Thanks, been waiting for this. I was so tempted to buy it but also after seeing your video I think I hold on and wait for my MPC Live to arrive - Maybe I check out the MC 101 later this years.
LiftOff Notice yeah, a minute really sounds like a ridiculous design decision. I was tempted because of the “original” 808 and 909 sound - instead I might just get boutique versions of it
Depends if u want a sample heavy vanilla work flow or ur after something that can do pretty much everything. The sample work flow complaint doesn't actually exist. You simply import the sample to a drum bank, use the slice tool & discern where u want the slices to be, & then export those chunks onto pads. It's actually quite easy, so you DONT have to import the same sample twice... As for Akai units, tbh the Akai force is a MUCH better tool than an mpc, with better integration with other gear, ableton compatibility, auto sampler, all the latest Akai inbuilt synth engines, works as a perfect ableton interface (along with the fact u can take it with u) and probably one of the most important things, scene interrupt... Basically when playing live, you can drop a one measure break or roll before the next scene on the fly, regardless of the length of clip & scene duration /measure count. THAT is a bigger deal considering the fact that if u want to inject a roll or a break into a 16 step clip or sequence, you either have to wait till it reaches the end of those 16 steps, OR edit the clip to be 12 steps, then insert the 4step variation. Then copy that & make whatever changes u need. If u could interrupt active clips, like the Yamaha RS7000 or RM1x & Force, u DONT have to make copies of the tracks you're wanting to interrupt, u just simply make a one measure/4 beat scene with mute memory, sacrificing only one scene once, which carries ALL the variation breaks & transiting breaks, & drop those on a a needed. Scene interrupt is the most important thing on these kinda memory eating devices.. Saves ALOT of double handling. The mc707 is a phenomenal synth box but no 'copy partial one to partial two' (which is bizarre...) Crazy fx module unrelated to the synth section resources (ie doesn't kill resources, CPU or polyphony), clever scatter (think break tweaker, stutter edit in a box).. The sequencer is kinda weak & after all this time,( & the fact there's a slide button right in the centre of the pad bed) it still doesn't behave like the tb3.. If it's step recording actually behaved like a tb3, itd make life easy & you wouldn't need an arpeggiator. Lotsa issues that need ironing out, for record on note to basic arpeggiator needing alot of work. If the ancient mc303 can have THE best arp I've ever used, there's no reason this should be without it. The coding for it is literal kilobytes, hell it's an mc303 ... There's also lack of user library BUT u CAN make a global project & copy blank clips with ur patches on it which you access whenever & wherever you need. It doesn't have the real time track mixing of the old 505 & 909 but u can access clips & put them into a track. Similar intent but different process & execution & as you've got 16x columns at 8x rows/tracks, so long as sound source is set to clip & NOT track , u can literally have ANY clip on ANY track.. And unlike Ableton, you DONT have to have clips line up. Ie imagine clip 1 track 1 has basic kick & hats, rolling non stop.. track 2 clip 1has vocal or pads etc & next few measures you start your bass line down at clip 7 (still on track 2) , all the while, track 1 clip 1 kick & hats is still playing.. Now u can make 64 variations of these type of combination of clips.. THAT is a clever use of limited memory & resources & quite efficient as u don't have to copy paste duplicates of the same clips /loops. This leaves space for other clips... but in a nutshell, as a whole, it's more than enough of an all in one for most people's needs. With this, I use it as a master for 2 Yamaha's (rm1x & rs7000) giving me 40 tracks to play with, 32of those interruptable with finite phrase /clip editing like an oldskool tracker, (if you've ever seen how oldskool jungle or psy trance is made, this'll make sense to u... My set up is all live & all in real time controlling all my other hardware, not limited to 16 midi tracks (up to 40 controllable channels if I need AND interfacing with the pc sending all midi channels & all audio channels out on individual channels to Ableton for finishing /mastering. It's a neat powerful set up & doesn't actually need the pc to get a decent epically ridiculously complex sequence. Good luck with whatever you choose!!
Thanks Accurate,one of the best if not the best videos I’ve seen on this box,it’s good but I don’t think it’s better than the Force or Isla instruments forthcoming Sp 2400! Keep the FUNK flame alive! 😎
Thanks for exploring the sampler, there’s definitely room for improvements. It’d be interesting to see how a sample chopped in a DAW and imported into the box play out.
Yeah, that could be a workaround! If you create a bunch of smaller, musical chops from different sources and just import them as one shots... Would definitely work
Best way to sample on both MC-101 and 707 is to use the Drum Track, you also have to import the sample for each pad individually (don’t copy from one pad to another), now you can freely edit the samples without affecting the other pads.
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Dno if you figured this, but at the 13.30min mark, you're trying to use the one sample across multiple pads, & triggering different parts of the sample with a respective individual pad hit... You CAN actually do this.. Just import the sample, & use the loop chopper /slicer & do it manually. The tool will also spread each slice frm ur sample across the pads automatically or manually. So you DONT have to import a sample twice...
Interesting, I was curious about the new version of retro beat machines . I’m good with my MPC live, for now. Glad to see you do a review from a boom bap point of view tho. Keep ya head Up Acurate‼️✌🏾✊🏾
Came back to this video as looking to get one. Thanks for the helpful video mate. I went to click the thumbs up and it was on 909...I just couldn't click it and change it to 910 🤣🤣🤣
Great review fella, I think you gave a really balanced review of it. The issue of the slice sampling is that just a case of a software update to allow the box to do that.
Watched this video with avid attention, well done thank you! Just two quick questions: How does the sequencer in your opinion stack up against the sequencer in elektron boxes (DN, DT etc.) or the Arturia drum machines re ease of use and available options? I get you're a HipHop Guy with a sample based workflow, but what do you think: Would it make sense to get this box for someone who'd use the synth engine/drum tracks? Cheers!
