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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- After confronting Truthear about selling earphones with incorrect polarity, some people, including Crinacle, attempted to defend the validity of inverted polarity.
Polarity Files Comparison: drive.google.c...
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0:00 Intro
2:46 Crinacle's Comment
#headphones #audiophile #iems #earphones #audio #speakers
Top 10 Audiophile Reviewers:
1. Rachel Hopkins (no bully!)
2. Sharur
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@@Sharur1 I deleted the comment about artistic intent and plagarasing love hina in order to prevent my lies from spreading within the channel.
@@Mr_Mess my guess would be that he says Quarks DSP if you can live with some noisefloor in silent scenes and fade in
Or KZ LingLong when he tested them in person
For context, there's a teardown of the Hexa which clearly stumped Hi-Fri Audio upon noticing the inverted polarity wirings. Cue@4.55
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I have no idea what half the sht you said meant, but I believe it.
Nice
Crinacle does not care about audio quality and if you trust him.. you will never hear 20-20k in as high fidelity as possible.
Absolutely true
Most people can't hear up to 20khz anyways unless they're a kid
A dog said to me once
Scobec outing himself as a dolphin or a cat
@@BichaelStevens I thought it was basic knowledge that human hearing is 20-20k? It's not some impossible task to hear up to 20k for many people. You don't even have to be that young
Bob Katz, what a true master. His content with Tyll was/is legendary.
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😂 No. Katz also tried to shoot down NWAvGuy saying he could hear more "details" on the LCD-X(fail right there) through his whatever other Dac than the Objective2, which was the first publicly available well-engineered project.
who said he could hear more details?
*TURBO BASS* always have the correct polarity.
lol
Polarity only matters in respect to a phase relationship to another signal. You are fundamentally misunderstanding this concept. Just because Bob Katz checks for positive polarity doesn't mean that his opinion is based on any sort of empirical evidence. The Sean Olive research that Crinacle cites is empirical evidence. But it's not clear to me that you're all that interested in being correct, just feeling so.
You are so dumb. I literally explained to you why it is audible and how this affects timbre. I can easily blind ABX virtually any song correct vs inverted polarity and tell you which version is correct unless the song is purely electronic.
Both you and crinacle are missing the entire point. This is like arguing that just because there is no empirical evidence listeners prefer lossless over 320 kbps mp3, 320 kbps mp3 is as good as lossless. The fundamental point is that lossless is higher FIDELITY and the difference is audible in blind ABX tests.
@@Sharur1 I'm pretty sure that is also a claim that has been disproven, that it is audible I mean. Of course it's technically higher fidelity.
Also cope
Sure, the pressure phase is here related back to some reference phase, in this case back to the applied voltage phase. But that voltage phase is typically defined as being zero, not relative to anything other than definition (the complex voltage phasor aligns completely with the real axis at some time T=0 that you have defined). No matter the phase of the input voltage, the phase of the system remains the same, as it is the phase difference between the output and the input. An inverted polarity system adds or subtracts 180 degree to that original system phase, so in the time-domain any input signal will mirrored around the time axis when this polarity operation is applied. If your ears are non-linear systems, then there will be an audible difference betweeen inverted or non-inverted polarity. This will vary from person to person and the test signal.
I’ve learn never to go in the whole audiophile clown world and just stick with my airpods pro.
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Critics the product, states what wrong and why should it be corrected, gets banned. What a lovely community.
Yes
They literally said "Yes, you're right but we're banning you"
It’s called society and community, both have guidelines. Knowledge without social skills will get you nowhere. You gotta play the game. If you can’t, you’ll go nowhere in any field.
@@ibassnote Yeah, that's why society as a whole has also gone nowhere in any field. In fact, we're starting to go backwards.
@@ibassnote they're not trying to get anywhere they're trying to educate people about the flaw of a product. You're offering life coaching, they're just trying to critique a product
Salam/Peace.
I like to share an example why correct polarity is essential.
1. When a drummer hiat hit a drum, the sound impulse pushes our eardrums INWARD.
2. Inverse polarity speakers/IEMs pull eardrums outward. So, it is not truly hifi.
Thank you.
nice
nobody can, sharur
yup
Crinacle is just a business man and he sees you as getting in his way
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Fax
Printer
I doubt a businessman would be telling you to not spend insane amounts on amps, and go on a big rundown on why you shouldn't treat him like a messiah.
