EPIC FAIL!!!!! The Kone EcoDisc Scenic elevator is having major issues & breaking on camera!
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- Filmed on March 28, 2015: ⚠️WARNING⚠️: This video contains some inappropriate language. Be advised before proceeding. And I also do apologize for sounding roughly immature in this video as well. I was a lot younger at that time, so hopefully this would clear out the situation. But anyways, this was one of my favorite glass elevator here in the middle of Sugar Land, TX. that NOW having a functioning problem! Watch how badly this elevator is acting. So Highway 6, FIX YOUR ELEVATOR!!!!!!!!!!!
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Copyright 2015
Two main problems here: first, something isn’t right with the brakes. On pretty much every MRL (machine room-less) lift ever, the main brakes take the form of an electromagnetic clutch on the main pulley which the motor is attached to. It sounds like the brakes weren’t coming off properly. This mechanism is also why you will hear a semi-loud clunk when the lift starts and stops. It’s completely normal to hear this and they all do it. It works exactly the same way as the air conditioner on your car. When the electromagnet engages, the clutch plates are squeezed together which allows the entire assembly to turn, otherwise it disconnects. If there’s something wrong with the clutch assembly and it’s sticking on, which is something that might happen when a contact in the contractor that controls it welds itself shut, it can do things in the exact manner described. The controller thinks it’s off, but it’s not.
The next thing is that the lift hit its final limit. In the top and bottom of every shaft, there are four mechanical switches. First slowdown, second slowdown, normal limit, and final limit.
The first two switches tell the controller that it’s nearing the end of its run, and to start slowing down. Once it hits the normal limit, that is where it should stop in order to be nice and level with the top or bottom floor. However, a bit beyond the normal limit, is the final limit. Under no circumstance is the lift ever allowed to touch it. If it does, this basically signals to the controller that something is very wrong, jam on brakes and cut power now. Once it hits the finals, the controller shuts down and the lift will not move again until a mechanic comes out and resets it. You can press buttons and play with keys as much as you want, you can put the thing into fire service if you want, once it’s dead, it’s dead.
That jolting inside that elevator might be a strong one, causing the entire elevator to shake.
I really admire your passion for elevators. It may not be one of my interests, but it's truly inspiring.
You deserved more comment likes
I think when it malfunctioned and went up past the floor when you hit 1 at the end, the elevator probably hit the final limit switch causing it to break to the point where it wouldn't close or do anything else.
it even said "Out Of Service" on the indicator! xD
@@DriftingSofa Well spotted!
Another indication was when the Door Hold button flashed at 7:03.
Some possible causes of the fail are that the safety chain was broken somehow, maybe one of the doors wasn't properly closed. When it stopped at the top most floor, it must have overtravelled, striking the overtravel limit switch. A professional should be able to sort it out easily.
"I don't think I want to ride this elevator again let's go to one." LOL
This elevator is broken this elevator is messed up... continues to ride it lol...WHOAAAAAAAAAAAA
The elevator is broken
This elevator has a major problem (press 1 - 3 - 2 door close) this elevator is messd up (press door close - 3) it doesn´t work ....ah yes, it won´t move but let´s try again... are we stuck ? Woooohooowww ( press door close....) and so on. Wow. I´m impressed. But maybe the elevator is broken.... :-P He needed almost 8 minutes to accept using the staircase....
Durrr I hope I don’t get stuck lol
yes, "I hope I dont get stuck" *does everything he can to try to get stuck*
bigpopparand1 Ikr hahaha
"I don't think I wanna ride it agai...Let's go to 1" lol
Yes
I used to work with lifts. It was a very 'uplifting' job. it had its 'ups and downs'
Soon I will work with elevators and other kinds of electronic machines.
@@pauldecoste4303 cangrats for that
I get the joke lol
Good one.
5:33 It tried to go higher.
Okay, if I were you, I would have called building management immediately. Someone could have easily gotten stuck in that thing, and the jolts and the over-leveling show that something is really wrong with that elevator. When an elevator is malfunctioning that badly, it becomes a safety issue that needs to be addressed. Anyway, still a wonderful testament to KONE quality.
That clunk you hear from the machineroom, or motor in this case, seen as ecodiscs are mostly MRL, is the brakes coming off, but in this case they immediately got on again and broke down the lift
Yeesh, that's a scary malfunction. From what I've heard, newer Kone's in the US don't run well or constantly break down.
I've ridden a few Kone models even the newer models and never had a problem, usually they're well maintained.
In europe Kone elevators are the best and otis are the wors for some reason
Notice how near the end of the video when Jim tries to get the elevator to work the door a hold button lights up automatically by itself twice, I wonder if the thing was trying to reprogram itself.
Probably it was an error code.
Overreacting on a broken lift.. Even people here in the comments about horror movies and stuff. You won't die in there. Just notify the reception or so and it will get fixed.