I think the sequencer of the 707 is the big selling point of the device and I guess it can be compared with the electron devices a little bit. Since the seq is step based in its core and layout I actually find this one easier and more straight forward to work with than the Electron boxes. I only have the Model: Samples myself but compared with that.. I definitely find the 707's sequencer to be a bit easier to work with. Sure... You cant change the actual sample that plays on the different steps like yu can on the digitakt or model samples but besides of that... I like the 707 more. The Arturia drum machines also has pretty great sequencers but they're not as flexible as this one is. Since its also an all-in-one unit I must say that the 707 is a really good product. I'll use the drums and synth tracks on this one myself a lot even though I love my samples :D
I'm impressed with the sounds in the 707 and glitch thing at the end was cool! I'm not in the market for a 707 but the brief Jupiter Xm demo was a nice surprise!
The mpc yeah if you only sample or use “sample packs” but if you want to design/build your own sounds from scratch via drum synths and powerful synth engines (it has the Juno in it among other Roland classic engines) then your still searching for something to “check all the boxes” like this or the MV-1 (maybe) cause I was super disappointed by Akai’s lack of vst support or anything beyond the joke of a “tube synth” that was thrown in as an afterthought…. I prepaid for an MPC 1 last year and after 3 months of seeing demos trickle out and no improvement, I canceled it for a refund.
it's one of those workflows where you have to sample INTO it, and do one of those drum programs, but instead of sampling 1 minutes worth of data in each pad, you just find the 5 seconds you want to use and sample those individually onto the pads. It's slow in some ways, but it's just as fast if not quicker in other ways. Seems more like this device isn't really suited for sample-based beat making though....or maybe it is, because it's nice that it has the built in synth sounds and stuff, and the sequencing seems okay, the way it arranges i think is the real bread-winner with this, they've got to tweak the sampling stuff a whole bunch though.
good video, nice short introduction. I hope the MC-707 gets subfolders for Samples / Projects on SD-Card at the next update. The TR-8S can do it ... ;-) So ROLAND, you can still improve :-) Overall .... a really fat groovebox that is really fun ...
Great factual fair review....its great box but obviously people are looking at other stuff at same price. As it stands this is more expensive in UK than mpc live...so thats just crazy imho and to make mpc more hands on you get launch xl😉🙌
Always to the point and onto important things, Accurate! Handy offset is real neat, thanks for showing it. And yes, not undo - what?!?! :) My Force is back to (besides enthusiasm/loving it AND downsides/issues, acting in beta testing .... I just feel that wasting my life beta testing instean of making my music). I was back to Push 2 or Maschine MK3 debate just playing Beatstep Pro for now, as Force is no-go with just 8 synths and almost got me death past wknds. I knew only 8 tracks on 707 would annoy me, but little==critical details you gave and what BB and LP shown as well, makes me think not give up on Standalones just yet. My needs in samples are smaller than yours, but it seems I will have no issue to put individual shorter Hang Drum samples on 707? ..... and also "go bananas" diving deep into the synth :) ... oh, one more question, how 707 pads feel against the MK3?
Well... I’m sure the 707 will grow with future updates and more functions being assess in the process :) The pads are good and responsive. I had to adjust the velocity sensitivity a bit to make it suit me personally but I have to complaints at all about them :)
8 scenes should be at least 16, 64 would be great. The fact that all the samples on the SD card are in one big folder, no subfolder available is my biggest gripe with this unit. But yeah, updates can fix this.
More scenes? Hmm... maybe a good idea! I’m sure the handling of the data on the SD card will be fixed in the future. It’s just gonna be impossible to always have to browse through everything in the long run. Thanks for watching
Thanks for this Accurate.. You nailed some of the gripes I have got with the device. (mainly on the audio side of things, and the disk streaming issue. Bloody hell.. No metronome?! How did they forget that one??) Still.. This is a great product ;) Thanks ;)
@@BoBeats I know that driverless cars are soon to be the norm..but....to me..building a groovebox without a metronome is like building a car without a steering wheel... :P When you told me it had no disk streaming...I was pretty disappointed. I wish someone made a black music 1010, slash MPC, Live slash MC707, that one could use as a multitrack looper/sequencer/arranger/mixer and sample/sound-library Station, for dawless jotting down of ideas.
@@V4D2 totally agree. Disk streaming and metronome are a must. I hope they add count in too. Its super weird that it doesn't have it. Blackbox seems like fun. But. All of these devices has pro's and con's depending on what features you want. Blackbox doesn't have any real hands on control almost, compared to the 707. And no synth. Its like its impossible to get the perfect machine.
@@BoBeats In deed! It's pretty unfortunate. It's not like these issues (specially disk streaming) are unknown... I would've bought the MPC Live, or the Force, had it not been for this (non)feature. Still, i prefer the Mixer-like interface, on the 707. The screen is pretty small though.. and Roland keeps giving us a LOT of sound-design features..which.. to me, at least, are somewhat overkill in a unit like this. I'm probably not right.. hehe.. but i'd risk saying most ppl don't want these units for producing music as a final product package. They (we?) want it mainly for jotting down ideas.. for creation..editing...Experimenting!.. And after that we can export and go to a more thorough&complete platform, like Ableton, or Logic..ProTools..etc. Roland's PCM sounds are pretty solid, imo.. so i am guessing i'd prefer those to, lets say.. Akai's libraries, on the MPCs.. but hey, Give me a standalone : . MC707 interface, sequencer & PCM Library . MPC live I/O & screen, portability and Ableton Link integration WITH disk streaming and i'll glady pay 2k€ for it, even.. What would your "fusion-device" look like Bo ?
What I always miss about these reviews - on all channels - is if these machines with inputs have the option to the FX on them and route them through. Nobody ever talks about that.
I'm pretty sure you can with the drum one. Watch Doctor mix mc707 remix. He chops from vinyl and changes his start and ends but uses the soft,hard transient chopping function and adjust from there
Great vid, Accurate, thanks. Really surprising about the inability to set different chop points on the same sample on different pads, particularly as this is ostensibly a sampler. Also worth pointing out that there's no dedicated MIDI tracks like there is on the Digitakt. Speaking of which... what are your early impressions on this vs. Digitakt?
