Yuzuru Hanyu Thesis from Waseda | 3D Motion Capture, Physics, Unfair vs AI judging in Figure Skating
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- In late April 2021, Waseda University published a summary of graduation thesis written by Yuzuru Hanyu. Within days, it's attracted over 20k downloads from all over the world. And people has been asking around if there's any English version (Probably first time in our lives we wanna read a thesis written in foreign language so anxiously). Out of curiosity, we read it, translated it, and now ready to share a summary of what he thinks and what we thought in the video. Let's take a look!
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Intro of Waseda and Yuzuru Hanyu thesis | 0:00 - 1:05
3D Motion Tracking Technology and potential use for AI judging | 1:05 - 2:13
Unfair judging in figure skating | 2:13 - 5:16
Physics behind ice skating jumps | 5:16 - 7:42
Contact Points in Noitom 3D Motion Capture software and its potential application in figure skating | 7:42 - 12:39
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Who knows watching figure skating can turn into an impromptu physics lesson? 😆
This video was edited out of pure curiosity on the graduation thesis written by Yuzuru Hanyu. In case anyone interested, we had translated his thesis written in Japanese to English here: docs.google.com/document/d/19npKcPdFgjvusLp4Kz_6QKacoBcgXuQZOGkQEmfJ4M0/edit?usp=sharing
Arigato gozaimasu for your curiosity !!!👍😊
@Diane gordon Haha hope the curiosity doesn't kill a cat though 😜😜😂
Wow great job translating hanyu yuzuru's thesis. I am definitely gonna check it out.
He will continue his study and join the govt with the boring job perhaps ...but his love to ice skating never be replaced...that I am curious to know...😂😂😂
@@FigureSkatingFan a cat? Pooh cat or Pooh bear? 😂😂😂
ISU must take this seriously. This can solve so many problems. Yuzuru Hanyu not only being the king of this sport, he is also giving everything he has to make this sport more fair and more popular all around the world. Instead of underscoring him, isu should be grateful.
Yes. It's so rare to have such a skater who's not only good in skating, but love skating so much, and has the intelligence to pull different resources together for some serious research on how to make the sport better all the time. We are so glad to live in the Hanyu era..
but ISU will do anything to prevent fair judging to happen lol
Ich bin völlig in Ihrer Meinung!
Wie Yuzuru vorgeschlagen hat, soll ISU jetzt mit Hilfe der besten Eisläufers aller Welt Big Data sammeln, so dass Yuzuru diese Forschung weiter fortschreiten kann.
*****
I fully agree with you!
As Yuzuru has suggested, ISU should now collect big data with the help of the best ice skaters in the world, so that Yuzuru can continue this research.
@@euniceaudian Why would they do that? Long term it's beneficial to them...
@@moma-b no one knows 🥺
What I liked about this thesis is that it's not trying to replace ISU judges with AI, but rather, provide more timely information to help judges make the correct decisions. He still had faith in the judges after all these years of unfair judging, as if the calls they made are due to the impossible tasks they were asked to do, not the politics behind big ferderations.
Yes! That’s also what makes him so admirable. Many people just complaint about the judges or corruption and never thought about any solution. He doesn’t. He explored the possible solutions for the problems he saw and instead of whining.. We learnt so much reading his thesis..
@@FigureSkatingFan agree
I would say, probably it would be better for everyone if technical elements would be judge by AI using sensor data and human judges would only give scores on the artistry.
It would be better for the judges and for the skaters too.
At the end of the Olympic gala exhibititon video the announcer says “Hanyu just gave a master class in what figure skating really is. He’s even studied the the sport and put in little markers of the past throughout the performance”. Now he’s advancing the sport even further and adding a whole new realm of possibilities. Take a bow Mr Hanyu. You deserve it. Pooh rain!!!
YEAH, YOU'RE NOT JUST A skater.. A FAR MORE THAN THAT!
Pooh rain!
He has everything!! Even brain 🧠
Yuzuru wrote this thesis, not for his own purpose, but for his desire to help improve, expand the entire figure skating to a new higher level. He is not selfish. He always think of helping others improve, move ahead with a hope.
He's a true role model. I wish I learned about him earlier.
なんてすごい人なんだろう。
いつも先の先の事に目を向けて前進している。
それ以上にここまで情熱を注げるフィギュアが心から好きなのが伝わります。
オリンピック2連覇をしてすごいと思っていたけれど、それ以上に偉大な人ですね！
I can confirm he's one of the most if not the most passionate athlete about their sport. He has a sexy brain y'all. He loves skating so much! it's unbelievable
We know right! ❤❤
For reallllll
Sport is science. Gymnastics officials are using AI for some years now. It’s only a matter of time to happen this also in figure skating, skiing, fencing etc. Yuzuru disturbed the comfortable. We should make more noise. Thank you for this video
💓💓Glad to hear it. Do share it if you can so this great thesis could reach out to more people and continue to inspire more people to make more noise 💪
The more I find out about Yuzu the more I fall in love with him. I'm so glad to have found out about you, my love
Yuzuru really a whole package, talented, handsome, humble, friendly, smart, passionate 👏💖
I was tremendously impressed with Yuzuru long before watching this video. He is incredibly skilled kinaesthetically, elegant, graceful, strong, athletic, intelligent, humble, handsome and sexy. This thesis adds a helluva lot more to my opinion of this man. At the moment, I suspect that the ISU is conservatively resistant and protectionist against anything that challenges their sense of privilege and status. I think that this approach to the technical aspects of figure skating will eventually come about, as it has in gymnastics and other sports, leaving judges to mark on aesthetics, interpretation, artistry and performance.
Ray Lightbrown Well said.
