with this? They were probably the opposite of cowardly, would you be willing to go to war and do something brave and kill people?
hey! If i send you pictures on my newly bought iron cross, can you help me find out if it's real? I think I see that "small seem" that you're talking about but I'm still a bit worried..
My understanding is that iron crosses that are worn by oak leaves and not pins/badges are .800 silver with a metal core, that is andodized metal, not painted. Nazi germany was very precise on production specifications, that was Even before the introduction of the RZ numerical index system for quality assurance and military control specifications. In addition, German Silver is not silver. It is a nickloid alloy, similar to ALP (alpaca) silveroid, nickleoid and such, most 30s-40s german “silver, metal” medals were made from .800 purity silver. That being .800/1000 or .800 pure, less than Britainia or sterling
I've seen the Iron Cross First Class in little presentation cases from WWI. Did they always do that with these? Or, are they exceptions rather than the rule? I'm guessing many of the cases were lost or in some cases not given out as they were quick "field citation"- type presentations. What about the ones from WWII? I'm still scratching my head about Goring's Great Cross of the Iron Cross. I've heard so many stories about it and the path gets very convoluted and twisted! When I was a kid living in Europe years ago I was given a Knight's Cross as a present. The suspension had been removed and it had been hooked up to a black ribbon-type brooch with a gold buckle-type thing. The center moved within the frame. I wish I still had it! Thanks for the video, very enjoyable and educating for us "newbies!" 👍😀👍
I don't know why people don't like German stuff, it's not all nazis, I have a really good quality Iron Cross and Eastern front service medal, good tutorial
Ghoul or not it is a piece of world history. It used to be said that history should be learned so others will not repeat it. Sadly all history is being re written.
The cross can’t be evaluated by anyone watching this so ignore comments to be honest. The reason is because it looks like you are bouncing around on a pogo stick while filming, maybe reshoot this with the cross and the camera still/in a fixed position...l Anyway thanks for posting dude.
Uhh if you mean the entire German cross came out in the 1940s nah they came out 1800s they are made every war but sometimes they are not made in the time of war, sorry if you only mention that one
Approx 250-350 euro,s depending it,s state and maker and bought in Germany. That is where the real ones still mostly are. 70% of the US stuff is either fake or made just after the war for souvenirs. Don,t buy these decorations of the US market way way overpriced and mostly fakes
Dude you left out the depth of the Swastika is a big indicator.Problem with many German medals was after the war many more pieces were made using authentic presses.
naja es gab viele nachkriegsstücke die für die alliierten Besatzungsmächte gefertigt wurden damit sie ein Souvenir von Deutschland mit nachhause nehmen konnten es war ja auch ein grosses Geschäft für die Juweliere in Deutschland. Und diese Fälschung im Video zeigt eine berühmte floch Fälschung die nach dem krieg gefertigt wurden bis in die 70,er80 er jahren. Man muss sich als phalerist selbstverständlich mit dem material der Typik und der zeitperiode beschäftigen damit man sowas herausfindet....
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@@mrmc2465 I mixed up 1st class with second class iron crosses. 1st class is more expensive because they are rarer, and you would have to earn the second class to be able to earn the first class iron cross.
Jim W sorry I’m not mate. I’ve got one that my grandad took of a German POW at some point. I don’t think I’d actually sell it tho sorry, I was just curious of value. I’ve come close a couple of times but deep down I know I couldn’t! Sorry for the goose chase. All the best for finding one. Mine has a pin back unlike this one.
This is a known high end Flock fake I'm afraid, marker mark on the screw back is a red flag. I've had marks on screw back WW1 DRGM and maker logo etc but red flag for WW2.
Doubtful since he’s a Republican… the Dems like restricting rights and started the KKK and we all remember when Killary said after his death that Robert Brid was a great man…it’s funny because he was a high ranking member of the KKK. Morale of the story, the left is literally a reflection of the 3rd Reich. Keep voting for war, suppression of freedom, racism, and the decay of civilized society.
Iron Cross comes from the Franco- prussian war. This is just the ww2 version. When you say it comes from the 40ties you underestimate the history. In my Familie 5 generations awarded the ironcross. It hurts a bit my German feelings. I myself awarded the honorcross of the German Army in Silver which is the modern version of the EK1. If you are interesstet i make a video for you with the differences, so you can see all generations in a row. Best regards from Berlin Germany.
Actually it was introduced in 1813 , but it was just plain
This is the 39 version u are thinking of the Prussian one.
