Was Fable II as good as I remember? - An imperfect clone of its predecessor
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Timestamps:
00:00- Intro
02:00- Prologue/Tutorial
07:27- Starting out/general mechanics
19:17- Recruiting the Hero of Strength
22:33- Locating and tracking the Hero of Will
28:00- Demon Doors, Gargoyles and Side Quests
38:05- Into the Spire
42:51- 10 years later
45:40- To Bloodstone/last side quests
56:14- Recruiting the Hero of Skill
01:02:17- Endgame
01:09:51- Knothole Island DLC
01:14:39- See the Future DLC
01:22:59- DLC summary
01:25:29- Final thoughts
01:35:08- Outro
Thanks for watching! - Hry
When I was a kid, my Mum used to watch me play Zelda. She took it up and she'd wake me up in the middle of the night on weekends to ask me to help her figure out where to go.
After a few years she found out about Fable.
She demolished Fable. 😂 All three games, was awesome at them. Made a fortune in each one, got different endings, etc.
I'd come home from school and I'd hear the familiar sounds coming from my room, the heater on and I'd have to encourage her to get off so I could play my own games. 😂
I don't like Fable too much, but it gave me a lot of time with my mum just chilling out and playing games. It means a lot to me for that.
Such a pure story
That sounds very nice. 😊
Big W
I love that I grew up playing the tomb raider games on the PS1 with my mum. She'd hand the controller to me for jumping, acrobatic parts and combat. While she would do all the exploring and puzzles. Cherished memories
I love this. Hope you and your mom are well man 🖤
My fondest memory of this game was cheesing the renting system by skipping the console's time forward 100 years with maxed out rent, accumulating millions of gold and max negative karma, then going back and making all my properties free before skipping another 100 years and gaining back max positive karma. This game was great.
My favorite memory of this game was cheesing the xp system
You don't even need to skip time forward with free rent to get max good karma. You can just make a few small donations to get it all back
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
1000%
I never even thought to do that. I just bought everything and rented it out as soon as I could. The console time change is a great idea.
Hearing Kreia say “you are now famous enough to use the “kiss my ass” expression” was hilarious
Different actress, but they do sound the same to me also.
@@thomasjoychild4962I thought that they were the same actress . They sound just alike , also the fable 1 hero is the ancestor of the fable 2 hero while the fable 2 hero is the father/mother of the fable 3 hero .
@@Fire-kid20 Yeah, Theresa's your many-greats aunt in the later games. She's voiced by Zoë Wanamaker, whereas Kreia is Sara Kestelman.
It is kinda cool how kreia and Teresa share a few similarities
Stephen Fry as Reaver had me absolutely DYING!
"My lover, Penelope, set my house on fire while I was sleeping...with Andrew, as I recall. A delightful young man, Andrew. Though such a heavy sleeper."
Reaver was just such an unapologetic douchebag (with a seriously dark backstory) and Fry pulled him off flawlessly.
Isn't he brilliant? I love him 😂
Oh my God. I just put that together that reaver is Stephen Fry. Playing Fable2 I couldn't ever put my finger on who voiced reaver but I knew it was someone awesome lol.
@@nomadjensen8276 I hope, HOPE Reaver gets brought back for Fable IV.
@@joshuaolsen6509He’s a guy the game tells you to hate but you just can’t hate him no matter how hard you try.
The guy is as charming as he is hilarious.
Yes, some would say he doesn’t even have to act to be an insufferable twat 😂
I replayed fable 2 recently and one of the things that struck me the most was how long you we're in the spire. I remembered it as 4 years, when i got back and Theresa said "10 years" my jaw dropped and i was like "thats way too absurd"
if you think that's absurd try replaying assassins creed 2 and realizing that Ezio starts the game at 17 and ends it at age 40!
@@losigar7658 revenge takes a long time i guess lol
@@losigar7658 yeah, but it's broken up in a longer progression. Ezio doesn't just start 17, spend some time in jail, come out at 40
Eh it’s a fantasy game. In the first fable you age thirty years in a matter of days if you’re leveling up a lot.
@@honkhonk5000 that didn't happen in the original, only in anniversary. In the original my guy never got old untill after bargate prison
I'm thinking that since you're this far and the fact that the series is being rebooted, might as well finish it out. Plus, gives us more content from you, and that's never a bad thing
Fable 3 has an amazing aesthetic as well, it's actually an awesome game in some ways but it's definitely the worst Fable game imo
I really would like him destroy the economy in the next game
@@KoGFathom Fable 2 was the perfect mix of everything. Fable 3 made all the mechanics really stupid and although they may of been onto something with being a ruler and making decisions it really wasnt that well executed.
@@bennycostello2472 it’s weird fable 3 is objectively the worst but I still had more fun with it than fable 2
Oh god its gonna be fun to go through that again. Atleast it wont be me playing it
As a child, my family was really big into Oblivion on the 360
My mom, while shopping for Christmas present, saw Fable 2, made the fantasy correlation between them, and got it for us
A few months later, I got to Bloodstone, and my mom heard a bunch of shouting at the TV for someone to leave me alone
She came in and asked who was bothering me
And out of the mouth of her, at the time, 8 year old child came the words
"Cindy the Whore"
So, it's true then... the prophecy has been fulfilled.
Hahaha those Esrb ratings are for noobs
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
"This game needs two antagonists that shift from being good or evil" Amazingly he is describing the plot of Fable 3
Honestly this was my favourite Fable for the reason of the monotonous jobs and buying and renting becoming a corrupt landlord lol. I dunno things were different in 2008 so that was groundbreaking, like a 3rd person sims game.