Thanks! I haven’t used the digital enough to make the comparison justice. Initially I’d just say that the 707 is quite a bit easier to understand. The digitakt is a bit more powerful when it comes to sampling in general but I hope Roland will release updates :) Thanks for watching
@@AccurateBeats I think this a grove box that has a sampler not a production center like say the MPC Live. Even though buy the time I'm ready to purchase this I'm hoping Korg will have a pro Electribe even though sampling has never been Korgs forte.
You should really review a Deluge with 3.0. It runs circles around this. And it’s smaller and battery powered. Don’t be put of by the retro screen like I was. It’s a beast. I can load a whole folder of multisampled samples and create a lush piano patch in one second :) I was looking for the MC 707 too but canceled my Thomann preorder. Glad I did. As I saw in your video how limited the sampler was. Too bad because the synth presets sound way better than the stock deluge presets.
Two comments I would like to make. 1, the thing is already $1000. 2, I like my sampler smaller and separate from my main sequencer so when I'm sampling thigs off my computer, I'm not tied down to a big bulky gadget.
Hi, very nice demo and concise. I hesitate to buy the MC707 or the TR8S... in fact I play keyboards and piano and I’m searching a machine to give me some drums backing tracks. Is the MC707 capable to give me all the power of the TR8S in drum sounds and pattern construction? I heard a lot of other possibilities in your demo but is it really also a drum machine? Thank you for your further answer.
Couldn't you use the method Red Means Recording used in his video to chop samples? He made it look real easy chopping a longer sample and assigning them straight to the pads. I'm guessing this piece would fasten my workflow quite a bit because I chop my samples with a 404sx and bounce between my 505. I usually start by chopping up a break into pieces and then do the same with the samples (or vice versa). This would add a mute group as well
Like Your stuff, well explained ;) How do You feel about it,as centerpiece of little studio? Want to record something but in fun and intuitive way. Roland looks good and also Maschine MK3 ..of course mk3 need computer. Regards Raul
Thank you for your review. I see you’re saying this is what the 8S should have been. So if I understand well, this has ACB engines for both drums and tones. So would it be a good replacement (and enhancement) for TR-8S in terms of sound quality and workflow for drums ? Or if I want good drums and drum workflow should one keep the 8S ?
@@alexlewis5470 the Zencore is based around the acb. It's why they're using it in everything & even the later boutiques, which are cut down variations with a bonus of real time controllers (as opposed to the menu diving of the mc) Umm.. I dno if the 8s needs to be replaced, but they're virtually identical in the sound creation & pcm/wav side of things, despite actually sounding a lil different due to the chains in which they operate. What u can do with the mc though, is get different variations of the drum kits you want & create a drum bank, which can be used as a one shot trigger bank, or plonk 4 samples on one tone track, allocate key group & various key triggers for pitch, & literally tweak each sample in its own partial, like a real synth, using those respective samples as oscillators, Inc lfos, filters etc. They're different machines and Roland were actively ensuring that any comparison is minimal. Honestly, the mc is trying to do too much & it's copping alot of flak for its weaknesses (&there are many of those issues overlooked) such as basic legacy track & rhythm part mutes. I'm trying to work out how to set up the unit to work like an oldskool mc unit, but this pad mode is a massive hindrance.
@@alexandrosroussos 101 is identical to the 707 except for deep dive synth edits & number of tracks. It's a great box, but rather limited unless u use Zenology pro, which gives u access to all the deep diving
@@PedroAnastazi it’s cool to have the ZenCore engine sounds editing, but would have better nice if we could sound design drums and use model expansions. Roland still has to make a module that does that. I know that the Jupiter XM is considered a module (and I own one) but I would have preferred it to really be a module and instead of the tiny 37 keys, have more complete panel with a decent screen for usability.
Hi accurate! I always love your videos. You must want to look at the Deluge by Synthstrom Audible. It has some of the capabilities you found missing in the 707. Cheers!
General question: I see people in these demo videos recording their audio through Logic. How do you sync that up with the video? Is it all done automatically when you work with Final Cut?
Can you share your thoughts on Mc 707 vs Pio’s DJS 1000? Totally different machines but both sample, step sequence and are useful for djing/live performance. They’re relatively close in price. Does the djs 1000’s sample slicing and DJ layout give it an edge?
Hello! I recently bought a mc 707 and installed the latest firmware 1.5 Can you tell me where the sample slicer is? I can’t find it where it should be. Case in firmware 1.5?
Hey fam do you put all of your drums on 1 track? Mine is coming in today I’m thinking about approaching it with kick on a track snares, claps, and rims on a track highs on a track then use the last 5 tracks on sounds
I’m in the position of having too many devices and to little space at the moment. I need too remake the studio I guess. I still use the Force though! Things just move in and out of there so from now and then :)
mojo drum I like it a lot! It’s very competent! I just have a small problem with using touch screens in general. It makes it feel more like an iPad than I like. The workflow benefits and the overall possibilities of the Force are huge and it’s definitely a beast if a machine. It’s not perfect and I’m still waiting for more updates but yeah... it’s really great!
I know. I’m also deaf on one ear and about to position both of monitors on the left :) It might be wrong but I do 99% of my mixing in my headphones, switching the stereo back and forth. The monitors are used more for playing music for fun than for mixing. Thanks anyways. I know this isn’t great, my room isn’t treated either... parts of my studio still needs a lot of work :)
Accurate Beats yes, Try pulling them out of the corner as well as you will get bass frequencies trapped behind your speaker I have recently bought MC707 van synchronisation to D a W is ridiculous how are you finding it? Was thinking about buying ERM multi clock to solve the issue Maybe you could do a video on synchronisation🤔
hey accurate beats i have an idear for a video u can make the thing is i was thinking after i watched your video maybe if you take and link sp404 a into mc707 via midi in and out and mix 'L/R into line L/R so you can use the sequencer in 707 to chop samples from 404 that will be a nice video then you can make drums in 707 and make a nice beat that way i like to see someone doing that eny way good job with your channel and hope all the best for you with your surgery i root for you many greetings julius from denmark
Back in the day on the MC505 all of your drums were on the “R” track but you could mute each one and track each sound in separately can you do that on the 707?
