@@tarquin161234 There's nothing wrong with the electorate ,it's the electoral FPTP system. Labour got 37% of the vote and got a landslide(and the same sort of anomoly has benefited the Tories in the past). They are in reality a minority government nobody really wanted-not that they wanted the Tories either. A PR system is urgently needed. At the very least it will block infantile dogmatic politics and idiot "Showcase" policies that are totally unworkable/realistic and (my hope) stop the idiotic "We'll get 20k extra nurses police teachers (WHERE FROM ??? Off a shelf at Tesco?)
I live in a block of damp pre war ( even in summer due to our flats built on a old pond ) flats half our electric sockets don't work because the wiring is crumbling away we can't even wallpaper the walls because of damp pre war disabled flats and yet the new council housing estate is homing illegal young male Muslim and African immigrants and anti social single parent black families from London , yet we haven't been offered new accomodation on the beautiful new estate with a stream and ponds and the new estate within a year has gang graffiti and the pond has stolen mopeds dumped in it ! I actually cried because the local village has been turned into a shitehole in just two years , the local people I used to see every day are now scared to come out like they used to our village has become a dumping ground
@SkillBuilder Very wrong Roger. Starmer is not like normal ideology free politicians. He's part of the Fabians (look them up)..he's one of the most ideology driven politicians we've ever had. A very dangerous individual as nothing with stop their goal of a far left society.
It's the utilities and infrastructure that slow everything. Can't build 1.5M homes without adding 1.5M homes worth of sewage plants, water treatment plants, power plants, roads, bridges etc etc - those are decade-long timelines just for planning and permits, let alone funding and construction. Labor and materials to build the homes are the simplest part of the equation.
Happened 3 miles up the road, a massive housing estate now in moth balls because Thames water say they can't provide the water. Privatisation didn't work in that industry then
dozens of hospitals ( thousands of doctors /nurses ) hundreds of new schools / lack of decent teachers ! - supermarkets - parks/ places for kids to play etc etc
The whole idea of housing targets does not 'sit well' with a lot of town planning professionals and it clogs up the appeals system. It really is a nonsense.
@@roberttaylor7462 I am a professional town planner and have been so for 40 years. You have no idea what you are talking about. We have been allocating land for new housing based on projected households ( ie targets) as estimated at central government level since the end of World War Two. The reason this is done is to ensure there is sufficient housing to .meet the needs of the population and coordinate the necessary infrastructure. If you take 10 seconds to think about it, it’s an essential function of responsible government
@@jontalbot1 Does not seem to have worked very does it, a rethink maybe the only way, not silly targets that will never be achieved..and of course reduce immigration to Zero for 10 years, as that is driving it all the shortages in this country
If only that would happen. I've always advocated a probation period like in all jobs. At the end of the probation, if you don't meet the requirement, you're out!
@@tonylee-UKwe have, problem is it's five years. Perhaps a coalition? Like it or not, most 'majority governments exist on around a 30% share of the eligible vote, or so I believe.
I’m an ex builder and spent the last twenty years as a building inspector, and I can assure you the regulations have increased tremendously in the last decade or more, we have made it so difficult to build new homes with so much red tape plus the costs of infrastructure, CIL at 116 quid a square metre and that includes a garage, so your correct, no chance unless every boat load that lands happens to be full of brickies,chipies, spreads, plumbers, ground workers, sparkies, decorators, roofers, etc.
oh Bill besides them being UN soldiers they are also exactly what you think all be it unknown to them, they are the cheap labour the government want to keep wages down and the peasants in their place so their m8s can make a fortune. all money for the boys and back handers to keep the wheels turning
CIL £400 sqm where I live! Agree completely on the difficulty in new build houses though. Unless there is a serious injection of common sense back into the regs only the big 5 will build anything!
We have a deficit of about 4 million homes for the needs of our current population even if it doesn't get any bigger. I'd call that a severe housing problem, even if you don't like how it happened.
@@nochops1781 If those people now have a permanent right of residence then we have a housing problem. You may think those visas shouldn't have been granted but the fact is they have been.
There arnt enough civil engineers and architects to design that many homes in the time unless they abandon all planning and approval processes……that would be disastrous
@@singeager We’ve got loads of architects, engineers and doctors too. They are being put up in hotels all over the country paid for by the taxpayers. More arrive weekly in little rubber boats, so don’t fret it’ll turn out fine
Qualified stonemason, gave it up 12 years ago aged 43, my last job was a qualified bicycle mechanic/storeman/maintenance/grounds at an outdoors centre and that pays a tenner a week less than the feckin unskilled cleaners... retired now at 55, house paid off, wage slavery is a mugs game and I'm living on my meagre pensions but don't plan on grafting for nothing or nobody again.
Interesting story from real life. I’m sorry that you’ve had a rough time. Low pay and ‘the system’ just grinds you down with the ever increasing tax burden and bills! Enjoy your retirement.
@@mrjones9915 Thanks fella, that's the plan, just enjoy the simple things in life now, but waking up without an alarm clock is worth it- biking, hiking, swimming in the local loch -and finally getting to grips with the 1/2 acre garden and keeping the woodsheds full is a job in itself!
I took early retirement aged 55 due to needing a big op and being put onto no pay. Due to previous surgeries that I needed I was going to go straight onto no pay. I now live off my 2 occupational pensions that come to the personal tax allowance limit. I live modestly, can't afford a holiday, or socialise much but I do have a rescue pup who fills my heart with joy every day. She has the same medical problems as me, wonky spine, nerve damage etc so needs regular pain meds. I don't miss my old jobs at all. The piss poor managers, the workload, the endless performance logs, boring meetings that went on for hours rather than 15 minutes😂. I've got another 5 years to get my state pension, unless Liebour do away with it.
@@sierra60 Yep it's a scam, good on you for getting out. I'm nowhere near my personal tax allowance- survive on £635 a month currently because a year before I retired I stopped drinking altogether- so ZERO vices just utilities(my half, OH well she's still working but wants out by 60) and food... I have all the knowledge, skills and tools to upkeep the house(fully paid off) and the car (bar anything out of my depth!).... Took some stoicism lessons off You Tube and making those mental adjustments. Caring for my elderly mum now too so that's a job in itself lol, but if I want a holiday it'll be the bike and a tent and panniers, see somewhere for real not some poxy cruise, fly in-out nonsense!!
millions of "Prefabs" were knocked up in five years, Most were built in factories in Canada and they are still with us and loved by those who bought them. Hot water inside toilet central heating three bedrooms and a garden thrown in = nobody believed the Labour gov of the day then!
They don’t even bother to tell them lies nowadays, they just don’t tell them anything, next thing you know your winter fuel allowance is gone and they are eying your state pension with keen interest.
Hes referring to people under threat of being arrested for posting on social media videos of protests, in particular the Muslim ones. Apparently its fine to share "far right ones" 🙄 ...lol
Things are seriously wrong with the UK construction industry. There are very, very talented trades up and down the country but they are treated with utter contempt from the government, CITB, CSCS, developers, clients etc. etc. Lets not even touch on tool theft , lack of police interest, and shyster insurance companies. As for social housing, the shocking state of newly built properties (future ghettos) can only be put down to corruption as they start rotting before handover
You are correct that I wouldn't buy a new house and now because there's too many labour coming into the country who build houses all these boot people from Africa how is he going to f****** build a house no chance no one will buy them I would not buy a new house now because there's too much cheap labour coming into the country have no idea the standard of shocking
The quality of some of the new builds blows my mind. I live in a former council house built in the 1950s. Yes, we've had our problems with it over the years however, compared to some of the new builds valued at a tiny fortune, they're falling apart faster after a few years.
Down here in Oz the labour wizard (PM) has made basically the same claim 1.25 million homes in 5 years. So that's 62500 homes per quarter, we're more than half way through the year and have only managed approx 75000 homes, ' we'll make it up in the next quarter " is the claim from govt. Materials, land and trades are all expensive and in short supply- the fix "lets bring in more skilled immigrants' wow there's a housing shortage, a massive rental home shortage so lets bring in more people!! Wow they're smart!!
Where are they going to find all the bricklayers? The majority of bricklayers are over 60 and have had enough of working for the corrupt subbies. We will all be retired in ten years. That is over 50% of UK bricklayers. A perfect storm is coming.
@@1973miniclubman Like I said, there is a perfect storm coming and only those in the trade know. We have all had enough. If you ignore the day rate and actual work out what we earn per year, we are probable the worst paid trade. Painters earn more than us because they don't get rained off.
@@harveysmith100 totally agree with ya mate, been doing it 17years and in that time can honestly say iv only come across one young lad who’s has the minerals to get on with it, most buckle within first couple month. And the work of large sites is piss poor. Site agents straight out of uni who don’t now there arse from there elbow, iv just doing a job at chi army barracks, converting a flat roof between to houses into a pitch roof, due to ongoing issues with damp; builds only 9 years old and I have never seen anything so poorly constructed: insulation with 30-40mm gaps, lack of tiesF undersized cavity’s, walls leaning, shit pointing; parapit wall cavity solid filled with muck. Causing water to piss In at hof. Makes u wonder where they get these muppets from! And like u said for the money we earn we’re defo one of not the lowest paid trade, but one of the most physically demanding. And this summer like last has been crap!
I've been bricklaying 28 years. House bashing 25. Had to leave. Subbies taking all the money. More and more jobs expected of us and not being paid for while agents getting massive bonuses for churning out sub standard housing estates but they did have a nice one way system so you couldn't get across the site in any type of reasonable time!!!! Oh and silo muck is still to this day the worst stuff invented for laying bricks!!!!! Fact!!!
