Palisade vs Sawatch? Which Katabatic Gear quilt for a thru-hike of the PCT?
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- čas přidán 23. 02. 2020
- Side-by-side comparison! Which ultralight quilt is right for a thru-hike of the PCT? I made the switch for some very important reasons.
In this video, I do a side-by-side comparison of both the Katabatic Gear Palisade 30 and Sawatch 15 sleeping quilts. Both are incredible quilts and perfect for thru-hiking the Pacific Crest Trail. But which one will I be taking with me hiking on the PCT this year? As part of my gear list for the trail it's a fantastic bit of kit to get right and both are ultra-lightweight, ultra-packable for their size and so comfortable and cuddly.
You can buy the quilts here:
EU/UK customers:
Palisade: www.outdoorline.sk/en/quilts/...
Sawatch: www.outdoorline.sk/en/quilts/...
US Customers
Palisade: katabaticgear.com/shop/palisa...
Sawatch: katabaticgear.com/shop/sawatc...
BTW, I MADE THIS INCREDIBLE BIT OF GEAR
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Kit list as of June 2020:
Backpacks
Atom+: bit.ly/31oHlFF
ULA Circuit: bit.ly/37XbigX
SHELTERS
Stratospire 2: bit.ly/317A9gS
Zpacks Solplex: bit.ly/2CtyJmr
SLEEP SYSTEMS
Katabatic Sawatch: bit.ly/3fWSxNM
Katabatic Palisade: bit.ly/3ewt5OL
Neoair Xlite: bit.ly/2YrKSB4
FOOTWEAR
Altra Lone Peak 4.0: bit.ly/2B5fHm8
Gaiters - Altra gaiters: bit.ly/37ViBFY
CLOTHING
Waterproof shells
Rohan Helix: bit.ly/37ZKbSo
OR Helium 2: bit.ly/3fVmzBq
Frogg Toggs: bit.ly/2Nqlrth
Insulated jackets
Patagonia Micropuff Hoodie: bit.ly/2YwQZ7f
Trespass Rustler: bit.ly/3i0HODx
Base layers
Ice Breaker base layer: bit.ly/3eGSdlG
Shirts
Rohan Expedition: bit.ly/388teWl
Shorts
Patagonia Striders: bit.ly/2Npw2EX
Hats
REI desert cap: bit.ly/3hWUKdJ
Berghaus beanie: bit.ly/31dGvvi
Sunglasses
Sungods: bit.ly/2zZ0wKG
Gloves
Salomon gloves: bit.ly/2ByVMMf
Ski gloves: bit.ly/383TCQX
Socks
Injinjis: bit.ly/3dwpmPG
Darn Toughs: bit.ly/3hX28G2
Sealskinz: bit.ly/3hXAnNG
NB Flat Knit: bit.ly/31e0Dx1
Mosquito net
Smidge: bit.ly/2B8d9DH
Buff
Camino Buff: bit.ly/31awGho
FILM AND SOUND
Phone
iPhone 11 Pro Max: bit.ly/2NosT83
Drones
DJI Mavic Air 2: bit.ly/31oIn4v
DJI Mavic Air 1: bit.ly/2VbNn8E
Cameras
Canon M50: bit.ly/3eyCPrQ
Sony RX100V: bit.ly/2NqQOUy
Mics
Röde Micro: bit.ly/2Npt1nX
Tripods
Gorilla Pod 1K: bit.ly/31c74Rf
Gorilla Pod 500: bit.ly/3ewApts
Manfrotto Action: bit.ly/2Ys689O
NAVIGATION
GPS units
Garmin InReach Mini: bit.ly/384Keg4
Garmin GPS Map 66i: bit.ly/3dxY4bI
Compass
Silva Field: bit.ly/31aS3iD
WATER TREATMENT
Filter
Sawyer Squeeze: bit.ly/2YwRJt3
Purifying drops
Aquamira drops: bit.ly/3euuQM9
Water storage
Cnoc Vecto 2L: bit.ly/31e1AFB
ELECTRONICS
Power banks
20,000mah: bit.ly/2NnBQyA
13,000mah: bit.ly/3hZhvOg
GPS tracking watch
Garmin Forerunner 35: bit.ly/3drJUc9
Wall chargers
UK : bit.ly/2BxbgQW
US : bit.ly/3dpUIrb
Data
Apple SD reader: bit.ly/2VfnnsW
EQUIPMENT
Lights
NU25: bit.ly/2Z5S70p
H2R Nova: bit.ly/2BB5fCV
Tiki: bit.ly/3hXBKfi
Ice axe
Grivel Helix: bit.ly/2Z6e0Nm
Trekking poles
Alpine Carbon Cork: bit.ly/3hXWiUL
Traction
Microspikes: bit.ly/3fQC5hV
Stove
MSR Pocket Rocket 2: bit.ly/2Vfl4WL
Spoons and knives
TITO titanium spoon: bit.ly/3ey0oAT
Victorinox mini classic: bit.ly/2Yr7dP8
Poop trowel
Deuce of Spades trowel: bit.ly/3i7H3c6
Sit pad
Kumfie pad: bit.ly/3euvJnX
Tent stakes
Tarptent stakes: bit.ly/3hZik9O
