Introduction To Post-Tonal Theory | Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Berg

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  • čas přidán 9. 10. 2017
  • This is an Introduction to Post-Tonal Theory. The concepts of 12 Tone or Serial Music will require a knowledge of terms and concepts that may be unfamiliar to you and your compositional tool-box. This will help to begin down the road of understanding composers like Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Berg, Webern, Babbit, Cage, Eisler and Dallapiccola.
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Komentáře • 52

  • @strandgut4996
    @strandgut4996 Před 6 lety +7

    Hey Rick,
    this is excellent video (like many of yours, I'd like to add).
    Concise and well explained. Please continue this topic.
    Marc

  • @Jojooo64
    @Jojooo64 Před 6 lety +40

    Great introduction. Will there be more videos going deeper? I would dig that.

    • @felipevalentin5025
      @felipevalentin5025 Před 2 lety

      i know I am kind of randomly asking but do anybody know of a good website to stream new movies online ?

    • @omarinolan6718
      @omarinolan6718 Před 2 lety

      @Felipe Valentin Flixportal :P

    • @felipevalentin5025
      @felipevalentin5025 Před 2 lety

      @Omari Nolan thank you, signed up and it seems like a nice service =) I appreciate it !!

    • @omarinolan6718
      @omarinolan6718 Před 2 lety

      @Felipe Valentin No problem :D

  • @StaulkHolm
    @StaulkHolm Před 6 lety +3

    One of my bandmate's used a "12 tone composition" he wrote to design a building for his master's thesis. The piece was actually a bit more complex than he let on and it didn't sound as strange as i thought it'd sound.

  • @n7275
    @n7275 Před 6 lety +10

    Looking forward to this series.

  • @mance02
    @mance02 Před 4 lety +3

    I hope there’s more content coming soon? Appreciate your teaching on this.

  • @davidjohn9972
    @davidjohn9972 Před 6 lety

    Fantastic lesson Rick, Thank you for broadening our understanding of musical concepts

  • @vaspers
    @vaspers Před rokem

    Way to go! You are now hardcore intellectual! Love this. Schoenberg is one of my favorite composers, and I play synthesizers.

  • @baloothedrummer
    @baloothedrummer Před 3 lety +1

    I hope some more of this is coming, I’m estudying the Pierrot lunaire and have so many questions

  • @davidsummerville351
    @davidsummerville351 Před 6 lety

    Great info, can't wait for the next one. Thanks

  • @eemelin6660
    @eemelin6660 Před 6 lety

    I love the use of post tonality as a term here! ”Atonal” as a word has caused quite a lot of confusion.

  • @mirthkon
    @mirthkon Před 6 lety +13

    From Tom Petty to Dallapiccola, Carter, etc. in less than one week? Amazing! I really admire the scope of your musical appreciation and deep knowledge, Rick. In fact, I'd love to see a video focused solely on your experience as a music professional possessing such a broad interest in different styles of music. Being a professional composer myself, I've found my personal interest in the full spectrum from pop to the most obscure, academic avant-garde you can imagine to be both a blessing and a curse. While you get to really enjoy more music than most, it can also be a very lonely place to be when you discover that most people (musicians or not) do not share such breadth of interest/appreciation. Since musical taste is such an emotionally-charged aspect of personal identity, it can arouse great enthusiasm as easily as it can incite intense negativity bordering on hostility. Very interesting dynamics there... Would love to hear your thoughts.

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  Před 6 lety +2

      +miRthkon email me at rickbeato1@gmail.com it's easier than responding here. Thanks!

    • @jimwinters3986
      @jimwinters3986 Před 6 lety +1

      Interview MiRthkon!

    • @mirthkon
      @mirthkon Před 6 lety +1

      Emailed you, thanks!

    • @jonc8561
      @jonc8561 Před 6 lety

      +miRthkon As a professional composer, do you have perfect pitch? Not saying you need it, just curious as what the ratio is of composers with perfect pitch and those who don't.

    • @mirthkon
      @mirthkon Před 6 lety +3

      No perfect pitch. Pretty well-developed relative pitch/pitch memory, though. In my experience I’ve known very few composers with perfect pitch. And half of the ones I do know are from China which, due to the tone-based language combined with the greater-than-average interest in music, lends itself to a higher likelihood of having it. That said, the most impressive ears I’ve ever witnessed were highly-developed relative pitch, not perfect.

  • @sver3
    @sver3 Před 6 lety

    your lessons are gold.. :)

  • @musicformediagr
    @musicformediagr Před 6 lety

    Cant wait for video 2 about this topic..

