2020 Orbea Occam Review: The Most Trail Bike Trail Bike | Pinkbike Field Test
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- "Lively fast" more than "stupid fast," we think the new Occam is one of the best trail bikes for most riders and most places. But being a jack of all trades, master of none can be a blessing and a curse...
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I checked out the $2600 version and it's actually spec'ed quite nicely.
Yeah i hot the new one from 2021 colored in salmon .It came to my house this morning and i was already shredding with this thing of a monster its so fucking crazy for 2.300 dollars.The bomberr z2 fork is in build wise the same fork as the fox 34 rhythm it just dont says fox on it im super happy with it
@@gravelpit4201 the Z2 uses the same chassis but has better internals. I’ve ridden bikes with a 34 performance and a Z2 back to back and I’d rather have the Z2. It’s amazing.
Finally 'tis the season to be jolly, the field test is back!
I gpt the 2021 Orbea Occam last year and its held very nicely! Love the bike!
good job pink bike! very nice footage of bike and trail. A nice overview-review, saying it is "more of a sporty feel" gives it a good summary. This bike looks great.
Since I getting one next month I think is the best trail bike ever.......
This bike is so brutal in every aspect. Love it
My dream bike. Need to wait some years to wear my jeffsy pro race out...
Few questions regarding the single sided bottle cage setup. Are you able to run a full size water bottle (like a 23-26 oz purist bottle) or do you have a use a smaller size “stubby” bottle? Do you have to use a side exit bottle cage?Does the shocks remote oil reservoir get in the way at all? I am looking at buying a lower end build kit of this bike, which doesn’t have the remote reservoir, so it would appear that would allow more room for a slightly bigger bottle. Thanks in advance, loved the review! 👍🏼
Thats another sick bike
Very curious how this compares to the Tallboy and Hightower...
Nice review guys! What is the color of the bike in MyO? Thx
My friend loves his Orbea and just upgraded to wider wheels and fatter tires.
what bottle cage can you fit on the occam???
i've tried many and there too wide for the asimetric frame.
I’m trynna get a new bike soon, 2022 orbea looks fresh
Like the review and the bike, guys waht brand are those awesome pants
How does the Occam M10 Ltd compare to the S-Works Stumpjumper 29er?
The accessing the water from the left side is a non issue. Handness isn't considered in driving. Some countries have the gear lever on the right and some on the left. You get use to it.
Orbea yeahhh!!!
How about the Occam vs. Offering?? Thoughts?
What about the rallon ? 2020
😍 in love
What size is your Occam in? Because I hesitate between M and L I am 1m70 but I am only 15 years old so I can still grow.
I wish i can have bike like you guys have
So as far as the Occam goes, do y'all recommend carbon fiber or aluminum? I've been looking at buying the m20 or H20 but I'm still kinda scared to get a carbon bike
I've never understood why bikes over a grand even come with seats. Like pedals, I always go straight to what works for me. Unless a bike comes with my WTB saddle in my width I'm guaranteed to buy one
Maybe do the same for dh bikes?
DO IT, PINKBIKE!
The obvious comparison for me is the Stumpjumper. How does it stack up?
Really similar. Slightly more efficient and sporty, but without all that SWAT stuff we like.
So many nice bikes!!!
how does orbea avoid the patents surrounding the concentric axles? I know drama happened between trek and dave weagle so how did orbea get away from all the legal snags?
Andrew N. Patents are expiring. And there is court precedent saying you can
Apparently the patents are for the placement of the pivots rather than the concentric axle itself, which anyone can use
Why is the intro so good
Iv been trying to find the song for it cant find it, you know it?
@@mariomartins6960 Dark Daze by Mikey Geiger. He’s got some sweet albums.
How is it that a modern top of the line carbon trail bike weight so much? I have a 2012 giant reign 0 and it's half the price and came in at 28.5lbs without pedals.
Because everyone wants it to ride like a downhill bike so they beef it up. If u want a light bike get a carbon xc bike.
@@jmanswat2457 I guess I didn't state what I was meaning very well. Basically was just saying that bikes got lighter for awhile and now they have been going up in weight. You are right that they are being made stronger for bombing the downhills even better. I just thought it was odd that we started seeing the weight of bikes moving back up since many of the older top of the line bikes were aluminum and the new ones are pretty much all carbon.