Not just bricklayers, plumbers and sparks, i got 3 years to retire, I finished site work years ago, got fed up with over burden of health and safety, forced to cut corners to save money for employer, general over bureaucracy (NIC) regulations, went for a simple in house maintenance job, regular pay, just take the money now and switch off. I think This country is b0ll0xed now, next generation not interested in working hard like we did, now Labour are in it will get worse, I reckon by retirement time we will be so highly taxed we will be better off dying early, perhaps thats the plan 😮
The Government's own demographic statistics show immigration to be predicted around 700,000 people per year; so all the proposed new housing is still insufficient.
@@martin2466 Been like that for decades. It’s because the business model of house builders is based on the increase in value on land without planning permission to the same land with planning permission. That can go from £10k per acre to over £1m and that profit is not taxed. In the days before the 47 Act builders competed on the basis of quality. That’s when they started including integral garages, fitted kitchens and design features like stained glass. If you want a well built house go for one built in the 1930s
It's not just the houses that would need to be built it would also be all the supporting infrastructure & utilities, road upgrades, extra services etc. I currently work with a large number of civils companies and there's also a massive shortage of skilled workers at all levels of construction not to mention material supply issues and sky-high prices. Labour's projected numbers are a joke
There are shortages in the electricity distribution industry. These projects require planners, legal specialists etc... as well as the engineers to do the work. At the same time they're targeting Net Zero & want to install millions of EV chargers, which in turn will require upgrading the network. When you look at these goals & the resources available to implement them, it's clear things aren't adding up.
@@McMonkeyful the Net Zero policy is bonkers. If CO2 is a worldwide problem then it doesn't matter where you cut emissions, what matters is you cut them. It's been shown many times that you're better off investing in the developing world to cut emissions there vs. reducing emissions in developed countries where we've already got most if not all of the low hanging fruit.
@@richardroebuck1915 I agree. Also, other than the benefit of cleaner air in cities, electric cars seem like an exercise in virtue signalling to me. The raw materials are being mined by child labourers in the Congo and you lose half the electricity generated in transmission before you even begin charging the battery. When highly efficient hybrid engines are available, it doesn't make sense to me.
In the south east they have built lots of housing estates in nice areas but can't sell the houses because they are too expensive. Croydon council has bought them all and moved people in!!!..From what the locals say they are not people who would normally afford these homes and it has brought the area down
All they seem to build nowadays are three-storey "townhouses" with garages on the ground floor to get around flood plain restrictions. They can face front or back and would best suit rabbits not humans. No bungalows for down-sizing retirees to free up existing housing stock.
In my opinion there's plenty of bungalows already around. Why not make a 2 story house into a bungalow and a flat on the top. 2 units of housing in 1 plot of land.
@@MichaelFlatman Because maisonettes don't work. It was tried here in the late 50s. Pensioners flats on the ground floor with a two-storey house above them. The residents above would look out for the OAPs below. Except it became a sink estate with dregs, druggies, dogs and nightmare kids. Not to mention freehold rights and maintenance.
@@MichaelFlatman No there isn`t my mum had a 2 bedroom one, within 48 hours of her passing I had 4 people knocking on the door as we were clearing her house out, it was effectively sold within 48 hours and I could have sold it 20 times over in that week for well above its official market price.
if they are so eco that they ban gas and oil extraction, focus on EPC ratings, then they might as well ban bungalows, since every single one of them requires 1 roof, vs flats, when you can have 10 flats with 1 roof, also less heat loss etc.
Crazy headline-grabbing targets are deplorable. Roger is spot on here by calling out ANY politician offering-up an unachievable 'target', which may not be a lie but it's in the same ballpark. On the subject of targets, how about we aim for honest politicians who make a habbit of under-promising and overdelivering?
Mate I work on a large project in London 670 bedrooms. We are struggling to get dryliners and plumbers coz they are foreign and all go on holiday this time of year plus longer Christmas and New year breaks. How on earth is Starmer gonna find all these hidden talent required to build these homes?? We need to start training our own trades instead of relying on external support. Governments should stop lying to us common men.
Lol, you actually think today's youth would ever consider manual labor? That's funny. The hardest work these kids want is tapping on a keyboard at the local coffee shop. Without immigrants, most developed economies would grind to a halt.
what's the point of new reserviors (Oxfordshire still arguing) when the treated water is p***ing down the road for months on end? (Clifton Hampden - 4 reports since January at least)
@@frankjenkins6627 not forgetting Boris lads 10 nuclear power plant's,sub it off to the french and subsidise the French market. This isn't going to change overnight is it, give him a chance to change the rules on this the rules of finger's in pies!
Best thing the government can do to address the housing shortage is to stop allowing 650,000+ net people into the UK every year. Bring it down to 50,000. Aim for 500,000 quality homes in 5 years and we'll be better for it.
It's well over 1 million, based on NI numbers issued - and that's just adults. The ONS is sitting on the raw number of passports-in vs passports-out because it would be political suicide to reveal it.
Wall tiler here. Used to work on sites in the late 80's and throughout the 90's. Money wasn't to bad until developers wanted more done, for the same money. And then they wanted even more, for the same money. Something had to give and that was standards. And in the end even that wasn't enough and it became impossible to earn a decent wage. Got out of site work 25 years ago but now those same same standards creeping into domestic works. Something for nothing. I now tell young people to steer well clear of construction.
I always tell apprentices to have a think about what they are getting into…. I’d never encourage a youngster to get into building… money isn’t good enough, and vans, ulez, tool theft…. Not worth it anymore
@@seanfallon3783 To be fair i had a good few years, met some great people over the years, proper skilled tradesmen, in the main good clients and i enjoyed my work which i believe one has to. But recent years, past 4 or 4 truly had enough of it. I like the work, i love the people i work alongside, but i cannot deal with people anymore. They are becoming ever harder to deal with, always want work done cheaper, getting paid in a timely manner, surprised that extra work costs extra money and the way in which i sometimes get spoken to or treated. And another big one for me is the cost alone of just going to work. Living in London all the associated costs of parking, van insurance gone through the roof, ULEZ etc etc. And i've had 2 cats cut off my van and my van broken into and cleared out 4 times. It's just to much. And i've kind of contradicted myself on my previous comment as my son starts an apprenticeship on Monday but it's as a lecky on the railway NOT in construction thank god! All the best mate.
@@seanfallon3783 What is worth it now? Tech is on the decline and many white collar jobs are under threat from AI. The trades are actually at least a fairly safe bet in terms of job security if nothing else.
It won't happen, worked in the construction industry all my working life. As a Joiner and Site Manager. Shortage of skilled labour for decades. Plenty of hard graft , money good and bad. Today the young people leaving school want to be influences, keyboard warriors, don't want to work in all weather's. Very rare to see a man of colour on a building site. Why is that. Still expect a roof over heads but no contribution. I am 66 years of age now and don't see anything changing.
I fully agree with your comments and as a chartered building surveyor struggling on every project to find good consistent contractors or the average age of the guys is pushing 60 then most will have retired before 50000 homes are built. Also as and when the housing developments are announced doubling the previous strategic Planning in Bucks, the locals will fight and delay and i would say Labour wont hit half their target and in process lose there voters. (What few there are) Disaster on all fronts
@@johnnettleton1240 same as the last lot then in reality, I've suggested a solution that does Indeed revolutionise the game IE more for less labour material crew,who is going to front it, solutions not excuses!
It's probably worse than that. The market was already doing this. 2022 added 200k new dwellings. The UK is already on track for 300k homes in 2029. It'll be an average of 1.3 million over 5 years. They're barely moving the needle to hit 1.5, but they'll treat it like a major milestone. They're doing nothing and taking credit for it.
It's not just the dwellings, it's the type of dwellings. The government want to house all the immigrants and all the people who live on benefits, and they won't be living in four bed houses with three bathrooms. Even if 1.5m two bed houses were built (which they won't be) with the current rate of immigration it wouldn't touch the sides
Im a carpenter the quality of new builds is shocking my advice dont buy one look for something that was built when people took pride in their work not in the amount of money make for doing the least they can get away with
The cessation of apprenticeships has led to a decline in building work standards. A brief course in a classroom cannot equate to five years of on-site experience.
Building a house in minutes clearly isn't feasible but how many parallel streams would you need? I'd have thought number of workers theoretically needed would have been a more interesting measure though not necessarily the limiting factor. Land, materials and money also needed.
@@alanrobertson9790 Hmm...you are quite right and of course he said all that during his presentation, didn't he ? I was complimenting him on expressing all those many factors summed up in a very simple way - TIME which most people can understand easily as an expression of difficulty.
Making it easier to self-build would help. Self-builders build much higher-quality houses, and there are an awful lot of people that could be mobilised to get buildings built.
Only way it will happen is if the government puts massive money in to social housing. An extra 10B-12B per year could mean an extra 40,000 social houses per year effectively doubling the number of social houses built per year. The private sector in the UK has never build more then 220,000 per year and on average is more like 160,000.
Absolutely right, & we have also heard in the last few months that our sewers cannot cope with a downpour now, with raw sewage being let into our rivers & the sea. Then to add insult to injury, there will be even more runoff with more country side being concreted over 🤦
It would help the world greatly if only real people with real life experience were even allowed to run for parliament. However we dont have that we have a political 'class' who enter politics immediately from university and are so devoid of any real life experience that they couldn't possibly construct an effective policy. Worst still, they know this, so they outsource drafting of legislation ideas and concepts to KPMG, Deloitte, Accenture etc who directly serve 'other interests'. What a sham and veneer of a democratic world we live in in the West.