@@BichaelStevens but they would if you want to be smart about it. Majority of the flow is in the headphones and iems. So “speaking out” against amps is relatively low risk. Where then you end up with people now trusting him because he “kept it real” over a pretty safe and riskfree advice.
I'm curious about something. The timbre of an instrument is defined by the combination of different intensities in the harmonics. How does inverted polarity interfere with that?
I explained what timbre is in the video
@@Sharur1 That was an incomplete explanation. As I said, the timbre is defined by the harmonics, I was just wondering how polarity interfered with the harmonics in order to change timbre.
As I also showed in the video, you do not hear the same harmonics with inverted vs correct polarity since you cannot hear the negative half of a waveform.
Is it easier for iem brand to make their products inverted polarity?
No
Polarity is preference 🤣🤣
lmao
When is your comprehensive audio guide releasing ? Also, can you make some inclusions of save hearing in the same ?
This weekend perhaps
@@Sharur1 got the video thanks!
But he goes for that anorexic genius nerd guy vibe how can he be wrong 👓
what
So when are we getting the TRUTHEAR x Sharur collab?
Now I can only trust Sharur on CZcams. Which cable do you use for the Variations?
Get any one you like without hooks
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Don’t idolize randos. Learn and make your own decision.
The more I see Crin talking about audio the more I realize he is the King of Low-fidelity.
So true lol
And you are the king of something?
crin should go back to reviewing a&w that kind of style really suits him
lol true
The best real--life point of reference for all electronic music is hearing it on correct polarity - as the artist most likely intended.
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Sharur, do you plan on adding the DCA Stealth to your headphone/iem spreadsheet? I'd love to see your score if you've had enough listening time with them.
i've not listened to them
Sharur how do you "explain" that both AutoEQ classification and Oratory1990 both put headphones above IEMs in relation to their adherence to the Harman target, at least in most of their measurements, headphones seem to have less deviation from the target in their stock tune, and even after applying EQ headphones on average seem to have higher predicted preference scores than IEMs based on their calculations. How do you explain this apparent contradiction? Since headphones experience a number of difficult challenges like the inside cup and outer ear reflections, the 10k dip, how can they adhere better than IEMs to the Harman curve? This is only a method artifact?
look at the formulas...
I only join Discord servers where they talk about *TURBO BASS*
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What is that lightning bolt inside your room? 4:15
idk
Yo man I have a question. Since you are an Apple fanboy, you review your music by listening to apple music compressed at 256 to 320kbps? You don't use lossless?
I use apple music lossless..:
@@Sharur1 Oh ok, I just found out there was a lossless option
cmon just french kiss the guy
damm glad I sold my Hexa and made a profit out of it for some reason
lol
Lmao epic win 😅
Hey Sharur, how do you fix inverted polarity on the Variations?
You reverse the orientation of how you connect a two pin cable to the earphones.
@@Sharur1 left pin to right piece vice versa?
@@reformierende_person if you're on Windows you can use equaliser apo to invert the channel polarity
@@megumi_0 oh cmon not that app again😂
@@reformierende_person you just rotate the connectors 180 degrees, not swap the channels
Cranacle and his little one timmy top 2 iem salesmen rn.
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any site/app where I can measure dB on my IEM?
no
@@Sharur1 wanna know if 50dB is quiet or not
@@reformierende_person 80 decibels is 8 louder so 50 is quiet.
Sharur I saw you do not like Crin-tuned IEMs another video of yours, and I’m wondering what you’d recommend for $100 or less, maybe even the $125ish mark?
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@@Sharur1 yea I gotcha, I hear you say price doesn’t matter, only sound performance/quality and nothing under $100 you would recommend. I appreciate your perspective and didn’t end up buying Crins Zero because of your video trashing it, where I criticized you for going so hard. You think the Aria Snow with added bass is decent? Or you think for that price range an over ear would be better?
Thanks for the response and wish ya all the best bud.
@@Man-EatingMushroom I'll give you an actionable answer since Sharur won't.