@@hoseavanderlindematthews3750 I know ,
@@comradetman3784
Thats the whole point,- In its simplicity and worthlessness it should remind of the difficult and iron time that called it into being
Agreed
A great little tutorial ...thanks mate
Thank you
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Hello everyone and thanks for all of the interest. The medal in this video was authenticated by the the military appraiser often seen on Pawn Stars , so there is no doubt about its authenticity.
We have been busy over the last few years, but plan on doing some more videos on collectables and stock charting. Until then I wish everyone the best.
I always hear that the pinback was more common, but these were more popular with soldiers....and they did make post war repros in 3 piece construction.
the way he says swastika is hilarious
Why do you take the piss ,
A very well made presentation
Right on bud, great video!
I still kick myself when I remember taking the one my father brought back in ww2, with the ribbon and glued it on a belt buckle in the 70's and of course, lost it through the years.
If you look at the back of an Iron Cross 2nd Class (EK 2), Knight's Cross or a Grand Cross of the Iron Cross you'll notice on the backside of the medal, on the bottom, the year "1817" is debossed in it. That's when the Iron Cross was first made and issued to German Soldiers.
The Iron Cross 1st Class is actually 4 pieces. Front frame, actual iron cross insert, backplate and either pin or screw-back.
Not having rust is perfectly possible and in certain medals it should not have any rust at all. A lot of soldiers kept their iron cross off and cased while in action (despite German Military Protocol) and there were also crosses made with a brass and even copper inserts for Naval Personnel so their's wouldn't rust. It's either magnetic or non-magnetic brass or the very rare copper.
I wouldn't recommend trying to bend a REAL iron cross, either. They're sturdy but a 1914-1918 issued WWI EK1? You're likely to see it turn into three pieces. Any soldered together multi-piece medal 73 years+ old is very subject to breaking.
It's wasn't stamped despite being the 2nd most commonly awarded German medal after the EK2, it was actually hand soldered individually which is why an off place replica stands out like a sore thumb.
Most were not screw back single or multi-piece backed, either smooth of clamshell styled. They were pin-backed even though the pin gets up to 5mm+ in the middle of it. Screw-back Iron Cross 1st Class always go for at least a hundred (usually much more these days) than their more common awarded pin-backs.
There were 11+ manufacturers during WW2 and many medals were awarded with no maker markings whatsoever, or they're worn off and no traces of them left due to wear. I have a 1939 era with a 100% intact paint 99+% overall shape and it's maker marks are barely visible. You need magnification and even then someone unfamiliar with them couldn't make out the lettering.
A lot of soldiers (especially during WW2, Nazis) "Field Modified" there's into a screw back either intentionally or when their pin-back broke. The pin-backs are a lot more prone to breaking than screw backs and even replicas go for double their pin-backed equals. Those still sell for over hundreds as they are still original medals.
Not all of the screw-back models had or have anchoring pins on the back, either. Some were made without them and some were broken off or worn so often there's no trace of the anchoring points just like makers marks.Some just had little bumps on them. Once a screw back was on it wasn't going to turn easily, especially if it's a vaulted cross. A Vaulted WW1 with a clamshell back is rare and that's how a lot of the screw-back replicas are. There were EK1's made with two screw-backs as well. Those if I remember right were WW1s. Pin-back there was no need for anchoring points as there's no way it could've spun around.
In WW2 a lot of cowardly lying Nazis took their 2nd Class Iron Cross and welded on a screw back to the backside.Those can even sell for hundreds, LoL!
There's no sterling silver backs, they're usually brass with silver plating, aluminum alloy or at the very best 80% silver.
Saying a Iron Cross 1st Class is 44mm isn't accurate as well. The Nazi 1939 issued is 44mm but what about a 1914 WW1? Or a vaulted WW1 cross? The WW1 looks almost identical (minus the swastika and add a "W" and a crown) on it's own but put it next to a WW2 EK1. It's more like 38mm or 37mm. That's what nutty Adolph wore from his service in WW1 and he had several replicas made so his always looked like it was in super shape. All of them scratched with iron showing but all in awesome shape with no rusting.
Not to be a prick or anything but do your homework before you make a video. People can lose hundreds from not knowing the facts. I use to collect all types of WW2 and WW1 medals, Axis and Allies and I remember that much of my Iron Crosses from 1939-1945 and 1914-1918... despite it being 15-18 years since I bought them. They've gone up like 100+% in the last 15+ years as online sales have made them more rare.
They make replicas so well now that it's actually becoming more and more difficult to verify it being original. Especially if you're a collector of NSDAP pins which there were many styles. I know someone who sells replicas and originals online and his 3 piece cross with aging looks so authentic it's scary for a medal collector. He makes them exactly like there were made in WW1 and WW2 (hand soldered on more premium versions... or paint scraped off so you can't tell on cheaper models) and his patina & aging skills are amazing on his premium hand made medals.