The Occam is Orbea’s trail bike why would it ride like an enduro? They have the Rallon for that...
It’s being compared against the other trail bikes at Field Test though, some of which descend more capably and have other drawbacks. It’s not good or bad or whatever, it’s just information. Kaz and Levy really liked this bike for a lot of people, hopefully this video makes people’s decisions easier.
why can't you compare it to Enduro? In my book we should be able to compare anything to anything. Racing comes down to 95% rider anyways, so that means you can Enduro on anything. Determining what bike to buy is all about settling. About where on the volume knob you want to settle. With 1 being extreme XC, and 10 being extreme DH.
@@ErichVonCartmann You can compare it to an XC or to DH bike too... it just doesn't make much sense. In 'my book' if a trail bike is being a great trail bike is not a con as in this review but a pro that's all...
@@tamasvarga67 , as Alexander the Great once said, "I agree with you 100% Tamas Varga... if my name was Tamas Varga".
Lucky for me my name is NOT Tamas Varga and I follow different rules. There are Pro and Cons to everything, and they are just letting you know of the Pros can Cons. Don't take it so seriously, and you have to figure out if the Con is really a Con for you.
Erich von Cartmann Again, when a bike is great for the stuff it was designed for how is it a con? It’s a complete joke...
You guys look soo loose on this bike. Not much grip out there? Or the bike it’s just too nimble ?
Why sould you not include metric measurements..
Exactly. I lost interest in the video after I heard pounds...
Lost interest when he said inches for the wheels
Cause they are American.
Mariusz Marshak Cause metric is more modern? Modernity says there are infinite genders. No longer is there male and female. Do you agree? As this is the more modern view?
irockuroll60 shut up asshole
8k A bike guy can dream amazing machine :]
Yo, but the aluminum bikes are a steal. They're specced very well
The wheels on the bike retail for over $2000.. it's the way it's specked.. u can get a carbon orbea occam with Shimano slx or sram eagle for $4000 @ace space
Next year get that audio in that room fixed!
What does the alloy version weigh?
14,9 kg (Occam H20 SLX)
The not not-so-good behavior on the descents may be due to the low weight of the bike - it may not feel planted because it doesn't have the Heft to keep the wheels on the ground?
full understand what your saying there ...then i look at the terrain these dudes are creaming down and the fully understand they maybe slightly out touch what punters and customers really want and NEED...i have 2 Rallons and a carbon occum ... the occum i can ride all day and not feel totally screwed the Ralons are shapeshifters and want to demolish time and space with you on board ...pick the horse you need for the day :)
OneManMob if two pounds is the difference in “heft” you need then you should eat a burger.
@@Andrew.Drennan if you really think so, then you are missing an important point - it is important WHERE the 'heft' is located to how a bike will feel and how it will perform, but rather than trying to explain it to you myself, I rather refer you to this video: czcams.com/video/myFJTO8mdtw/video.html
Maybe it's all those spacers they kept changing in the suspension? For their weight n height I have no idea why they'd need to add any extras
@@tonygriffiths936 If you could only have either an Occam or the Rallon, which would you recommend? Could the Rallon be a one bike quiver killer? I am trying to decide between the two...
so how do you run a bash guard?
A bottom bracket mounted adapter. I've heard they can spin if you bash em hard enough, but if it saves your chainring, I'd say it's worth it.
you don't
is it better for dh than the norco optic?
Sounds like they rode the optic more aggressively. If you're really riding dh, you could probably make a better choice than those two
Neither of them is a DH bike. If you prioritize comfort and straight up impact absorption, the Occam is better on the descents; it has 15mm more rear travel and 10mm more up front. With a slightly longer reach and more compact chainstays, the Optic is a bit more of an attacking bike-it inspires you to ride the knife edge of precision on descents. It really depends on the terrain you ride.
@@pinkbike so it is not a competitor to the megatower sb150 when it comes to dh performance isnt it?