In that price range just go for something that you think fits your taste closest from the graphs and EQ from 20hz-5khz with the aid of graphs as reference and 6khz+ by ear. If you want something with treble that is easy to EQ by ear, go for something without weird treble peaks or dips, like the Hexa. Otherwise just go for whichever one is closest to your preferred reference target, or go for whatever has the nicest package/kit. (nice tips, case, comfortable shape, good cable, or whatever else)
Most IEMs will tolerate reasonable levels of EQ well without distortion at healthy listening volume levels. (And if they don't, they're trash) So as long as you don't mind experimenting with EQ you don't need to spend $500 on the variations just because it's the closest thing to an "objectively neutral" sounding IEM, even though Sharur would tell you otherwise.
If you don't know how to EQ or how to start, look up for tutorials on how to use EqualizerAPO for that, it's really not that hard but it can be a bit hard to build up the know how in the start without any guidance so definitely look things up when you're lost or ask in your preferred audio community for help, surely someone will be able to point you in the right direction.
Also if your primary listening device is an Android device, you can still use EQ it's just suboptimal for fiddling with fine tuning, but once you get your proper EQ filters done you can use the graphtools to input the filters and then export a file compatible with wavelet.
@@Gabrielnfs hey bud I really really appreciate you taking the time to write your answer. The biggest issue here is (yes I’m brand new to proper audio fidelity snd caring, and IEMs) I basically only use my iPhone for listening so I’m fairly positive I can’t do much EQ’ing, unfortunately.
I have some decent mid tier ANC TWS (sennheiser, beats fit pro, Anker Liberty pro 3), and I’m looking for a set of IEM with good sub bass and bass extension + kick. I mostly listen to old school hip hop and rock, and new more-lyrical rap and music as well.
Anyways I snagged the Aria Snow and couldn’t agree more with Sharur’s opinion - they’re trash, especially for $80.
I’ve got some sets in my Amazon cart but any suggestions offhand?
@@Man-EatingMushroom That's a bit harder... In the graphs basically all of the sub $100 IEMs have some wonkiness in the treble... Unfortunately I think it's going to be hard to find anything super close to neutral in this price bracket.
Maybe the KZ Linglong or the Tangzu Wan'er but they still deviate somewhat significantly in the midrange and treble and have their issues. I do know the Waner's tips were terrible for me, too, so you'd have to tip roll in case that's the same for you.
One IEM that comes really close is the Kiwi Ears Cadenza, it's a bit down tilted compared to what Sharur considers "objectively neutral" but it's pretty close in overall tonal balance, but it does have wonky treble extension with a treble peak around 12khz and then it rolls off a bit too strongly after that.
That's about the closest you'll get in the price range IMO. Hbb Khan is one that Sharur has recommended before but I don't think the graph looks that good, but maybe worth a try? I'd go for those other three though.
The good thing about it is that if you don't have the $500 to spend on a Variations or even more for something like a Monarch Mk2, then there's no point spending more than $50 on whatever you think comes closest, it really doesn't get much better until you hit that price point so you might as well not spend too much.
Btw, a tip, the "best" easily available target in squig link graphs is Banbeucmas' target, it's not perfect IMO but it comes real close to what sounds completely neutral to me (aka my own target) and also real close to what sounds neutral to Sharur (if that matters to you lmao), go for something cheap (sub $50) that graphs close to that and you'll be getting something good enough for the price.
So basically, correct polarity is higher fidelity (or higher quality audio if I'm understanding it correctly)Meaning that most new truthear headphones aren't as high quality as they should be I'm using the Hola's, Meaning that even if I connect the cable to the headphones correctly, I still won't get the correct polarity and get lower quality audio?
I don't know whether the Hola has correct polarity or not, but even if it didn't simply reversing the cable connectors 180 degrees would correct the polarity.
@Sharur so that would make the hexa's good? Cause I remember you saying in the video that the only problem with the hexas is that it has incorrect polarity. And thanks for the comment. Other than that, thanks. If truthear can't take criticism, then the hola's will be the last product I'll buy.
@@ezoez7548 No, it needs EQ
50 db? I think you cant even hear certain elements in a song at that level. Great content though. Love how you relay your research to us.