They have not got a chance, 1. The government or Councils do not build houses private companies do. 2. Turkeys do not vote for xmas, so why would private building companies build all the houses the government wont and thus drive down house prices because now we have an over supply and this would drive down there profits. and 3. were are all the man power and supplies going to come from now we have left the EU
Councils used to have direct build organisations, they were privatised. They would build minor roads, small housing estates etc and do the maintenance. But we are where we are, it would take tens of years to build back such organisations. If councils etc bought land and put the construction out to tender with it stipulated that the council had directly employed inspectors there would be bids. We can still get Labour from the EU, it will just cost more now because we have made the country unappetizing. I doubt that we could build the number hoped for.
@@chrisbennett6260 Yes it is true. One of my friends at school back in the 70s was directly employed by the local council and he would be mainly out repairing pot holes, but would also be on call for car crashes and would build some new stuff but only low value. In the 80s I was working for a major civil engineering company build a £70m dual carriageway in Kent and the clerk of works used to disappear now and then to go look at a small country road that were rebuilding for about £100k. It also made councils better clients because they had their own clerk of works, engineers etc.
Been in the building trade for over 30 years, took my tickets on machines . Finished a contract just before the government illness. As soon as I say my date of birth you can hear them scunching up the note. Do not want older men just the young they can pay less to.
Not a chance Roger, we don't have a housing problem but we do have a population problem. Labour have already scrapped the rule that houses have to look nice and in keeping with the area so what they are proposing is not the 3 - 4 bedroom decent houses that will last, they want the cheapest shit rabbit hutches that just cause tension with your neighbours, won't get looked after and is a false economy that no one wants to buy and will turn into another difficult estate. Not to mention we don't have the labour force needed for this, there is no young blood coming into the industry and all the decent ones are leaving because they get treated with nothing but abuse and contempt from the industry as a whole. I have done this since leaving school (30yrs ago) and used to enjoy it, but now being told that I need to undergo more training to keep my current tickets because the rules are changing is a farce and blatant money grab, so I have decided to make a stand and have retrained in another industry away from building because it's just getting ridiculous, theres now far too many people in suits either pointing or wagging a finger whilst carrying a clipboard and pointing a camera at the few that are left on the tools trying to actually do the job. I'm not going to miss it because it's no longer the same industry I joined as a youngster. Something drastic needs to change to rebalance the industry.
This new Labour government are a joke. Starmer should quit now before he does anymore damage. Build all those houses in 5 years. I would have more chance of winning the lotto. We have a similarly stupid government in Australia. They are also trying to knit fog with their declarations. Like we will all be driving electric cars very soon. Unfortunately most people don't want them. And some that bought them have gone back to ICE, oops. Politicians must all get special water that is laced with fairy dust, because they are all away with the fairies.
Will wages go up so they catch up with house price rises since the 1980s? 600% house price increase in just 30 years, while wages only increased 200%. Low wages are the real issue.
UK wages are comparable to elsewhere in Europe except in the UK, housing is seen even more as an "investment", with prices overinflated so all your money goes to mortgage and rent vs rest fo economy.
@@dallysinghson5569 Over inflated prices here because overseas they build home corresponding to their actual populations not what they want their population to be.
Same here Roger I am 64 and find political parties are just full of empty promises, but will always blame the last political party why they can not honour those promises ! Gaz UK.
I can remember asking my old man who he voted for, he said he didn’t bother as whom ever got in nothing changed, I was a bit shocked by this but I’m a similar age now (51) and I understand what he meant.
Where are the tradesmen going to come from to build them? The standard of tradesman in the UK is already very bad as things stand. The build quality of these houses will be atrocious. They will be getting young guys just out of school with no training or skills to build them. The government spends a fortune sending people to university to study mickey mouse courses, should spend it on proper apprenticeships to create high quality tradesmen.
@@garnhamrthat's how we all started isn't it? If we learn something new every day a 20yr old is obviously going to know fuck all in comparison to a 60 Yr old.
@@wokelefty it’s how those 20yr olds are treated that’s the issue. Companies want experience without investment and push the blame onto the “self employed” tradesmen. It’s not the fault of the company for doing an inadequate site survey and installation plan ;) older tradesmen see through the bs. Younger ones are exploitable.
Agree!! In addition, unless you have massive mortgage deposits or even money in general, nobody can afford to buy in this current climate with the mortgage base rate...
It's quite simple Roger. Import the materials and import the skilled labour (experienced with our regulations of course), then once built, build another 2 million houses for all these skilled workers and their dependents. We cant wash ourselves anymore even with all the additional workers we've welcomed in the past 20 years, so 1.5million homes in 5 years is never happening!
@@dallysinghson5569 No we were happy with European ones it’s just we wanted them to go back to their homelands once the contracts were finished that same reasoning for seasonal workers picking fields etc. The case in point our builders helping build Germany in late 60’s 70’s to then come home again.
I live near Boston Lincs, one of the areas that the government has flooded with immigrants. Around Boston are numerous little villages made up mainly of fields where food is grown. One by one those fields are being sold off and where there were cabbages there are now houses. No new roads, doctor's surgeries or anything else, just more houses, more cars, more traffic chaos etc. More people with less food production will not end well, supply goes down, demand goes up, so do prices.
Too many bummers, lack of skilled trades, rainy weather, unpredictable material costs, material/site security costs, unreliable supply chains, unknown legal fee's.........800,000 would be a miracle.
What we need in this country is a can do attitude. UK decline in most industries is due to poor organisation, unwillingness to change, poor morale and motivation.
We did build 300,000 houses and flats in one year (1969). The year before saw the partial collapse of Ronan Point which drew attention to the poor quality of much of it. I completely agree with you Roger- it’s not possible nor is it desirable to try to build so many houses and flats so quickly. We could build more quickly if the industry invested more in off site production but house builders are very conservative. I say this as a Labour supporter and someone who taught housing development for 11 years.
Yeah I remember them - the working class communities bulldozed to make way for them and the shocking depression and isolation of those who had to live in them. All crap - thanks mainly to the Labour Party who were determined to outdo the damage done by the Luftwaffe.
@@macarfs You may be right l can’t be arsed to check. What is interesting is how stable the numbers built for the private sector are. They have no incentive to build to the point where prices fall
@@kubhlaikhan2015 Your own politics distort the facts. In those days both the main parties competed to build the most. The comprehensive clearing programmes ( mostly under Tory governments) did sweep away a lot of very bad housing (no inside toilets etc) by the end of the 60s this practice was generally abandoned in favour of improvements to existing stock via General Improvement areas ( from 69) and later Housing Action Areas ( from 74).
@@jontalbot1 The houses destroyed were high quality Victorian buildings, sound as a bell with at least 100 or 200 years in them. Not having a toilet installed indoors doesn't make them "bad housing". They didnt have indoor toilets originally because people disapproved of crapping indoors! Simple as that. Those that survive cost almost a £million. Most of the crap they replaced it with has already been demolished and a lot of the stuff they are putting up today is worse even than that.
I'm afraid politicians live in a dream world. We all know this will never happen. I retired 3 years ago after 50 years working in construction, over that time, I must have worked on sites for all the major national house builders. there is such a shortage of tradesmen that they very rarely meet there current targets, so who is going to build all these new houses? without all the problems of materials. No amount of money will solve any of the problems. and if anything it can only get worse. youngsters dont want to go working in the rain and cold these days, they would rather go university then get a job at Mcdonalds. thats just one problem, without all problems getting the land and planning.
I agree with you totally Roger. Not sure about the maths of ‘cleverer people than you’ though. 5 x 365.25 = the 1826 days you mention, so the figures you mention are for a 7 day working week including Christmas Day! Love the rants, always lots of common sense contained in them.
It's not just Labour - for decades, successive governments have promised to do exactly the same thing, but it's an unreachable target. Even during the house building boom of the 60's, nowhere near those numbers of houses were built, and that was before there were so many restrictions on where you could build.
But many more than that were built every year in the 1930s, so it's not impossible. But that was before the Town and Country Planning Act 1947 threw a spanner in the works and gradually made building more and more difficult. And of course many other factors, notably the lack of skilled tradesmen, have now compounded the problem. If the TCPA were repealed and the other logjams addressed then building at scale could be possible again.
I suggest they use modern capsule homes, with pre-built pods delivered to the foundations to be bolted together and plugged into the utilities. I've seen these in Scandinavia and they're excellent starter homes. More pods can be used to increase the bedroom capacity to 2 , 3, 4 rooms plus the kitchen/living room pod and bathroom/utility pod. Cheap too and uses a relatively low skilled workforce to assemble..
A civil engineer once told me that infrastructure water,sewage,electricity etc used to run on a twenty year cycle because population growth was a steady incline and they knew what to build/ plan for. Now with this huge search in population they will be playing catch up for years.
Average age of a chippie is 52. Even if 4 times as many school leavers join the industry (they wont) there is no one to teach them. HMG ask for tech teachers to have a degree which takes 3 years, so as term starts in a month and will be missed teachers will not qualify for 4 years. She may as well shit in her hat (hard) and punch it. They need to look at the rules, my Mrs is doing a PHD at Oxford and can teach mature students there, once she has her PHD she can not teach at secondary schools as she does not have GCSE maths, she is an archaeologist! So many builders can be fantastic teachers but have no degree
@@VanyaYani Oh dear, what a lack of understanding... Whio is it who makes the shuttering for the concrete big boy? Do you think that concrete stairs just appear out of fresh air fom the Part K fairy? I don't know what you do for a living but best stick to it, eh?
