Should Victor Wembanyama Win DPOY?
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0:00 Intro
1:06 Rudy Gobert or Victor Wembanyama for DPOY?
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Tbh why not help the kid make history 🤷🏽♂️ it’s not like it’s ridiculous if he does win and they use voter fatigue for every other award why not let Rudy try again next year
To quote the young man himself: ,,Let him (Gobert) win it now because after that, it’s no longer his turn.”
That would ruin the integrity of the award, just like Embiid's mvp last year😂
Then the award means nothing like embiids mvp last year no one except embiid and his family is taking that mvp seriously it should have been jokic 100% he should be 4 peating this year
why do you losers even watch competitive anything
@@Gaunerchenwait when did he say that?
Rudy Gobert is the only player I can think of in the 21st century that has never been affected by voting fatigue despite the fact that he’s arguably the greatest example to why voter’s fatigue happens
there's no voter fatigue with dpoy because nobody really cares about dpoy lmao.
Because he’s so clear of the other competition
he really isnt @@dansheshe8039
hope it wasn't Rusty that deleted my original comment here. don't censor me, the fuck lol?
@@wetbehindearswhat did u say
He not winning it this year but next year he’s starting his 6 peat
Bro could genuinely come out and say “not 5,not 6, not 7,” and back it up😭
@@user-rr7bu9fe3kdidn’t matter when Jordan got 6 rings. He got 5 MVPs due to voter fatigue. 🤷🏾♂️
If he doesn't win it this year then the entire thing is a joke like Nikola Jokic losing last year's MVP to Joel Embiid.
@@T1Oraclerudy should clearly win it this year
I think it fits the spurs mo to be the no 1 defensive team more so then ever giving up assets to get an offensive dynamo like Tre young
The spurs spent years losing to Kobe Bryant's getting 40 put up by iverson. Perimeter defense was a big issue for the older spurs from the 98 chip. Build a team of 2 way players
Pop believes You can't control if make shots ... you gotta keep shooting
What you can control is your defensive effort
And when the spurs have built the teams they want
They have been a top defense in the league
Pop hasn't changed to advanced stats
Didn't Rudy come up the defensive schemes they've been using in Minnesota, this year? He's a great defender and damn near a defensive coordinator lol
He made up defensive schemes with the coaches source?
@@noahwelch2931 He did a darkness retreat and came back to work with the assistant coaches on defensive game plans. The team credited Rudy on his schemes.
@@blackmanwithcomputer oh for sure! sorry seemed very blunt and dismissive of your point. yeah rudy has changed and helped a ton. he also was playing injured all of last year so that helped. even though imo coriliss williamson has had one of the greatest impact’s to the team, i think rudy obviously has had a big part to that
To be fair, most great nba defenders could also be coordinators, defense is a lot of iq and knowing where to be and what actions are being ran
Rudy is great etc, but what annoys people is that there's no voter fatigue for him lol prime LeBron was by far the best player in the world and only won 4 MVPs. Rudy is the best defender and he's on pace of winning a very high amount because somehow there's no that bs for him
This award you are talking about is called the "Defensive PLAYER of the Year" award...not the Defensive TEAM of the Year award.
Then we're both in agreement that Gobert should win it right?
Minnesotas defense only works because of Gobert.
@@sixfootseven then why are they still a top 5 defensive team without him lol
@@JakeKadarbecause they are still a good team and it’s not like he sit all the time….why spurs still shit when wemby in and out??
They are good in defense when he is in the game@@elijahhutchings7947
Wemby should absolutely win it this season. He has the single greatest individual impact on the defensive end of the floor of anyone in the league. The only reason he won't win is because he's a rookie which is insane. It's going to piss me off to see Gobert win another award just to poop his pants and get embarrassed in the playoffs.
Have you ever actually looked at the averages other centers are putting up against Wembanyama? I mean if you get past the fact that he averages one block per game more than Chet, do you actually know his defense impact on the people he’s playing against?
Try looking up his head to heads statistics against Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, and other centers.
@@SDesWriterthis nigga seen embiid drop 70 on the spurs and instantly thought creating the narrative that centers cook wemby man i wanna achieve this level of hating.
You don't watch Wolves games if you're saying this.
@@SDesWriterdudes been on a minute restriction most of the year , most of the points don’t be on him in these games yall try to highlight without actually watching, it’ll b on Zach collins , jus like niggas think Embiid dropped 70 on him when it was 16 and he was in foul trouble and still ended up wit 33 and 7
@@SDesWriter the other players on the team avoid the paint when wemby is there
I will die on the hill that individual awards should not be effected by team success. It's an individual award, not a team award. Make the award Defense of the Year instead of Defensive Player of the Year if that's the intention. You're either the best defender or you're not, if you have to point to the rest of the team then the waters are already muddied.