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sorda broke my hearth when crin shilled the truthear hola
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i am not an expert, but from a previous video you did on the topic of inv polarity, you mentioned its enough to flip the pins on the cable, is there no way to fix this in android settings or something? since flipping the pins requires a cable without heat shrink to be bent the other way and I don't want to ruin a cable accidentally...
idk about android
just get a cable without ear hooks
@@Sharur1 it feels kinda wasteful, besides those cables without hooks are oddly expensive...this totally feels like it could be fixed in software but maybe its more complex if it wasnt done yet
@@mistaBorg i use hair dryer heat the earhook plastic , when it becomes soft, i change the shape of earhook. Repeat few times process, the earhook will become reverse.
@@mistaBorg easy to fix in windows with equalizerapo, no idea about android though
weirdly the electronic song was the easier for me to distinguish. it sounds more mono/centered
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I am normal people who only can enjoy music at normal polarity. Normal polarity Blessing 2 far more musical than reverse polarity.
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Normal people don’t buy high end IEMS. This is a very small demographic that cares about audio.
Could you send me your Traget Curve so i can it to EQ with squiglink?
go to kurin.squig.link
You can't hear inverted polarity when you never heared a real instruments?
what
It was easy to hear the differences in the sound samples. The easiest was ZZ Top's song.
Which one was that
@@Sharur1 First
Polarity is not audible. If you can pick polarity in a blind test you are a very special listener. What exactly is phase response that's "supposed to be" as you put it? Phase response can be anything and still be "correct". You measure a system and you get frequency response and phase response. Multi driver systems are not minimum phase, except for some special cases. Once you leave the minimum phase domain, you can't talk about "correct" phase response. It will be dictated by the whole system. An IEM with multiple drivers and crossovers is not minimum phase. There is no "supposed" there anymore. That system has left that realm when it included crossover filters.
Polarity is audible. Multi driver earphones are minimum phase since the distance between the drivers is insignificant.
@@Sharur1 it's not the distance between the drivers that makes it non minimum phase. It's the filters that make it non minimum phase. You can have second order crossover that sums flat, third order, fourth order or higher, all summing flat and the phase will be different in each case. That's why a multi driver system with crossovers is not minimum phase. There is no relation between the frequency response and the phase response in a non minimum phase system. Stop misleading your viewers.
i got 49/50 on audiocheck's absolute polarity test, it's definitely audible
can't wait to truthear tribrid with inverted polarity and your video "the moondrop variations is trash"
lol
(for noobs like me) also try to make a list of IEMs you've tried which have inverted polarity by default so I can ditch them
It's somewhat ok if it is there by default since you can correct it somewhat easily
I think this video's gotta be a masterpiece, once again you completely destroy Crinacle aka shillacle
but i also kinda worry for him
lmfao
Michelangelo’s David is a masterpiece.
Shillacle on suicide watch
You might notice he’s doing quite well.
Any good iem you will suggest over upgrade of zsn pro?
vari
@@Ponposhi something in budget bruh
@@Ponposhi how is variation is in budget
Sound waves 🔊 = sound waves 🔊? 🤨
NO
@@Sharur1 🤷♂️
I am a noob who likes the hated "Dan". However, even my moronic self thought Crinacle was up to no good when he said an apple dongle is all you need for almost everything.
The apple dongle is all you need for almost everything
He's not joking, if you can get a non-EU version, it's good. Most dongles are fine for iem duty afaik
what is the noise floor of the apple dongle?
@@gnaurai6251 check out AudioScienceReview's review
@@gnaurai6251 92, on numbers so low, If you care about audio, I would advise caring about other things that are audible
great, i just ordered my truthear hexa and i came across with Sharur's video just now :/
rip
just reverse the connectors 👍
@@pocketstoosumois it real?
TE hola doe? you never said anything about how it sounds
meh
Is it just me or crinacle's project red keeps getting worse and worse with each update
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didnt watch but we need a 1v1 crinacle vs sharur fist fight
nah
Even though you are a definitely one annoying individual at times; this subject I absolutely agree with you about this I cannot stand that dude Crin he is extremely annoying and an ultimate audio troll 😅.
what a troll
Fifty shades of annoying. Neither one is annoying. If they were annoying there would be no reason to watch.