I remember reports a few years ago that there are 1,000,000 unused properties in the U.K. is that still the case? Or was it just another number pulled out of the air by some politician?
Supposedly around 700,000 homes are classed as unfurnished and empty with around 260,000 of those classified as long term empty. I suspect most of the "short term" ones are simply going through probate. The remaining 300,000 are mostly short term lets and 2nd homes etc which were classified as "empty" which is not really accurate. Either way even if we could fill all the empty homes tomorrow it would barely make a dent in the overall problem.
1.5 million caravans, I bet you. Oh, wait, they're no longer called caravans. They're called "tiny houses". Maybe dog houses also qualify to reach the 1.5 million.
It takes just 1 acre of land to house 50.000 people if you build higher. Foundation and land acquisition takes 50% of effort. Caravans would just exacerbate a problem.
Here in St Athan in Wales, there's a gigantic new estate, built exclusively for migrants and it's fantastic with each house having its own generous garden and solar panels. They're of prefabricated construction and are assembled within hours. We CAN do it with Labour's new government!
My brother built his house two years ago and the worst part was trying to get planning permission, he was just building a pretty standard bungalow on the site of an old derelict farm cottage, you'd have thought he was trying to build the Albert hall the way they were acting, a total bunch of jumped up little Hitlers, drunk their own power.
1826 days is all of the days in 5 years...If you take 5 days a week at 8 hours a day for 5 years you get 10,400 hours of working time. 1.5 million divided by 10,400 means that they will need to complete a house every 2.4 seconds of working time....
2.4 houses per minute, 144 per hour from your figures which I agree are more realistic which I think is your point here as people don't work 24 hours a day. Either way it's unachievable.
You're absolutely right. And to expand on one of the points that you made, construction skills are at the lowest point I've seen in my lifetime. Even if they build a quarter of that number of homes, those homes will each have 100s of defects and ruin the lives of countless families.
It wont happen because no one can afford them . What they going to do 60yr mortgages? Put a load of dossers and asylum seekers in them i wouldn't be surprised!
According to KentLive There are a total of 7,847 houses in our county (Kent) which are classed as being long-term empty homes. There is no housing shortage.
Just to put this into perspective, the new targets call for 14,000 homes to be built in Kent *per year* for 5 years. That's also according to Kent Live, by the way.
What's the peak power demand for new house with reverse-fridge heating and one - or two - EV charging points, on top of all the other domestic demand? 40kW? 50kW? More? The grid is already groaning, and I'm hearing of planned new estates being slashed in size because there's no way to get enough power in, let alone sewage out.
I can never understand why politician's engage in these so called publicity photo opportunities. I have lost count of how many think that putting on a hard hat and hi vis to pick up a trowel for 30 seconds somehow makes them look like 'man of the people'. It is pathetic, what was the punch bag stunt supposed to convey. Like you say it achieved the opposite to a strong leader. Today Anglea Raynor is on the front pages sipping whisk through a straw. This may be how she consumes all her drinks but it makes her look like a child. It may be that they handed her a glass of whisky to sample and she said "If I put the glass to my mouth nobody will know it is me". That would have been a blessing. What is the Housing Minister doing visiting a distillery? She couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
The fundamental problem is the British political establishment. Without fixing that nothing is going to improve.
The political elites who despise the working class are an issue
And the electorate too. Don't forget the electorate.
Make them walk the plank 🏴☠️
@@tarquin161234 There's nothing wrong with the electorate ,it's the electoral FPTP system. Labour got 37% of the vote and got a landslide(and the same sort of anomoly has benefited the Tories in the past). They are in reality a minority government nobody really wanted-not that they wanted the Tories either. A PR system is urgently needed. At the very least it will block infantile dogmatic politics and idiot "Showcase" policies that are totally unworkable/realistic and (my hope) stop the idiotic "We'll get 20k extra nurses police teachers (WHERE FROM ??? Off a shelf at Tesco?)
I live in a block of damp pre war ( even in summer due to our flats built on a old pond ) flats half our electric sockets don't work because the wiring is crumbling away we can't even wallpaper the walls because of damp pre war disabled flats and yet the new council housing estate is homing illegal young male Muslim and African immigrants and anti social single parent black families from London , yet we haven't been offered new accomodation on the beautiful new estate with a stream and ponds and the new estate within a year has gang graffiti and the pond has stolen mopeds dumped in it ! I actually cried because the local village has been turned into a shitehole in just two years , the local people I used to see every day are now scared to come out like they used to our village has become a dumping ground
Are you telling me Starmer is talking shit again? Well that has shocked me to the core
This is not Starmer, he looks like the new Biden with people feeding him the lines
@@SkillBuilder Starmer has always been like this, he just had to hide it more until he got into power
@SkillBuilder Very wrong Roger. Starmer is not like normal ideology free politicians. He's part of the Fabians (look them up)..he's one of the most ideology driven politicians we've ever had. A very dangerous individual as nothing with stop their goal of a far left society.
Must have learnt it from Boris lol
@@sidstewart7399 Blair was a fabian too, useful idiots set up and funded by ........
Add into this the fact that foreigners (non 🇬🇧 residents) can buy as many UK properties as they like at any time. They need to stop this asap.
It's the utilities and infrastructure that slow everything. Can't build 1.5M homes without adding 1.5M homes worth of sewage plants, water treatment plants, power plants, roads, bridges etc etc - those are decade-long timelines just for planning and permits, let alone funding and construction. Labor and materials to build the homes are the simplest part of the equation.
That's the idea. They just want the build figures and don't care if they are slums and shitholes just to exist in.
100% correct
Absolutely true, utility companies all request easements, new substations etc, these things take ages.
Happened 3 miles up the road, a massive housing estate now in moth balls because Thames water say they can't provide the water. Privatisation didn't work in that industry then
dozens of hospitals ( thousands of doctors /nurses ) hundreds of new schools / lack of decent teachers ! - supermarkets - parks/ places for kids to play etc etc
Takes 10 years to biild reservoirs and water treatment facilities to accommodate that many houses. So it deffo wont happen in the next five years!
@@danielcuddihy4273 two term's then,are we ready to find out?
I am!
This is exactly the same target as the previous government, which they abandoned when they realised that is was unachievable.
The whole idea of housing targets does not 'sit well' with a lot of town planning professionals and it clogs up the appeals system. It really is a nonsense.
@@roberttaylor7462 I am a professional town planner and have been so for 40 years. You have no idea what you are talking about. We have been allocating land for new housing based on projected households ( ie targets) as estimated at central government level since the end of World War Two. The reason this is done is to ensure there is sufficient housing to .meet the needs of the population and coordinate the necessary infrastructure. If you take 10 seconds to think about it, it’s an essential function of responsible government
@@jontalbot1 Does not seem to have worked very does it, a rethink maybe the only way, not silly targets that will never be achieved..and of course reduce immigration to Zero for 10 years, as that is driving it all
the shortages in this country
@@jontalbot1love it when a professional who knows facts states them to someone voicing a made up opinion.
It’s about time politicians incurred fines (out of their own pockets) for false advertisement like red bull did for not giving me wings.
If only that would happen. I've always advocated a probation period like in all jobs. At the end of the probation, if you don't meet the requirement, you're out!
The Tory Party would have gone bankrupt many times over.
Like Farage and Johnson and Brexit.
@@GreenSaxonyou guys should be happy for getting rid of the EU.
@@tonylee-UKwe have, problem is it's five years. Perhaps a coalition? Like it or not, most 'majority governments exist on around a 30% share of the eligible vote, or so I believe.
I’m an ex builder and spent the last twenty years as a building inspector, and I can assure you the regulations have increased tremendously in the last decade or more, we have made it so difficult to build new homes with so much red tape plus the costs of infrastructure, CIL at 116 quid a square metre and that includes a garage, so your correct, no chance unless every boat load that lands happens to be full of brickies,chipies, spreads, plumbers, ground workers, sparkies, decorators, roofers, etc.
oh Bill besides them being UN soldiers they are also exactly what you think all be it unknown to them, they are the cheap labour the government want to keep wages down and the peasants in their place so their m8s can make a fortune. all money for the boys and back handers to keep the wheels turning
Good
Unfortunately it's all doctors and dentists from what I hear
Doctors
CIL £400 sqm where I live! Agree completely on the difficulty in new build houses though. Unless there is a serious injection of common sense back into the regs only the big 5 will build anything!
We don't have a housing problem. We have a population problem.
very true
Indeed so. Too many people all requiring a variety of services.
We have a deficit of about 4 million homes for the needs of our current population even if it doesn't get any bigger. I'd call that a severe housing problem, even if you don't like how it happened.
@@paulcassidy8130 Four and a half million residency visas granted in the last four years. The problem is not housing. The problem is population.
@@nochops1781 If those people now have a permanent right of residence then we have a housing problem. You may think those visas shouldn't have been granted but the fact is they have been.
At the time of typing the Labour Gov't should have delivered 27,198 completed homes by now.
😂
@@johnnymetalcore5608 they have been in power 1 month
@@sivoltagethey should have built 30k by now!
There arnt enough civil engineers and architects to design that many homes in the time unless they abandon all planning and approval processes……that would be disastrous
@@singeager We’ve got loads of architects, engineers and doctors too. They are being put up in hotels all over the country paid for by the taxpayers.