Think it still is
For me, 2 was what I was expecting 1 to be. I spent way too much time building my real estate empire after getting my seed money blacksmithing. If only this was on PC
I always skipped the blacksmithing and other jobs - I would buy weapons at the blacksmith and then sell them to the travelling merchants in Fairfax gardens. By the time Theresa gets to the tower for that meeting you would have enough money to buy the blacksmith
Fable is a strange trilogy of games in the way that they progressively took more and more features out of the game and made the gameplay itself more shallow. Fable 3 is probably definitely the worst. But you should still do it.
3 was just a bare bones version of 2.... hopefully the new entry is great
Fable 2 still had some new and welcome features, like town economies, corruption/purity alignments, many different types of ranged weapons, etc...
Then Fable 3 either removed them or severely dumbed them down.
sounds like elder scrolls
This feels like a series that needs a reboot
@@MaakaSakuranbo 😡
I like how the old part of Bowerstone can be rich or decrepit depending on your deeds as a child, whether you supported the evil characters or the lawful ones.
This was the first game I played that made me realise what kind of games I like. I have played both fable 2 and 3 at least 25 times each. I will always love these games.
I replayed both of them recently and now that I've been gaming for 10 years I see that they're a bit lacking but I still love them
@MACizera
What the fuck man, people are now not allowed to play for the first time and LIKE old things?
@MACizera
Your argument is garbage for one simple reason, many and i mean MANY of these old games did several things in a billion times better than modern games, just go see any comparison between the first Deus Ex and Human Revolution.
By the way, for a "gamer" you sure does not know anything, my name is a reference to a game, fool.
If you haven't had a chance to play the original yet, i would recommend it.
Check out Molyneux's Black and White 2 if you can. It's very difficult to acquire nowadays though, but I loved it.
@@sigma6656 apparently it's free on abandonware. Should I not play the first one?
@@vatatheoanonymous3705 Yo I'm very late but no. First one was nothing compared to 2
From what I remember, the exp lost in The Spire comes back when you kill the overseer so it's more a flavor thing.
I never really saw it as a good/evil dichotomy either. I always played violent psychopaths in this game and the idea that I'd just do as I was told was an anathema to me, regardless of consequence. It's not like EXP is hard to come by anyway given how much they give you.
Let me rewrite the spire for yall the way I see it.
The hero upon being reminded that the spire exists, decides to attack it.
They swim there in like 10 minutes, and rise out of the water. Those within say stupid things like "never should have come here". But they are all cut down by the hero's rusty butter knife. The hero finds morgan freeman the wizard, and the wizard breaks his own slave collar. The hero then cuts down everyone else in the spire and throws Luscian off the top of it. He swims home with morgan freeman on his back.
The End.
The best thing to do is just level up to max or go to the spire just after you level up so the exp you lose is minimal
Correct
One thing I remember loving about Fable II was how Old town Bowerstone, and Oakfield, changed depending on your choices. It felt like they tried to follow through on their promises from the first game, of an "evolving world", but it still felt a little flat.
So did westcliff depending if you invested in berturm or not
For the era, I think they did okay. Even back then gaming was nowhere near capable of the feats we have seen in the last 5 ish years or so.
I'm hoping in the next Fable that is in development we'll get more of this evolving world element
@@jeremyrosal6049 yea. its a shame the OG lionhead aren't making the game. They were so ambitious. obviously people were always upset because they would overpromise but i dont think they didn't follow through because they were lazy or just wanted a quick pay check. I really miss that studio.
Fable 3 did that better
The reason why the dialog is paused. At the beginning, during that final tutorial mission, is because there's a character upstairs in that House. And the dialog doesn't start until the character walks outside on the balcony. Some. Character gets stuck behind the door and the dialog doesn't begin. So you're sitting there waiting for the character to get into the position so it can start its dialog.
I liked Fable 2. It was very shallow, but it was carried by it's charm. And
the combat was fun and satisfying, in part 3 they took everything that was fun feeling out of the combat. Also really liked part 2's wraiths and remember doing the smithing mini game for hours each new savegame when I first entered Bowerstone market
I remember liking so many details from Fable 2 when it came out- the 1600/1700's aesthetic and guns in a fantasy setting were a unique change from the typical medieval fantasy fare, and seeing how familiar locations in Albion had evolved over time was a treat. But your video just reminded me of how frustratingly short the game was. The "final boss battle" with Lucien was even more disappointing than shown here- if you play a second time and don't immediately shoot Lucien once you regain control to hear his monologue, Reaver just one-shots him instead.
That happened to me on my first time. :D I hated Reaver for that. I wanted to see Lucien squirm, and Reaver just stole my kill. What a terrible character, who burdens the player more than anyone else. :D
Reaver stealing the final kill is the best part in the game
@@MaxiemumKarnage - I can definitely see why it would be incredibly frustrating, especially to kids as young as I was when I played through it first. But now as an adult, I gotta admit, I at least like that it is thematic to the character and is a cool bit of flavor to the overall story narative. As an adult, I have grown to give more consideration to other elements of the games I play than just the literal game mechanics. I mainly play games with story and choices so that would make sense.