I always thought you'd never see a Nazi era Grand Cross of the Iron Cross since Goering's was blown up in Summer of 1945 along with his little Villa. Not true. There's a certified authentic never issued one online right now selling for $67,000, and I'm sure there's many more authentic ones out their. Nazi's made medals like McDonald's makes different flavored burgers.
Peace, Bro.
How much would Heinrich Mueller's Iron cross be worth? It was given to his nephew and brought here.. among other things..
Did "In WW2 a lot of cowardly lying Nazis" have anything to do with this?
They were probably the opposite of cowardly, would you be willing to go to war and do something brave and kill people?
1813
hey! If i send you pictures on my newly bought iron cross, can you help me find out if it's real? I think I see that "small seem" that you're talking about but I'm still a bit worried..
Hey its Elvis giving a lesson on Iron Crosses yip eeeee.
Paul Rowe it’s called a Southern Drawl with A mouthful of Tobacco!
It’s funny how you making this video but I actually found that exact same one online I’m not gonna lie it’s pretty cool
My understanding is that iron crosses that are worn by oak leaves and not pins/badges are .800 silver with a metal core, that is andodized metal, not painted. Nazi germany was very precise on production specifications, that was Even before the introduction of the RZ numerical index system for quality assurance and military control specifications. In addition, German Silver is not silver. It is a nickloid alloy, similar to ALP (alpaca) silveroid, nickleoid and such, most 30s-40s german “silver, metal” medals were made from .800 purity silver. That being .800/1000 or .800 pure, less than Britainia or sterling
A medal that was made in the 40's...(shake my head)
Broke_boi_moses that’s the start of the War not the year the NSDAP was established
it was established during the napoleonic war then the nazis took it and used it
This was first introduced in 1939 and was given all years till 1945 the date 1939 never changed because it was the start of the war
@@preuischetreue9178 Duh! ?? That was my point.
preußische treue same that in rhe ww1, french-prussian war or napoleonic wars... personally i prefer the ww1 model
How much would you say is a reasonable price for an Iron Cross 1st class?
I've seen the Iron Cross First Class in little presentation cases from WWI. Did they always do that with these? Or, are they exceptions rather than the rule? I'm guessing many of the cases were lost or in some cases not given out as they were quick "field citation"- type presentations. What about the ones from WWII?
I'm still scratching my head about Goring's Great Cross of the Iron Cross. I've heard so many stories about it and the path gets very convoluted and twisted!
When I was a kid living in Europe years ago I was given a Knight's Cross as a present. The suspension had been removed and it had been hooked up to a black ribbon-type brooch with a gold buckle-type thing. The center moved within the frame. I wish I still had it!
Thanks for the video, very enjoyable and educating for us "newbies!"
👍😀👍
The guy forgot that the real screw backs never had a makers mark on the plate itself..Was on the cross only....Bummer
Very helpful I have one from 1914 2nd class
cool, me too. I also have a knights cross of the iron cross from 1939.
@@pianoracoon908 wich class? 1st class or 2nd class
@@ferdinandp1938 Jesus, it's higher than both classes...
@@pianoracoon908 100% a fake. If you want, you can upload a video on your channel, but I guarantee you, that is a fake for sure.
Iron cross first class came out during the napoleonic wars
thank you
PAST REALITY!!! THIS IS THE GERMAN HISTORY!!!
yea, it came in fourties. How the hell you think you are quallifiede to make tutorial on authentication is beyond me
The German Iron cross was around earlier than the 40’s..🤔
I don't know why people don't like German stuff, it's not all nazis, I have a really good quality Iron Cross and Eastern front service medal, good tutorial
iron cross isn't a nazi symbol. Just some idiotic neo-nazis turned it into a hate symbol.
@@ericgu9036 exactly
That ghoul is creepy and you know it.
Ghoul or not it is a piece of world history. It used to be said that history should be learned so others will not repeat it. Sadly all history is being re written.
The cross can’t be evaluated by anyone watching this so ignore comments to be honest. The reason is because it looks like you are bouncing around on a pogo stick while filming, maybe reshoot this with the cross and the camera still/in a fixed position...l Anyway thanks for posting dude.
Amenzing iron cross
Thank your sir ,,love n peace fishburn co durham
Uhh if you mean the entire German cross came out in the 1940s nah they came out 1800s they are made every war but sometimes they are not made in the time of war, sorry if you only mention that one
I like the history
How much are they worth?
I would love to have one!! Where can I find one?
I have ww2 2nd class
How much for one in good condition?