Richard van Pukkem with the sounds it was making i can see why people would be scared. sounded like it was going to drop
Elevators aren't much different than cars. They require maintenance, and occasionally parts will be bad from a supplier.
It's possible this elevator is being serviced by a completely different company (so not Kone's fault a repair hasn't been done), the repair isn't covered by warranty (so the building owner would have to pay to fix), or quote honestly, the maintenance team hasn't stopped in yet to know there is an issue.
Instead of getting on the elevator, and freaking out when you were stuck...why not just call the Kone customer service line and report a problem? It may not be your responsibility, but what is the point of the video?
Is it to just trash a company that may or may not be aware of an issue or is it to make sure others don't get stuck?
If there stuck how can there go to a reception and not all flats and skyscraper don't have receptions
@@wendysteele4508 Some good points you made there.
However I encountered several lifts like and most of them has the same logic controller (LCE CPU 40) which is a easy logic to use if you done alot of research on it.
But the thing is however this lift or as you guys call it an elevator reacted I think all the lift needed was a reset because what I see from the lift the lift just attempted to relevel and though it wasn't aline with the floor (hence why it did with the doors open) It's happened to me before and all I did was reset it, shut the doors by hand and used the inspection panel on the logic controller cabinet on the top floor, enabled Inspection and then drove the lift down a bit and put it into service again and then wait for the lift to shoot to the buttom floors and eventually find it's position and then it will run like nothing has happened to it.
I don't think it would be hard for any maintenance company to diagnose and fix it and yes anyone can try and call a maintenance company to come and fix it.
get it fixed.
@@haroldflower8008 Oh ffs these have safety brakes etc safety things... Why are you overreacting😂
That elevator needs help! Would like to forget my experience on the one that I got stuck in.
This is sad it's a really nice elevator cab looks great though!
I have a huge fear of elevators I would just take the stairs
Me to
If the elevator has a problem why would you stay on the elevator and risk getting stuck. That is crazy.
Because through natural selection, some people are born with less intelligence as was displayed here.
because its his job, youtuber. i would call 911 or get out asap
@@dtvfan24 Just get out, unless you're trapped emergency responders don't need to be bothered with elevator problems.
Would anyone here do the same thing? maybe not
usually if an elevator is acting stupid, I send it up and down a few times without riding in it first... lol
These are machines, not magical transporters. They need regular maintenance to remain reliable, like any car.
Did you notice that the door hold button was lit before you left the Kone EcoDisc elevator?
There is a problem with the brake, and drive system. The safety shutoffs are engaging. It's running out of control basically, and the safety switches are engaging.
Maybe it's trying to move with the brakes still applied. Its brake coil must be defective.
By the way, is this elevator new? If it is, then they just need to adjust the brake shoe tension. ;)
EDIT: yep, the brake shoes seem to be adjusted a bit too tight.
I think this elevator is like about a couple of years old. I don't know when this was installed.
true
No, it's just that Kone EcoDisc is garbage about 75% of the time
But 15% of Kone EcoDiscs are really nice
@@spectregang505 Come to Uk and see EcoDiscs here. You will DEFINITELY change your mind!
KONE Ecodiscs are always my favorite MRL lift
I think the brake is defective. First, it probably tried to move with the brakes still applied. Then the brake probably didn’t engage at the right time, therefore it hit the final limit and won’t do anything until someone manually resets it.
I'm glad I never broke an elevator yet. I just hope this doesn't change.
1:50 Machine Room/Shaft: THUD
Jim: WHOA
not surprised, will not be surprised when i see more ecodiscs like this in the future (especially at roosevelt field, garden city, ny)
Probably something to do with the display showing that its in firefighters mode, and you don't have the key, this is a bit special and it means that the public shouldn't be able to use the elevator. except to floors with designated exits, like an emergency exit on the top level, or the ground floor with a public exit, It's in a firefighter mode designed to save your life when there's a fire. Why it is in that mode I cannot tell. That's usually related to the owner of the building and their building management team.
You mean inspection mode lol
Also known as a failevator
Haha
LOL 😂 😂 😂 😂 nice
Lol
Agreed horrible failavator
Nice joke.
look at 6:51 and then continue watching and you will see DH aka door hold started flashing
Ikr 🤢
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That elevator seriously needed help... I wonder how it’s running now in 2019, but when this was filmed it was in bad shape... If you look closely at 5:31, you notice how the doors move slowly open, meaning the elevator slowly opened its doors, then the controller shut off. The elevator didn’t entirely lose power otherwise the fan and buttons would’ve turned off, as well as the indicator. But the door hold button flashed at 7:03 probably indicating the elevator was out of service. On some KONE elevators (I think UK ones), there is a red text at the bottom saying “OUT OF SERVICE”, but I’m not sure. At a mall near where I live, there is a KONE KSS 370 elevator in Macy’s just like this, but it’s hydraulic, 2 floors, and non-scenic. The elevator has some leveling problems. I recently visited there and it took 15 SECONDS to level while going up, but only 3 going down. And that’s not all. It also re-levels a lot when it stops. Anyway, to conclude this, I think the elevator is just going through a tough time and hopefully is working well now, because it sure looks nice.