The length would've been fine if the story was jam-packed with plot twists, revelations, character development, etc. But even the main story feels like a massive fetch quest. Get 3 heroes, shoot Lucien, the end. The protagonist is a plank of wood (so was the F1 guy but this is a sequel, it's supposed to be an improvement), Theresa is just spoopy mysterious, Hammer is kind of boring, Garth is alright but doesn't get enough screen time, Reaver is pretty great and Lucien, again, doesn't get enough screen time (he had potential to be a good antagonist).
@@shorewall Reaver definitely is such a better character in 3. All he does is talk about how great of a shot he is while you kill everyone escaping his mansion in Bloodstone. It's so annoying.
Although, I do recognize the year the game was released and that games in general have gotten so much better about that stuff. Like how a character interrupting another character actually is an interruption now and not an awkward pause between the two actors voices playing lol
I love this game. I know it's janky, buggy, and can at times feel like it's insulting your intelligence, but it is just such a comfy experience from start to finish. And sometimes just turning my brain off and laughing at kicking chickens can be just what I need.
Next up "Was Fable 3 as bad as I remember?"
(yes)
fable 2 really caught the feeling of a fairy tale or, forgive me, a fable. it was just such a nice experience.
(It was worse and you're only just mentally blocking how bad it was)
@@MaxiemumKarnage I played through it a couple months ago dude i still love that game
Comfy is the perfect word for it. When you are sick and have to lay in bed and it’s snowy outside and you gotta cup of tea (just for the vibe) and throw on fable 2… greatest thing ever. I rarely play it without just spending 8 hours going from start to finish
@@MaxiemumKarnage i just replayed it too. lots of fun man.
Ya know the one gaming question I've never googled is "are Theresa and Kreia voiced by the same person?" and of course it's a Salt video that answers it.
It’s amazing how similar they sound. Especially when both characters are so much alike. Both Manipulative Blind Old Women who are on your side yet have their own agendas and use everyone (yourself included) to achieve that goal.
They're actually not, IIRC.
On Theresa being missed during the abduction, it was actually implied that she either worked with Lucien or at least manipulated him. In one of his diary extracts, a throw away line says he saw a blind hooded figure. When Hammer asks where is Theresa Lucien simply responds: "You're blind friend? I simply listened"
Sooo... you're idea actually did happen
He outright says she does on top of Hero Hill when he's about to shoot you. This guy just didn't pay attention.
As Jank as this game is there's just a charm around the entire experience. It's one of my favourite games and after countless replays I still find new things
True
This is my exact feeling about oblivion . The jank just adds to the charm of both games
Fable 3 is worth a play. It actually has a different story, its still full of stupid plot holes but its fairly interesting and is worth playing at least once
Fable 3 is my personal favorite. I like the king stuff even though no one wins ever lol
I agree, it's still my least favorite of the trilogy, but it's grown on me alot, when it originally released I hated it for real but after years of having no fable going back it still is fable and it's charm is there it's just such a departure from the series.
Fable has always been a rags to riches story in a way more of a weak to strong but yoy also gain wealth in the time, in fable 3 there is none, you're a good swordsman, a princess or prince and you have fame everyone knows you already.
There isn't really anything to gain, your powers are handed to you with a gauntlet, you can't really customize your character like the first and second.
Isn't that the game where you fart in people's faces to become friends or romance them?
@@designtechdk yeah
Too bad it's sooooo fucking short
Bro barked at Toby so hard made him leave town 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 48:29
The waiting for lines to load is actually the characters walking to where their script says they should be. Sometimes they get stuck on tables and stuff. It's super annoying, but less so when you realize it's supposed to be a touch of reality and not just teleporting characters to the next scripted spot
I never experienced this in my playthroughs.
@@johnw8578 it's not super common. But it does happen most frequently with the example he used in the video. Most of the time the mother is downstairs when the script starts
@@anierikidemonayeah it happened for me literally every time I did that mission
I was hoping you’d continue the Fable series! As someone who’s never played the games your experiences with the first one was really informative, curious to see how the second compares to it
Don't worry on doing fable 3 I'll save the creator and all the viewers time.
Yes, it was as good as I remember.
The first fable will always be my staple for what a good adventure game should be like.
Vulgar !!!
Honestly.. Fable 3 was my favourite.. Although it literally is liiike criminally short. But the features are nice. Like how you can buy houses and change ya appearance are wicked features..
PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE play fable 1 anniversary it's not that expensive on steam sale
Wish they'd port this to PC it isn't perfect but honestly my favorite of the three. Legit all your gripes 100% correct in my opinion. I really don't understand why I vibe with the game so much.
It’s the beginning music in the menus
I know Fable 1 anniversary is on Steam
@@sooners2037 not a great port and needs some tinkering in game files but it is super awesome to play og Fable with built in controller support. I meant Fable 2 specifically since it never got ported to PC.
@@peeepeeepoopooo7541 Dude the music for sure in all three games is awesome. So that could be it you just start vibin and your brain gets clouded xD.
I consider Fable 2 my all-time second favorite game. It is easily the most immersive RPG I've played. Just about everything you do in the game has an effect on either the world or the people around you. From eating an apple, putting on a bandit shirt or just killing someone. It all affects something, whether it be the town economy or people's disposition towards you. No other RPG has made me think deeply about what food my character eats or what clothing they wear.
I really like this kind of long videos, i havent played a lot of the games you talk, but its still interesting hearing what you think, or how you would make it better. Hoping to see Fable 3
Check out patriciantv if you haven't already and like long form analysis videos, he's the goat.