yeah, thats what i been tryin to figure out. Mines in storge atm so i cant fish it out to check, but this unit NEEDS legacy MC mute options. IMO the top row of 16 smaller scene (and step record) buttons should be assignable to scatter or mute, or scenes or mute memories, or a combo of mute memories and scenes. Hell even using the track select button under the slider as a mute would be workable.. This machine needs more tweakability and customisation. The 2 rows of 8 pads, should be optioned to be set up to behave like the legacy MC's. This pad 1 ( top left) is its respective rythm track. Activate the individual mutes in that drum track with a hit of the shift key or turn the 16 step record buttons into mutes for the 16 pads in whatever drum track is selected. Make sense? Using legacy mute set up is much more efficient than shifting from one mode to another. The top row of 8 pads operates IDENTICALLY to the legacy MC's.. and track one is default drum track "R" track. Or as there are 16 pads/sounds in said drum track, just plop them along the step recorder... its not as pretty but it's functional as a mute shortcut I THINK scatter would be a way to work around this instant access weakness, or use the MC707 max4live and vst editor. Thats all i can think of..
@@PedroAnastazi Yeah it doesn’t so I returned mine. I’m disappointed in the whole operation of it anyways. Screen to small the 909 had a nice screen. More menu diving than there needs to be. Fail for me sticking to my ipad lol
frign hope so, but id anticipate a keyboardless 8 track fantom box based on the mc909 form factor though.. I dont see the MC707 gettin much more than basic OS fw updates from here on in.. .sadly..
@@AccurateBeats awehness! getting mine sent to me on monday, and now that I just got the hang of my octatrack I cant wait to feed it loops from the mc-707 for live re-sampling/mangling. selling both my mpc live and maschine mk3 now to avoid that GAS life.. ;) looking forward to the video!
I have a mc 808. she has the metronome. Pre-registration why not leave it on a newer model? and it's so bad for the memory (1min) and the choping samples. do not you think that it would have been necessary to change the way of storage. sd card it limits me already on mc 808.
Does the MPC Live allow one the same capabilities, when it comes to using internal sounds for music making. I'm interested in having a piece of kit that would allow me to use both the step sequencer and the live playing (manual input) like you showed here..with the 32steps phrase. I'm not much into using sampling myself..so I thank you for showing off some of the very capable internal sound library sounds, on the 707. Can you do that with the MPC Live ?
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Happy to say that in this case you are incorrect; Roland have already provided two excellent updates of the 707 which give us metronome, sample editing and song mode, many of the things people have been saying they were missing. The 707 is an excellent instrument!
Thanks for the shout out and great point on letting people chop up the same sample on multiple pads
Thank god a hip hop dude finally reviewed this joint! Thanks
Hehe..true story!
uhh not sure the 'hip' the hip hop was...
They are already listening... :-) Metronome has been added in the V1.02 update.
The best video about MC 707 till now. Thank you
Fascinating tutorial, thank you! 👍
Thanks, been waiting for this. I was so tempted to buy it but also after seeing your video I think I hold on and wait for my MPC Live to arrive - Maybe I check out the MC 101 later this years.
LiftOff Notice yeah, a minute really sounds like a ridiculous design decision. I was tempted because of the “original” 808 and 909 sound - instead I might just get boutique versions of it
MPC!! 😀
Depends if u want a sample heavy vanilla work flow or ur after something that can do pretty much everything. The sample work flow complaint doesn't actually exist. You simply import the sample to a drum bank, use the slice tool & discern where u want the slices to be, & then export those chunks onto pads. It's actually quite easy, so you DONT have to import the same sample twice...
As for Akai units, tbh the Akai force is a MUCH better tool than an mpc, with better integration with other gear, ableton compatibility, auto sampler, all the latest Akai inbuilt synth engines, works as a perfect ableton interface (along with the fact u can take it with u) and probably one of the most important things, scene interrupt... Basically when playing live, you can drop a one measure break or roll before the next scene on the fly, regardless of the length of clip & scene duration /measure count.
THAT is a bigger deal considering the fact that if u want to inject a roll or a break into a 16 step clip or sequence, you either have to wait till it reaches the end of those 16 steps, OR edit the clip to be 12 steps, then insert the 4step variation. Then copy that & make whatever changes u need.
If u could interrupt active clips, like the Yamaha RS7000 or RM1x & Force, u DONT have to make copies of the tracks you're wanting to interrupt, u just simply make a one measure/4 beat scene with mute memory, sacrificing only one scene once, which carries ALL the variation breaks & transiting breaks, & drop those on a a needed.
Scene interrupt is the most important thing on these kinda memory eating devices.. Saves ALOT of double handling.
The mc707 is a phenomenal synth box but no 'copy partial one to partial two' (which is bizarre...)
Crazy fx module unrelated to the synth section resources (ie doesn't kill resources, CPU or polyphony), clever scatter (think break tweaker, stutter edit in a box).. The sequencer is kinda weak & after all this time,( & the fact there's a slide button right in the centre of the pad bed) it still doesn't behave like the tb3.. If it's step recording actually behaved like a tb3, itd make life easy & you wouldn't need an arpeggiator.
Lotsa issues that need ironing out, for record on note to basic arpeggiator needing alot of work. If the ancient mc303 can have THE best arp I've ever used, there's no reason this should be without it. The coding for it is literal kilobytes, hell it's an mc303 ... There's also lack of user library BUT u CAN make a global project & copy blank clips with ur patches on it which you access whenever & wherever you need. It doesn't have the real time track mixing of the old 505 & 909 but u can access clips & put them into a track. Similar intent but different process & execution & as you've got 16x columns at 8x rows/tracks, so long as sound source is set to clip & NOT track , u can literally have ANY clip on ANY track.. And unlike Ableton, you DONT have to have clips line up. Ie imagine clip 1 track 1 has basic kick & hats, rolling non stop.. track 2 clip 1has vocal or pads etc & next few measures you start your bass line down at clip 7 (still on track 2) , all the while, track 1 clip 1 kick & hats is still playing.. Now u can make 64 variations of these type of combination of clips.. THAT is a clever use of limited memory & resources & quite efficient as u don't have to copy paste duplicates of the same clips /loops. This leaves space for other clips...
but in a nutshell, as a whole, it's more than enough of an all in one for most people's needs.