Oops, I accidentally put my own name at the beginning of this comment! 😂
1:53
Elevator.exe has stopped working
I'll bet there's a running tally in the computer that locks it open if it has more than x number of error conditions, in hopes of preventing an entrapment.
LegoTekFan486 Never thought of that.. Seems likely, or it’s the max limit switch
i was in a kone elevator today. i called it and it came. As I went in it jumped. (I don't know if it was re-leveling Then an out of service flashed up but then it started moving normally. Could this be logic/controller problem?
1:50 that cars just going past and the passangers laughing at you.
I don’t think I wanna ride it again………… Let’s go on floor 1 😂😂😂
This whole experience was so awkward to me! What I meant was that I just wanted to get off at 1 and leave. I didn't even expect it breaking down leaving me stranded on the 3rd floor. LOL!! XD
80% from the video: this elevator is broken
The other 20% "this elevator is messed up"
There is no motor room for a KONE Ecodisc elevator. It's probably a controller room
I'll guess that it's a KSS 370. This is because of the floor indicator, which looks like the KSS 300, except, it has a dot matrix indicator instead of a 7-segment indicator
Epic Fail. Just Like Andrew’s Video at the Central Building in Clayton, MO
This was Kone’s version of the General Dover in Clayton. Lol
Sounds like it tries to move and it trips out one of the relays which is why you hear a bang. And the motor is locked up so when it tries to move, it can't so you hear the buzzing of the motor trying to move the car.
Also, next time, just get out of the elevator right away and tell the building management that there is a serious issue with the elevator and nobody should use it. Have them call Kone or their service technician asap.
There were no building staffs on duty anywhere. This is a little shopping strip, so there are not anyone here, except for customers, who works in this facility.
PotatoLift1 they are relays .. its controlled by a v3f drive n relay to supply power to the motor.. n there are relays controlling doors n safety cct
Saw a couple of spectralert advance P2R horn strobes as well as 2 smokes in the elevator shaft
5:35 Over run!
Samsung
Oh, do they really ship elevators with door closing buttons outside Finland lol
Yea
1:10 This is an MRL (Machine-Room-Less) Elevator, so there is no machine room:) This elevator has some serious problems with the VF Drive, I can hear the motor "cranking" trying to start but eventually,it gives up... 5:27 elevator is trying to go higher than the top floor and it triggers the safety overrun switch located in the shaft
Nice elevator to ride... What is going on the how stuck it on this elevator be going? This elevator needs fixtures.
+MATTHEW SCIENCEMAN This thing has a motor issue I believe. I have check on this and it now works fine.
+MATTHEW SCIENCEMAN
fixtures means buttons design, service is the word. Correct me if im wrong
ohhh i remember this video, i used to love watching your videos as a kid, i remember my old joke comment now! :D
This video is the reason why I fear Kone.
Yes! Exactly.
Weird malfunction of a KONE EcoDisc elevator. The elevator is broken first(stuck at 2nd floor), then it temporarily fixes itself and suddenly, it is broken again with the same problem. (stuck & over-levered at the 3rd floor).
i love that when u got kinda stuck and it opened and then u tryed again, i would of ran away from that thing-
On 3, highest floor. Press 1, going down. Doors close. KONE says "Damn you I'm going another 3 inches up and breaking."
DieselElevators xD
XD
LOL
Seems like something straight out of a horror film.. I can't believe my eyes.
When I’m trying to go down to 0 floor, the elevator is completely broken and I took the stairs and it closed and then opened by itself
By the look of it, the fault is in the door closed bar. It is either broken or not being pushed up enough.
Elevator: *gets called* call register config. : nope call button : , *light turns off* jim : well its broken
The only thing that matters is that the building is right by an Arby's. THEY HAVE THE MEATS!
That elevator needs major maintenance so it could remain functional. I personally wouldn't want to get stuck inside an elevator and have a feeling that it could free fall
Maybe put a Otis series 7 elevator in
Is a bottom-driven MiniSpace EcoDiscs?
No, it's top driven.
Woah this doesn’t just need repairs KONE ecodisks tend to have tons of trouble. This needs an Otis M2 Mod
I sometimes come here from time to time to pick up food and I love living in sugar land, as I live here.
i have a feeling these lifts in usa are built differently from the uk.