I agree 100%
I feel the same way with you 👍
agree
When I did my thesis, I was only aiming for good GPA, knowing my thesis was just gonna end up collecting dust in a shelf on the uni's library. BUT his thesis is different. Hell, *HE IS* DIFFERENT!! He can change the world of figure skating, we all know how he pours his soul into the sport. Don't argue with me, I'm stating facts. He already changed my world anyway.
He's insanely good, from ALL aspects.
Yuzuru vs Judge??!! 🥺👏 I hope yuzu win!!!👍
Yuzu will win because the truth always wins ❗
EVIL IS SHOWN BUT "HAS SHORT LEGS"!
Yuzu is a very intelligent Person and has yet to make itself felt in history...💪👏👏
先ず、解り易い例を挙げ、まとめ、動画で伝えて下さった事に、羽生選手のいちファンとして心より感謝申し上げます。日本の一部のメディアは、羽生選手が他選手やジャッジへの批判を爆発させたもの＝羽生選手の論文というふうに歪曲し平然と記事にしているのに、海外でこんな風にきちんと間違いのない認識をしてもらえたこと、まずそこが一番嬉しかったです。思わず涙してしまう程に。彼の論文を全てを理解しきれるか分かりませんが、一言でも多く理解が出来るよう、何度も何度も読み返したいと思います。もっともっと世界で色んな方に取り上げて頂きたいですね。モーションキャプチャには不完全な点を明らかにする以外に、選手の早期上達への促進や怪我なども未然に防げる等の賜物を沢山孕んでいる気がします。 多分、羽生選手が声を上げた今が好機かと。もっともっと、追い風が吹くことを願います。
羽生選手は、「技術改革はもちろん，遠隔での指導にも使えるだろう。」とも書いています。
フィギュアスケート選手が自分の動きをモーションキャプチャー技術で記録することができれば、自分の動きを客観的に見て分析することができる。
演技を動画撮影して自分で見直すのは定番かもしれませんが、モーションキャプチャー技術を使えば、より正確に、エッジの使い方なども修正できるということです。
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「着地時のデータについては疑問が残る……膝の角度や着地時の回転角度の精度は疑わしい。」とのことですが、「飛ぶ瞬間までの動作のデータについては極めて良い精度で取れている」とのこと。
そして将来的には、「無線式慣性センサー式モーションキャプチャを実際のスケートリンクでビデオ画像の撮影と同期させながら使用することにより、フィギュアスケートの独特の動作の推定に特化したデータセットを作成する」、そのことにより、「今回の実験で使用したセンサー等特別な機器を使用することなく，TV中継などで撮影される画像によりモーションキャプチャー・データが取得可能となる。」ことを目指す。
つまり、センサーを使ったデータと映像とのデータセットによるビッグデータが集まれば、センサーなしに映像だけでモーションキャプチャー・データが取れる。
それは遠隔指導を含めた選手の練習時の技術向上にも、ＡＩ採点にも使えるということですね。
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羽生選手が論文中で不正なジャンプを教えているコーチやクラブ、そうした不正なジャンプを跳ぶ選手、その不正を見逃してルールに規定された減点をしないジャッジを批判しているのは事実。
けれどもその批判は、フィギュアスケートという競技の発展のために必要不可欠なものです。
国際スケート連盟は、迅速に改革に動くべきだと痛感します。
Although Yuzuru Hanyu is the athlete who is most persecuted by the current scoring system, he still does his best to make sure that the sport is scored fairly. While I admire his broad-mindedness, I also admire the fact that he really loves figure skating and has dedicated himself to it. Finally, I would like to thank the video producer for the professional explanation, which not only let me, an amateur, know the physics of the 3 types of jumps, but also inspired me with some ideas that I can apply to my usual scientific work.
you can easily tell how much he cares about this sport, his passion goes beyond personal gain he really wants this sport to be saved and improved
羽生的这篇畢業論文，不僅证明他不是个头腦简单四肢发達的花滑运动员，而是个聰明绝顶的花滑天才！他这一生从四岁开始学習花滑起，就一直把这项运动做为自己畢生的志業！他虽然有与生俱来的天份，但他的努力不懈，堅韌的意志力才是他成为如今花滑超級大滿贯的原因！但他並不以此为滿足，为了他心爱的花滑，他更从科学的角度去研究如何使这项运动能更好，站在科学的理論上让评分更能叫人信服。花滑运动界何其有幸能得此一运动员，这世界何其有幸能得此一位肢体，艺術性和智商都超级強大的人物！羽生結弦用自己的努力在人类历史上为自己刻上濃沫重彩的的一筆！他的成就值得人们的尊敬与赞掦！
ここってロシアの羽生結弦選手のファンが多いですね☺️
分かりやすくまとめてくださってありがとうございます❗羽生選手これからもずっと応援してます❤️
OMG! You guys work so hard to translate his thesis and making this video! Thank you so so much!!!
💓💓It's a really interesting read 💕💕
Thank u for English version 👍. I knew he is something. He is chosen for his field..but i am not for sure. Perhaps he has another capabilities which we don't know!
@@thetanayanaya7690 Just keep your eyes on him. Something wonderful is coming with his professional years. I'm certain.
He certainly combined beauty and brains! I see his thesis as something that will inevitably lead the way in the evolution of the sport. Implementing these principles would eliminate many failings in the judging system and improve the overall performance levels of skaters. It is a Process already used in many precision sports like gymnastics, giving the judges less opportunity for bias and more freedom to concentrate on the artistic components of figure skating.🙂🇨🇦
This is why I admire Yuzuru Hanyu so much. You can clearly see how passionate he is in his career in figuring skating that he uses all his knowledge and experience to create something every skater could possibly have great use of as well as for these sly judges to stop manipulating and tweaking their scores. I sincerely hope that the ISU will stop being a blind eye to this🙄
ISU literally needs to take this into consideration. The unfair judging has been getting too much it makes me so mad how skaters are underscored and overscored. Now, alot of the skaters does not get the scores they actually deserve from their performances because of unfair judging. This could really solve so much problems. If they can do it for gymnastics, they should definitely do it for skating. Besides, yuzuru hanyu has even made a whole thesis about it and has even conducted the experiment. It. can definitely work.