It's been like dis since the dawn of time. New gens are trynna make a stand in 2024😂
The reason team success is important (predominantly to MVP moreso than other individual awards imo) is because if you’re really good and it doesn’t translate to team success then you’re actually not that valuable. Cos your being good hasn’t mattered.
The other argument is if your so good/valuable then your very existence should result in team success. The stupid example I’ve seen given is - could you win baseball MVP if your team is total ass but you’ve personally hit 100 HRs and 1,000 RBIs? But the whole point is that it’s basically totally impossible for your team to be bad if you’ve hit 100 homers and 1,000 RBIs. You’re so valuable that your team kinda HAS to be a contender
DPoY is more murky than MVP on the team success bit for sure though
For the MVP conversation yall's interpretation of value is so blatantly wrong. You're choosing to define value in an isolated environment which fits whatever narrative you have, but in fact that's not what value is. Value is the level of replaceability and by some extension the level of impact during your presence as well as your absence.
The argument for 'best player on a top 3 team' can be easily dismantled if u have some level of thinking capacity. I'm going to try to use an analogy to explain what the mainstream doing with the MVP race and how its complete and utter logical bullshit.
Imagine two scenarios of people in two villages:
In the first village the soil is suited for agriculture, the rain is very frequent. The average skill in farming, of the people in the 1st village is, lets say 6.5/10 and person 'A' has a skill of 8/10. The people undergo their farming process and the yield is 8.5/10. Person 'A' and the team are equally responsible for such an high yield. Thus person 'A' is carrying 50% of the load to produce 100% yield.
In the second village the soil is not that good, the rain is very rare and the people in the village are malnourished (metaphor for being injured). On top of all these factors the average skill in farming, of the people are, lets say 3.2/10 and person 'B' has a skill of 9.5/10. The people of the 2nd village undergo their farming process and the yield is 5.5/10. Person 'B' is responsible for 90% the yield.
In these two analogies if person 'A' was not present in the 1st village then the yield of the village be considerably less, but not so much that the entire village would starve. The presence of person A does increase the yield , OfCourse. But that's also because everyone else in the village is capable and not utterly so incompetent. This leads to everyone being able to carry their own load and such an environment being formed that person A can produce results to the best of his abilities. On the other hand, if person 'B' was not present in the 2nd village the entire village would definitely starve to death. Person 'B' alone is the reason the 2nd village is surviving. In his presence he is carrying the weight of below average people and their yield production is also increased and when he is absent the entire village would probably die of starvation. In the context of person B, their true value is actually diminished because he is surrounded by below average people and thus has to cater his farming style for the survival of the village.
The fact that person B is more valuable than person A is more transparent than crystal clear water.
Just replace the villages with NBA teams, the yield amount by the team standings, the % of the responsibility for the yield by presence on and off the court metric. Person 'B' is absolutely more valuable than person 'A' in any real context but people like you and other 'air heads' choose to use selective narrative to compare the value of food for people stuck in a cave and value of gold for people not in the cave. It's an argument which falls apart when given any real thought and is comprised and reeking of confirmation bias.
Youre metaphor also reeks of this.
" could you win baseball MVP if your team is total ass but you’ve personally hit 100 HRs and 1,000 RBIs? But the whole point is that it’s basically totally impossible for your team to be bad if you’ve hit 100 homers and 1,000 RBIs. You’re so valuable that your team kinda HAS to be a contender"
> If you're facing against teams where 5 players are capable of hitting 25 HRs, and 250 RBIs and other 10 players are capable of hitting 5 HRs and 50 RBIs. The opposition not only has far better capacity but they also have depth which gives them the ideal environment where there top 5 players can produce their best results. The opposition would end up with around 170ish HRs and 1700ish RBIs. You're asking a single player, who not only has to play every game to the maximum amount of time but also carry 15 other people who can hit 2 HRs, and 20 RBIs (team total for the good player would be 130 HRs and 1300 RBIs). In no realistic world is it possible for one player alone to win against a good team let alone compete with great teams. Its a team sport for a reason, you're entire reasoning for not crowning the best player the award he deserves is based on the demand that a single player be outplay entire teams while playing a team sport. Idk about you but that's like pointing to a toddlers scribbles and saying its the most picture perfect straight line. Go ahead and get yourselves some braincells instead of spending your time watching youtube.