I think there are diary entries in the game for Reaver which shed more light on what happened to Oakvale AND himself. A lot of it is just VERY strongly implied, but never stated outright. Spoilers ahead: It's implied that HE summoned the Shadow Court to strike a bargain with them to gain immortality due to his overwhelming fear of death. It's implied that either something went wrong with the ritual or that the amount of sacrifices needed to bring the Shadow Court to Albion was MUCH higher than he'd anticipated. Either way, it brought disaster to Oakvale. He decided that what he'd done to Oakvale was an irredeemably evil act & so he decided to embrace being evil instead of turning back. Eventually, he became the depraved hedonist the fans know him to be in Fable II & III. Some notes also talk about how he still has nightmares from the disaster, but he dismisses them & insists that he's not the same scared man that he used to be. Interestingly (according to various notes in the Cursed Snowglobe version of Oakvale), the town apparently had a few dark secrets of its own before disaster struck as well. It's implied that Chesty was "born" there when some elementary school kids murdered one of their classmates & put her into a (unbeknownst to them) magic treasure chest. The notes in the town & a series of puzzles leading to "Chesty's Tea Party" all allude to this. The implicitly cursed "Knights Aberrant" from the Terry Cotter's Army Demon Door were also housed in Oakvale for a time according to some notes & indicated by similar looking empty suits of armor. It seems that the Shadow Cult had also set up shop either in or near Oakvale before the disaster which might imply that Reaver was one of them!
Something about this game just mesmerized me as a early teen. Classic and nostalgic. I never played the first, started with 2, played 3 then stopped.
play the 1st!
Did the same thing. As a youngin I'd play this game for hours on end on my own having fun
i did 2 then 3 and start 1 but couldnt get into as much
@Shin Shaman bruh are you high?the second one is short,laggy,and has a really bad story,number one is just the best game to ever be made till this day
@Shin Shaman bruh its literally great you have the most shit taste in games that ive ever heard
4 minutes in and when you called Theresa "Kreia" I about fell out my chair 🤣🤣🤣
I always thought it was just me who noticed the resemblance the first time I played haha
I’d forgotten her name so I didn’t notice that was the wrong name until about a second after he said it.
I love kreia but terresa was fantastic
I honestly loved the job mini games, and the free style swimming 😂 such an amazing game in retrospect and at the time!
I'm grateful you continue to make such in-depth retrospectives on games.
Never before has the phrase "Friday's poker night" chilled me to the bone.
"And then I bark at him like a dog for 2 minutes straight" bro im fucking crying I laughed so hard
Surprised to see a "walk speed matching" mechanic for scenes where you walk with an NPC so early. Seems even weirder to me now more games don't do this.
Assassin's Creed had it, and then newer entries dont. Game developers just make goofy decisions
Witcher 3 had it and then Cyberpunk abandoned it. Amazing, isn't it?
@@cwarvold6109
Assassin's Creed devs completely forgot what good game design is all together
When I saw that Red Dead Redemption had a "match speed" button for long horsey rides with friends, it made me extremely happy.
This, Fallout 3, and Dead Space hold special places in my heart. These games were the ones I co-op played with my uncle before he died. Use to switch off who was playing every hour.
Editing to add that I honestly enjoyed three maybe a little more than one and two. The brother being more of a tragic villain trying to do everything he could to protect his people, and when your character comes in to power, you get pressed to make the same decisions to get your people safe if you can't afford it on your own.
I definitely enjoyed 2 more than 3. That being said, I wish the franchise had kept going.
There’s the journey which was a kinetic game and there is a new fable currently being worked on apparently
Cameron Clark yeah they have a teaser trailer out for it but no gameplay yet :/
@@cameronclark3418 well thats happy news for sure.
Fingers crossed that Playground delivers with this new game. I know I’ll enjoy it, I only hope it’s profitable enough for them to keep making sequels.
They announced a new Fable in E3
The loss of xp in the prison never mattered when you have, you know, ALL THE MONEY YOU COULD EVER NEED TO JUST BUY POTIONS TO REPLACE THAT XP.
That being said, I fucking love this game.
If you have recently upgraded your will/strength/agility it will remove the upgrade when you lose XP, which can be a pain in the ass if you’re trying to use stop time to avoid getting scars~
The whole effort in the beginning with finding a console, game and functioning controllers hahaha.. I felt that. Kudos to you!
I came here from your Skyrim videos, and was super delighted to find Fable videos :D will go through more of your content now, because not only do I love your editing and commentary, but also the usage of music here and there.. and your way of talking just reels me in! Thanks for your hard work
I'm replaying it right now, and honestly... it's better than I remember.
Agreed.
My actual biggest complaint is that you can't savescum choices, which forced them to remove DEATH in case you got trapped in a dungeon with no potions. My other biggest complaint with Fable 2 is that the Cleaver item type became just normal meatcleavers instead of basically one handed mini-buster-swords from 1. The second most annoying part is how your character seemed unable to actually belt their clothes on tight so once you hit a certain tier of muscle you just got FAT.
@Logan Scott That's HGH.
The game punishes the character not the player. I never had an issue with that. I don’t want to delete a character or have to go hours back in progress because I didn’t save. You’re a hero. Maybe a rubbish fighter and an idiot for not sticking up on potions or food, but still a hero.
How u say second most annoying part is the fat blocking a belt yet its your 3rd complaint
@@DIEGhostfish actually believe it or not it’s insulin. HGH makes your jaw and bone structure larger similar to what was seen with Zac Effron but on a lesser level. Insulin abuse causes that nasty ass gut
@@thrillainthemanilla1409 insulin and hgh both contribute to what we see in today's pros actually. You two are both right :)
Pre-Skyrim days, I poured a lot of hours into Fable II. The game wasn’t perfect but it opened my mind to what RPG’s were and could be as someone who primarily played FPS’s. Gonna dive in right now.