Approx 250-350 euro,s depending it,s state and maker and bought in Germany. That is where the real ones still mostly are. 70% of the US stuff is either fake or made just after the war for souvenirs. Don,t buy these decorations of the US market way way overpriced and mostly fakes
@@dickvansteijn4115 which is the difference between the concave and flat first class iron cross
Only the screw backs had the pin
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That EK1 is a Floche Fake.
How can you tell from the camera work lol, I have a floch and could tell.
Dude you left out the depth of the Swastika is a big indicator.Problem with many German medals was after the war many more pieces were made using authentic presses.
How much it's cost
U no it's fake when they say look look look it's real
Ah another collecter like me I have an iron cross from wwi and a wwii pin and penny
I like tho get one
Sorry this iron cross is a Floch Postwar Fake but is to a good piece
German WW2 collection ww2 Warum? :O
naja es gab viele nachkriegsstücke die für die alliierten Besatzungsmächte gefertigt wurden damit sie ein Souvenir von Deutschland mit nachhause nehmen konnten es war ja auch ein grosses Geschäft für die Juweliere in Deutschland. Und diese Fälschung im Video zeigt eine berühmte floch Fälschung die nach dem krieg gefertigt wurden bis in die 70,er80 er jahren. Man muss sich als phalerist selbstverständlich mit dem material der Typik und der zeitperiode beschäftigen damit man sowas herausfindet....
German WW2 collection ww2 Alles klar, wusste gar nicht, dass die in "so großem Stil" gefälscht wurden, danke dir.
kein Problem :) naja wenns um Ordens Fälschungen geht steht drittes reich eisernes kreuz und ritterkreuz leider ganz oben auf der liste :/..... selbstverständlich auch deren Ausrüstungs wie alltagsgegenstände .....
yes it's a fake
Great video. I wonder how much the genuine cross sells for
Lucas Hearne an iron cross first class is $90-$130. An iron cross second class is $300-500. I recommend to buy from regimentals or eBay
@@strelok237 why are 2nd class more expensive?
@@mrmc2465 I mixed up 1st class with second class iron crosses. 1st class is more expensive because they are rarer, and you would have to earn the second class to be able to earn the first class iron cross.
Do you know where I can buy an authentic iron cross like that?
on website : hiscoll or trave_miltaria.com or helmut weitze
on website : hiscoll or gielsmilitaria or trave.militaria or helmut weitze for an authentic medal
I’ve got one. Not sure if the value
@@wingcommanderwalton3820 Are you on Facebook?
Jim W sorry I’m not mate. I’ve got one that my grandad took of a German POW at some point. I don’t think I’d actually sell it tho sorry, I was just curious of value. I’ve come close a couple of times but deep down I know I couldn’t! Sorry for the goose chase. All the best for finding one. Mine has a pin back unlike this one.
I have a iron cross second class
Awesome! Keep collecting.
Dammit I think I got a 2nd
Is this Herman göering's iron cross
LOL seriously doubt it...he wore his 1914 version on his uniform .
This is a known high end Flock fake I'm afraid, marker mark on the screw back is a red flag. I've had marks on screw back WW1 DRGM and maker logo etc but red flag for WW2.
Dude are you selling that i wanna buy one
Ye ha boy
Great video, but I’m positive that this is post war Floche Fake.
Stay safe.
you are correct - It is a fake.
I want a german iron cross from 1813
Good luck...virtually unobtainable my friend :(
A communist furry what type of mixure is that?
Buy a nice replica
The originals are almost impossible to purchase and very expensive. If you,re not An expert you will be ripped of
It's real look now $$$
Monetisazion 0
OK from România Transilvania !!! 🇷🇴😀
Ah, a nice fake cross. Hope you didn't overpay for that one:)
Why Is it fake? I'm just leaning the ins and outside of picking out fakes.
1914 is was they where made
Did you have a stroke typing this
I have one from my grandpa ..1914 or 1918 ..can't remember and can't find it ...
Unfortunately you have a fake cross here
Can you tell me why, I'm just learning
Im so glad screwbacks are more common.
Spit the tobacco out man! Dip, snuff, or chew spit it out when making a video!
this is a Floche Fake. L/21 don't exist on EK2
It's a jew.
part of Trump's collection
Fuck you , you liberal prick,fucking snowflake ass.
LOL Trump is a jew
Doubtful since he’s a Republican… the Dems like restricting rights and started the KKK and we all remember when Killary said after his death that Robert Brid was a great man…it’s funny because he was a high ranking member of the KKK. Morale of the story, the left is literally a reflection of the 3rd Reich. Keep voting for war, suppression of freedom, racism, and the decay of civilized society.