@@jamespratt7526
@@itshurtt395 YOU DO KNOW THEY HATED THE 3 POINT LINE, 3 SECONDS AND HANDCHECKING. THEY WERENT ALWAYS IN THE LEAGUE AND WAS HATED BY OLD 1950-60 FANS WHO SEEN WILT TAKE IT UP ON 4 PLAYERS BY HIMSELF FOR 20 POSSESIONS STRAIGHT
@@inheritance1097 Farming is absolutely not an analogy for basketball. Basketball involves a lot of skills which affects everyone else's play on court, some of which can even elevate others' value. If a player is averaging 50 but the team finishes dead last, is he that valuable? Is he putting up his numbers at the cost of others?. Your analogy consists basically in telling "if A person is better at the single skill of farming than B person, than he is more valuable". If that translated to basketball, it would be "If a player is averaging 30, and the other is averaging 20, the player who's averaging 30 is better". Context matters.
This is why I don't like the DPOY award. People are going to ignore the advanced metrics and dismiss the ridiculous blocks/steals numbers that Wemby puts up in favor of Gobert's team just being better overall. Now, go look up Tim Duncan's defensive numbers. Duncan is undeniably a better defender than Gobert and he had like 16 straight seasons of being a top seed with 50+ wins in a row and he NEVER won the DPOY. So what gives?
This
Plenty of advanced metric support Rudy over Wemby. On/off is not a very reliable stat especially when you have to consider Rudy is being replaced by players with high defensive rating when he is off the court. Wemby is not.
@@basedoz5745 Like which ones specifically?
@@radiologicphysicist1083 differential at the rim Rudy leads by almost 4% points, which would be the difference between Wemby and an average rim defender, the defensive win shares goes to Rudy, the same gap for Wemby would have someone closer to the 50th perctile, Rudy has a 106 defensive rating, Wemby has a 110.9, Rudy's team has the largest gap in defensive rating to the second place team since 1996.
@@basedoz5745 There’s going to be a pattern here, see if you can spot it…..
1st stat - Are you referring to Opponent FG%? If so then yeah, but it’s also a strong function of team Opponent FG%.
2nd stat - Again, dependent on team performance - specifically wins.
3rd stat - This is, again, a team based metric. In fact - If you take Gobert off of the court the Timberwolves are still a top five defensive team during those stretches……which happens to feed back into the other two stats you mentioned.
There really isn’t an argument you can make that puts Gobert over Wemby as an individual defender. Literally every stat that gets quoted in favor of Gobert is based heavily on team performance context.
“They” really don’t like giving these awards to Rookies. Just like how they didn’t let Luka play in the All-Star game his rookie season. They also have a bias against non- American born players.
A lot of NBA players are against rookies winning awards. Some make the argument that “they should get their stripes before winning anything”.
@roscoeorginal that is genuinely the dumbest thing I've ever heard, the award isn't based on experience,it's based on preformace
They’re both French lmao.
nice seeing Nick in these. love his involvement in the pod too.
Samee
It's quick to make a case for Wemby just by looking at his blocks. And he doesn't block more just because people are trying really hard not to shoot over him.
Wemby on off defensive impact matches the eye test the most. Dudes walk by his teammates most of the time and he saves the possession. Often multiple times because his teammates also give up offensive rebounds. The sorriest teammates of any all time rookie is enough reason to give him DPOY in my opinion. The stats are so good, he realistically could never top them the better his team gets on defense.
They might as well change the Award name to Defensive Players of the Year since its not an individual award. And its fully dependent on how well your team is playing.
It's been like dis since the dawn of time. 2024 new gens trynna make it a stand😂
@@itshurtt395Yeah looks like they have had the name wrong from the dawn of time too..😅
@@itshurtt395 I'll never understand why Duncan never won DPOY when he never had a losing season and the only time his team ever had a season where they didn't win 50+ games was a lockout season haha
@@stannistargaryenyou lot never had a problem with it till Wemby. Your just bias towards him. He’ll probably win like 6 of them so stop complaining
@@Sunking210he’s a top 10 defender all time. Always been weird he never got it. I’d recommend a CZcams series to you where a guy give the DPOY to the players he thought deserved it
its a travesty that the two best playoff defenders over the past few years will probably never win a dpoy
Could be worse, the best defender ever doesn't have a dpoy cus voters used to only stat watch most of his prime
@@Sqeaky6969 Tim Duncan?