More arrive weekly in little rubber boats, so don’t fret it’ll turn out fine
Spot on Roger as always, careful with the truth because telling the truth marks you out as a far right
I figured being a racist bigot makes you far right not telling the truth
Qualified stonemason, gave it up 12 years ago aged 43, my last job was a qualified bicycle mechanic/storeman/maintenance/grounds at an outdoors centre and that pays a tenner a week less than the feckin unskilled cleaners... retired now at 55, house paid off, wage slavery is a mugs game and I'm living on my meagre pensions but don't plan on grafting for nothing or nobody again.
Interesting story from real life. I’m sorry that you’ve had a rough time. Low pay and ‘the system’ just grinds you down with the ever increasing tax burden and bills! Enjoy your retirement.
@@mrjones9915 Thanks fella, that's the plan, just enjoy the simple things in life now, but waking up without an alarm clock is worth it- biking, hiking, swimming in the local loch -and finally getting to grips with the 1/2 acre garden and keeping the woodsheds full is a job in itself!
I took early retirement aged 55 due to needing a big op and being put onto no pay. Due to previous surgeries that I needed I was going to go straight onto no pay. I now live off my 2 occupational pensions that come to the personal tax allowance limit. I live modestly, can't afford a holiday, or socialise much but I do have a rescue pup who fills my heart with joy every day. She has the same medical problems as me, wonky spine, nerve damage etc so needs regular pain meds. I don't miss my old jobs at all. The piss poor managers, the workload, the endless performance logs, boring meetings that went on for hours rather than 15 minutes😂. I've got another 5 years to get my state pension, unless Liebour do away with it.
@@sierra60 Yep it's a scam, good on you for getting out. I'm nowhere near my personal tax allowance- survive on £635 a month currently because a year before I retired I stopped drinking altogether- so ZERO vices just utilities(my half, OH well she's still working but wants out by 60) and food... I have all the knowledge, skills and tools to upkeep the house(fully paid off) and the car (bar anything out of my depth!).... Took some stoicism lessons off You Tube and making those mental adjustments. Caring for my elderly mum now too so that's a job in itself lol, but if I want a holiday it'll be the bike and a tent and panniers, see somewhere for real not some poxy cruise, fly in-out nonsense!!
Hope you are managing alright. Labour promised to go after the non-doms but removed 10m pensioner's fuel allowance instead.
Bang on Roger, it took me nearly two years to build my house. Politicians tell people want they want to hear, not the truth and never will.
millions of "Prefabs" were knocked up in five years, Most were built in factories in Canada and they are still with us and loved by those who bought them. Hot water inside toilet central heating three bedrooms and a garden thrown in = nobody believed the Labour gov of the day then!
If you were any good you would have built in two minutes, what's the matter with you?
They don’t even bother to tell them lies nowadays, they just don’t tell them anything, next thing you know your winter fuel allowance is gone and they are eying your state pension with keen interest.
@@bsimpson6204I heard whispers about wanting to means test for the state pension!
You could probably get a house built up faster, but to Rogers point. Would anyone want to live in it?
Careful Roger, you don't want to get arrested for criticising the labour party mate. There a touchy bunch this week.😁
what are you even referring to?
No one is being locked up for that you plank. FFS are you really that fucking thick
Hes referring to people under threat of being arrested for posting on social media videos of protests, in particular the Muslim ones. Apparently its fine to share "far right ones" 🙄 ...lol
Yes, far right extremist even. 😂
@@TotelrecallAutomaton.
1.5 million homes you mean free barracks for all the fighting age men arriving daily?
Maybe the 300k plus dingy divers coming to Britain are all bricklayers? 😂
No, brain surgeons.
@@duncan649 Or engineers and scientists. Strange that they couldn't have flown in or made a success in their own country.
Brick throwers more like, Ooops I'll probably get my door kicked down for that comment.....
No, they do have some skills none of which are worth a bean to the Uk economy or it’s law abiding highly taxed citizens
no they've come to live in the promised houses
Things are seriously wrong with the UK construction industry.
There are very, very talented trades up and down the country but they are treated with utter contempt from the government, CITB, CSCS, developers, clients etc. etc.
Lets not even touch on tool theft , lack of police interest, and shyster insurance companies.
As for social housing, the shocking state of newly built properties (future ghettos) can only be put down to corruption as they start rotting before handover
You are correct that I wouldn't buy a new house and now because there's too many labour coming into the country who build houses all these boot people from Africa how is he going to f****** build a house no chance no one will buy them I would not buy a new house now because there's too much cheap labour coming into the country have no idea the standard of shocking
Theres another guy on YT that does videos of himself inspecting 'new' builds, as he says the worse than poor quality is 'shocking'.
^ That would be the @newhomequalitycontrol channel 😄
The quality of some of the new builds blows my mind. I live in a former council house built in the 1950s. Yes, we've had our problems with it over the years however, compared to some of the new builds valued at a tiny fortune, they're falling apart faster after a few years.
True
Down here in Oz the labour wizard (PM) has made basically the same claim 1.25 million homes in 5 years. So that's 62500 homes per quarter, we're more than half way through the year and have only managed approx 75000 homes, ' we'll make it up in the next quarter " is the claim from govt. Materials, land and trades are all expensive and in short supply- the fix "lets bring in more skilled immigrants' wow there's a housing shortage, a massive rental home shortage so lets bring in more people!! Wow they're smart!!
Where are they going to find all the bricklayers?
The majority of bricklayers are over 60 and have had enough of working for the corrupt subbies.
We will all be retired in ten years. That is over 50% of UK bricklayers.
A perfect storm is coming.
Iv been laying 17 years and have had a gutfull already. Bullshit regulations making it harder and harder by the year to just make a living.
@@1973miniclubman Like I said, there is a perfect storm coming and only those in the trade know. We have all had enough. If you ignore the day rate and actual work out what we earn per year, we are probable the worst paid trade. Painters earn more than us because they don't get rained off.
@@harveysmith100 totally agree with ya mate, been doing it 17years and in that time can honestly say iv only come across one young lad who’s has the minerals to get on with it, most buckle within first couple month.
And the work of large sites is piss poor. Site agents straight out of uni who don’t now there arse from there elbow, iv just doing a job at chi army barracks, converting a flat roof between to houses into a pitch roof, due to ongoing issues with damp; builds only 9 years old and I have never seen anything so poorly constructed: insulation with 30-40mm gaps, lack of tiesF undersized cavity’s, walls leaning, shit pointing; parapit wall cavity solid filled with muck. Causing water to piss In at hof.
Makes u wonder where they get these muppets from!
And like u said for the money we earn we’re defo one of not the lowest paid trade, but one of the most physically demanding. And this summer like last has been crap!
I've been bricklaying 28 years. House bashing 25. Had to leave. Subbies taking all the money. More and more jobs expected of us and not being paid for while agents getting massive bonuses for churning out sub standard housing estates but they did have a nice one way system so you couldn't get across the site in any type of reasonable time!!!! Oh and silo muck is still to this day the worst stuff invented for laying bricks!!!!! Fact!!!
Not just bricklayers, plumbers and sparks, i got 3 years to retire, I finished site work years ago, got fed up with over burden of health and safety, forced to cut corners to save money for employer, general over bureaucracy (NIC) regulations, went for a simple in house maintenance job, regular pay, just take the money now and switch off. I think
This country is b0ll0xed now, next generation not interested in working hard like we did, now Labour are in it will get worse, I reckon by retirement time we will be so highly taxed we will be better off dying early, perhaps thats the plan 😮
The Government's own demographic statistics show immigration to be predicted around 700,000 people per year; so all the proposed new housing is still insufficient.
Good call!
Half of that is students they go into students accommodation 😊
@@imbonkers3629 Presumably the same number of students leaves too. So if those numbers are extras coming in not balance by leavers?
If it does happen, imagine the state of them…
Quite
Are they floating in bricklayers on dinghies now.
@@summittaedae2323 Yes at the rate of about 150,000 per year.
The quality of volumetric new build homes is scandalous and a national disgrace already.
@@martin2466 Been like that for decades. It’s because the business model of house builders is based on the increase in value on land without planning permission to the same land with planning permission. That can go from £10k per acre to over £1m and that profit is not taxed. In the days before the 47 Act builders competed on the basis of quality. That’s when they started including integral garages, fitted kitchens and design features like stained glass. If you want a well built house go for one built in the 1930s
1.5 million homes but not for the english but to keep up with immigration. Good bye to the culture of England's green and present land.
It's not just the houses that would need to be built it would also be all the supporting infrastructure & utilities, road upgrades, extra services etc. I currently work with a large number of civils companies and there's also a massive shortage of skilled workers at all levels of construction not to mention material supply issues and sky-high prices. Labour's projected numbers are a joke
you would do all that for black people?
There are shortages in the electricity distribution industry. These projects require planners, legal specialists etc... as well as the engineers to do the work. At the same time they're targeting Net Zero & want to install millions of EV chargers, which in turn will require upgrading the network. When you look at these goals & the resources available to implement them, it's clear things aren't adding up.
i had a phrase for their election campaign, "Anything for a vote!"
@@McMonkeyful the Net Zero policy is bonkers. If CO2 is a worldwide problem then it doesn't matter where you cut emissions, what matters is you cut them. It's been shown many times that you're better off investing in the developing world to cut emissions there vs. reducing emissions in developed countries where we've already got most if not all of the low hanging fruit.
@@richardroebuck1915 I agree. Also, other than the benefit of cleaner air in cities, electric cars seem like an exercise in virtue signalling to me. The raw materials are being mined by child labourers in the Congo and you lose half the electricity generated in transmission before you even begin charging the battery. When highly efficient hybrid engines are available, it doesn't make sense to me.
They are politicians. Lying is what they do.