The gargoyles were my favorite. Their insults and accent were hilarious. I respect that you didn’t like them but I thought it SO satisfying to finally shoot a gargoyle to smithereens after 10 minutes looking for it, hearing it talk shit the entire time.
The gargoyles talking shit made for a surprisingly strong motivator to find and destroy them. The reward for killing them all can't even be accessed until the end of the postgame when you've probably ran out of things to do so killing them out of personal spite was the true motivator.
I love how your character just Heelys their way through the game.
*Theresa appears*
“Kreia here tells us…”
I CAN’T
Legit had me cracking up because I had never noticed the resemblance until he said that but now I can't unsee it lmao
Would love to hear you talk about Fable 3. There is a lot of material there for you to talk about! Especially the “King” gameplay!
P.S. Zombie Lady Grey is the best Waifu!
Funny enough, Theresa kinda did lead Lucien. She needed him to die to control the Spire for a convoluted plan to protect the world from folks connected to Jack of Blades. Sadly its not at all explained in F2 though
Theresa seems to be the big baddy behind the scenes all along. Manipulating people into place.
@@azoniarnl3362 "The truth is, Little Sparrow, the game was rigged from the start"
@@azoniarnl3362 I agree. I always felt like the 3rd game should've been us taking down Theresa but the devs back then were too obsessed with playing as a monarch.
@talea9593 honestly they could have kept the monarch part of the story and made it where she destroys your reign because of a potential future and puts in a puppet king
The answer is yes. I haven’t watched the video yet but I always go back to play it from time to time. It’s is fun every time.
Definitely do Fable 3. I love hearing your take on games i grew up playing. I find myself nodding along through most of your videos as you say exactly what I thought when I played these games.
Reaver is actually an awesome character when you read his diary pages. His bargain with the Shadow Court is what led to the eventual (re)destruction of Oakvale. A passage reads:
"Then I see him running madly through fields, the realization of just what price he has unwittingly paid hanging like a tragedy mask from his face. He falls to his knees before the town he called home-- now a dark circus of screams. Hers is among them, but he can do nothing to stop it."
He was also responsible for killing pirate convoys and sending their heads in a bag to Captain Dread.
Although they could have announced this in the story instead of you having to find it through his diary.
Honestly, it hits home a much different way when they make him so boastful and prideful in the story beats but the extra snooping reveals just how much deeper it goes for his character.
I think it makes him much more interesting because this was a deal that he would never speak about openly with anyone, and it makes the world seem bigger by having the player go out of their way to find out why Reaver is the way he is. In the public eye he is a roguish man who will sell out an entire family, in private he is a mourning fool who made a terrible deal without reading the fine print
Fable 2 is my favorite fable out there I love every about it. Currently working on 1 right now and can see why people are disappointed with 2. But I enjoy it and hope the next fable is amazing
Fable 2 and 3 are baby’s first RPGs, and that will be their legacy forever.
One of the first games I remember playing in which "choice" was a factor, would go on to love the RPG genre.
Also, still recall getting freaked out when my character started getting fat and veins, and then horns on an evil run.
oh brother muscles look so bad on men and women in this game, you look rather fat than muscly
@@oofsong9496 exactly!! I made my character a DYEL skinny guy because when I gained a lot of muscle I was like wtf I look like a chubby strongman not a lean ripped athletic guy.
Very bad choice it was awful to look at.
I remember being so mad that we couldn't do anything to Reaver, I actually liked Barnum. Plus the fucker will steal your kill if you decide to let Lucian ramble. and that only continued into 3 (with the implication that he killed Garth along the way)- he could have made for a neat bonus boss in 3 if we decided enough is enough.
Peter Mollynerd probably kept him alive as a DMPC
Firaxis confirmed Reaver was lying about killing Garth. They confirmed that he TRIED to kill Garth so I suppose the implication is that Garth beat him and Reaver was embarrassed as a result and started lying about killing him since Garth was in Samarkand and never coming back to say different.
Reaver lied, Garth is still alive as confirmed in the canon book Edge of the World
I'd like to note my siblings and I have given a stupid amount of childhood playing this game and not once had the AI pathing issues you seem to have all the time xD I have extremely fond memories of Fable 2 and thinks it's the best one out of the 3 games by a long way. More weapon choices, combat is more fluid, magic while more simple just feels better, skill system is more in depth, I love everything about the game except movement can feel a little bit like trying to steer a wet bar of soap haha, when you played this from release you didn't really know any better so got used to it quick like. Fable 2 was ahead of it's time I think.
I love this game it holds my best childhood memories and I'm only 16!!
Combat was worse Than 1 imo. Magic all felt the same except for spells like time. Aiming was weird and forced players to stand still. Same with magic. In Fable 1, you’d upgrade lightening into chain lightening.
yes dude and the side quest ACTUALLY meant something i first time playing versus my second time was astronomically different because of those quests like Giles farm and the temple of light or dark and westcliff
@@dingle2987 I used to think the combat was worse in 2 as well, but then I went back and played 1 again and it was painful. the magic was cooler but the ranged combat was literally useless and melee was so janky it was infuriating beyond belief it was hard to hit enemies sometimes with the terrible lock on system and the awkward melee swing aiming. When you knock down an enemy they were immune to being hit again until they got up again. Besides AOE magic, making spells like enflame insanely overpowered.