Ad and Bam? If so then yeah they’ve both been done really dirty
Who are the two best playoff defenders? Bam and AD? Genuinely curious
@@Alex-vy1wmthose were the same 2 names I thought of lol
Why Wemby is your 2024 DPOY:
- Leads the league in blocks (by far)
- Leads the league in stocks (by far) - #2 in steals league-wise in February…
- Spurs defense is elite (#5) with him on the floor. Could have been higher had he played center full season…
- Spurs defense is DEAD LAST when he’s off the floor. Not only dead last but also historically bad defensively. Competing for the “worst defensive team ever” title when he’s off the court.
- Only player with 10 blocks in a game this season.
- Only player with back to back 5steals 5blocks games since MJ.
- And the number of shots the opposing team does not take because he’s there is probably his biggest argument that does not show up in the stat sheet.
- Opposing teams are setting high screens, double screens, re-screens, just to make sure he’s out of the paint… for a rookie… That’s how impactful he is.
He is the DPOY and it’s not even close.
By - @Peroriperora
He’s the 14th seed. You lot just want Wemby to win and are ignoring how the voting for the award has always been done.
Nick going full Ron Burgundy at start of his bit
Great video
I am sick so i i appreciate the vid
The main detractor for Wemby’s case is the teams defense rank overall, but shouldn’t the on/off be weighted much heavier? If anything that fact simply exemplifies just how valuable he is to turn a bottom tier defense into one of the leagues best every time he steps out there. Denver doesn’t even have a top 15 offensive rating when Jokic is off the floor, but they are probably the best in the league when he’s out there. If we aren’t taking away from his mvp case because of what happens when he’s on the bench, why are we taking away from wemby’s case when he’s on the bench?
Actually the main detractor for his argument is the fact that other centers have their best games of the year against him.
It loses some meaning when he can’t bring them up to being overall a top Defense
@@Jonathan-A.C. literally no player can do this
On/off splits look so stark for Wemby precisely because his teammates are bums. Put a good defender on a terrible team and he’ll leap off the screen and look like the best player by a mile. Put him on a really good team and his impact from not being there is lessened.
Take this stupid example:
Scenario 1) You’re Ben Wallace and starting. When you head to the bench for a breather your team brings in Dikembe Mutombo. Your on off split is negligible
Scenario 2) You’re Ben Wallace and starting. When you head to the bench for a breather your team brings in 5’9” Isaiah Thomas. Your on off split is massive.
It’s the SAME GUY in both scenarios but the on/off split difference is massive.
To put it in NBA2K terms, if your a 96 overall and your replacement / teammates are 90s you’re a better player than a 95 overall who plays with 70s as replacements/teammates. Even if the loss of the 96 is way less devastating than the 95
@@jamespratt7526 But the Spurs defense is better than the Wolves defense when Wemby is playing, so it's not only about the on/off contrast
I love that you always wear cool band tshirts
Really liked the NHAT segment
Youve been pushing out alot of content recently, thanks rusty
its amazing that wembys on the dpoy discussion on his rookie year... great things are to come for him
Its that easy: the wolves are still the number 1 defense in the nba with or without gobert on the floor. Wemby is the dpoy.
Spurs are number 1 defence with wemby on the floor tho..
Let that sink in.
How is this even a question
@@rd_eliokay ur team is asss
@@joshuawilliams2447 so whats my team?
@@rd_eli lmfao u wnana compare a trash spurs team to a number one wolves squad don’t compare buddy wolves have been ranked 1 in defense all year spurs are not a good defense team wolves beat them twice with Wemby playing and everyone can beat spurs with Wemby playing he’s not that good defensively
@@joshuawilliams2447 this trash spurs team ranks higher in defence than ur almighty wolves team when wemby is on the floor. Meanwhile the wolves are 5th without gobert. We talkin better defender of defensive team?
Love the Rudy Gobert Utah era love here ❤️ you’re on the dot
Rusty video idea could you go back through a playoffs series and tell how that playoff year impacted players careers.
The Timberwolves still have the number 1 defensive rating without Gobert on the floor...
So what? That doesn’t preclude him being the best. This argument and the on/off split is stupid.
In NBA2K terms - who is better:
1) 96 OVR who plays alongside a bunch of 90 OVR teammates
2) 95 OVR whose teammates are all 70 OVRs
Obviously in pure number terms it’s easy to say 96 is better than 95 because that’s how numbers work. But when it’s not numbers you just see the drop off and it becomes murky. Cos this is basically the parallel. The Wolves still have the best DRtg with Rudy off cos his teammates are still really good all 90s). Doesn’t mean he isn’t still a “96” in the above example. Likewise Wemby on/off is massive because his teammates are all 70s
@@jamespratt7526 so what?
So he is (most likely, and deservedly) gonna recieve DPOY this year because he anchors the number 1 defense in the league... which is still the number 1 defense in the league without him?