They are going to build them cheap, the slums of the future and still they won't come anywhere near their target.
or in 'modern methods of construction' they'll be pulling down in 20 yrs
A slum is not built, It is who you put in it that makes it a slum.
And being dependant means they'll all vote labour in benefits street
In the south east they have built lots of housing estates in nice areas but can't sell the houses because they are too expensive. Croydon council has bought them all and moved people in!!!..From what the locals say they are not people who would normally afford these homes and it has brought the area down
All they seem to build nowadays are three-storey "townhouses" with garages on the ground floor to get around flood plain restrictions. They can face front or back and would best suit rabbits not humans. No bungalows for down-sizing retirees to free up existing housing stock.
In my opinion there's plenty of bungalows already around. Why not make a 2 story house into a bungalow and a flat on the top. 2 units of housing in 1 plot of land.
Flats are the future whether you want it or not.
@@MichaelFlatman Because maisonettes don't work. It was tried here in the late 50s. Pensioners flats on the ground floor with a two-storey house above them. The residents above would look out for the OAPs below. Except it became a sink estate with dregs, druggies, dogs and nightmare kids. Not to mention freehold rights and maintenance.
@@MichaelFlatman No there isn`t my mum had a 2 bedroom one, within 48 hours of her passing I had 4 people knocking on the door as we were clearing her house out, it was effectively sold within 48 hours and I could have sold it 20 times over in that week for well above its official market price.
if they are so eco that they ban gas and oil extraction, focus on EPC ratings, then they might as well ban bungalows, since every single one of them requires 1 roof, vs flats, when you can have 10 flats with 1 roof, also less heat loss etc.
Crazy headline-grabbing targets are deplorable. Roger is spot on here by calling out ANY politician offering-up an unachievable 'target', which may not be a lie but it's in the same ballpark. On the subject of targets, how about we aim for honest politicians who make a habbit of under-promising and overdelivering?
The same target that was set by the Conservative and failed.
Mate I work on a large project in London 670 bedrooms. We are struggling to get dryliners and plumbers coz they are foreign and all go on holiday this time of year plus longer Christmas and New year breaks. How on earth is Starmer gonna find all these hidden talent required to build these homes?? We need to start training our own trades instead of relying on external support. Governments should stop lying to us common men.
And who's checking the work done a dozen different ways because "Is just how is done in Old Country." ?
Lol, you actually think today's youth would ever consider manual labor? That's funny. The hardest work these kids want is tapping on a keyboard at the local coffee shop. Without immigrants, most developed economies would grind to a halt.
Easy fix: sell exposed walls and let the buyers finish them
If you are struggling to get Dryliners and Plumbers then it is because you are not paying them enough. Nothing else.
@@TonyGray-bo4uy we pay millions mate not a small package.
Doctors surgery’s , schools , services ,new reservoirs we can’t manage these as it is let alone extra .
what's the point of new reserviors (Oxfordshire still arguing) when the treated water is p***ing down the road for months on end? (Clifton Hampden - 4 reports since January at least)
@@kathrynwhitby9799 And watch the same people moan when they dig up the road to fix the leak.
Labour will just import more people - problem solved 😅
Hey, you missed the doctors, for the surgeries, oh, and the teachers.
@@frankjenkins6627 not forgetting Boris lads 10 nuclear power plant's,sub it off to the french and subsidise the French market.
This isn't going to change overnight is it, give him a chance to change the rules on this the rules of finger's in pies!
Best thing the government can do to address the housing shortage is to stop allowing 650,000+ net people into the UK every year. Bring it down to 50,000. Aim for 500,000 quality homes in 5 years and we'll be better for it.
Yep, native brit population has been declining since the late 80’s. Only growth is from I’m me grants and their descendants.
Myth @@leeboss373
It's well over 1 million, based on NI numbers issued - and that's just adults. The ONS is sitting on the raw number of passports-in vs passports-out because it would be political suicide to reveal it.
Wasn't it 1.3million this year
@@BobBuilder-mq9wr
1.2m 100,000 more than the population of Birmingham
It's totally impractical ! Typical Labour.
Wall tiler here. Used to work on sites in the late 80's and throughout the 90's. Money wasn't to bad until developers wanted more done, for the same money. And then they wanted even more, for the same money. Something had to give and that was standards. And in the end even that wasn't enough and it became impossible to earn a decent wage. Got out of site work 25 years ago but now those same same standards creeping into domestic works. Something for nothing. I now tell young people to steer well clear of construction.
Give up the standards and let the market do its thing. Stop treating homeowners like children. They'll catch up on what's worth what's pretty soon.
I always tell apprentices to have a think about what they are getting into…. I’d never encourage a youngster to get into building… money isn’t good enough, and vans, ulez, tool theft…. Not worth it anymore
@@seanfallon3783 To be fair i had a good few years, met some great people over the years, proper skilled tradesmen, in the main good clients and i enjoyed my work which i believe one has to. But recent years, past 4 or 4 truly had enough of it. I like the work, i love the people i work alongside, but i cannot deal with people anymore. They are becoming ever harder to deal with, always want work done cheaper, getting paid in a timely manner, surprised that extra work costs extra money and the way in which i sometimes get spoken to or treated. And another big one for me is the cost alone of just going to work. Living in London all the associated costs of parking, van insurance gone through the roof, ULEZ etc etc. And i've had 2 cats cut off my van and my van broken into and cleared out 4 times. It's just to much. And i've kind of contradicted myself on my previous comment as my son starts an apprenticeship on Monday but it's as a lecky on the railway NOT in construction thank god! All the best mate.
@@seanfallon3783 What is worth it now? Tech is on the decline and many white collar jobs are under threat from AI. The trades are actually at least a fairly safe bet in terms of job security if nothing else.
It won't happen, worked in the construction industry all my working life. As a Joiner and Site Manager. Shortage of skilled labour for decades. Plenty of hard graft , money good and bad. Today the young people leaving school want to be influences, keyboard warriors, don't want to work in all weather's. Very rare to see a man of colour on a building site. Why is that. Still expect a roof over heads but no contribution. I am 66 years of age now and don't see anything changing.
This is exactly what Mr Nigel Farage MP, Reform UK, has been saying.
Good to see you on board!
Let's face it we have all just been branded far right thugs how will we have the the time to be tradesmen and be the afore mentioned
I fully agree with your comments and as a chartered building surveyor struggling on every project to find good consistent contractors or the average age of the guys is pushing 60 then most will have retired before 50000 homes are built.
Also as and when the housing developments are announced doubling the previous strategic Planning in Bucks, the locals will fight and delay and i would say Labour wont hit half their target and in process lose there voters. (What few there are)
Disaster on all fronts
@@johnnettleton1240 same as the last lot then in reality, I've suggested a solution that does Indeed revolutionise the game IE more for less labour material crew,who is going to front it, solutions not excuses!
Labour government, nuff said for those who've experienced them before.
It's probably worse than that. The market was already doing this. 2022 added 200k new dwellings. The UK is already on track for 300k homes in 2029. It'll be an average of 1.3 million over 5 years.
They're barely moving the needle to hit 1.5, but they'll treat it like a major milestone.
They're doing nothing and taking credit for it.
It's not just the dwellings, it's the type of dwellings. The government want to house all the immigrants and all the people who live on benefits, and they won't be living in four bed houses with three bathrooms. Even if 1.5m two bed houses were built (which they won't be) with the current rate of immigration it wouldn't touch the sides
Im a carpenter the quality of new builds is shocking my advice dont buy one look for something that was built when people took pride in their work not in the amount of money make for doing the least they can get away with
The cessation of apprenticeships has led to a decline in building work standards. A brief course in a classroom cannot equate to five years of on-site experience.
You can tell the quality of carpenters by the number of saws dumped in skips.
Regardless of political preferences Roger, breaking it down into 'working days' certainly puts it all into perspective, well done :)
Building a house in minutes clearly isn't feasible but how many parallel streams would you need? I'd have thought number of workers theoretically needed would have been a more interesting measure though not necessarily the limiting factor. Land, materials and money also needed.
@@alanrobertson9790 Hmm...you are quite right and of course he said all that during his presentation, didn't he ? I was complimenting him on expressing all those many factors summed up in a very simple way - TIME which most people can understand easily as an expression of difficulty.
Who’s going to build them? There are no builders.
They'll import them. Then guess who gets the houses?..
Making it easier to self-build would help. Self-builders build much higher-quality houses, and there are an awful lot of people that could be mobilised to get buildings built.
They will do it easy 1.5million mud huts
That’s why they’ve imported all those expert mud brick makers and builders.
It's what they're used to ey
Huff houses from germany can be knocked up in a week with 3 men and a crane and no mud on there boots neither.
Straw bales work great , mine are 30 yrs old and good as new
Yeah build them in Ethiopia.
Yes Roger you are bang on correct. What politicians know about construction you could write on the back of a postage stamp.
Only way it will happen is if the government puts massive money in to social housing. An extra 10B-12B per year could mean an extra 40,000 social houses per year effectively doubling the number of social houses built per year. The private sector in the UK has never build more then 220,000 per year and on average is more like 160,000.
Absolutely right, & we have also heard in the last few months that our sewers cannot cope with a downpour now, with raw sewage being let into our rivers & the sea.
Then to add insult to injury, there will be even more runoff with more country side being concreted over 🤦
I think they meant to say "1.5 million extra households in 5 years". An innocent slip of the tongue.
no its ignorance and no knowledge and just keeping the plebs happy so they get there nose in the troth as the last bunch of lying gits leave .