With this, I use it as a master for 2 Yamaha's (rm1x & rs7000) giving me 40 tracks to play with, 32of those interruptable with finite phrase /clip editing like an oldskool tracker, (if you've ever seen how oldskool jungle or psy trance is made, this'll make sense to u...
My set up is all live & all in real time controlling all my other hardware, not limited to 16 midi tracks (up to 40 controllable channels if I need AND interfacing with the pc sending all midi channels & all audio channels out on individual channels to Ableton for finishing /mastering. It's a neat powerful set up & doesn't actually need the pc to get a decent epically ridiculously complex sequence.
Good luck with whatever you choose!!
its crazy to see how you could get into a product thats completly new for you so quick... i’m impressed everytime - respect!
Well thank you!
+1 for the single sample with different start/end/loop points, that is really really needed, good call
Thanks Accurate,one of the best if not the best videos I’ve seen on this box,it’s good but I don’t think it’s better than the Force or Isla instruments forthcoming Sp 2400! Keep the FUNK flame alive! 😎
Thank you. Mine should arrive tomorrow. :-)
Accurate as always! Clear and concise. GAS`ing for the first bit of gear in a while. Will get one second hand next year i’m sure.
Thats how I did it, got it this weekend almost brand-new for just 600€. Very fun beast!
Thanks for exploring the sampler, there’s definitely room for improvements. It’d be interesting to see how a sample chopped in a DAW and imported into the box play out.
Yeah, that could be a workaround! If you create a bunch of smaller, musical chops from different sources and just import them as one shots... Would definitely work
The work flow is far better than any other sampler / drum machine...Even better than Akai s MPC line
Best way to sample on both MC-101 and 707 is to use the Drum Track, you also have to import the sample for each pad individually (don’t copy from one pad to another), now you can freely edit the samples without affecting the other pads.
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Dno if you figured this, but at the 13.30min mark, you're trying to use the one sample across multiple pads, & triggering different parts of the sample with a respective individual pad hit...
You CAN actually do this.. Just import the sample, & use the loop chopper /slicer & do it manually. The tool will also spread each slice frm ur sample across the pads automatically or manually.
So you DONT have to import a sample twice...
Good luck in surgery dude! By the time you read this you'll be over the hill!
Interesting, I was curious about the new version of retro beat machines . I’m good with my MPC live, for now. Glad to see you do a review from a boom bap point of view tho. Keep ya head Up Acurate‼️✌🏾✊🏾
Most complete video on the 707 on the internet! Awesome man
Wonderful vedio and glad to see you are still doing what you love. Much respect . A fan always Thanks for your time
Superb commentary & breakdowns: THANK YOU for all that you do. Keep on rockin’ and $ockin’ ‘em. About that Push 3...
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Came back to this video as looking to get one. Thanks for the helpful video mate.
I went to click the thumbs up and it was on 909...I just couldn't click it and change it to 910 🤣🤣🤣
Great review fella, I think you gave a really balanced review of it. The issue of the slice sampling is that just a case of a software update to allow the box to do that.
Excellent video accurate!
Good video definately a rabbit hole I have dug deep
Excellent review especially the last part of what features MC 707 would have been great to have !!!
Watched this video with avid attention, well done thank you! Just two quick questions: How does the sequencer in your opinion stack up against the sequencer in elektron boxes (DN, DT etc.) or the Arturia drum machines re ease of use and available options? I get you're a HipHop Guy with a sample based workflow, but what do you think: Would it make sense to get this box for someone who'd use the synth engine/drum tracks? Cheers!
I think the sequencer of the 707 is the big selling point of the device and I guess it can be compared with the electron devices a little bit.
Since the seq is step based in its core and layout I actually find this one easier and more straight forward to work with than the Electron boxes. I only have the Model: Samples myself but compared with that.. I definitely find the 707's sequencer to be a bit easier to work with. Sure... You cant change the actual sample that plays on the different steps like yu can on the digitakt or model samples but besides of that... I like the 707 more.
The Arturia drum machines also has pretty great sequencers but they're not as flexible as this one is. Since its also an all-in-one unit I must say that the 707 is a really good product.
I'll use the drums and synth tracks on this one myself a lot even though I love my samples :D
@@AccurateBeats Awesome, thank you for the comprehensive response!
I'm impressed with the sounds in the 707 and glitch thing at the end was cool! I'm not in the market for a 707 but the brief Jupiter Xm demo was a nice surprise!
Great review but for me the MPC LIVE is the ultimate groovebox as for today.
I dont own the MPC Live but its definitely on my to buy list 👍
@@cursedsound Get one today!!
@@yourmom9828 Dont have the money yet:/ im currently setting up my studio and its already costing so much 😅
The mpc yeah if you only sample or use “sample packs” but if you want to design/build your own sounds from scratch via drum synths and powerful synth engines (it has the Juno in it among other Roland classic engines) then your still searching for something to “check all the boxes” like this or the MV-1 (maybe) cause I was super disappointed by Akai’s lack of vst support or anything beyond the joke of a “tube synth” that was thrown in as an afterthought…. I prepaid for an MPC 1 last year and after 3 months of seeing demos trickle out and no improvement, I canceled it for a refund.
The 707 does sample chopping now too..
Hi!! Fom Mexico, Thanks for your videos
Excellent review!
it's one of those workflows where you have to sample INTO it, and do one of those drum programs, but instead of sampling 1 minutes worth of data in each pad, you just find the 5 seconds you want to use and sample those individually onto the pads. It's slow in some ways, but it's just as fast if not quicker in other ways. Seems more like this device isn't really suited for sample-based beat making though....or maybe it is, because it's nice that it has the built in synth sounds and stuff, and the sequencing seems okay, the way it arranges i think is the real bread-winner with this, they've got to tweak the sampling stuff a whole bunch though.
You’re totally right!
I’m sure the sampling will e fixed in a future update. It seems like a no-brainier :)
Thanks for watching
Very informative.