從喜歡、敬佩他對花滑的熱誠到現在，覺得他已是能改變整個花滑運動風氣的運動員了，強大到能以實際行動和所學讓滑冰運動變得更好，真的是值得讓大家喜愛和佩服的人!
スポーツ業界にも、画期的で素晴らしいAI技術をいち早く取り入れるべきですね！でなければならない。
YUZU IS MY KING
面白い‼️・・・
何故、何故を見逃さず。
不平を、言っても・・
羽生結弦さんのやり方で
究明して、論文を書かれた‼️
分かりやすく、興味を持ちました。
見てれば、時速、加速？負担？
何て解りゃしない‼️
足にも、負担は並みでは無いのでしょうね。
大袈裟に言ったら、命懸けの競技？… に成る理由だし。
ケガの対応にも、なり得ますね。
お疲れ様でした。
命懸けはフィギュアスケートだけではありませんよ 体操だって命懸け 野球だってラグビーだって子供が学校でやる持久走だって何人も犠牲者が出ています 不正に声をあげるのは当たり前の事です羽生選手にさえ文句を云うなと言うやからですから 羽生君だから出来た事です‼️
ISU must be trembling cause their long history of underscoring and favoring skaters will be over if Yuzu's thesis is put to work in reality. Judges and their really biased ruling will not be necessary anymore :)
lET THIS BE THEIR EYE OPENE. tHANK YOU, yuzu!!!
im so thankful that gymnastic has started this earlier. so we have an example from another competitive sports branch. otherwise, imagine the comfortable excuses ISU will make "oh it's impossible, there's no way it could be legitimate" etc. i cant wait for the sport to become more fair and truthful for all
Yes it's gutsy for gymnastics to adopt AI judging. Technically they have much more varieties of elements and moves in the sport, as compared to figure skating. If even they can do it, figure skating will have no excuse..
これは有り難き幸せです。自らのスケートの研究だけでなく、後世のフィギュアスケートの未来を展望される、もう言葉が出ないです。🇯🇵素晴らしい❗
Yuzuru is a genius.
来た！羽生君の卒論英語紹介。日本で記事が出た途端世界中で日本語がわからないのに見たり (^_^;)翻訳を待ってたらしい。それだけ羽生君の存在はとんでもなく大きい。ISUはどれだけ影響されるかわかってんのかな。
正しい判断をして頂き､本当に有りがたいと思います❗
😂😂😂
The Italians were right, the judgets were wrong. When I see this I understand why they use electronics in Tennis to call a ball out cause judges make mistakes, computers do not. So why dont we use that in soccer as well. Have 5 video judges that can see things in slow motion that the referee can all on when he is in doubt or to get confirmation. Technoligy can make sports more fair - and fairness is what we want!
There's a video referee in rugby too 😊
あなたも知ってたのですね。最近の採点をみると、選手によっては、見逃し加点からのgoeの爆盛りや高得点が目立ちますよね。それで、不審に思ったというコメントもしばしばありました。
素晴らしいです。
素人でも分かり易くてとても興味深く楽しく拝見しました。
それと同時に、羽生選手のフィギュアスケート界の発展を願う愛を感じました。
フィギュアスケートが、健全なスポーツ競技として存続する為には公平なジャッジは必須だと思います。
ISUがフィギュアスケート界の発展を考えるのであれば、
一日も早くAIを取り入れて少しでもジャッジの改善をされる事を願います。
とても幸せで、この論文を理解するのに役立ちます。 はい羽生選手の論文はとても面白いです。 それを読むときに多くのことを学び、このビデオを編集するときに本当に刺激を受けました。 できれば共有してください。 ありがとうございました 💓
I just watched this video and understood what Yuzu's thesis is about...Honestly, this tool would be really helpful to ensure fair judging and help the judges with the technical scores. It is no secret that the sport is dying and not many take it seriously (including the ISU). But by implementing something like this, I feel that more people will take this seriously. At this point, the only reason I feel that the ISU don't implement something like is because I think the big federations and their skaters would suffer if they implement a fair judging system where they (big Fed skaters) would not enjoy certain bonuses.
I hope this thesis will come true one day
OMG! This thesis of Yuzu will be helpful to the Judges, Choreographers, Sports Enthusiasts and Skaters as well well.
Exactly! The entire experiment was really well thought out and what a great observation he had!!
Judges can lose their job.🤔
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No, they are cheaper.🤣
@@fskuniversemaker In the video they said it was a voluntary job... So they should go away!!! Leave this lovely sports they ruining for years!!!!
And I agree, they are cheap 🙄
@@imaextreme So say he, but usually it isn't so. It gives little money. It is ALMOST voluntary. Maybe by World Championship it's different.🤷♂️
And of course, it gives rank and title.
@@fskuniversemaker oooh okay, got you pal.
このような動画を待っていました。
本当にありがとうございます。フィギュアスケートを愛しているからこそ、羽生くんはこのような論文を書いたのだと思います。どうかこの動画が多く拡散されること願っています。
できれば共有してください。 羽生選手はファンが多いだけのスケーターではないことを、もっと多くの人に理解してもらいたいです。 また、スポーツと世界にもっと貢献する方法について考え続けている知的な人でもあります.. 💓
@@FigureSkatingFan
Facebookやツィッターその他で共有・拡散しましょう。
Hanyu's legacy.
Yuzu is so smart, and we know it is so difficult to complete this thesis. It's incredible! Because wearing the device and collecting data are done by him alone. He really loves figure skating.