Salt I just want to say I LOVE your videos, I always look forward to them. Keep at it an finish the series- I am actually replaying fable 3 right now as think that you might have a lot of say about some of the changes to the mechanics for that iteration. I think some of them are actually really interesting to look at as like a moment in games history for better (money room that you can walk around in) or worse (john clease always talking in the pause menu). Anyway, whatever you post next, I’ll be there!! :)
Fable 2 may be a flawed game, but it means so much to me. It was a game I played numerous times growing up and I get so emotional whenever I hear Danny Elfman and Russell Shaw' OST just because it takes me back to the my younger days.
Same here, this was one one of my all time favorites growing up. It is kind of a funny experience feeling so nostalgic while salt rants about how bad it is.
I probably finished it like 70 times, finding new details each time. Almost always playing as a gunslinger lol
Never really thought about how similar the plot is to the first game before this. I haven’t played the game in many years but I remember being quite captivated by the game. I was especially fond of the atmosphere in many of the areas in the game and I’ll never forget the Winter Lodge.
When I first discovered the Winter Lodge, the second I entered the lodge and it changed scenery, I clipped through the floor and was falling infinitely in the empty void... I still don't know how I did that, but I've been wary of the lodge ever since.
Back when I was in high school my older brother would just play Fable 2 days on end, even after finishing the main story he'll just grind Renown of all the npc's in the game. Partly because our family didn't have much disposable income, so we only bought games that had long replay value.
I loved Fable back in a day. Watching this brought up some good memories, but also made me thinking that I wouldn't want to replay them nowdays
Can’t wait for 3, should be a very ranty video
Wow does Fable 3 suck when you take off the rose-tinted goggles and actually break it down compared to Fable 1.
I remembered enjoying it a lot, and it's not a terrible game, but it's just designed poorly by comparison. Staple mechanics are much less enjoyable.
@@lpsoldin3162 Instead of improving mechanics from previous games, 3 seemed hell bent starting from scratch where possible
@@justinnyugen7015 And yet it's much of the same from Fable 2, just worse.
@@lpsoldin3162 I tried to go back and play it. But the npc interaction style drove me nuts.
Fable 2 will easily stay as one of my favourite games of all times, my nostalgia probably blinds me but i replayed all the fables recently and fable 2 was by far my favourite, could replay it so many times again like I did when i was 9 when it first came out.
It does.
I remember having a blast with this game too when I was a kid and I could probably have fun with some parts of it again but I honestly can't see myself sitting through shooting 50 gargoyles or doing 100 "kiss my ass" expressions for some random demon door again.
It’s a toss up between 2 and 3 for me. 3 definitely holds your hand a little in that I feel it’s much easier, but I don’t mind it. I like feeling like some op hero character. I also like the magic mechanic in 3 way way more. Although the sword fighting and shooting is better in fable 2 I feel. It’s more simple, but I think it works better. Sometimes simpler is better. Overall the nostalgia, and story of fable 2 probably edges it out a little for me. My favorite part of 3 was the magic, and siding with reever on all of the king/queen choices and watching the treasury grow 😆. I like how they brought him back but it would have been cool to maybe see Garth or hammer as well.
I remember them so fondly, especially Fable 2. It was my favorite game through a lot of my childhood. I haven't had anything Xbox in years sadly, and I won't bother playing through 1 if I can't play through 2, but they never made a PC or PS port so I'm kind of stuck. 😔
I'm for a Fable 3 review. It's interesting seeing how each entry holds up compared to each other.
i really enjoy watching these videos its resparked my burning passion for most of these games you've reviewed also you got some real good insight on and ideas that could improve upon these... have you ever thought to write for or develop a game?
2 was easily my favorite still to this day. The freedom and goofiness kinda goes well together…kinda like how the 2nd Kingdom hearts felt. It felt like a perfect blend to me. I wish other games or rpgs can rip off certain aspects of Fable and Fable2.
Other than infamous 2, I had never really played a game I enjoyed being evil in AND it shows.
Loved the game, but there is something screwy about how your character walks. It feels like your on skis and you come screeching up on every stop like a drag racer.
@@imchipjames can’t disagree 🤣 i can’t lie, one of the major things that really stuck, is my skin complexion. At the end of the game, I couldn’t even tell what race I was 😂😂
For the most part Fable 2 was probably the closest to achieving the vision the series was built on. An incredible expansion over the original in world design. So vast and open compared to the rigid paths of the first.
In some ways it feels more generic than the smaller but overwhelming charm of the first, but not to such an extent that it detracts from the areas where 2 improves over the first.
Lost Chapters is still my favorite but I won't deny nostalgia plays a major part in that. I honestly can't call the first better in anything beyond narrative and characters.
@@zeroattentiongaming820 dude you hit the nail on the head in every paragraph ❤️ the first Fable I kinda see as the first Pokemon red, blue or yellow. Nostalgia does play a massive part in it all for sure
But…I’m ok with that. Some games I feel are better left in our memories. They came out at the perfect time and captured that sense of wonder that a lot of games simply lack
@@DammnDeejay The one area where I think the first is stronger in concept is the setting. I find the medieval fantasy inspired world and Guild to fit the idea better than 2. 3 as well has a better setting and character role in concept but not in execution imo.
I'd love to see the era of the first game in a world with the scope and scale 2 had. That would be the perfect Fable to me.