MSR Mini Ground Hogs: bit.ly/3ew7VAe
OEX Y-shaped stakes: bit.ly/31bAnnd
Tent poles
Zpacks carbon fibre tent poles: bit.ly/3du14pM
Ground sheet
Polycryo ground sheet: bit.ly/37XLmBW
STORAGE
Pack liners and pods
Atom Packs DCF pack liner: bit.ly/2YrMPxo
Heacy-duty rubble sacks: bit.ly/31dqPba
Dry bags and stuff sacks
Sea to Summit 4L Nano: bit.ly/3hVi8Z3
OEX 2L dry bag: bit.ly/3dx6qjX
Katabatic Gear silynylon stuff sack: bit.ly/3expU9n
Pouches and wallets
Zpacks DCF Wallet: bit.ly/2VgbQcL
Zpacks DCF utility pouch: bit.ly/2CuHAEq
Food storage
Loksak OPSak: bit.ly/2Nq2VkD
Ziploc freezer bags: bit.ly/2Z8GOVz
MISC ITEMS
Bodyglide: bit.ly/2Nt5Wka
Carmex lip balm: bit.ly/31bqBRW
Lifesystems Nano first aid kit: bit.ly/37XVv1v
Croakies eyewear retainer: bit.ly/2B8fmit
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I’ve been extremely pleased with my Katabatic Flex 30. Beautiful build quality, materials that feel nice against the skin, and excellent engineering on things like the foot box baffle, snaps and zippers. Absolutely worth the money and I plan on using it for years to come. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Cheers Paul! They make some really good equipment those guys. All the best.
Thank you. I must confess that the price range of these make this an exercise in just 'wishful thinking'. But the critical factor for me in long distance hiking IS weight. Weight shapes the walk into either a chore or a joy. So, if you can afford this kit, then absolutely why not!
Your videos are very informative. Thank you for sharing.
Lovely quilts. Definitely after a palisade still. Awesome vid loved the overlay and the comparisons
Cheers bud! Yeah both wicked quilts.
Can't wait to get my Palisade 😍
It’s an amazing quilt dude. May you send me a photo of it new? I’d be interested to see what it looks like compared to my one.
@@thetrailhunter4469 I'm hoping to order one at end of next month buddy.
Thanks for choosing a company that uses responsibly sourced down 🙏
I had problems closing the neck button on my quilt as well. Closing the buttons before sticking your head through the hole is a good solution.
They’re the best quilts I swear. Thank you!!
Thank you for the review. I would like to order a katabatic flex for the pct in 2022. Do you think 22 will be enough or will I have to use a 15f?
Hello Mr.Trailhunter, do you know how much did it cost you shipping plus taxes for one quilt from US to UK? (roughly)
I wonder what’s your opinion of the Cumulus Quilt 450 for the PCT.
Hey! Is this the same slate blue color as the current model online?
Sweet sawwatch!!! PCT can't wait hurry up he he 👣 peace Geeza
Hah wahooo!!! Cheers bro!
Thanks for the vid! I'm about to get a flex 22 or 15. I'm back and forth between the two. I'm afraid the 15 will be too hot in the warm months and the 22 will be too warm if/when it goes down to 15* F. Why did you go from a 30* to a 15* and not the Alsek 22? Comments from other viewers are welcomed. Looking forward to following you on the PCT.
I have the 15 flex but its overkill for Irish summer weather, but it will be good getting into Oct and onwards. But it truly is the most beautiful quilt/sleeping bag Ive ever had
@@kpj5 Hello , can you please tell me from what temperature does it start to be too warm according to you with your quilt 15F? Actually I hesitate between the 22 and the 15....
