A Most Excellent Gift! Taking the Layout to the Next Level!
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- čas přidán 9. 11. 2023
- A Most Excellent Gift!
This should take my layout to the next level!
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Yes finally! You have been converted! What a nice gift!
Yes I guess I have!
You are very welcome for TMCC stuff sir. It makes me happy to know dads stuff went to a good home and will continue to be enjoyed. Hearing you talk about my dad and I sharing the hobby definitely brought a tear to my eye. I miss sharing the hobby with him. I miss that connection. Connecting with people like you continue to make the hobby fun for me. Look forward to hanging out at a York meet in the future.
Enjoy the TMCC my friend.
The connections we make sure do increase the joy and satisfaction in the hobby, even for an introvert like myself.
I will definitely enjoy this most generously gift for a very long time.
Congratulations. It is absolutely amazing to see the levels of generosity in our hobby. It proves that there are still good people.
Thanks! Yeah this is such a great community.
Wow, that's Fantastic!! Like you said it will bring you added joy to your layout 😄 kudos your friend Bill... awesome sauce
Thanks a bunch!
I have followed you with my post war trains and enjoyed them. A couple of months ago I took the TMCC plunge like you are now. With my single ZW, I added a power master to each channel since I have 4 track power districts. Boy is it FUN!!! Place your PowerMasters so that you can see the green and red lights on them and easily reach the two switches to go back and forth among your TMCC Locos and Conventional. Get use to little delays like you saw when setting up your locos. Well I was ahead of you once. Now we are even. when the ZW is at 18v, then going through the PowerMaster you will get ~ 15-16 volts on the track. Just crank the remote speed control up all the way.
The TMCC is great. Thanks for the tips.
I’ve been thinking of doing this for 25 years lol. This might be the nudge that I finally need. Glad you like it and thanks for sharing!
Do it! Super simple and work’s fantastic
Congratulations Dave!
You will enjoy it!
Thanks! I am so far
Congratulations, that is a awesome gift! Welcome to command control, you're going to love it and all it can do. No turning back now! Now you just need some power masters to run the conventional engines from tmcc system.
BTW get some distribution blocks to use for accessories and lighting to help kepp runs short and wire organized.
Yes yes yes! I really have to get under the layout and do some decent wiring. Just got some supplies. Hopefully soon!
God Bless! Back to the Future moving forward! Congratulations too U
Thanks!
Congratulations. You have progressed to a bigger world.
Thanks!
Great gift 👍 Thanks for sharing looking forward to see where it goes 🧐
Thanks! It’s great so far
Hi Dave, congratulations on receiving your fantastic gift. My advice would be to get a Lionel power brick with updated circuit breaker. I have learned the hard way frying electronic boards on engines and other equipment using my old ZW transformers for powering track. The old circuit breakers will not trip early enough to protect modern equipment. My ZW now only powers accessories.
Thanks! I’ll probably just add inline breakers, the ZWs are just too iconic for me to replace. Appreciate your input!
This hobby is full of wonderful people!! Thanks for sharing.
It sure is!
Amazingly keep up the good work and the vids🎉
Thank you! Will do!
Dave…long time follower….67 years old and am in a rebuild of my large layout…felt like I had one more in me with reconfigured board with wide open middle…I decided no TMCC …I guess I’ll got to my grave with ZW’s and a couple of MTH transformers!! I have 32 engines…Post war MPC MTH rail-king and Williams!! It is what is…pls continue with your wonderful budget videos
Absolutely nothing wrong with conventional!!
Multiple trains on the same loop will provide hours of Gomez Adams approved fun with your layout😉👍
I’m not quite brave enough for that yet!
Kudos to Bill for such a generous donation to your channel. There's nothing wrong with a little modern technology to make the hobby more enjoyable. I enjoy running my pre, post, and modern lionel. It all depends on what mood I'm in. Congrats as you enter a new phase of the hobby, which is ever changing as you explore new opportunities that are out there. Enjoy the journey.
Thanks Del! A fantastic donation for sure. I figure a set towards the present doesn’t dilute my enjoyment of the past.
Always enjoy your videos, Dave, because of your honest appreciation of your fans and their interest in your achievements. What spectacular gift! You totally deserve it. So glad you continue to enjoy the special generosity of fans.
Thank you so much.
Welcome to the future you will love it you're blessed with great followers now the snow ball begins ! lol I have had the Cab1 for about 2 years now and just preordered the Base 3
Thanks! Oh it’s a slippery slope for sure!
Welcome to another rabbit hole.....Good luck!
Down down down!
I like the Alco, looks like the one I explored last week
Nice!
The more you use the cab 1 the more you’re gonna fall in love with it. Set Your ZW’s up with line breakers and stray voltage diodes on each output and you’ll be pretty well protecting your loco electronic systems. I run 5 loops I use 1 180W brick and a ZW-L for the other 4. Lionel says anywhere from 16 volts to 18 volts is fine , what’s more important is how much amperage they put out. I sent my Brand new ZW-L back to Lionel because it was barely putting out 16 volts and they told me it was fine.. a lot of guys say they run their command engines on lower voltages and they seem to have less problems
Breakers and TVS diodes on the shipping list. I always thought you needed a full 18v for the command engines, good to know.