Thank you..
good video, nice short introduction. I hope the MC-707 gets subfolders for Samples / Projects on SD-Card at the next update. The TR-8S can do it ... ;-) So ROLAND, you can still improve :-) Overall .... a really fat groovebox that is really fun ...
I would like a song mode as well as more sample chopping features
Clips are your song mode , what would be better are 16 scenes not 8
Really good video! Totally agree on the missing possibilities.
Clear, concise. That was great. Thanks. ;^)
After reading the manual it gives you the option to turn timestretch off , couldn’t you just do that ?
Great factual fair review....its great box but obviously people are looking at other stuff at same price. As it stands this is more expensive in UK than mpc live...so thats just crazy imho and to make mpc more hands on you get launch xl😉🙌
you can bounce your edited sample to a new track and go back to make a new / different edit
Oh... like resampling? I never thought of that :)
Always to the point and onto important things, Accurate! Handy offset is real neat, thanks for showing it. And yes, not undo - what?!?! :) My Force is back to (besides enthusiasm/loving it AND downsides/issues, acting in beta testing .... I just feel that wasting my life beta testing instean of making my music). I was back to Push 2 or Maschine MK3 debate just playing Beatstep Pro for now, as Force is no-go with just 8 synths and almost got me death past wknds. I knew only 8 tracks on 707 would annoy me, but little==critical details you gave and what BB and LP shown as well, makes me think not give up on Standalones just yet. My needs in samples are smaller than yours, but it seems I will have no issue to put individual shorter Hang Drum samples on 707? ..... and also "go bananas" diving deep into the synth :) ... oh, one more question, how 707 pads feel against the MK3?
Well... I’m sure the 707 will grow with future updates and more functions being assess in the process :)
The pads are good and responsive. I had to adjust the velocity sensitivity a bit to make it suit me personally but I have to complaints at all about them :)
8 scenes should be at least 16, 64 would be great. The fact that all the samples on the SD card are in one big folder, no subfolder available is my biggest gripe with this unit. But yeah, updates can fix this.
More scenes? Hmm... maybe a good idea! I’m sure the handling of the data on the SD card will be fixed in the future. It’s just gonna be impossible to always have to browse through everything in the long run.
Thanks for watching
Tech audio routing question for sampling synthesizers: 4 Synths > 4 mixer channels > MC Ext. In > Speakers? Or is there a better option? Thanks!
MC 707 or Akai Force? 🤔
Very different machines.
The Roland is a groove box primarily not a sampler.
Thanks for this Accurate.. You nailed some of the gripes I have got with the device.
(mainly on the audio side of things, and the disk streaming issue.
Bloody hell.. No metronome?!
How did they forget that one??)
Still.. This is a great product ;)
Thanks ;)
they actually added a metronome in the update that came a few days ago :) but mine didn't have one either in time for the review
@@BoBeats I know that driverless cars are soon to be the norm..but....to me..building a groovebox without a metronome is like building a car without a steering wheel...
:P
When you told me it had no disk streaming...I was pretty disappointed.
I wish someone made a black music 1010, slash MPC, Live slash MC707, that one could use as a multitrack looper/sequencer/arranger/mixer and sample/sound-library Station, for dawless jotting down of ideas.
@@V4D2 totally agree. Disk streaming and metronome are a must. I hope they add count in too. Its super weird that it doesn't have it. Blackbox seems like fun. But. All of these devices has pro's and con's depending on what features you want. Blackbox doesn't have any real hands on control almost, compared to the 707. And no synth. Its like its impossible to get the perfect machine.
@@BoBeats In deed!
It's pretty unfortunate.
It's not like these issues (specially disk streaming) are unknown...
I would've bought the MPC Live, or the Force, had it not been for this (non)feature.
Still, i prefer the Mixer-like interface, on the 707. The screen is pretty small though.. and Roland keeps giving us a LOT of sound-design features..which.. to me, at least, are somewhat overkill in a unit like this.
I'm probably not right.. hehe.. but i'd risk saying most ppl don't want these units for producing music as a final product package.
They (we?) want it mainly for jotting down ideas.. for creation..editing...Experimenting!..
And after that we can export and go to a more thorough&complete platform, like Ableton, or Logic..ProTools..etc.
Roland's PCM sounds are pretty solid, imo.. so i am guessing i'd prefer those to, lets say.. Akai's libraries, on the MPCs.. but hey,
Give me a standalone :
. MC707 interface, sequencer & PCM Library
. MPC live I/O & screen, portability
and Ableton Link integration
WITH
disk streaming
and i'll glady pay 2k€ for it, even..
What would your "fusion-device" look like Bo ?
The upcoming SP2400 has got disk streaming, btw. ;)
Great demo
What I always miss about these reviews - on all channels - is if these machines with inputs have the option to the FX on them and route them through. Nobody ever talks about that.
Being able to chop samples on the drum track would be a huge selling point for me.
I feel the same way. Hopefully they fix that in a future update
I'm pretty sure you can with the drum one. Watch Doctor mix mc707 remix. He chops from vinyl and changes his start and ends but uses the soft,hard transient chopping function and adjust from there
Great review- at last I get a proper feel for this machine😊😊😊 incidentally how is your health measuring up?
Great vid, Accurate, thanks. Really surprising about the inability to set different chop points on the same sample on different pads, particularly as this is ostensibly a sampler. Also worth pointing out that there's no dedicated MIDI tracks like there is on the Digitakt. Speaking of which... what are your early impressions on this vs. Digitakt?
Thanks!
I haven’t used the digital enough to make the comparison justice. Initially I’d just say that the 707 is quite a bit easier to understand. The digitakt is a bit more powerful when it comes to sampling in general but I hope Roland will release updates :)
Thanks for watching
@@AccurateBeats I think this a grove box that has a sampler not a production center like say the MPC Live. Even though buy the time I'm ready to purchase this I'm hoping Korg will have a pro Electribe even though sampling has never been Korgs forte.
Vi har det super godt!
You should really review a Deluge with 3.0. It runs circles around this. And it’s smaller and battery powered. Don’t be put of by the retro screen like I was. It’s a beast. I can load a whole folder of multisampled samples and create a lush piano patch in one second :)
I was looking for the MC 707 too but canceled my Thomann preorder. Glad I did. As I saw in your video how limited the sampler was. Too bad because the synth presets sound way better than the stock deluge presets.