  • @ygoramaro5637
    @ygoramaro5637 Před 6 lety

    Rick thaaaaank you for this video man

  • @bartondisplay
    @bartondisplay Před 6 lety +4

    Wait, is this re-uploaded? Will you be going in deeper on this?

  • @vincescuderi
    @vincescuderi Před 4 lety +1

    Lol! Sorry, but Dallapiccola came across as 'pickle aloo' in the captions. Indian food on my mind now, darn it. But, seriously, many thanks for these amazing edifying and thought-provoking videos.

  • @hYpYz
    @hYpYz Před 6 lety +1

    check out Blotted Science by Ron Jarzombek. He isn't using this exactly but he is trying to use all of the notes :D

  • @SuonoReale
    @SuonoReale Před 6 lety +3

    To anyone interested in exploring this topic further, I HIGHLY recommend getting the book "Introduction to Post-Tonal Theory" by Joseph N Straus. There is a 4th edition, but you can get the 3rd edition for like $20 online.
    By far, one of the best, if not the THE best, books on Post-tonal theory and analysis. It has ample musical examples and each chapter has little analysis and compositions assignments/exercises.
    Also, Rick, these videos are great; but, I think maybe adding little assignments/exercises/suggestions at the end of the videos would be helpful to folks.
    Confucius say:
    "I hear and I forget.
    I see and I remember.
    I do and I understand."

  • @stephenweigel
    @stephenweigel Před 6 lety

    This is an excellent introduction! I think I'm going to start sending people here.
    Seven interval classes? I thought there were six? Is the unison/octave included as its own interval class in your ideas? I only maintain that there are six because there's never a 0-12 slot on the interval vector. Though I also understand you could be including that for a reason of mathematical correctness, like how 'T0' is used to make sense of transposition, or how the null set must be counted in instances of enumeration.

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  Před 6 lety

      +Stephen Weigel That's correct.

  • @peters6366
    @peters6366 Před 6 lety

    Excellent explanation! Better than my prof’s offered at university. Where is the Beato Academy located? Thx!

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  Před 6 lety

      +Peter Sudbury The Beato Academy you can find at www.rickbeato.com thanks!

  • @RP14_Music
    @RP14_Music Před 6 lety +2

    What's up with the reup?

    • @Billiamo
      @Billiamo Před 6 lety +3

      It's a different length, I guess he changed some stuff to clarify a point?

  • @TwilightZone13
    @TwilightZone13 Před 6 lety +2

    I want to get into film scoring but don't know where to start. I am still in high school so I can't yet go to school to learn film scoring. What can I do right now to get my feet wet in film scoring?

    • @bhargavchavda1478
      @bhargavchavda1478 Před 6 lety

      Bob Kowalski thx brother for info

    • @TwilightZone13
      @TwilightZone13 Před 6 lety +1

      Bob Kowalski thanks for the information. I will try some of this stuff out. I can play piano. I understand it better than I can play it. With the modern technology we have you don't really need to be good at playing piano because you can just draw the notes in your DAW and it will play it for you. And with other orchestral instruments you can just change the sound on the keyboard.

  • @haroun4165
    @haroun4165 Před 5 lety +1

    Let's taste the pie first, then we'll know if we want to make one ...

  • @goncalomarques2711
    @goncalomarques2711 Před 4 lety

    Where the hell is the sequell?

  • @TheSpoonwood
    @TheSpoonwood Před 6 lety +3

    so there's no key?

  • @bobbob-mq9nu
    @bobbob-mq9nu Před 6 lety +8

    repost?

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  Před 6 lety +9

      I fixed one numbering error on the board and explained it more clearly.

    • @TheBlueCream
      @TheBlueCream Před 6 lety +1

      thank you as always !

  • @TheCoastermann
    @TheCoastermann Před 4 lety

    Why is Stravinsky on your list of post-tonal composers? Really? He was tonal.

  • @i.apilado
    @i.apilado Před 6 lety +1

    Huh? -9+3=12? Whattt? My math teacher was totally teaching the wrong way, I prefer this man as my math teacher

    • @kyoushlro
      @kyoushlro Před 5 lety

      Young Tesla thinking of the negative a positive as directions similar to that of limit statements then yeah that kinda makes sense

  • @Mr.Monster1984
    @Mr.Monster1984 Před 4 lety

    It's all Greek to me

  • @tdreamgmail
    @tdreamgmail Před 5 lety

    Why is this even important to know?

  • @theboneybrown2563
    @theboneybrown2563 Před 6 lety

    Post tonail theory? Yuck.