@@ibassnote His videos are wildly useful once you get used to... unusual presentation. That's the reason
I think you should probably try the hola idk
it's trash
At what volume do you listen to music and how do you know the volume in db coming out of earphones?🤨
83-85 dB my iPhone says with apple dongle and variations. Variations sensitivity is the same as apple default earpods
@@Sharur1 I work in an environment that's 85db, that is too loud! What the hell man?
The Problem is: Between 85 % and 90 % of the Music you can stream has wrong Polarity! For Classical Music wrong polarity is just „WRONG“!
F…CK Artist intend.
With Crinacles IEM just much more Songs and classical peaces Sound Right in regard of absolute Phase than with the other Brands.
That is the real Reason why they switched the absolute Phase.
what
Don’t hate on Crin. Just a dude doing his thing. It only shows a lack of content, imagination or maturity. I think you should be way past throwing insults at hugely successful CZcamsrs. If you hate these channels so much, best them. That’s the only thing that matters. No one cares if Tim Cook hates Bill Gates. Who does the best job is all that matters. If you really possess more knowledge than everyone else why not make an IEM? You must be tired of this format ie blah blah is garbage, I Hate Crin etc.
nah
@@Sharur1 You are a big troll. Just leave Crinacle alone! I don't care about your opinion on sound signature but holy crap you are bashing any reviewers outta of this, aren't you? Let him do his thing, not need you to touch his thing on this!
@@rachelhopkins5943 Critics/Correcting misinformation does not equal to bashing
@@czyu3361 Sharur has found a niche of hate content to drive his content, similar to to the skeptic community that lived and died with Leafy. It's so antiquated at this point.
@@theumbrellaman2954 u and rachel are noobs
I don't trust anyone that is in the job of reviewing products that then collaborates with the brands they are supposed to be reviewing to release a product. Impossible to trust them to be unbiased after that.
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He doesn't even test his own collab IEMs(well not thoroughly enough at least), i mean he greenlit multi-driver IEMs with drivers that do not make sound...
We need a Sharur collab
@@gnaurai6251 Whether or not he tests his own IEM's is irrelevant. The fact he worked with the brand will create an implicit bias towards the brands he's worked with.
Exactly. But that means don’t trust anyone. Parse out what you can and go listen for yourself. You can gather a general idea of what’s worth looking at, the Variations for example, but ultimately don’t trust any of these people. Watch, be entertained, think, listen, buy.
hexa have inverted polarity but how bout hola?
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Crinacle needs to get a job
lol true
Sharur needs to get a job, this guy is trolling and bitching on this.
rachel hopkins i have a job
Looks like he’s winning at this game
Suggest the best iem under 50 dollars
moondrop variations
@@Sharur1 what about under 30 or 20
I have really low budget
And love from India
@@Sharur1 I told around 20 to 30 dollars not 500 frickin' bucks
Look up his chart, What's the name of the second best IEM?
You don't recommend any IEM under $100 ?
Nothing ?
Gift some $300 IEM to everyone then to prove your point
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You calling crin pretentious is…. insert your answer here. What I learned today. If you listen to electronic music, it doesn’t matter what you listen with.
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Crin isn’t pretentious, he’s confident.
Crazy
Yup
Chad Sharur vs Crinacle the virgin
lol
😂😂😂 ok
1-A 2-A 3-B 4-A 5-B lmao how sux i am
Relative to the waveform 3B has incorrect polarity
@@Sharur1 Yeah its actually obvious on 3.15 - 3.21 my bad
Wait, nevermind I mixed it up, you got all of them right
@@Sharur1 I'm still thinking 3 is A
@@Sharur1What will we get as a reference in audio, what we see or what we hear 🤔
132nd
late
better late than never
😂
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word
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tired topic. Unsubscribed.
noob
@@Sharur1 find something new to say
cope noob
@@Sharur1 cope noob your mom? I'm tired on calling you out to stop trolling and stop bashing any reviewers outta of what they doing and then you did not stop?? Let them be! There is no way to tell reviewers to avoid any IEM they like. Everyone has it's own opinion on sound signature and I understand your opinion but damn you are direct bashing any reviewers by pushing this? Stop!!
@@rachelhopkins5943