"With the introduction of Hawkeye, Video Assistant Refereeing, Goal line technology etc, there have already been huge changes." As seen in Rugby, Cricket, Tennis etc. It's has really improved and made line calls much more fair. So when will ISU introduce this technology to support a sport where the human eye really cannot catch the actual movements in the moment?
Yes ISU, you can do better!!
If they tell you that it is impossible: remind them that it is impossible for them NOT FOR YOU. YOUR INTELLIGENCE IS INFINITE. We are very proud of YOU HANYU.
Nice job to summarize Hanyu's thesis and make people who don't understand FS and Japanese to understand easily. Hanyu is the pioneer of Figure skating who really want to improve this sport by starting with a fair competing environment which is ISU failed to provide for years. Hanyu is also a very brave man who doesn't afraid to speak out the truth that the judging system is full of flaws and bias. The figure skating is losing audience because it's lack of integrity and fairness for years and ISU treat the audience and athletes like fools. Some athletes keep getting high scores from judges with wrong technique which is so unfair to athletes who work so hard to execute correct tech. If ISU can't find a way to enforce their judges to follow the rules they made by themselves, they really should use motion capture, images analysis, and computer tech to solve the problems. These kind of tech is already applied to so many sports field, there is no excuse ISU can't try to do it.
BTW, ISU should take his advice seriously and stop underscoring him. Belittling Hanyu won't diminish his greatness. He is true GOAT who have great skating skills and intelligent science brain with strong passion. ISU and the world should treasure this kind of genius. It's hard to find another skater like him.
Comment, read 😊
Thank you for praising YUZURU's treatise.
The treatise he wrote is the reality and future outlook for the figure skating world he envisions.
Nowadays, jumping fraud is common.
If you look at Pro Turkey, even beginners can understand the badness of scoring.
I don't want to compare YUZURU and Nathan Chen ... 😓
YUZU's performance has reached a considerable level both technically and artistically.
Nathan is gradually getting better in terms of art, but ...
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As far as Nathan's protocol is concerned, GOE beyond the acting content is exploding.
I don't think it will improve even if I re-educate Jatch.
YUZURU got all the titles.
To that end, he has made considerable efforts.
He has overcome many difficulties such as illness and collision at Link.
Fans have seen such a situation.
Recently, he has been unable to win.
He also has some acting failures in his own acting ...
It is even said that cheating by Jatch is also a factor.
Now he is challenging an unknown territory.
4A (quad accelerator) where no one is flying
I hurt my body and practice quad his accelerator for 2 hours a day.
Quad Successful accelerator is his ultimate goal.
He is not interested in the Beijing Olympics.
He has already won the gold medal at the Olympics, so he doesn't seem to want any more.
Many of us, Japanese fans, wish him the success of his quad his accelerator.
After that, I just hope that he will contribute to the development of figure skating after his retirement.
The thesis he proposed is just the first step 👍
He has a wise idea.
He has a personality that allows him to share pain with others.
The sum of the prize money, commercial income, bounty (country), event income, etc. that he won in figure skating is a considerable amount.
He has donated 200 million yen (Japanese yen) so far.
Ten years ago, there was a big earthquake in Japan. (Tsunami also happened.)
Many people were killed and the situation was devastating.
The house was washed away, the family died, and injured one after another.
He was also one of the victims.
His house was also washed away by Tsunami.
His home was gone and his family of four spent several days evacuating to a nearby physical education center.
He said, "I may not be able to continue skating ..."
It seems that he thought.
However, with the efforts of his mother and the skating teacher, I was able to continue with the support of those around me.
The gold medal at the Sochi Olympics was really due to his own efforts and the support of those around him.
So he began to give back with that gratitude.
He always donates to disaster areas that occur almost every year in Japan.
He may only see his acting for a short while, but he has no choice but to cheer him on.
Reading this in July, 2022 .... by now he is free. He will never be underscored by ISU again.
Some federations will push back if they try to introduce this. Coaches have been getting away with teaching skaters how to cheat jumps for years now. They keep doing it because no-one ever calls them out on it (judges I mean). Skaters and fans can all see what's going on, but the judging remains "blinkered" to it. They know exactly who cheats jumps and who doesn't, but they give them high scores anyway. It's time this was stopped! It's honestly ridiculous 🙄
羽生さんのスケート愛と努力がたくさんの人に伝わり、報われますように
凄～い
素人でもわかりやすい
しかも日本でなく海外からの特集だよね。
これは羽生君だからできたんだよね！
現役選手が行動起こす事は勇気がいる事
卒業論文が無駄にならずこれからの未来の発展の為に使われる事願います🙏頑張って羽生君応援してます！
WHAT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT! YUZU is not only an accomplished Athlete but also a far more pro for figure skating. He is a real G O A T ! a so proud of you, YUZURU HANYU!!!