Rahan2003 they are
No offence to the US but the lifts over there tend to break more than the lifts in the UK
Yea they clearly do as they have different standards and manufacturing procedures
Not as bad as China though
They are built differently. I can’t say my entire opinion on it, but what I know is design here is different, more generic, I guess cheaper, but I live in America, and there are definitely some exciting elevators as well. I personally really like American elevators.
Now we're talking Kone! This explains why they're so terrible in the US.
I don’t think I would’ve stepped in it lol
Did it eventually get fixed?
Yea probably
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Kone Elevator
UK: They are the best
US: They are the worst
In Europe, it’s the opposite. Kones are very reliable.
Oh man, it was working perfect when you took it on a ride for a couple times, but then it broke down man elevators sometimes but I still like them although I’m just glad I’ve never gotten stuck in between floors before
The shaft control is broke a little bit tho.
And I like the elevator tho.
Biggest lift fail for me was when I called it and the display said I was coming up from lg then after 15 seconds(it's average travel time) and it didnt open nor did the indicator change thankfully it came after a second call
looks like it was a motor issue with the controller and motor its trying to move with the brakes still engaged causing the shuttering as it tries to pull thru the brakes then the controller does wierd and over travels and shuts down thing needs help hope to see a retake of this one this year
Which KONE is this? Sounds hydraulic so probably an EcoSpace but which is it?
EcoSpace is traction only, not hydraulic. this elevator was installed in 2010 and Kone hydraulic models for discontinued in 2007.
@@JimLiElevators Oh, right, sorry my bad, just double-checked, you're right, also, i agree, it is a very nice elevator, just not acting right..
Also, i love your videos a lot, can you remember me when you get infinity subs XDDDDDD
@@JimLiElevators There are a lot of KONE EcoSpaces and MonoSpace 500s here where i live, also, there's an unknown Schindler elevator in my apartment building, probably mod. but is there any way for me to identify it?
1:37 OMG where did you get this from, is it original ?
It is original, and I got it from some of the elevator technicians.
@@JimLiElevators WOW
This elevator is going crazy, Are you kidding me?!
I used to live in Sugarland Texas.
Georgef551 would love this elevator.
Now this is pure Kone quality.
I think its stopped there if its not used in a while, then it starts working!
this elevator over leveled more! holy Christ
That is what happens when you ride a broken lift?!
at 7:03 it started flashing it could mean DL aka door lock or it could be NIS out of service
I saw that the ULc12 has crashed and the Smilian fall with the bump!
The elevator so messed up I hope it's fixed
Wow cool lift
I've been saying Kone as "cone" for years :/
ice cream kone?
Guess what? Beno says it as "Cone" as well, on purpose!
You realise that’s how it’s pronounced...
@@Rb_2103 Ko-Nay.
@@CityLifeinAmerica sorry, but as usually the Americans have got this pronunciation wrong 🤷🏼♂️it’s ‘Cone’
This is definitely a pretty messed up elevator! I think they should've chosen ThyssenKrupp instead. Great video as always and hopefully they fixed this by now.
I recently rode a really bad thyssenkrupp elevator. It jolts when going up, its slow, it sounds like it low on oil, etc.
It doesn't matter what brand it is, if it's not maintained, they will have problems in the future.
I Love KONE Ecodisc Elevators
Oh, I forgot to say, at the end of this video, you were trying to go down to 1st floor, this lift was supposed to go down but it went opposite ways and now it’s completely broken because of it.
What was that sound is that why it was broken
Relay stopped?
It probably hit the final limit switch when it jolted up.
it moves up to release the brake then goes down so it probably overleved and moved up to release brake then hit limit switch or with the synchronize motor it was jolting to sync the phases
AIVideos The EcoDisc should only jolt and snap to phase only when in manual, and being controlled by the cartop controls. It shouldn't (or rarely should) Snap to phase in normal service.
That’s Kone for ya.
Kone elevators are pretty good though.
Omfg they have those exact same elevator at a mall nearby where I live and when you go downwards or upwards it vibrates and shakes so much I hate that thing
I don’t wanna ride this.
Proceeds to ride it up and down multiple times.
How have you been lately? I haven’t even heard from you in so long!
@@JimLiElevators I’ve been great. I think you still have my number but if you don’t text me, 4802779265! I’ll delete this comment after you text lol.
@@CityLifeinAmerica No not anymore. Anyways…wait, how did I happened to have your phone number before? I don’t think I even remember meeting you at all face-to-face other than just me seeing your channel.
@@JimLiElevators Probably through Hanny or Patrick.
That is my literal worst fear right there
Memories...
Hey, this elevator is next to my favorite restaurant! :D. And jeez. Talk about Krappy cheapness of a KONE.
I know!!! Right?
@@JimLiElevators from what I know, outside america Kones are pretty good. To be honest elevators seem worse in US.
ive heard this sound before on a different elevator same thing happend it would'nt go up or down and its just the brakes sticking because i got access to the motor room
EDIT: or mabye its the emergency brakes