Nice gift Dave.
It really is!
Well that's a fine, fine gift you've gotten Dave! And if you're dipping your toes into "The Dark Side" at lest you're doing it for free!
🤩🤩🤩
One suggestion, try using the TMCC at less than maximum power from the transformer and see how it works. I seem to recall when TMCC came out in the 1990s some guys were burning out the wiring in their passenger cars will all that juice flowing through them. I never heard of any engne issues though.
Enjoy it!
Thanks Wayne. Yeah I could imagine a constant 18v could be a bit much for equipment designed for variable voltage. I’m pretty sure my prr smoking caboose won’t last long if I keep using it
Congratulations on getting TMCC Dave.
Thanks!!
Amazing gift. People in this hobby are wonderful.
Definitely definitely definitely!
Excellent Dave!! I have a bunch of TMCC compatible engines but no $$$ to buy the base and remote set. Congratulations and enjoy your journey into high tech! 😀
Thanks. It’s frustrating how that money runs out! I’m enjoying the TMCC so far
The TMCC base must be grounded... plugged into an outlet with a good ground. Otherwise it will act sporadic. I had this problem in the beginning with an older house.
It’s all good so far. Good solid ground.
That is awesome Dave. I have DCS but I want to eventually get into Lionel command control. I agree that there are a lot of great people in this hobby.
Thanks Corey. Do it!
Totally awesome! I have been using the Cab 1 controller on my S Scale engines that are tmcc and legacy. I checked through some of the comments to see if anyone has mentioned this, if you are using an older transformer make sure to get the Lionel Circuit Breaker that they make for use with older transformers so that the boards won’t get fried if you have a derailment. Very important! I don’t believe they are expensive. There should be mention of it in the book that came with it.
Thanks. Yeah Henning’s trains sells one. Need to pick some up. If I’m not mistaken, the power masters have internal breakers ( but not the base) either way a good idea.
Cool!
Thanks
Enjoy 😎👍!
Oh I will and I am!
A wonderful gift and gesture by your follower! You now have a fleet of tmcc engines and need to start running 2 trains per loop for more action on the layout! The lionel power bricks provide plenty of power for a good price and are available in 135 and 180 watt bricks.
I’ll keep an eye out for the power bricks, hopefully I’ll find the 180 for a good price. They are a little too much on eBay right now.
@dagryffynhobby I have found the four I have at train shows for $45-50 each and they work fine. I found 3 more that had their connector was cut off but still had them included for $40 each last weekend but I didn't need any more at this time. They are out there you just have to hunt bit.
Been using 2 powermasters and cab1 remote to run my conventional trains for several months now, using 2 KW with them, really love this set up. I have found the cab1 really does need to have the antenna extended at least half way to work well. Great video!
We have CAB1/Base1 and a powermaster, and I think this is a good way to go also. We're mostly TMCC, but also some conventional, Protosound 1 also. CAB1s are not crazy valuable and do almost everything.
I’m finding the antennae out makes a different too.
Dave into TMCC 😮 no way 😂. Yeah TMCC is easy. The toughest part is lashing up two locomotives but I covered that in a video a few years back.
I’ll check that out!
Very interesting. I run conventional and I own no modern, command control equipment. I bought a gentleman's layout a number of years ago and it came with a C80 transformer and controller. I've never used it, but I figured that if anyone came over to run trains with command controlled engines, I would have the transformer to safely run their stuff. I guess that the breakers are set up to act instantaneously to protect the circuit boards, whereas older Lionel transformers would fry the electronics before the breaker activated. The new stuff is cool, but not my cup of tea. I'll stick with my post-war and MPC stuff, which will run forever. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks! With the postwar I really feel like I can just let them run for hours without worry, any of the modern stuff I m always afraid I’m going to blow something up!
Run the Train
Yes
You have beautifiul layout and i love your rs3 remind me of the addams family movie
Thanks so much
@@dagryffynhobby you welcome
How do you have your wood shelving together behind you ? Looks like you have a board under your shelving against the wall is that fastened with the Craig tool ?
The shelving on the wall or under the layout. Wall: no backing, just supported with strips of wood and screwed right into the wall. The floor, freestanding but screwed to the underside of the layout with backing screwed to the shelves from behind.
Next week: Daves shows us how to install a DCC decoder in a Marx tinplate locomotive . . .
Now that would be something!
It toook me awhile to figure it out but you do not have to crank the track voltage to 18-20 volts to run the Tmcc engines. This means that you can run conventional engines on the same track with a tmcc loco….just start the conventional engine first with the transformer so that the voltage gets to 12+ and then control the tmcc loco from the remote. On my layout, a double dogbone in a 5’ x 25’ room, I can easily run 4 trains with one conventional loco and one tmcc on each loop. The big key is to use slower conventional engines, like those AC engines like the classic Santa Fe with the Pullmor motor or the old turbine…your Marx and some of the O27 engines just go too fast on 12 volts for the tmcc engines to stay ahead on the loop….Looking forward to seeing 6-8 trains running on your 4 levels….what fun.