I'm only playing devils advocate, because I don't like the fact that damn near every award now seems to be based solely on your team's record. I get that there are some awards like MVP, that winning should be weighed heavily when voting on, but with DPOY just give it to the defender that plays the best defense, it's that simple.
I don't want to seem like a hater, this year it is probably Rudy Gobert, but I think Wemby is WAY closer to the pure defender that Gobert is then people wanna admit. Also, shout out Herb Jones, he's been giving dudes hell.
I was more or less saying that I think on/off splits are stupid altogether, one of the best defenders in the league is on a dogshit team and will be punished for it, whereas Rudy is on a great team with a defensive system that is tailored to him.
Have a blessed day bro.
@@limsrusill there are absolutely some arguments for Wemby. And I agree to an extent that team success is overemphasised on non-MVP awards (although think it’s critical to MVP). I’m just not sure the arguments are that the Wolves are still good without him or that the Spurs are really bad without Wemby.
I think, if it were a point in time award, Wemby might even be front runner as he’s playing lights out right now. But it’s a season long award and Rudy has been more consistent - especially early where Wemby was still finding his feet.
Also think his minutes reduction hurts him. Even though his stats whilst on court are great, his only being on court for 80% of Rudys minutes means he also contributes less to defence over the course of the season
Next year and maybe the next decade are Wembys for the taking though.
People are gonna say no because the D is overall pretty bad but individually this man has had a ridiculous defensive season
Shout out nick
Helluva cameo
That Nick guy is hilarious
Bring him back 😁
If Wemby replaced Gobert on the T-Wolves, they would become the odds-on-favourite to win the Championship in an instant
Right. Totally agree 👍
They dont want to except this tho
I think the idea of Vic stopping 2 on 1 fast breaks and also just locking down the paint by himself so well gives so much. He also is getting steals and nice help using his wingspan.
I swear to god if Wemby ever gets hit with “voter fatigue” after him like 3 peating the DPOY and they say “well it’s his 4th time, he should be averaging 20 blocks a game and 10 steals now” ima be pissed Cz the hypocrisy of his being a rookie n not getting DPOY when Gobert is arguably the person who should be getting hit w voter fatigue the most will just piss me off
Sadly no give it to Rudy. Winning 16 games isn’t enough idk if anyone has ever won the award and not made the playoffs. I feel like ppl just want to add this to Wemby legacy like he will get one just not right now. He is great tho
Not only not making playoffs, literally the 15th seed😂😂😂
So why is he the frontrunner for ROY then? Shouldn’t it go to Chet since OKC are currently #1 in the west?
Individual awards are not a team accomplishment
@@alphabrother6823
Rookie of the Year hasn’t been something that’s inherently tied to winning that much
@@Jonathan-A.C. exactly
He’s averaging more blocks AND steals he’s a better defensive player that Rudy already.
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It should be awarded to whichever player is the biggest difference maker.
It should be a simpler question, essentially - if you could pick any defensive player to join your team, who would you pick? I’m pretty sure every team would go for Wemby.
In my opinion, if the Timberwolves were simply the best defense then you’d have a case, but they are a historically good defense. I saw a stat that compared the top defensive rating in any year to the average defensive rating of the year to see how much better they were than average and the wolves were 11th in history. The difference between Minnesota at 1 and Boston at 2 is BIGGER than the difference between Boston at 2 and Denver at 10. That’s how good they’ve been.
can you analyse and compare with hartenstien
Isn't there a document somewhere in the league office outlining the guidelines and criteria for selecting the DPOY? Either team record is a factor or it isn't. Still, I can see the NBA welcoming the controversy.
When has the last DPOY won only 20 games? I swear most DPOY winners that I can remember have been on at least a top 6 finishing team in their conference.
Best defensive when he’s been on the court, far ahead of RUDY so stop it 😂 he’s better at literally everything, guards struggle to score on isolations on wemby. Wembys a big clutch time defender too
Honestly I'm fine if he doesn't win it. There's a lot of hype for it and he has proven that he has what it takes. But honestly we are seeing like 20% of what he could actually become since he plays on limited time and he still is learning and getting better on each showing. It feels like people want him to win it more to send a message or for him to get two awards
I agree with the notion that it should go to Victor because individually, Victor is better and improving steadily.
I can see Victor winning DPOY almost every year because of how great of a leap he has made this season alone.
It won’t happen, they’ll use the fatigue card then..
The NBA has advanced in statistics taking, on every parameter for DPOY, if wemby is leading he should get it, wembys numbers are better than every year Rudy won it, let's not move the goal post now...