Jake Daniel could be.
Curious if you've demo'd the Synthstrom Deluge - and if so, how do you see it comparing to the Mc-707?
Hey, Accurate! can you do more beat making videos but with the Akai force. I want to see more of it. great vid!
Two comments I would like to make. 1, the thing is already $1000. 2, I like my sampler smaller and separate from my main sequencer so when I'm sampling thigs off my computer, I'm not tied down to a big bulky gadget.
Hi, very nice demo and concise. I hesitate to buy the MC707 or the TR8S... in fact I play keyboards and piano and I’m searching a machine to give me some drums backing tracks. Is the MC707 capable to give me all the power of the TR8S in drum sounds and pattern construction?
I heard a lot of other possibilities in your demo but is it really also a drum machine?
Thank you for your further answer.
6:52 it's the final countdown.
I think you need an sp404 to make the loops to record, and I think Roland do to, if you want nderstand my meaning
I hope the surgery went well? Any news? All the best from Denmark 🤗
It does have a metronome
Couldn't you use the method Red Means Recording used in his video to chop samples? He made it look real easy chopping a longer sample and assigning them straight to the pads. I'm guessing this piece would fasten my workflow quite a bit because I chop my samples with a 404sx and bounce between my 505. I usually start by chopping up a break into pieces and then do the same with the samples (or vice versa). This would add a mute group as well
Like Your stuff, well explained ;) How do You feel about it,as centerpiece of little studio? Want to record something but in fun and intuitive way. Roland looks good and also Maschine MK3 ..of course mk3 need computer.
Regards
Raul
Thank you for your review. I see you’re saying this is what the 8S should have been. So if I understand well, this has ACB engines for both drums and tones. So would it be a good replacement (and enhancement) for TR-8S in terms of sound quality and workflow for drums ? Or if I want good drums and drum workflow should one keep the 8S ?
pretty sure there is only PCM based drums, no ACB engine on the 707/101
@@alexlewis5470 OK so maybe a 101 would make sense as on-the go module and I stick with the TR-8S for pristine Roland drum sound design.
@@alexlewis5470 the Zencore is based around the acb. It's why they're using it in everything & even the later boutiques, which are cut down variations with a bonus of real time controllers (as opposed to the menu diving of the mc)
Umm.. I dno if the 8s needs to be replaced, but they're virtually identical in the sound creation & pcm/wav side of things, despite actually sounding a lil different due to the chains in which they operate. What u can do with the mc though, is get different variations of the drum kits you want & create a drum bank, which can be used as a one shot trigger bank, or plonk 4 samples on one tone track, allocate key group & various key triggers for pitch, & literally tweak each sample in its own partial, like a real synth, using those respective samples as oscillators, Inc lfos, filters etc.
They're different machines and Roland were actively ensuring that any comparison is minimal. Honestly, the mc is trying to do too much & it's copping alot of flak for its weaknesses (&there are many of those issues overlooked) such as basic legacy track & rhythm part mutes. I'm trying to work out how to set up the unit to work like an oldskool mc unit, but this pad mode is a massive hindrance.
@@alexandrosroussos 101 is identical to the 707 except for deep dive synth edits & number of tracks. It's a great box, but rather limited unless u use Zenology pro, which gives u access to all the deep diving
@@PedroAnastazi it’s cool to have the ZenCore engine sounds editing, but would have better nice if we could sound design drums and use model expansions. Roland still has to make a module that does that. I know that the Jupiter XM is considered a module (and I own one) but I would have preferred it to really be a module and instead of the tiny 37 keys, have more complete panel with a decent screen for usability.
Mc 707 or toriaz sp-16.i want both,but witch is easier to get going with?
Hi accurate! I always love your videos. You must want to look at the Deluge by Synthstrom Audible. It has some of the capabilities you found missing in the 707. Cheers!
I know! Everyone keeps mentioning that to me. Hopefully I’ll get stopping to check it out in the future.
Thanks for watching!!
Hey man I really appreciate you showing the 707 but could you please review the Jupiter xm and does it have a sequencer
I’m not sure I’ll get around to make a video on it just now. It’s a very cool synth and I sure ove the form factor of it!
General question: I see people in these demo videos recording their audio through Logic. How do you sync that up with the video? Is it all done automatically when you work with Final Cut?
nice
Can you share your thoughts on Mc 707 vs Pio’s DJS 1000? Totally different machines but both sample, step sequence and are useful for djing/live performance. They’re relatively close in price. Does the djs 1000’s sample slicing and DJ layout give it an edge?
How you can compare the sound to other machines like Digitakt or Toraiz SP-16?
Hello! I recently bought a mc 707 and installed the latest firmware 1.5
Can you tell me where the sample slicer is? I can’t find it where it should be. Case in firmware 1.5?
MPC. 😌
How would you compare the synth sounds on the MC-707 with those on the MPC Live?
Oh, sorry! I haven't really gone too deep into the synths of the MPC to be honest :(
@@AccurateBeats Thanks for responding. I'm just kind of torn between the hands on control of the MC-707 vs the sampling abilities of the MPC Live.
does groovebox have only 1 minute for external samples? or am I misunderstood?
can i use all 8 live looping tracks?
Hey fam do you put all of your drums on 1 track? Mine is coming in today I’m thinking about approaching it with kick on a track snares, claps, and rims on a track highs on a track then use the last 5 tracks on sounds
I would have to say that the price point is pretty good. I spent more on the Analog four mk2 😡
Is there realtime recording on this unit? Can i finger drum and record
Just wondering how you made out with the akai force. You made a video a while back but l don't see it in your setup:(
I’m in the position of having too many devices and to little space at the moment. I need too remake the studio I guess.
I still use the Force though! Things just move in and out of there so from now and then :)
@@AccurateBeats l just wanted to know how do like it so far?
mojo drum I like it a lot! It’s very competent! I just have a small problem with using touch screens in general. It makes it feel more like an iPad than I like. The workflow benefits and the overall possibilities of the Force are huge and it’s definitely a beast if a machine. It’s not perfect and I’m still waiting for more updates but yeah... it’s really great!