The Pokemon comparison is dead on. The first was a really strong proof of concept while the second massively expanded the mechanics to feel fully realized as the vision behind it all.
"Using the last dextrous style of sub-targeting is almost never as good as spam shooting your gun" I couldn't disagree more.
Red dragon Headshots for days my friend
once you had the headshot down, it was op as fuck
i turned off the video here i no longer respect this guys opinion. getting into a fluid motion where you can snap up and headshot everything was ridiculous damage
@@Thee_Gorgonzola the perforator was my gun of choice. Turret rifle is amazing
So very true. And the guns had so much variety. They were the hidden gems in this game.
It’s amazing how you can actually see what you’re doing in the first game. In F2 it’s so dark it’s a good thing your enemies have red outlines.
also the bloom and the motion blur are absolutely horrendous in fable 2..
@@elitereptilian200 it's that xbox 360 arcade era
My first initial reaction seeing the title was "That game was great! No way could it have been bad. I then watched the video and remembered why I didn't replay it after my first play through like I did with Fable 1. Great vid!
Just got home from a horrible day at work and this is just perfect right now, thank you! ❤
Started my shift and going to use this video to get me through the start of it
I hope your day gets better.
@@coletrain411 Thank you! ❤️ It has ☺️
My fiancé is sick and now we’re both stuck in quarantine. I’m right there with you with having a crap day and this video being perfect timing 🙏
Hope everything gets better! Happy Friday, Friend!
This video really makes the case for bringing 2 & 3 to Steam. The first game and the Anniversary edition of 1 is so it’s weird the sequels aren’t. Also I’d like to point out that with the Commandant you get back all EXP you lost doing good after you kill him in the escape sequence.
I would really love to see #2 on Steam 🙏
@@madmorgo6233 Or at the very least on the MS store or Pc Game Pass
I have 3 on steam. I think it was removed, and the only way to get a steam key is thru Amazon.
2 was never released on PC, unfortunately. And yeah, for some reason 3 was removed from Steam. And that was before I did anything with Steam so I missed out.
Games for windows live made Fable 3 on steam such a pain. I bought it on steam, why was an xbox account also necessary?
I don’t know how this video is 3 months old and this is the first time I’ve seen it. I love Salt Factory and thought I’ve seen most of if not all his videos.
Can we talk about how your character your dad in fable 3 named his 1st born son after the guy that killed his sister and shot him outta the medieval equivalent of a skyscraper ? Like wtf
No he didn't. The antagonist in 2 is named Lucien, not Logan
So, important note on the DLC. Back in the day, they had "DLC demos" available in the store, but if you used them, you would probably brick your save.
The demos were massive. The descriptions were vague, so you were led to believe there was a significant amount of content in these demos. There wasn't. They added a couple NPCs and items. Everything else was locked out, apparently the idea was that the demos were the full DLCs, just locked out until you purchased them.
However, if you're not an idiot, as soon as you realized these demos were just bloat, you would uninstall them. Except, once you did, you could no longer load any save you had played since installing them. The game had no way to handle the fact that content was now missing.
Problem was, the two demos together added up to like 800 MB, which wasn't a problem on newer models, but the old models only came with 20 GB HDDs (and effectively, more like 17 GB). So the demos, in effect, only really existed to hold your save hostage.
Teenage me was absolutely malding when I found that out.
I haven't clicked something this fast since I turned of my mother in law's life support
really enjoying all of your content and your thoughtful commentaries. One thing you might not be considering regarding the game's progression are casual players who won't be spending hours grinding the various tasks or buying up all the properties for rent etc. Seeems to me like the progression is designed to let you finish the content without much of a problem without needing to invest heavily into the side activities.
Honestly it's rare I hear someone didn't just skip time on their clock for money.
Love how you sorta called back to Kotor 2. Not only that, but when you were talking about Kreia as a companion, you were playing the music box theme or the Temple of Avo from this series, really cool easter egg
Yeah, you should definitely play three. Being king and picking what happens to certain places and people is an interesting aspect that I bet many are curious to know your opinion on. :)
I remember being evil and having lady grey fall in love with me and as soon as the quest finishes she would just bug out and instantly scream and run away from me on account of my being horrifying evil. She wouldn’t even talk to me haha 😂
Not quite the romance I was hoping for!!
That's usually how my RL romances go
This is one I'm doing for the channel cause there's something exciting about Fable 2. You're correct about 2008 being a big year for games too, it was a special time.
Definitely do Fable 3. I only played it once and all I really remember is that it was really short. I could use a refresher and your perspective is always interesting.
I remember being so excited when this game came out, the original Fable was one of my favourites. Sadly I encountered a bug which didn't let me finish a quest, and I couldn't continue without starting a new game. I never played again.
Yes I’ve been waiting for another Fable!
Edit: please don’t skip F3. That game had a lot of misses, but a lot of charm as well. It’s not my “favorite” but I’ve definitely seen way more incompetent games that missed the mark, or games that had potential and squandered it.
F3 sits oddly in the middle
Just cause nobody else said it: you could have given that Hollowman at at 53:34 the stone back. The problem is you shot him instead of walking up to him.
He'd probably bring up some BS about "well the guy was outlined in red, it's not my fault"
Idk if it's a glitch, but I just replayed Fable 2 last week and when I chose to give the stone back, I still had it in my inventory upon exiting the cave. So I got the best of both worlds.
Text at the top: "Give the gem back or kill the hollow men"
"What?! There was no implication that this would happen!"