What advanced stats does Rudy lead in other than on/off which inherently benefits players who have bad teammates? Rim differential goes to Rudy. Players not taking shots against shot blockers goes to Rudy. Rudy’s team is the largest gap in defensive rating between a 1st and 2nd placed defense since the mid 90s. Rudy;s defensive rating is 4 points better than Wemby.
He's the defensive player of the league IMHO. Rudy wouldn't steal it but since the trophy doesn't have clear criterias I don't see why I couldn't give it to Wemby if I think he is the most impactfull defender in the NBA
If we are being honest if he stays healthy and even plateaus this year this award can be renamed "Wenbanyama" for the next decade
I don't get why the TEAM's performance matters so much in deciding these awards. It is defensive PLAYER not defensive team. I feel this way about the MYP award as well, because good players, heck even great ones, do play on bad teams at times. That shouldn't discredit them.
Yes and Rookie of the Year. That would be sweet.
Rudy is probably the only defensive player on which team build around. In Utah and Minnesota now, coachs use him as a system in itself. It show how good of a defender he is. But Wemby is clearly a better individual defender. He is becoming a better version of Gobert defensivily. The only aspect of his game where Gobert is ahead of him is defensive IQ and knowledge. Rudy know every team, every player, Wemby still do rookie mistakes. Giving it to Rudy is fair this year, his impact is HUGE, but after this one, i don't think anyone will be able to win the award against Wemby
Imma be quite honest. I think if he doesn't win it, Its because he is a rookie, maybe people wont want to admit how good and how quick vics game matured
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people talking about boston should watch the video "does losing lead to winning?" it kind of encapsulates their struggles. maybe the boston staff should brush up on that even lol
Think about it this way. If there was a offensive player of the year award, would anyone consider team record. No you want to see the best offensive player. So the most points and assists would be the main thing
He probably should win it but I doubt they let him and him just being in the conversation as a 19/20 year old rookie is impressive
As a Spurs fan, if Wemby doesn’t win it I’m totally fine with Rudy winning it, he is also. very deserving
Here's the thing, if DPOY is only about stocks and even "never minds" (Timberwolves parlance for shots that were never taken), I actually think AD has probably been the best defender this year. But what no one understands about Rudy until they start watching him every night, is how much more he means to a defense than is captured by any counting stat. Even beyond his preternatural ability to not bite on pump fakes, he's out there quarterbacking that defense. MN's D is good because Rudy is one of the best rim protectors , JMc is one of the league's elite perimeter defenders, and NAW might be the best on-ball defender in the league, but make no mistake, the team is great - #1 by a WIDE margin - because of the cohesion he brings to the court; Rudy is the connective tissue of the MN D. He's the DPOY for the exact same reason that Jokic is the OPOY (MVP).
I actually think right now Vic is the best defender in the league, but that's only been for the latter part of the season. Early on he was out of position, getting beat a lot, (although often recovering amazingly) and he was barely a positive statistically on defence. Gobert has been better in the season as a whole. But if Wemby keeps getting better in these last 10 games or so... I dunno. I feel like there could be a bit of a narrative shift.
I knew true shooting % was fake when dame had a decent one while shooting 30%fg 30%3pt and the only reason was the 90%fts
Is the award for Defensive TEAM of the Year or Defensive PLAYER of the Year?
BTW, a stat not counted is how many of his blocks did his team recover? Highlights show a helluva lot of them with the Spurs scoring in transition including 3s!
And as we know, highlight reels are the surest form of evidence.
Aren't you special. With 10 games a day on average, that comes to 20 hours a day, leaving 4 hours for sleep, eating, going to the bathroom, showering, running errands, working, etc.
In other words, highlights and looking at stats are how fans observe much or even most of their fan experience.
IOW, f**k off with your attempt to act superior. @@shorewall
The only argument i see against him winning is that it's based on team performance as well. So unfair.
Don't tell me to like the video before I've actually watched the video mang.
"True shooting percentage is not a real stat" is a take so batshit insane that I have no other recourse available to me other than respect it.
Give him his DPOY award
Go nick!
I’ve seen wemby stop 3-1 fast breaks like has Rudy ever done that? Wemby impacts the floor so much. I’ve never seen anything like it.
I hate individual defensive numbers in this comparison to Gobert. Gobert has brought so much defensive leadership and is a very good help defender in that he actively intimidates opposing players to not go inside as well as a great defensive rebounder. I believe a big reason Wemby has so many more blocks than Gobert is down to the sheer fact that players want to take it to Wemby.
Wrong, he has more blocks because players are still trying to figure out how far his arms can stretch and because he is quick on his feet, he is also more intimidating than Gobert in the paint altering a lot of easy layups during fast breaks, also RG relies more on the defensive system of the team, KAT is playing a huge part in the wolves defense.