MC 707 or Akai Force ?
can it record & edit samples ?
Found your review much more straightforward than the loo pop and bobeats reviews! (As great as they are) thanks!!!
Thank you!
best review of mc707 yet!
Oh, thank you!
Your studio monitors are in the wrong listening position for accurate monitoring
👍
I know. I’m also deaf on one ear and about to position both of monitors on the left :)
It might be wrong but I do 99% of my mixing in my headphones, switching the stereo back and forth. The monitors are used more for playing music for fun than for mixing.
Thanks anyways. I know this isn’t great, my room isn’t treated either... parts of my studio still needs a lot of work :)
Accurate Beats yes, Try pulling them out of the corner as well as you will get bass frequencies trapped behind your speaker
I have recently bought MC707 van synchronisation to D a W is ridiculous how are you finding it?
Was thinking about buying ERM multi clock to solve the issue
Maybe you could do a video on synchronisation🤔
do you like the pads? i mean they are very good playable, but they feel ugly. to hard :(
hey accurate beats i have an idear for a video u can make the thing is i was thinking after i watched your video maybe if you take and link sp404 a into mc707 via midi in and out and mix 'L/R into line L/R so you can use the sequencer in 707 to chop samples from 404 that will be a nice video then you can make drums in 707 and make a nice beat that way i like to see someone doing that eny way good job with your channel and hope all the best for you with your surgery i root for you many greetings julius from denmark
Seems like a nice machine!
Can you record drums live?
It can record anything live! :)
Thanks for watching
@@AccurateBeats sorry meaning can you record finger drumming with quantization off?
guy taib yeah! 100%
I would have hated it if it couldn’t do that! Both drums and synth notes can be played in without quantization!
@@AccurateBeats ok that makes it appealing! Together with sp 404 pretty good set up.
Yeah, why no click/metronome? Same on the TR8S...
This has already been added in a firmware update V1.02 :-)
Back in the day on the MC505 all of your drums were on the “R” track but you could mute each one and track each sound in separately can you do that on the 707?
yeah, thats what i been tryin to figure out.
Mines in storge atm so i cant fish it out to check, but this unit NEEDS legacy MC mute options.
IMO the top row of 16 smaller scene (and step record) buttons should be assignable to scatter or mute, or scenes or mute memories, or a combo of mute memories and scenes.
Hell even using the track select button under the slider as a mute would be workable..
This machine needs more tweakability and customisation.
The 2 rows of 8 pads, should be optioned to be set up to behave like the legacy MC's.
This pad 1 ( top left) is its respective rythm track. Activate the individual mutes in that drum track with a hit of the shift key or turn the 16 step record buttons into mutes for the 16 pads in whatever drum track is selected.
Make sense?
Using legacy mute set up is much more efficient than shifting from one mode to another.
The top row of 8 pads operates IDENTICALLY to the legacy MC's.. and track one is default drum track "R" track.
Or as there are 16 pads/sounds in said drum track, just plop them along the step recorder... its not as pretty but it's functional as a mute shortcut
I THINK scatter would be a way to work around this instant access weakness, or use the MC707 max4live and vst editor.
Thats all i can think of..
@@PedroAnastazi Yeah it doesn’t so I returned mine. I’m disappointed in the whole operation of it anyways. Screen to small the 909 had a nice screen. More menu diving than there needs to be. Fail for me sticking to my ipad lol
MC-707 mk2 coming?
frign hope so, but id anticipate a keyboardless 8 track fantom box based on the mc909 form factor though..
I dont see the MC707 gettin much more than basic OS fw updates from here on in.. .sadly..
make a new vid on the new update please! getting one now for sure! :)
I already did. :)
@@AccurateBeats awehness! getting mine sent to me on monday, and now that I just got the hang of my octatrack I cant wait to feed it loops from the mc-707 for live re-sampling/mangling. selling both my mpc live and maschine mk3 now to avoid that GAS life.. ;) looking forward to the video!
Hope your doing well :-)
I think I'd rather have the MC-707 then the Akai Force, just bc I like Roland products. Any chance you could do a first look at Hydrasynth?
The hydra synth seems really really cool! Unfortunately I won’t be able to make a video on it in a while. Maybe later, who knows? :p
I have a mc 808. she has the metronome. Pre-registration why not leave it on a newer model? and it's so bad for the memory (1min) and the choping samples. do not you think that it would have been necessary to change the way of storage. sd card it limits me already on mc 808.
I meant pre count and there is also an undo button on the 808
If you put in a ram expansion you can get a lot more sampling time out of youre mc 808
no pre-count or undo?
c'mon, Roland!
Does the MPC Live allow one the same capabilities, when it comes to using internal sounds for music making. I'm interested in having a piece of kit that would allow me to use both the step sequencer and the live playing (manual input) like you showed here..with the 32steps phrase.
I'm not much into using sampling myself..so I thank you for showing off some of the very capable internal sound library sounds, on the 707.
Can you do that with the MPC Live ?
V4D2 MPC Headz will know! The MPC live has loads of cool features for sampling, step sequencing and launching clips / or sequences.
Luke&Line Hey man ,
thanks for this!
What a bump in empathy and human altruism, hehe.
Didn’t know him, and i am already watching 1 of his videos.
much appreciated ;)
@@V4D2 nice one! Yeh enojoy he's gret and the reason I picked up a Live / started a YT. Enjoy!
Too bad about the low memory....
They updated the sampler am I right ?
ps : subed ;)
Yeah, I made an entire video on that too. It’s way better now
your just filthy rich huh O_O
I find your video to be more comprehensive than the ones frol Loopop or BoBeats. Thank you for another perspective.
The words "future update" should never be thought of with a Roland product. If you don't like it 100% today, you never will.
really? Thats sad. I really wish they would
Happy to say that in this case you are incorrect; Roland have already provided two excellent updates of the 707 which give us metronome, sample editing and song mode, many of the things people have been saying they were missing. The 707 is an excellent instrument!