とても大変な作業だったでしょう。この様に動画として上げて下さったことに心から感謝します。
彼が願っているのはフィギュアスケートがスポーツとしてより前に進むことだと思っています。
技やポイントがルールと比較して明確にスピーディーに解析される、それはスポーツを観るものとしてわかり易くとてもエキサイティングです。音楽性や美しさは人の目によって判断され加点されるようにすれば、競技の進化と芸術性は両立できると信じています。
いつの日か、ドラマやスキャンダルではなく、スポーツの真の美しさのためにフィギュアスケートを見ている人がいることを心から願っています。 💕
AI採点が話題になると、「芸術面はＡＩでは採点できない」と頭ごなしに言う方が多いのですが、実はそうでもありません。
音楽でも、美空ひばりの声をＡＩで再現する実験があったように、ＡＩによる分析も進んでいます。
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もそも、「ＡＩで感情をどう判断するのか？」という人がいますが、音楽の専門家が、例えばコンクールなどで審査員を務める際の着眼点は、技術面はもちろんのことですが、表現面の審査も、感情や審査員の主観というあいまいな基準で判断しているわけでは必ずしもありません。
音楽性や芸術性の判断の基準の根底にあるのは、その音楽の様式にふさわしいかどうか。その上で個性や醸し出す雰囲気などがプラスアルファの要素として存在する。
そして、この様式分析は、ビッグデータを集めれば、ＡＩでもある程度までは判断できるのです。
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但し、実際には音楽の様式分析に必要なビッグデータの量は膨大すぎるから、音楽の専門的な勉強をして耳の肥えた人が、コンクールの審査員をしたり、音楽批評を書いたりしている。
その際の判断基準は、アナログな形ではあっても、主観による感情の判断である以前に、様式分析なのです。
This presentation of Hanyū's thesis is a brilliant work of both video making and translating! You've set a whole new standard of excellence that dwarfs the floating hearts and love lyrics that sometimes dominate Yuzuru videos! Whether or not the ISU chooses to use or even acknowledge their "black sheep's" enormous gift to them and the world of sport/skaters remains to be seen. What cannot be diminished is Yuzuru's contribution in moving the sport forward: THIS they won't be able to give a patronizing nod of approval for Merely having a "large fan base". Your hard work contributes to his effort by making it available to so many who do not know Japanese. Thank you so very very much, arigato gozaimasu!🙏 from Canada
💓💓💓Glad that these little language skills we have could be used to spread the great work of Hanyu. Do share it if you can so this great thesis could reach out to more people and continue to inspire more people to work hard. Really hope ISU take this proposal seriously and for figure skating to continue develop as a fair sport..
Diane gor... You're so right.
And, wish more Fanyus could see this video.
If you love something so much, you will only see the good things and want to help to improve it for the better! Hanyu has so much passion. I really admire such people who want to improve things not for themselves, but for the future generation!
That’s why he’s the GOAT really! The one and only Yuzuru Hanyu. He is THE skater!
the problem is that the ISU likes the status quo...they actively do not want to apply the technology because then it would be much more difficult for them to manipulate the results. They will do everything they can to postpone it. Big feds, mainly RusFed and USFed want to keep their monopoly as long as they can...AI would level the field, make the sport more objective and therefore more interesting for the outsiders...ISU doesn´t care about this, they care about their egos, power and money from backdoor deals with broadcasting companies and among each other. They will eventually have to adapt to the 21st century, but it won´t be so soon.
I read a great quote about Hanyu recently: Legacy means planting the seeds of the garden you will never get to see for yourself.
That is what he does...he is not the only one with ideas about the AI, but I am glad that he is involving himself in it, because of his status, thare are always people and media interested...
Yes we are the ones interested. If more and more fans are interested, ISU has no choice but to adapt.. (We hope..)
@@FigureSkatingFan -for sure,true support from me!!
Exactly! "They will do everything they can to postpone it." because people (federations) do not want skaters' fraudulent jumps to be noticed, although they are known to the public...
I hope more people get interested in that and 'isu' has no choice but to adapt it...
Not in Lakernik era for sure. He will do everything to keep the status quo. But anything can happen in the future. Look at Didier. After it feels like eternity finally people pushed him down from the French Fed
Yeah.. Hope ISU will consider it.. this would be extraordinarily great and objective, but on their part it would be extremely detrimental. I hope this thesis can be followed up by them. Unlike the case of Kim Yuna who was only underestimated in the end.
Damn, hanyu's really smart too
I felt the same too 😅 why is he so good in everything? I mean..everyone got only 24 hours a day and yet he...
@@noniizainal3491 and yet he mastered the sport of his life... Such an inspiration 🥺❤
Actually, figure skating is more than sport / art. Most people didn't realise that the top skaters have to be good at math too (At least in the post - IJS era). They are continuously calculate the points of each jumps in the competition if they miss one jump due to mistakes etc, remember the rules, and think about what jumps to put next. Hanyu is so great at that! That's why he remains top skaters for so long despite having some health condition, such as asthma and constant injuries etc.. That's also the reason why we respect him so much..
@@FigureSkatingFan I couldn't agree more. In fact, Yuzu changes his program layout immediately when he make a mistake. In the pyeongchang Olympics FS, he missed the 4T half loop 3S, then he change his next jump from 3A 2T to 3A half Lo 3S. He also did it in 4CC 2017 Fs and 2015 WTT FS.
Каждый раз, когда я думаю, что не смогу восхищаться им ещё больше…каждый раз, когда я думаю, что начинаю разбираться в нюансах ФК…появляетесь вы со своим превосходным контентом. Спасибо большое за ваши труды! Юдзуру опередил своё время на многие годы вперёд. Гений👏🏻 очень надеюсь, что когда-нибудь он сломает систему
Юдзуру, ты молодец, такую диссертацию написал, проделал огромную работу!!!!! Это может быть поможет судьям оценивать выступления фигуристов по четким правилам. Я восхищаюсь тобой, Юдзуру, желаю тебе высоких побед, здоровья крепкого и Олимпийского золота. Украина.
Another reason to feel proud about someone who is absolutely dedicaded in bettering not just his own self but also giving others a chance to better themselves 😍😊☺️ may Yuzuru Hanyu have a blessed life agead of him💐💐💐
Yuzuru Hanyu is a genious out of this world. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I'm in love with his skate, and then fell in love again with his sportsmanship, now I found myself keep falling deeper for his brain 🧠❤️😌 he deserves all the pooh bears in the world
Hanyu's jump is almost sample
l hope the introduction of the motion
capture system will result in more accurate scoring.Yuzuru fighting!!