Is everyone okay with the prices that bikes are reaching now? Of course, we don’t have to pay it, or perhaps go for a lower spec bike, but it just seems like the prices are going through the roof and don’t seem to be stopping. I mean, £1k+ for a fork... A FORK!!
In general yes, but at least we have brands like Bird, Propain, Radon, and a few others with the best bikes for 3-3,5k on the market (with the two first you can configure a bike for 3-3,5k € with lyrics(Bird)/fox 36 (Propain) and top of the line rear suspension to, and a decent pair of wheels(and brakes), Radon you can't customize, but they have literally the absolute best price bikes on the planet, they just released a bike for 2,5k€ that would be 4k(even 5k) if it where from another brand like specialized, scott etc etc.
If you dont go to the boutique companies you can get a really sick Bike for a good price. This summer I just bought a new Propain Spindrift for 3500€. Fox Factory Suspension, MT5 brakes, GX drivetrain, dropperpost. I love that bike and even more I loved the pricetag.
Agreed but the riding is better than ever and there is trickle down. Next years Trek Fuel ex 9.5 comes with a deore spec and carbon frame for $3500. Pretty good I say. And their aluminum line 30 wheels aren't that much heavier than the carbons.
Is it just me or the voice lacks treble? Mixing problems perhaps?
So many brands out today. I havent paid the industry much attention since 2005 but looks like its grown a lot. Many companies have also disappeared since then. Since when were 26” wheel not big enough?
Pretty obvious
Since guys riding 29ers drop guys on 26ers.
Can you do the same for an enduro bike pls
This 2020 Test covers XC (down country is their name for it) Trail, AM and Enduro bikes, just gotta wait for them to make / upload the videos.
Who else is watching all of these waiting for the failed frame...
It´s the Pole one that breaks...
What?
only Poleshit was broke
@@klmemamp5001 and Rocky mountain
UHHHHHH. I drink with my left hand. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Crime! How dare you waste a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
alcohol is for losers
When will people start reviewing realistically priced builds.. (bikes that the average family person can afford)
Last year with the field test they had a separate segment with cheaper bikes, and they're doing the same this year. It should come out after everything else
I don’t think people would like to watch reviews of Walmart or Target bikes, just my take.
@@marit614 I have a family and don't have a Walmart bike, just the basic model of a top end bike..
Im borderline poverty lvl since I lost my 6 figure job 2 years ago and have a wife and 2 kids... Just bout a 7k orbea... It is doable... Just gotta save
I think companies send the top spec model out for review usually. Because for most of these bikes there is some more standard option between $2000 and $3500 but obviously the companies want to make the best impression. I think the reviewers should just say "nope we only review bikes below $xy" or maybe they should choose the spec themselves. But then they'd not get the bike for free I guess.
So 28lbs is light now? 🤔
Yeah
What's aluminum...... Its aluminium
e adevarat coaie?
I don't fuck with 29ers.
Hmm that made that bike sound kinda meh 😕
It's a trail bike, right? I don't know what they were expecting, but it isn't going to rip descents like an enduro bike, because that's not what it was designed to do. Having ridden one, I can tell you that it climbs MUCH better than any of the 160mm enduro bikes, and it pedals very well. Toward the end, they said, "I think it is best suited for longer rides where you may want some additional travel." There you go....that's what it does VERY well, is ride TRAIL where you will encounter a variety of terrain. My experience was that it does everything well. I think if you put a 160mm fork on it, it would make it even a little more composed on the descents, and I think it would still climb really well. I thought it descended fine, but I'm used to riding 160mm bikes, so I wasn't expecting it to be that composed. I had FUN riding it, and that's the most important thing to me.
And i thought my marlin 5 2022 was cool 😒
Zoom in and show me the details
This...
Gotta say even the base model Aluminum version of this bike is gorgeous. Looks like a carbon frame at first glance.
Such an unrealistic review.
How about instead:
2,000$ for a bike,
3,000$ for a car so you can ride from trail to trail with it,
2,000$ for bike accessories and
still 1,000$ left for whatever you want.
Madmartigan or you by a cool bike and a nice car and then you don’t go around saying everything is expensive
Telling us how we should spend OUR money. That is very cute.