I think of it like, if i was playing who is the last person i would want to guard me. And its probably wemby, bam, jjj is nice too.
If we include team success into the award, to such an extent that wemby aint considered the DPOY, then i wanna say this. wemby is doing all his defending while being the primary offensive focus of his team (atleast he should be) and also he pulled a 3 from the logo a few days ago. He deserves it more than 50 mil rudy or whatever he earns. I cant think of any other player thats getting paid like 50 mil to be a defender while also playing on a team with 2 people that are probably better iso defenders. I like rudy but to me he cant be a better defnder than bam (or wemby) I refuse to believe it. And he gets to put most of his energy into defending and rebounding cos he got KAT and Ant. 😤
What. Is Motown Noah named Nick!?
This is like the MVP award: carry-job vs best defensive player on the best defense. Honestly i think that the Spurs defense hase to be a little bit better collectively to make a case for Wemby....then again he is fucking insane so...
carrying a team to a bottom 2 seed does not earn you a dpoy🤦🏾♂️, wembys stats and drating are so high cuz his team sucks so he can put up numbers
@@georgezakhia125you think Wemby is stat padding defense on a bad team?
@@roscoeorginal If his teammates were better defenders, he wouldn't get the chance for so many blocks. Blocks and steals are not good indicators of elite defense anyway, otherwise Hassan Whiteside would be one of the all time great defenders.
@@shorewall then don’t use blocks and steals, use other stats or just watch the game. Use VORP and Defensive Box +/- which Wemby is by far the best defender and in fact he’s the only positive defender on the team that gets significant minutes. His teammates are so bad defensively that he makes his entire team better defensively by just being on the court. Was Rudy stat padding defense in his time in Utah? His teammates were terrible defenders and made the teams defense way better, same thing Wemby is doing right now.
@@roscoeorginal Rudy had bad defenders on his team and yet the Jazz still had the 2nd, 2nd, and 4th best defense in the league when he won his DPOY's. Defense is more than just stocks.
NBA needs some kind of passing of the torch please
Rusty and low collab when?
Tbh I think he deserves it. My problem is, if he wins it this year, how is he not gonna win it for like a decade in a row?
When hes on the court hes the best defender in the league and spurs are an elite defense with there interesting core. Sounds like the dpoy to me
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They have a 113.7 DRTG with Wemby. That's 11th not first.
They are using a 15 game sample size lol
That Block Avg lead and Total Block lead is gonna be a huge push for Wemby
Blocks happen more for Wemby than Rudy cos he’s the new guy and players therefore wanna go at him and make a statement. Meanwhile Rudy doesn’t get blocks cos teams just flat out refuse to shoot it in the paint cos of Rudys very presence.
@@jamespratt7526 WONG The Rim Deterrence of Wemby is pretty crazy, the biggest I ever seen... Over R. Gobert. Just watch those games, not just highlight. for one crazy Ja Morant you have 99 guys who just refuse to shoot when he's around.
@@jamespratt7526 Have you ever wtached a Spurs game. Offensive players pass up layups because Wemby is in the paint alot of times they dont even want to try him at the rim and despite that still is average 3.4 BPG. Just like Bill Ruscell said The idea is not to block every shot, but to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot and that exactly what Wemby is doing.
Gobert vs Wemby for DPOY is a no contest really. Wemby is a defensive monster with limited minutes and in his first year. Spurs defensive rating skyrockets when wemby is around.
Yea that’s how having shitty replacements work. You get a bigger differential than replacing other players in the top 10 in defensive rating at their positions.
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He should be the clear favorite of dpoy regardless of who he is
To anyone that has functioning eyesight this should be obvious. Players are scared shitless of Wemby’s defensive presence. He regularly does things that literally nobody has ever done before, regularly. He’s leading the league in blocks by a faaat amount and when he’s on the court the Spurs are an elite defense. When he’s not they are literally the worst defense in the NBA. It’s just obvious that’s been more impactful on his team defensively than any other person in the NBA, and it’s not even sort of close in that regard either.
You know the track both players not shooting against shot blockers and shooting percentage differential? Rudy leads in both.
I mean obviously they’ll be horrible without him when their backup center is either Zach Collins or Jeremy sochan. Not exactly defensive juggernauts
6:28 how did he not mention Naz Reid he’s a huge pice of their defense
What is Rudy on off number?