@@Euro2024champs I'm a Mongol.
@@kubhlaikhan2015we need genghis now to help us.
No way could even that be delivered. It'll be chaos with hundreds more illegals coming every day. Not to mention the legal!
It would help the world greatly if only real people with real life experience were even allowed to run for parliament. However we dont have that we have a political 'class' who enter politics immediately from university and are so devoid of any real life experience that they couldn't possibly construct an effective policy. Worst still, they know this, so they outsource drafting of legislation ideas and concepts to KPMG, Deloitte, Accenture etc who directly serve 'other interests'. What a sham and veneer of a democratic world we live in in the West.
His dad was a toolmaker, you know.
They have not got a chance, 1. The government or Councils do not build houses private companies do. 2. Turkeys do not vote for xmas, so why would private building companies build all the houses the government wont and thus drive down house prices because now we have an over supply and this would drive down there profits. and 3. were are all the man power and supplies going to come from now we have left the EU
Spot on with point 1. This is just handing it over to the private sector with some flimsy promise that at least half will be affordable social housing
Councils used to have direct build organisations, they were privatised. They would build minor roads, small housing estates etc and do the maintenance.
But we are where we are, it would take tens of years to build back such organisations.
If councils etc bought land and put the construction out to tender with it stipulated that the council had directly employed inspectors there would be bids.
We can still get Labour from the EU, it will just cost more now because we have made the country unappetizing. I doubt that we could build the number hoped for.
@@johnclements6614 interesting
is that true about council having direct build organisations before being privatised
@@chrisbennett6260 Yes it is true.
One of my friends at school back in the 70s was directly employed by the local council and he would be mainly out repairing pot holes, but would also be on call for car crashes and would build some new stuff but only low value.
In the 80s I was working for a major civil engineering company build a £70m dual carriageway in Kent and the clerk of works used to disappear now and then to go look at a small country road that were rebuilding for about £100k.
It also made councils better clients because they had their own clerk of works, engineers etc.
@@johnclements6614 really interesting
why wont the goverment look at what worked well before ,and go back to what was working
You can bet it won't be their fault? Excuses will already have been written, lying scumbags and how many fell for it.
Like you Roger I didn’t vote because they are all sound bit liars!!! Unlike you I always thought Angela Reindeer was and still is hopeless
You are correct. Roger was being more than charitable to Rayner - who I consider thicker than plankton.
Leave the old grand mother alone :)
good breasts though
@@mrjones9915Rayner makes the plans whilst Abbot does the math... It's a recipe alright
@@criollitoification That made me chuckle. The insanity of 2024 continues…
Can you imagine the snagging needed on a house built in two and a half minutes 😅
You've miss understood, complete a house every 2.5minutes not build it in a total of 2.5minutes
An AI robot could put up a factory produced box in 2.5 minutes.😉
Mud huts go up quickly.
Been in the building trade for over 30 years, took my tickets on machines . Finished a contract just before the government illness. As soon as I say my date of birth you can hear them scunching up the note. Do not want older men just the young they can pay less to.
Not a chance Roger, we don't have a housing problem but we do have a population problem. Labour have already scrapped the rule that houses have to look nice and in keeping with the area so what they are proposing is not the 3 - 4 bedroom decent houses that will last, they want the cheapest shit rabbit hutches that just cause tension with your neighbours, won't get looked after and is a false economy that no one wants to buy and will turn into another difficult estate. Not to mention we don't have the labour force needed for this, there is no young blood coming into the industry and all the decent ones are leaving because they get treated with nothing but abuse and contempt from the industry as a whole. I have done this since leaving school (30yrs ago) and used to enjoy it, but now being told that I need to undergo more training to keep my current tickets because the rules are changing is a farce and blatant money grab, so I have decided to make a stand and have retrained in another industry away from building because it's just getting ridiculous, theres now far too many people in suits either pointing or wagging a finger whilst carrying a clipboard and pointing a camera at the few that are left on the tools trying to actually do the job. I'm not going to miss it because it's no longer the same industry I joined as a youngster. Something drastic needs to change to rebalance the industry.
I think they take us for fools, But I think they are foolish and not very bright.
This new Labour government are a joke. Starmer should quit now before he does anymore damage. Build all those houses in 5 years. I would have more chance of winning the lotto. We have a similarly stupid government in Australia. They are also trying to knit fog with their declarations. Like we will all be driving electric cars very soon. Unfortunately most people don't want them. And some that bought them have gone back to ICE, oops. Politicians must all get special water that is laced with fairy dust, because they are all away with the fairies.
Will wages go up so they catch up with house price rises since the 1980s?
600% house price increase in just 30 years, while wages only increased 200%.
Low wages are the real issue.
UK wages are comparable to elsewhere in Europe except in the UK, housing is seen even more as an "investment", with prices overinflated so all your money goes to mortgage and rent vs rest fo economy.
@@dallysinghson5569 Over inflated prices here because overseas they build home corresponding to their actual populations not what they want their population to be.
Same here Roger I am 64 and find political parties are just full of empty promises, but will always blame the last political party why they can not honour those promises !
Gaz UK.
I don't even bother with the news anymore. Everything is so exaggerated, so overblown and I've got better things to do than get wound up by it all
I can remember asking my old man who he voted for, he said he didn’t bother as whom ever got in nothing changed, I was a bit shocked by this but I’m a similar age now (51) and I understand what he meant.
Politicians today are nothink more than career politicians..
Done nowt in life except lie to folk
Where are the tradesmen going to come from to build them? The standard of tradesman in the UK is already very bad as things stand. The build quality of these houses will be atrocious. They will be getting young guys just out of school with no training or skills to build them. The government spends a fortune sending people to university to study mickey mouse courses, should spend it on proper apprenticeships to create high quality tradesmen.
Tradesmen? Who needs tradesmen? Everything's going to be done using AI don't you know? Or so they keep telling us.
It will be more of the same. Young people who don't know what they;re doing but need money
@@garnhamrthat's how we all started isn't it? If we learn something new every day a 20yr old is obviously going to know fuck all in comparison to a 60 Yr old.
@@wokelefty it’s how those 20yr olds are treated that’s the issue. Companies want experience without investment and push the blame onto the “self employed” tradesmen. It’s not the fault of the company for doing an inadequate site survey and installation plan ;) older tradesmen see through the bs. Younger ones are exploitable.
Agree!! In addition, unless you have massive mortgage deposits or even money in general, nobody can afford to buy in this current climate with the mortgage base rate...
The uk is screwed
The problem is: we need Proportional Representation. Many of us have wondered how this shower got into power when we voted REFORM
The game is rigged
It's quite simple Roger. Import the materials and import the skilled labour (experienced with our regulations of course), then once built, build another 2 million houses for all these skilled workers and their dependents.
We cant wash ourselves anymore even with all the additional workers we've welcomed in the past 20 years, so 1.5million homes in 5 years is never happening!
In fourth skill labour where from Africa you're having a joke
We voted for more skilled African workers because we weren't satisfied with the European ones.
@@dallysinghson5569
No we were happy with European ones it’s just we wanted them to go back to their homelands once the contracts were finished that same reasoning for seasonal workers picking fields etc.
The case in point our builders helping build Germany in late 60’s 70’s to then come home again.
You perfectly summarised the politics in this country. Voting for Labour or the Torys is a waste of time.
It’s a good idea to build on our farm land , who needs to eat anyway.
there is plenty of waste land that is unused. no good for farming, perfect for housing, building on farmland is just plain silly
Yeah, and bring in more mouths to feed👌🏻
@@MinkieWinkle
Where?
95% of the country has not been built on. It's about time homes were built in areas other than cramming more and more into the towns and cities.
I think they are hoping to have free grain form Ukraine for years paying off their weapons debt
I live near Boston Lincs, one of the areas that the government has flooded with immigrants. Around Boston are numerous little villages made up mainly of fields where food is grown. One by one those fields are being sold off and where there were cabbages there are now houses. No new roads, doctor's surgeries or anything else, just more houses, more cars, more traffic chaos etc. More people with less food production will not end well, supply goes down, demand goes up, so do prices.
Too many bummers, lack of skilled trades, rainy weather, unpredictable material costs, material/site security costs, unreliable supply chains, unknown legal fee's.........800,000 would be a miracle.
What we need in this country is a can do attitude. UK decline in most industries is due to poor organisation, unwillingness to change, poor morale and motivation.
We did build 300,000 houses and flats in one year (1969). The year before saw the partial collapse of Ronan Point which drew attention to the poor quality of much of it. I completely agree with you Roger- it’s not possible nor is it desirable to try to build so many houses and flats so quickly. We could build more quickly if the industry invested more in off site production but house builders are very conservative. I say this as a Labour supporter and someone who taught housing development for 11 years.
Yeah I remember them - the working class communities bulldozed to make way for them and the shocking depression and isolation of those who had to live in them. All crap - thanks mainly to the Labour Party who were determined to outdo the damage done by the Luftwaffe.
It was over 400,000 that year for the UK as a whole. 300,000 was normal back before right to buy.
@@macarfs You may be right l can’t be arsed to check. What is interesting is how stable the numbers built for the private sector are. They have no incentive to build to the point where prices fall
@@kubhlaikhan2015 Your own politics distort the facts. In those days both the main parties competed to build the most. The comprehensive clearing programmes ( mostly under Tory governments) did sweep away a lot of very bad housing (no inside toilets etc) by the end of the 60s this practice was generally abandoned in favour of improvements to existing stock via General Improvement areas ( from 69) and later Housing Action Areas ( from 74).