I know it’s been months since you made this video, but I’m gonna toss my hat in the ring for doing a video on Fable 3. In terms of mechanics it is pared down compared to the other two games, but it’s gameplay is still fun and it does have a couple new features that the other two games lacked. The story is also original and much different from the other two games, and I think it’s the best story in the trilogy.
To be fair Fable 3 was also my first Fable game, so I’m probably biased, but I’ve also replayed it much more than the other two and it continues to entertain me to this day. I recommend playing it. I think if nothing else you’ll enjoy it’s story
This is really freaky, just finished replaying Fable 2 this week AND I literally rewatched your Fable 1 video yesterday, in other words I couldn't have asked for a better video today :)
Almost as if algorithms are a thing
@@elijahnakumura4375 except salt just finished and uploaded this video today, which is the part OP is saying is freaky.
I believe you learn about Reavers backstory through some books you can find. It tells you how he ended up being called Reaver and turning into what he is.
Fable 2 was actually the one from the series I played the most! Idk why, I was just obsessed with it.
Imo it’s the best but it may be due to nostalgia
Would love to see your take on Fable 3. I also remember it being a little disappointing, BUT there are some good gem moments, and I do think they tried to do something very different w/ the franchise? 🤔
Thanks for your hardwork, these vids are always so nostalgic, but they also highlight some missteps the games took that we may have forgotten. 🤭👍
if Fable 2 had the same co-op system as Fable 3 it would be a near perfect game imo, rly was the best part of 3.
I remember playing this in the army around christmas 2008 and really enjoying it. Got hammered eating Papa Johns and probably sinking 16 hours into it in a weekend.
Literally same dude, but at Camp Lejuene lol
Man, I'm hoping they are using some of your ideas for the next Fable game. Having the protagonist build their team of heroes and turning them to be either good or evil, or maybe even a neutral direction would be amazing. So would multiple antagonists that mirror your choices to be either good or evil and you either ending up as the hero or villain.
I love watching these videos at the gym while cycling and playing on gamepass might watch two in a row if i got the energy or am not embarrassed by the pool of sweat under the cycle.
Man I've been watching your videos for a long while, you always have extremely interesting takes on alternative ideas on how parts of the game should of been on how dlcs should of been. For example, the alternative puzzle take for knothole island or just other story components. You should consider becoming a writer for video game companies somehow. Like I said you just always have cool ideas on some of these things. Idk just a idea, keep making content, love your videos man!
I just love the fact that, after you finish the game, there are still tons of quests to do designed specifically for after you finished, such as the two castles you can buy that both have quests and dungeons only available after buying them, but they cost so much that you can only afford them after the main quest. Or the dig site you keep returning to for excavation before unveiling the hidden crypt. They had some good side quests in there.
Become a real estate mogul/blacksmith and you can have like 100k before you leave bowerstone
@@Harmphrey Well for the average first time player, you know, not a mouthbreather exhaling Cheeto dust doing their fifteenth play through, that isn’t what they do.
@@bimlauyomashitobi421 i loved this game when I was just a 13 year old kid and yeah I loved the post game too!
@@bimlauyomashitobi421 you can enjoy a game without being a mouth breather
@@Harmphrey You can enjoy the game, yes. But in order to spend hours grinding gold doing the same thing over and over in the beginning area to take advantage of the game’s poor economy? Yeah, the average person has a life, no time for that. So, unless you’re, as I do elegantly put it, a mouth breathing, cheater dust exhaling, no lifer who looked up how to abuse the game’s economy before even starting the game, that won’t be most people’s experience on their first play through.
Fable 3's reputation primarily comes from how it helped start the trend of intentionally holding back content to sell as DLC later
Was it? I always thought DLC was an inevitable endpoint once we gave consoles lots of storage space and an internet connection.
DLC has been around since around the early 2000’s, but it was the Xbox and Xbox 360 that really kicked it off - in a stupid way. Fable 2 was a great game, but it got a ton of garbage DLC, most of it revolving around buying more junk from that trader from the start of the game.
Worst thing about fable 2 DLC was that you needed the exact same DLC as someone else to play multiplayer with them. Not just for story expansions, but if I had the free Yule hat and another person didn't, we couldn't play together
I meant to say Fable 3 here ofc
@@kabusohikaru6187 sorry that's stupif but fucking hilarious
initially playing fable 2 for the first time i enjoyed it. but i was very young. looking at it now with a more different and matured mindset. holy hell you hit the nail. and might as well complete fable 3 lol. id love to see you rip that to shreds with the unique weapons and such.
i co op played this game wiht my wife when it came out. we were only together for one year at that point and we just reached our 15 year anniversary
I swear your videos in terms of depth about the games you cover rival TheActMan in quality. Always happy to see a new one in my feed!
There is a much easier xp trick that you can accomplish the moment you unlock your first hero ability (provided you have 2 controllers). As soon as you have atleast 1 skill, join the game with the 2nd controller, it will spawn a 2nd player with generic weapons and the exact same skills as your main character, however any xp that the 2nd character has when it gets removed from the game gets given to the main character, so just spawn, delete skills, despawn, repeat. youll be maxed in a couple of minutes at most.
I remembered playing multiplayer in this game, though I haven't touched this series in many years, but I thought I was crazy that there could be more than one player until reading your comment.
But now that I think on it, fable 3 I played extensively in multiplayer.... for some reason. I didn't have many games back then, I think
Would love to see Fable 3 eventually. Love your content :)
bro, you're hilarious. Love your videos