Yuzu hanyu has so much devotion in figure skating that he thinks a way how he could contribute to the improvement of figure skating..😍
Omg this is giving me real life ice princess vibes! Love Yuzuru 💕
the pcs and the technical elements are all without fair judge standards. This system can at least help solve the technical problems.
Dreams without goals remain dreams. Goals without plans remain goals. YUZU IS AMAZING
Ю.Ханю наш самый совершенный фигурист,лучше любого робота!
Just read through the english translation and i have to say, props to you guys! the thesis was very easy to read without any confusing words or needlessly complicated words, and i could understand all the points and descriptions of the experiment with ease.
but wow, this thesis is basically yuzuru looking at the judges and saying "well since you cant do your job well enough, let me find a solution that may help." i mean, thats crazy. imagine a tennis star writing an entire paper on researching another way to enhance the referee's ability to regulate a match. that is such a diss LOL
anyways, yuzuru's paper was written very well. he included all of the necessary points of his experiment, including the background of the experiment, the objective, what he intends to prove/find through this paper and experiment, the specifics of the equipment used for the experiment, all the precautions and preparations he and his team did before, during, and after the experiment, clear pictures and illustrations of the data collected, very technically accurate but easy to understand explanations of figure skating jumps and spins (he wrote his thesis for review by a panel of lecturers, who may not know anything about figure skating). he explained his rationale behind each action he undertook, and also expressed his thoughts where they were needed.
not only did he gather the data and performed the experiment, he also recommended places where the technology could be used, in other words, he did some work thinking of how the data collected could be applied in the field of figure skating.
i also didnt know that there were figure skating choreographers who purposely choreographed jumps such that the judges could not see if they took off from the correct edge (see page 17 of google document, 2nd paragraph) thats such a dirty way of doing the sport, but i suppose part of the problem lies with the judges for being unable to judge jumps accurately enough to prevent it from happening
Appreciate your comment a lot!! Yes Hanyu’s thesis was an eye opener to us the fans. It was an absolute pleasure translating his thesis and made this video for him and for his fans to understand what kind of genius brain and sincere mind he has. Our respect for him shot up 10 levels after reading his thesis lol 😂 he’s more than just THE skater to us, but THE man we look up to. Wish Hanyu be involved in some kinds of AI research after his skating career. He’s too precious for the world. Do share it to more people if you can. I think it’s not just for figure skating but to everyone who’s interested in learning something new, this will be helpful. Thank you 😊 ~
Well said! Thanks 🙏
Change can be very difficult to implement but on a positive note, more and more people are acknowledging that positive change is needed to keep figure skating as a sport alive. As a fan, I feel proud that Yuzu isn’t afraid to be in the forefront of advocating fair and objective judging. I look forward to the day that figure skating as a sport would get rid of all the politics and corruption.
The video is great guys! Looking forward to the next one!
💓💓💓Glad these little language skills we have could be used to spread the great work of Hanyu. Do share it if you can so this great thesis could reach out to more people and continue to inspire more people to work hard. Really hope ISU take Hanyu's thesis seriously and for figure skating to continue develop as a fair sport..
Change is inevitable.
日本では羽生さんの研究論文の目的が一部週刊誌のゴシップネタになり残念に思っていました。この動画にもある様に、羽生さんはこの論文で選手やジャッジを批判しているのでは無く、煩雑なジャッジシステムの軽減と、正しい技術の“見える化”で選手を育成するサポートになればという目的で研究をしたと思います。現役の選手がこの様な論文を発表する事で誤解される恐れより、フィギュアスケートがよりファンに愛される競技になる事を願っての提言だと思うので、歪曲されないようにと願っています。
はい、とても悲しいので、人々は論文の一部に焦点を合わせているので、羽生はレビューを批判するだけに焦点を当てています。 それはまったく真実ではありません。 そこには本当に興味深く真面目な研究がたくさんあります。 ですから、このビデオを人々に理解してもらいたいと思います。 それを共有して、羽生の論文の真の意味をより多くの人々に理解してもらいたいと思います。
@@FigureSkatingFan 本当に有りがたいです、感謝します❗
@@FigureSkatingFan この動画は論文の要点を視覚的に見られるので、とても素晴らしいです。私は論文を読んで提案している内容は、むしろジャッジや選手を守る事に繋がると感じました。この動画では平昌オリンピックの映像を検証して問題提起する番組を取り上げていますが、平昌後に同類の動画がいくつかUPされました。当然、稚拙なジャンプは番組内でかなり批判されていましたが、これは選手だけの問題でしょうか？正確なジャッジシステムは、選手の正しい技術習得や指導者のミスリード抑制、判定するジャッジの負担軽減にとっても良い事ではありませんか？このシステムの確立の為にISU の協力は不可欠ですが、どう向きあってくれるでしょうか？
ISU､考えている時間など有りません、速急に英断を下す時でしょう❗フィギュアの闇と言われるのは、ジャッジの採点関係が多いのです、ファンには不信感が増しています、このまま不正が罷り通る様では、やがてファンは離れて行く事でしょう‼️
@@pocorit7102
国際スケート連盟が不正なプレローテーションに対して減点する方針を打ち出したのは最近のこと。
一昔前は、この不正なプレローテーションが当たり前で、だからそういう時代遅れの技術を未だに教えているコーチや、そういうコーチに育てられて未だに不正なプレローテーションをしている選手がいるというのが実情のようです。
羽生選手は、国際スケート連盟の定めた新しいルールに沿って客観的、科学的に判断する方法を提示したまでのこと。
採用しない手はありません。
I think it is the only way to make things fair
感謝しかありません (*^o^)／＼(^-^*) AＩを使用しての公平なジャッジで選手が努力を踏みにじられる事がない試合を心から期待します✨
I think that this thesis is something that can be revolutionary for figure skating. A lot of fans (including me) have been quite upset about the unfair scoring these past few years and Yuzuru's thesis might help change that. I doubt that ISU would use it because they seem to never like what Yuzu does but what do we know. Also, Yuzuru making his thesis on figure skating just proves how much he loves the sport in general. It's hard to find a person who's so good at figure skating and able to love the sport as well. Also, thank you for this video :D
We just hope to contribute to the voice of wanting a change to ISU. Hopefully more and more people start voicing out rationally and the people in ISU will have no choice but to listen..