@@jontalbot1 The houses destroyed were high quality Victorian buildings, sound as a bell with at least 100 or 200 years in them. Not having a toilet installed indoors doesn't make them "bad housing". They didnt have indoor toilets originally because people disapproved of crapping indoors! Simple as that. Those that survive cost almost a £million. Most of the crap they replaced it with has already been demolished and a lot of the stuff they are putting up today is worse even than that.
I'm afraid politicians live in a dream world. We all know this will never happen. I retired 3 years ago after 50 years working in construction, over that time, I must have worked on sites for all the major national house builders. there is such a shortage of tradesmen that they very rarely meet there current targets, so who is going to build all these new houses? without all the problems of materials. No amount of money will solve any of the problems. and if anything it can only get worse. youngsters dont want to go working in the rain and cold these days, they would rather go university then get a job at Mcdonalds. thats just one problem, without all problems getting the land and planning.
I agree with you totally Roger. Not sure about the maths of ‘cleverer people than you’ though. 5 x 365.25 = the 1826 days you mention, so the figures you mention are for a 7 day working week including Christmas Day! Love the rants, always lots of common sense contained in them.
And our Rachel has cut the grants to the water companies by £16bn and they have already said forget your new housing. Good innit.
It's not just Labour - for decades, successive governments have promised to do exactly the same thing, but it's an unreachable target.
Even during the house building boom of the 60's, nowhere near those numbers of houses were built, and that was before there were so many restrictions on where you could build.
@Kevin-mx1vi
You are incorrect about the 1960`s.
Almost 300 thousand was achieved in 1967/8 But never reached that number since.
But many more than that were built every year in the 1930s, so it's not impossible. But that was before the Town and Country Planning Act 1947 threw a spanner in the works and gradually made building more and more difficult. And of course many other factors, notably the lack of skilled tradesmen, have now compounded the problem. If the TCPA were repealed and the other logjams addressed then building at scale could be possible again.
@@paulcassidy8130 interesting
So pleased to hear this Roger, I love our greenbelt and building billions of houses is not the answer, deportation is! 🇬🇧🌳🇬🇧🌳🇬🇧🌳🇬🇧
I suggest they use modern capsule homes, with pre-built pods delivered to the foundations to be bolted together and plugged into the utilities. I've seen these in Scandinavia and they're excellent starter homes. More pods can be used to increase the bedroom capacity to 2 , 3, 4 rooms plus the kitchen/living room pod and bathroom/utility pod. Cheap too and uses a relatively low skilled workforce to assemble..
A civil engineer once told me that infrastructure water,sewage,electricity etc used to run on a twenty year cycle because population growth was a steady incline and they knew what to build/ plan for. Now with this huge search in population they will be playing catch up for years.
Average age of a chippie is 52. Even if 4 times as many school leavers join the industry (they wont) there is no one to teach them. HMG ask for tech teachers to have a degree which takes 3 years, so as term starts in a month and will be missed teachers will not qualify for 4 years. She may as well shit in her hat (hard) and punch it. They need to look at the rules, my Mrs is doing a PHD at Oxford and can teach mature students there, once she has her PHD she can not teach at secondary schools as she does not have GCSE maths, she is an archaeologist!
So many builders can be fantastic teachers but have no degree
She'll be able to dig up all the pulled down new builds then, and tell us why they failed, in a few years.
@@the_royal_drop_short. Ha ha brilliant comment!
You don't need chippy if you build concrete flat roofs
@@VanyaYani who's building the shuttering?
@@VanyaYani Oh dear, what a lack of understanding... Whio is it who makes the shuttering for the concrete big boy? Do you think that concrete stairs just appear out of fresh air fom the Part K fairy? I don't know what you do for a living but best stick to it, eh?
And you'll need Architects. But with an 87% drop-out rate from university you'll be hard pushed to find any more.
No offence to architects but once you've designed one set of houses you've done them all.youre not reinventing the wheel each time
I remember reports a few years ago that there are 1,000,000 unused properties in the U.K. is that still the case? Or was it just another number pulled out of the air by some politician?
Supposedly around 700,000 homes are classed as unfurnished and empty with around 260,000 of those classified as long term empty. I suspect most of the "short term" ones are simply going through probate. The remaining 300,000 are mostly short term lets and 2nd homes etc which were classified as "empty" which is not really accurate. Either way even if we could fill all the empty homes tomorrow it would barely make a dent in the overall problem.
@@jannenreuben7398 thanks for a great informed response 👍
Thanks for your practical experience & hard-headed reality - puncturing the grandiose claims of lying politicians…
1.5 million caravans, I bet you.
Oh, wait, they're no longer called caravans. They're called "tiny houses".
Maybe dog houses also qualify to reach the 1.5 million.
It takes just 1 acre of land to house 50.000 people if you build higher. Foundation and land acquisition takes 50% of effort. Caravans would just exacerbate a problem.
Not dog houses, "micro houses". It's not cramped, it's "eco-friendly".
The people who live in caravans in my area call them lodges, always makes me chuckle
Here in St Athan in Wales, there's a gigantic new estate, built exclusively for migrants and it's fantastic with each house having its own generous garden and solar panels. They're of prefabricated construction and are assembled within hours. We CAN do it with Labour's new government!
THEY WONT LAST. the reason building a house takes time is so it stays good and strong for decades, fabricated homes dilapidate very fast.
Jacinda Ardern in New Zealand promised a billion trees and 100,000 houses. Guess what? She achieved neither but the media praised her nonetheless.
Typical politician except for the fact that she's actually liked by the populace XD
@@dallysinghson5569 That's very debatable. She's loathed by a large swathe of the country.
My brother built his house two years ago and the worst part was trying to get planning permission, he was just building a pretty standard bungalow on the site of an old derelict farm cottage, you'd have thought he was trying to build the Albert hall the way they were acting, a total bunch of jumped up little Hitlers, drunk their own power.
1826 days is all of the days in 5 years...If you take 5 days a week at 8 hours a day for 5 years you get 10,400 hours of working time. 1.5 million divided by 10,400 means that they will need to complete a house every 2.4 seconds of working time....
@@paulcassidy8130 are you a labourer or scaffolder by any chance because you certainly aren't a mathematician....
2.4 houses per minute, 144 per hour from your figures which I agree are more realistic which I think is your point here as people don't work 24 hours a day. Either way it's unachievable.
@@andyphillips7437 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😂😂😂
24.96 😊
Every where I go in the West country I see new building and huge estates being built on fresh fields .The rape of the English countryside .
We don't need more houses, we need less people. Mortal existence is fleeting and shouldn't be about finding a shelter.
We built about 150k new homes last year - net immigration was 360k, the sums dont work
@@retroclickmedia4422 Yes buy a lot of those people have a hotel to live in.
@@retroclickmedia4422net immigration was around 700k last year. We don't need them
You're absolutely right. And to expand on one of the points that you made, construction skills are at the lowest point I've seen in my lifetime. Even if they build a quarter of that number of homes, those homes will each have 100s of defects and ruin the lives of countless families.
It wont happen because no one can afford them . What they going to do 60yr mortgages? Put a load of dossers and asylum seekers in them i wouldn't be surprised!
Yep they're only going to be able to build enough for the illegals . Haven't you heard the others are revolting.
Moron.
Oh look Daily Mail reader speaks.
@@nicksimmons7234
Oh, look around you
@@nicksimmons7234 Virtue signaller speaks.
Over 1000 a day? Why isn’t anyone in the media calling out this lie?
According to KentLive There are a total of 7,847 houses in our county (Kent) which are classed as being long-term empty homes.
There is no housing shortage.
Housing hoarding
Yes but they belong to someone somewhere.
Just to put this into perspective, the new targets call for 14,000 homes to be built in Kent *per year* for 5 years. That's also according to Kent Live, by the way.
Politicians - all in it for themselves not us!
Some of the houses could be built in Rwanda. That would help.
Well said buddy. You're one of the few on here we can trust. Thank you.
What's the peak power demand for new house with reverse-fridge heating and one - or two - EV charging points, on top of all the other domestic demand? 40kW? 50kW? More?
The grid is already groaning, and I'm hearing of planned new estates being slashed in size because there's no way to get enough power in, let alone sewage out.
60A max per new home. You'd have to nationalise the electricity supply industry though.
Have you seen him on the punch bag? Ive never seen a fully grown man look more like a toddler. He is no leader, hes being led.
I can never understand why politician's engage in these so called publicity photo opportunities. I have lost count of how many think that putting on a hard hat and hi vis to pick up a trowel for 30 seconds somehow makes them look like 'man of the people'. It is pathetic, what was the punch bag stunt supposed to convey. Like you say it achieved the opposite to a strong leader. Today Anglea Raynor is on the front pages sipping whisk through a straw. This may be how she consumes all her drinks but it makes her look like a child.
It may be that they handed her a glass of whisky to sample and she said "If I put the glass to my mouth nobody will know it is me". That would have been a blessing.
What is the Housing Minister doing visiting a distillery? She couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
This Liebour government couldn't build 1.5 million bird houses in 5 years.
It could if you paid for it all. Be careful of what you wish for!
The CONservatives failed to build 1.5 million homes as promised as well, but we don't worry about the last 14 years of failures as its history.
50 years of laying bricks and can say it can't get done. The factories can't supply, not enough trades and the quality will be apaling.
Will be too busy fixing the damage from the TwoTierKier riots
Succinctly put Roger.Just goes to prove how utterly clueless these so called politicians are. Do they not realise how stupid it makes them look?
I don't think they care about looking stupid. they have a salary and a pension. There is no accountablility