Decent 450 dirtbike for that money,
@@Jabba1625 , $8000.00 may buy a decent MX bike, but it can't even buy you a Formula-1 Steering Wheel!
@@ErichVonCartmann I know, just being silly, I think F1 steering wheel is like $30k plus or more
Dropping, what appears to be a full beer ON CAMERA is not a good look for the mtb community. At least no animals were harmed during the making of the videos?! Hey Pinkbike, care to comment on such distasteful behavior?
What makes you think they didn't pick the can up?
Christopher McGlaughlin *whoosh*
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Who cares about trail bikes let’s see enduro
I care.
Enduro bikes are so capable now, that people are stunned at how well that category pedals. They're simply so capable, that other than the most gnarly of DH tracks, they can handle anything. Consequently, people buy them thinking they have a bike that will do everything. I agree to some extent, but a lot of people NEVER use the full capability of those bikes.
Trail bikes have gotten FAR more sophisticated as well, and with updated geometry like the Occam with a 65* HTA, it's going to handle most of what the vast majority of riders will throw at it. AND...it's going to pedal significantly better for longer rides. If anyone tries to tell me there's not much difference, I challenge them to go ride 25 miles on a bike like the Orbea Oiz, and then go ride it on the Rallon....and get back to me. You're going to feel much more fresh at the end of that ride on the Oiz. So....if pedaling trail is what most riders do, with the occasional small jump, drop, or rock garden thrown in...that Occam is a GREAT choice, because of the versatility. I feel like they sort of said that...but it didn't come across well To me, that review more or less said exactly what you want a trail bike to do....climb well, and descend well. Not the best at either. If it climbs well, but descends poorly....XC bike. If it descends well, but doesn't climb well...Enduro bike. I think the trail category is exactly where this bike fits, and with the 140-150 travel, and aggressive geo, it allows it to get a little rowdy within reason.
@@willbros1499 i got you dawg
@@willbros1499 I live in a pretty flat region. So I encounter mostly singletracks with some small jumps and 4ft. drops.
Would you say that the Occam is too much for me ? I fear that 140mm travel front and rear would totally slow my ride's feeling, as in, not playful enough...
@@pierrecarriere6845 .... Oh man...that's a tough question to answer! I think it would come down to two main points. 1. Do you plan to travel to places where you may want to hit bigger features, and want a little more capable bike? Or, are you content with renting on those occasions? 2. Would you rather have a little more plush ride over the features you do have, and give up some pedal efficiency....or is pedal efficiency and nimbleness paramount, and you're OK with a ride that is a little closer to that of a hard tail?
Not long ago...I demo'd the Orbea OIZ TR model. That's the slightly beefed up 120mm travel XC bike. I was STUNNED by that bike's capability, and how well it climbed. I would PR every longer section on the first ride out with it, without question. It's a rocket. That frame is not designed to do really big things, but it will easily handle the things you're describing. It becomes a more capable descender if you put a step up in tires, and possibly even added a little beefier wheelset, although I haven't heard of a lot of issues with the stock wheels.
Between those two....the differences are almost precisely as I explained above. Those are just two examples of bikes I have ridden. Another one that probably lands smack dab in the middle between those two...is the Ibis Ripley. Amazing bike, a little more travel than the OIZ, and something that would absolutely handle what you're talking about using it for.
Occam...closer to an enduro bike than XC.
RIpley....closer to an XC bike than an enduro bike.
OIZ TR...XC bike with significantly less aggressive geometry than those, but can still do more than a pure 100mm XC bike.
There's a plethora of bikes out there, and those are just some I've done extensive riding on to give you an idea of the differences and what you will give up, or gain.
The MOST overrused statement right now in bike reviews is..."It pedals well." That is HORRIBLY vague, and I can tell you that if you went to take a long trail ride on my Ripmo, and then took the same ride a few days later on an Orbea Oiz or even a Ripley, you would feel MUCH fresher at the end of the ride, and feel the difference in your heart rate and output. For reference, the Occam pedals better than my Ripmo, but not by a big margin. Not enough for me to have bought that bike instead of the RIpmo, and getting the little extra capability.
Maybe that helps???