I wonder if had they been scoring what he deserved he would be so far ahead of the other skaters there would be no way anyone could compete against him? Just a thought, there is no real reason I can think of that they don't give him what he deserves unless he is just so much better than the others?
@@annestep4868 Yuzuru is someone who has been a prominent person in the sport and for some reason, ISU still wants to get rid of him. He still managed to break world records while being underscored, and that just shows how amazing he is. ISU have been preparing for Yuzu's retirement for a while, and for the past years, they've been trying to push the narrative towards other skaters like shoma/nathan. ISU assumed that if Yuzu wouldn't win anymore, fans would eventually leave and like other skaters (which isn't the case after beijing, he actually gained more fans)
@@ktlee24 that is what I don't understand. He sells tickets. I am sure some people come to see other skaters but the support is for Yuzuru. You would think they would want him to stay in the sport. Nathan isn't coming back, at least I doubt it. Shoma is just too short. I don't want to sound unkind in saying that but it detracts from his skating, at least for me. I think it is funny that they call him something knees, don't remember the term. I think he looks so soft-kneed because the distance from his knee to the ice is so short. It is deceiving. I just find it hard to like anyone else. A lot of people feel that way too. I think when he retires from competition many people will stop watching them. I have watched Yuzu in some of the FOI videos. I wish he could put some of those moves in a program for competing, he is amazing. He does things we have never seen him do in competitions. I have to watch him every night before bed, it calms me down and makes me happy. I just hope to see him in some competitions in the next few years.
@@annestep4868 I agree with all your points made. Yuzuru is undoubtedly the most popular figure skater right now, and he's been for a while. I think ISU is trying to make someone else win like Nathan, so people would root for him more (which rly didn't happen). We are so lucky that Yuzu loves this sport, or else he and millions of fans would already be gone.
My respect towards Yuzuru-san goes higher. You can really tell that his love for skating is sincere. Hoping the ISU will consider his solution to unfair judging system.
You go Hanyu. Proud of you.
With his thesis Yuzuru tries to make a revolution in figure skating...wish he'll be succesful...it's just the right time to change some things.
Amazing thesis
Oh my god this is genius!
Yuzuru, a gift to figure skating, humanity, the world!
Thanks for this great video and translation of the published thesis summary.
💓💓💓Glad these little language skills we have could be used to spread the great work of Hanyu. Do share it if you can so this great thesis could reach out to more people and continue to inspire more people to work hard. Really hope ISU take Hanyu's thesis seriously and for figure skating to continue develop as a fair sport..
I appreciate your making this video. His thesis is noble and easy to understand. He is genius and having clear thinking. He has researched with his heart and soul, worrying about the future of his beloved figure skating. I hope the ISU don't ignore it and see it as a golden opportunity to clear notorious name and change the current suspicious judging system to the right ones. Figure skating fans over the world have lost faith in them and are getting fed up with them. The ISU, shift gears to reform, please.
'Better late than never' Thank you again for making this video!
Yuzuru started the study of human body mechanics and kinetics even before he joined Waseda, did you know that? He already knew the relationships of jumps, heights, speed, and physics, etc, thanks to the input from Gislan coach. His notes were full of numbers within names of jumps, and he always carried the note wherever he went. Yuzuru has a brain to think of jumps and spins and steps in terms of numbers and kinetics. He demonstrated this "thinking" when he performed the Origin at the 2018 R Cup free skating, after the ankle ligament injury. He was indeed "calculating numbers of jumps and scores".
Such an impressive human, in all aspects.
He even recalculates his program layout on the spot while skating. Massive brain.
なんてすごい人。
なんと！論文を書く以前から、
自分のジャンプについて研究を進めていたのですね。
その成果は、確実に演技にも現れて
います。
彼は優れたアスリートであり、
氷上の芸術家であり、
勤勉で優秀です。
そして王子様のように美しい容姿❤。
優しい気配り。
この世の奇跡のような人です。
神様ありがとう。
彼に健康と末永い幸福を。🙏☘️😌
@@mztee8107 True role model.
@@subi4231 Does google translate do a better job when you use it from English to Japanese? From Japanese to English it is almost ridiculous. 😂
Спасибо за ролик! Очень много разногласий было по поводу прыжков,,,да так сложно,это физика полета.Юдзуру гений фигурного катания...
Да, мы очень ценим Ханю за то, что он так старается улучшить фигурное катание, его навыки и будущее спорта. Мы надеемся, что все больше и больше людей поймут этот прекрасный вид спорта. Пожалуйста, поделитесь им, если сможете. Спасибо 💓💓
"So I hope JUDGES who are watching this don't take it personally"
Yuzuru's paper was logical and easy to understand, but your commentary was even easier to understand with the addition of video. And I always sympathize with and appreciate the content that makes suggestions without feeling emotional. Thank you as always.
So glad that our little language skills could be used to help push the sport and share the amazing work of these great skaters. Do share it if you can. Thanks a million 💓💓
Yuzuru has a brain and a passion for the figure skating, both of which are what distinguishes Yuzuru from other skaters. And his thesis, as you correctly translated and interpreted, shows his natural ability to analyze every element of both technical and artistic body movements on the ice. Coach Brian did help Yuzuru enhance this special ability by leading his "image training".. As you show the comment by Takeshi Honda, he continued the image training on the ground while he couldn't stand on the ice, until 2 or 3 weeks before the 2018 Olympic game. He is not only a figure skating champion, but also he is really and truthfully a history maker, or a history re-maker of the figure skating.