I am using a 180 block for each loop together with MTH dcc variable control with the wifi remote to run my conventional trains. I have connected the tmcc via their special connector to the dcc so that, when the voltage is high enough, I can kick in a tmcc engine to run with the conventional loco. I used to use an old lionel ZW but the MTH approach let me have walk around control and whistle/bell control for the conventional engines. My track is Gargraves Phantom line with each loop having only 2 drops and I have had no problem running 2 engines with each pulling lighted passenger cars. Perhaps the conductivity for the old lionel track is a problem, but I think your control issue is more the size of your transformers. With the number of drops you already have, rebuilding your ZW’s is the real key. BTW, I never really enjoyed using the inner rings on the ZW to run trains and so , if you can, rebuild 2 ZW’s phasing them together(this is the key to using tmcc with both ZW’s.)
I would not have thought about running conventional and TMCC on the same loop. It sound’s nerve racking!
Not really a problem when the conventional loco needs a lot of power to move relatively slowly, since the new engines with tmcc have a faster speed at lower voltages and thus you are just adjusting the speed of the tmcc loco via the remote. I do admit that I run shorter consists when doing this. Each of my loops has a passing siding where I have power switches on the tracks between the switches which allows me to run 2 conventional locos on each loop. If the conventional engines on each loop are approximately the same speed for the same voltage, and one loco starts to catch the slower one, I let the faster loco enter the block and turn off the power to the block and let the slower engine regain a sizable lead and then turn the block back on. This is easier if the engine has a direction lock but newer conventional loco start their direction cycle with forward and in the time it takes for the slower engine to gain a lead the faster engine will be off long enough to reset the direction cycle to be forward first. This works nicely for my Williams locos. I bet it would not work for Marx engines if they were not the same speed but you might not have to worry since your loops are continuous without turnouts that might trip the direction of their mechanical direction unit. You could experiment with Marx locos and adjust the speed of each train almost totally with the number of cars in the consist since the motors in the Marx locos are so similar. As you might surmise, I love lots of trains moving. I have run 3 tmcc engines on a single loop using the passing sidings to have consists pass each other with all the trains on the loop in the same direction.
Wow. amazing! I have not really considered going TMCC since it involves moving to a higher level & price for compatible locomotives. I do own and use some non conventional electronic controlled gear with my HO layout which has both DC and DCC (using Digitrax DCC) and I also have 1 Lionchief Pennsy 0-8-0, my 2 Menards (bluetooth?) and a beautiful MTH Blue Comet 831 that I can operate either conventionally or using the MTH DCS Remote Commander. Never say never I guess.
I am finding a number of TMCC engines in the sun $300 range. Im also excited about getting the conventional engines working with the power master controlling the track power.
Congrats Dave. I'm about where you are with three TMCC engines, but no PowerMaster. I'll be following your 1990's electronic journey closely. Thanks.
Thanks! I’m really enjoying this!
Not enough power? How about using a Variac?
I should be good with the ZWs
Hi Dave I purchased some menard track. At least 1 pin on each track I can spin. I have tried to tighten them with no luck at all. Do you have ideas you can pass along. Good luck on the tmcc.
What did you try to tighten them with? I would recommend track pliers or diagonal cutters. I do know that Menards is very responsive if you want to contact them
@@dagryffynhobby what I found out was the loose Menards pins i pulled them just a little and they locked in. Thanks for responding
Congrats Dave! I’ve been running TMCC since I graduated high school. If you plan too run the system. From what I remember is too Make sure you plug in the TMCC base before you turn on the power too the layout while it’s hooked up too the transformer. This video also might explain more then I did: czcams.com/video/FJjV43K7Ygc/video.htmlsi=TZ22ldVjVcaZ0Mj6
Yeah it works better if the base comes on at the same time, but with the power turned all the way down on the transformers it doesn’t matter that much really
You're probably gonna want to pick up a power master. So you can run conventional using the cab one. Also I don't know what you're using for power supply. But at least adding a power master will give you a fast acting circuit breaker. Post war transformers circuits are too slow will cause damage to modern engines. There are people like Hennings trains who will rebuild your z w with a fast acting circuit breaker.
Definitely getting a power master, maybe a power house if I find one at a good price. Other than that, ZWs with breakers.
Oh no It's too late, Luke. You have crossed over to the dark side. May the force be with you.
I have. And I don’t even feel guilty about it!
What did Master Yoda say about the Dark Side? "Quicker, easier, more seductive!" 😂😂😂
@dagryffynhobby I knew sooner or later you would succumb to Nick Vader. I've been thinking about TMCC myself, but I enjoy spending my time running trouble-free and old-school too much. They both fit right in with being cheap, without any aggravation. 🤣
If it doesn't work do engine 0 set it will reset it
Good to know, thanks!
Welcome to the dark side 😆😈
Thanks. Now where are the cookies?