The only argument for Wemby to not recieve the award is solely that his team is not great defensively, but when you look at the counting and advanced stats alongside just watching him play, you can see clear as day that the teams pourous defense is not his fault. At this point his defensive counting stats and the eye test are just too much to ignore, it would be a robbery to take the DPOY from him, just because he's a rookie and doing something we've never seen before doesn't mean he shouldn't get the award he's earned.
ok but rudy gobert is leading his team to the #1 defense. calling it a robbery for the best defender on the uncontested #1 defensive team to win dpoy is wild
@@Jeremy-ot6pb Is robbery when you understand that rudy aint leading jack since t-wolves are still the Number 1 defense in def rating w/o gobert....
@@Jeremy-ot6pb It's a robbery when the Defensive Player of the Year award isn't going to the best defensive player of the year. The award is not called, "Best defensive player on best defensive team" if that were the case, by all means Rudy should win it. But this season there is a noticeable gap between Wemby's defense and everyone else in the leauge, numbers and eye test back that up. You can call it what you like, but for the best defender in the world to not get the award solely because of BS narratives, that to me is called robbery.
If he is the best dpoy he should be helping his team win with his defense
@@stevenvang988 well Rudy does not help either since t-wolves win game even w/o him and still have the Number 1 defensive rating w/o Rudy.... + you are asking a rookie to get his team to a top seed? basically you are talking about mvp for a rookie not dpoy
Yes he should no question about it, Spurs being bad defensively has nothing to with Wemby, Spurs is a rebuilding team.
I fucking love nick
I have been screaming this from the rooftops it’s Wemby and it’s not even close! He’s currently 2nd all time in blocks plus steals behind only Anthony Davis in 2015 on the Pelicans a DPOY winner. It’s Wemby. Teams are changing their plays and the way they are attacking defenses with Wemby on the court.
There’s a vast difference in stats between the two and a vast difference in team defensive play, now is this defensive player of the year or defensive team of the year? Okay
Gotta also remember boston went 1-15 in the second half from 3 and Atlanta went 11-19...thats some 2018 Rockets level unlucky and realistically something that may not happen for another 3-5 years in the NBA. Better that it happens now and you deal with the shit late game stuff than focusing on the actual blown lead, since that was maybe the biggest anomaly in modern nba history.
When you live by the 3, you also die by the 3. Boston is too good of a team to place all of their success on coin flips from 3.
@@shorewallAgreed, but at the same time that level of 3 point shooting is extremely rare. On the other hand this second loss to atlanta is probably season ending. Just not a real playoff threat on both ends.
The spurs have the same win percentage with and without Wemby. His defense hasn't impacted their winning at all by that standard. It's not like its a small sample size without Wemby either. Its about 9 games so far which is a decent amount.
Yeah his defense didn't make them win more, to win more you actually have to score more than your opponents, sadly a lot of Spurs players are averaging quintuple singles every night which doesn't help much.
@@hesmutewhich is also why his on/off rating is high. Having bad replacements make on/off look better.
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If the spurs didn’t throw the season as an organization, or at least didn’t save Victor as much as they have, he’d have a real case. I just wouldn’t be able to, in good conscience, give Victor a high vote.
Imo he should. I don’t care about team defense stats overall or team record. His on off splits are insane. The spurs are a generationally heinous defense without him and a top end defense with him. Adding in his insane counting stats I’m there with him already.
On off stats are a pretty stupid stat to use when one player is replaced by good defensive players and the other is replaced by bottom 3 defensive players…
"True shooting % is a made up stat that doesn't mean anything" Thank you NICK! Somebody had to say it, oh yeah "You missed more shots than this other guy but because they were 3 point attempts and not a mid range you get bonus points for missing or making because 3 > 2" get that bull outta here.
That thumbnail doesn’t even look real lol
Using on off numbers to compare players on bad teams versus good teams is just a super casual take.
Damn… Rudy got booted?!
As a Spurs fan, of course I would love for him to win it, but it has not led to greater team success, 16 wins is just not going to put you in the race, it is not Wemby's fault but it unfortunately is what it is. On top of all that, as soon as the Spur's start winning he is basically a lock for it every year until voter fatigue sets in.
Wemby needs a better team around him to win awards. Rudys Defense is directly leading to the 1st seed thats why he needs the dpoy award.
Wemby is not only a better interior defender this year, he’s vastly a better perimeter defender
Rudy has a larger rim protection differential, and players don’t attack Rudy as much as they attack Wemby.
Yes he should get DPOY. Dude is in the paint doing work. He doesnt care if he gets dunked on unlike everyone else. He’s in that paint getting like 10 blocks sometimes. How do you not reward that? If someone like CP3 or Bron had 10 steals in a game it be a no brainer.