Thanks in advance
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I had the same dilemma, but sounds like a 22f will be fine for me as I plan to use in UK mostly. April - October. and I still have my sleeping bag if I venture into winter camping
I used the Alsek on the CDT and it was perfect. I used a 20F Cumulus bag on the PCT that was equally perfect. I worry that the Sawatch would be too hot on the PCT tbh, but hyoh.
Yeah sure, I guess with a quilt I can stick out a limb or two if I get too hot and then if it's chilly I have a warm quilt. Haha and yes, always HYOH folks!
Hey Dan, so your opinion for a thru hike on AT, PCT or CDT would be the flex 22 over the flex15? What type of sleeper are you; cold, avg., warm?
Having the ability to have an extra quilt is nice especially on that is warmer, my only problem is when I pack the warmer one it is a bit harder to pack into the pack takes a little more room, Any pro tips?
Yeah the Sawatch is much puffier. I tend to pack it in the bottom without a stuff sack or packing pod and it takes up more negative space. Maybe put your clothes in the quilt first and that will save room instead of having a dry bag for the clothes.
The Trail Hunter Thanks for the feedback, I’ll try out that technic currently using the HMG with POD’s...keeping everything uniformed and rides well
The hood Katabatic sells is nice. Especially when you start getting down towards 20.
Wicked, I’ll check that out 👌
It’s nice that it’s modular. Bring it if you need it, leave it home if you don’t. I use mine in a mummy as well. You can theoretically wear it around camp as well.
Will probably be going for either an 2 oz overstuffed Alsek or a Sawatch for my CDT Thru next year! I sleep quite warm but probably worth the weight for the comfort!
For a Catabatic Gear quilt, I would go for the Chisos.
But I'm a warm sleeper, I currently use an Enlightened Equipment Revalation 50F quilt for all my 3-season hiking, well into the shoulder seasons, I've used it plenty of times in close to frost and even in frost with a fleece shirt and an extra pair of socks without problems.
If I was to hike the PCT, I would add a puffy jacket and down booties for added warmth on mountain crossings with known sub freeze conditions for added warmth, and I would be fine with the EE revalation... or the Chisos if I would go for a CG quilt.
The added possibility of multiple/wider range of uses is a welcome bonus.
On the other hand, to save a few ounce of sleeping gear and literally loose sleep over it isn't worth it, I gladly add a few ounces on a wide sleeping pad because I know I get a poor sleep on a regular sized one, so my sleep system in total weigh as much as if I had a regular sized pad and a 30F quilt.
Cool Dan! Thanks for the info. Maybe I’ll try some down booties and a funky down hat at some point. 🤙
@@thetrailhunter4469
I sure like them, and it works for me.
But I sure doesn't say it's the best solution for everybody, most people sleep much colder than me.
It's the solution I would go for personally, just reinforce a less insulated quilt for the few cold nights as long as the quilt is warm enough for the regular nights.
For you, if the 30F quilt is comfortable most nights, say 90-95% of the nights on the PCT, it might be a good idea to just use some extra reinforcements for the 5-10% nights that is colder.
Those prices are something else! If you are going to go for US suppliers have you ad a look at Enlightened Equipment or UGQ?
They do quilts with the same specs for virtually half the price of the Sawatch.
I recently got a Katabatic Flex 22 for $310 (850FP). Compared with EE and UGQ's, it is much cheaper, IMO. It is because that Katabatic prices include all the features and accessories (and no sales tax or shipping fee). Considering many add-on's and missing features, EE or UGQ did not make sense. Also, due to temperature rating difference, 10F of EE/UGQ may be compared with Katabatic 22. I am glad that I went with Katabatic. Just my opinion.
This quilt was sent in by outdoorline.sk I’m a lucky man. 👌
I've used EE quilts and UGQ and finally settled on the Sawatch and Palisade for year round use. The quilts from EE and UGQ are both excellent quality, and do a great job. Katabatic, is kind of on another level though... They're so much warmer for temperature rating, more comfortable (IMO), and overall just a higher quality. There is a lot I could say about the reasons I prefer them over both EE and UGQ, but I will just say that I believe it is worth the additional cost :)
@@jaykraemer8106 Totally agree. Excellent quilts.
Sawatch is a mountain range in colorado- pronounced “suh-watch” =]
Legend.
Why didn´t you go with a European manufacturer like Cumulus ? . Could have gone custom and sill have change left.
Because I really like these quilts.
Did you check the weight of the Palisade when you initially got it? Blu Boy's Palisade was 41 grams over weight when he got his, so maybe yours didn't gain any weight at all.
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That’s a very good point! Mental. Maybe it was always over. A-las I shall never know. Thanks very much. 👌