Смотрю на Юдзуру и вспоминаю А. П. Чехова:"В человеке должно быть все прекрасно и душа, и тело". Какой же он умничка- делится знаниями, никаких комплексов, никакой звездности. Не просто ТАЛАНТ, а просто СОВЕРШЕНСТВО. Желаю победы на ОИ!
Thank you all so much for your videos
💓💓💓 Glad to hear it. Do share it if you can so this great thesis could reach out to more people and continue to inspire more people to work hard 😀
THANK YOU!! You are great, not only translating but also "validating" Yuzuru's thesis and his interpretation of "what they figure skating is supposed to be".... I know that Yuzuru has been frustrated, not just about some unfairness, but rather the lack of in-depth knowledge of the judges about those technical yet kinetic elements.
令人佩服的不只是這個論文，而是世上有著已經站在頂端還是超級努力的人
Yuzuru is such an amazing figure skater, he is not only talented but also a genius! He is one of the serious and fair athletes and some judging system should learn from him.. Yes.. The fairness. Some peeps out there already brag abt judges are the one who rule it and we need to rely and believe it all for what they scored. But tbh they could make an error judgement from the limited human ability to see all details with that speeeeeeeed. Not talking about bias....and the way they volunteer to judge tho. Jeez...
Вот это да!!!!
Юдзуру - умница!! Я восхищена!! Молодец!!
Все до конца посмотрела я. И думать не могла об этом. Спасибо вам за видео.
Пожалуйста. Надеюсь, все больше и больше людей будут интересоваться фигурным катанием, и этот вид спорта может развиваться лучше под влиянием Ханю и исследовательской работы. 💓💓
Гений и фанат своего дела ❤🔥
легендарный фигурист с красивыми движениями.непревзойденный.
Мега-Талант,Супер Человек!!!
И как он это делает?!... 🤔👀😲👍👏👌🙏🤗
Ю.Ханю желаю теперь покорить научный Олимп,защитить все мыслимые и немыслимые высоты!
Using AI in figure skating is just a matter of time, and the longer ISU resists it, the more it attracts attention to this and loses its face COMPLETELY under the onslaught of Yuzuru's works. And I really want to see the results of the recounted performances of previous years by AI - it'll turn out that the winner was Yuzuru, but not the one who was overscored by ISU:)
Yes. Recount system should be there too... How we can only rely on those judges? Its so unfair to athletes, incase they made an error judgement...or even worse... Their biases.
YES. We must support recount system. It’s just justice.
I really wanna slap this video to ISU rn
and ISU will do anything in their power to prevent fair judging as much as possible 🤭🤡
I hope his treatise will reach as many people as possible.
He loves figure skating more than anyone . That's why he wrote the treatise .This is a great treatise with an eye on the future of figure skating.
He's not for himself, but for the future of young skaters and figure skating.
I hope the day when the technology he researched can be realized in the future will come soon.
Yuzuru is such an intelligent person. He has really & sincerely thought about how skating can improve for both skaters & judges. Kudos, Yuzuru.
Beauty AND brains. Respect, much respect, Yuzuru. You never cease to amaze me
Also it's hard to get into Waseda if you don't have a genius brain like Yuzuru Hanyu. The second hardest university to get into in Japan, moreover if you are international students means you are lucky.
Actually, it's not the second hardest university to get into in Japan. It's the hardest depending on how you look at it (I know some students from Tokyo Uni will come attack me for this statement but..) Really it's a constant debate between students from University of Tokyo vs Waseda on who's the best lol~ As for international students, just be honest, it's probably easier to get into Waseda than if u r Japanese, coz they want to increase their international students ratio.. But again, u'll need to learn Japanese to get in. That's for sure tough for many :P
Молодец парень!
Ето и есть настоящий профессионализм!
Юдзуру гениален оказывается не только в спорте, но еще и в науке!!!Спасибо было очень интересно!!!
Серьезно что ли? Чему Ханю восемь лет проучился в этом университете? Как лепить датчики на пятки во время прыжков? Очень "полезное" для науки исследование. Любая домохозяйка со Спортс может написать такой диплом за пару дней.
@@9afina Напиши что нибудь новое, мозгов не хватает?
@@user-yn8dv4or4p розовый пион - это твоя кликуха на лесбийском сайте?
@@9afina Точно, мозгов не хватает, несмотря на университетское образование!
@@user-yn8dv4or4p я тебе сейчас скомандую, а ты гавкнешь в ответ. Ну-ка, голос, Жучка.
جمال + موهبه+ذكاء يعني معلش في احسن من كذا!!!🥺💗
حرفياً 😭💕!.
@@star-hx ارحبيي عرب😭😭
يضحك نادر القى فانز ليوزورو اعذريني كأني احلم او شي😭
@@remstan8683
حتى انا،قليلين 😭😭😭😭
@@star-hx مره😭🤝
I am back to see Yuzuru's thesis and compare it with his attempt to land 4A. Brian Orser has noticed something in Yuzuru's 4A jump, recognizing that Yuzuru changed a technique of the entry, angle of the entry, the timing of the rotation of ax with the on-the-air time (seconds). Those very tiny adjustments are, as I believe, the result of his study and research he did for this essay. And his determination to land a successful 4A is, as I and others believe, a declaration of challenge to the ISU. As Massimiliano pointed out many times, the ISU judges have been reluctant to admit their "deficiency" to recognize the difference in the technicality and the ability to make a seamless combination of jumps, which was what Yuzuru wanted to show by his performance. Clearly his determination is a message to the ISU, urging them to open eyes and ears, as well as to hear Yuzuru's message.