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Atheist Debates - Interview: Dr. Robert M. Price
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- Part of the Atheist Debates Patreon project: / atheistdebates
Dr. Robert Price teaches philosophy and religion at the Johnnie Colemon Theological Seminary. He has a PhD in Systematic Theology and a second PhD in the New Testament. A published author and recognized expert in the history of Christianity, biblical criticism, and theology, Dr. Price has also written books on the historicity of Jesus and the various Christ myth theories.
He has served as a fellow of the Jesus Seminar, the former editor of the Journal of Higher Criticism, a fellow of the Center For Inquiry's Committee on the Scientific examination of Religion and the advisory board of the Secular Student Alliance.
He graciously agreed to sit down with us to discuss the historicity of Jesus and how or if this topic has relevance in debates and discussions with Christians.
I could listen to this guy talk for hours. Although I'm not too sure about his casual dismissal of Santa. Perhaps he doesn't own a mirror?
Sometimes we learn so much more about others before we know ourselves. Perhaps Dr. Price is in this camp when it comes to his glaring Santa like appearance.
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LOOKING LIKE Santa, does not prove the existence of santa.
i guess it is kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good site to watch newly released series online ?
@Marcellus Kellen Flixportal
You gotta love, Price. He did this interview all in one breath. : )
Yes Robert is really amazing, and it's BECAUSE he's so genuine, honest and sincere. He's a fine example of someone who can appreciate conclusions drawn from observation and rational, logical thought. He is calm, collective and interested because truth is really so simple. It's rationalizing a lousy belief that gets difficult.I'm so happy the blur cleared up for me. Foride r the first time I felt real responsibility and empathy for others.
I was just thinking that right now ! (watching it for the 3rd or 4th time) - he actually does keep going and going - and it's glorious. Easiest Patreon Project video for Matt ever :-) (But really enjoyable and informative to listen to)
Alan W That's Funny!😂😂😂😂
Just what I was thinking.
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"Salvation by gullibility". What a great line - that just about sums it up.
Great line indeed!!
"I don't want to just switch teams, I want to get out of the stadium." I love that line.
Yeah totally my sentiment.
Robert Price is such a great speaker / communicator and a brilliant scholar. I could listen to him all day.
It's always a pleasure to listen to Robert Price. Very informative and entertaining.
Dr. Robert Price, a powerhouse of knowledge. What a wonderful man....
Dr. Robert Price is absolutely my favorite guy to listen to! He is the best of the best!
Thanks for the interview. Too bad you had such a hard time getting Bob to talk.
It's always like drawing blood from a stone, Dr Bob is just so secretive.
Glad that my friend Bob is still at it and going strong. It was my pleasure helping launch The Bible Geek. :-)
I discovered Bob through his debate with Phil Fernandez on your show. We are now good friends!!
It's always a pleasure to hear him talk. Thank you for this!
Let's word it this way: The Jesus of the gospels never existed. When almost every miracle Jesus does in the gospels is taken from previous literature, and the epistles are generally devoid of anything remotely resembling the Jesus of the gospels (in all of Paul's letters he mentions precisely NONE of Jesus' miracles or teachings) then I could say without much hesitation that the Jesus of the gospels never existed.
Was there A teacher figure prior to the gospels being written? Was there a hero figure prior to the gospels? Was there a traveling prophet? A doomsayer with "woe to Jerusalem" on his tongue? Yes, these TYPES were there. JESUS was not.
Just my opinion after studying the topic for many years and reading a couple of Mr. Price's books as well, including "The Christ Myth and it's Problems".
TruthSurge However you have to admit the belief in JESUS The Christ has, does, and will change lives for the better. It works!
it may work for a small percentage of people but I think the opposite happens more often. CHristianity doesn't make people any better or nice or give them anything more than any other religion gives their constituents. Obviously, it doesn't work. Prayer has never worked because there is no one to answer them.
How does believing in the existance of a miracle working superman change one's life for the better?
Scripture seems to contradict your claims.
"The devils also believe, and tremble" (James 2:19)
If Jesus wants peace on earth and he his Yahweh's son why can't they work together to bring peace?
“Non threatening” presentation of the skeptic arguments is a great tactic. I’m enjoying watching the various channels on CZcams using the very strategy, Street Epistemology.
Thanks for a great interview!
I've watched several videos by Robert Price, and I am always amazed at how long he can talk without interruption.
And as always-
The Price is Right!
I'm fairly certain I could listen to Robert Price lecture all day.
I love Dr. Robert M. Price. . .a great voice for the messy and inconclusive nature of the Bible. . .
"Is it salvation by gullibility?" ah ah! I love this guy!
Can't describe how much I love Bob. Learned, articulate, forthright, quick.
A real raconteur in the vein of my main man, Terence McKenna.
stvbrsn I like Bobby also
"Ascpelius, the Marcus Welby of his day" rofl Not only is Price a genius he is also hilarious.
***** Yes and one would have to have a bit of age on them to get the reference to Marcus Welby. It was one of my favorite shows back in the day.
I listened to this 4 times in a row.
Great interview. I like how Price presents himself and how he approaches questions. Thanks!
Gotta luv ole Price...Nice interview Matt!!
What a fascinating guy! Great to listen to.
Would love to sit down with Mr Price and have a beer over some deep theological questions.
i agree, but make it a coke for him; bob doesn't drink.
I am such a huge fan
I have nothing but the utmost respect for both of these men. What a fantastic interview.
Robert Price the closest thing to the truth, what tremendous courage.
Dr. Price looks just like my dad, lol! Great guy, love listening to him. Thanks for having this, Matt! :)
I'd love if Price had spoken this way in his debate with Ehrman. He is ten times as intellectually honest and genuinely more interested in truth.
This my first Price talk after exhausting most of the Dawkins, Hitchens, and Ehrman talks. Im just sorry I didn't check him out sooner. Love this guy!
Though I disagree with Dr. Price' conclusions, he is yet highly intelligent and highly informed.
Has Bart Ehrman ever debated Robert Price on the historicity of Jesus? I'd love to see that. I've seen Robert Price debate William Lane Craig on the historicity of Jesus' resurrection. That was a doozie. Price mopped the floor with Craig mostly because facts are on his side and William Lane Craig is a walking talking Special Pleading Fallacy.
eas leeps There's rumors that this might happen at some point...only problem is, Ehrman asks for a very large cost to do such debates/appearances.
eas leeps All of the money Ehrman makes from debates he donates to charity. Yeah, what a "grubbing asshole".
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Ehrman donates his debate/speaking fees to charity. Even the proceeds from his blog, which has a pay wall, all go to charity. I know you were joking, but I just want people to know that he's not just holding out for filthy lucre.
Cheers,
- Ozy
Ozymandias Ramses II Yeah I didn't mean to insinuate that he's a money-grubber or anything, just that it's expensive which therefore means it's hard to get the debate arranged.
Southpaw Σ:3 Price needs to go ahead with the crowd funding thing he's been talking about. Ehrman has said he'd be happy to debate him. I reckon Price could easily raise the money. I'd put in for it. Not sure what's stopping him. If it goes ahead, I hope it's more of a 'conversation' than a formal debate (which often boils down to 'debate tactics'). I still think there was a historical Jesus, but I think Price could ruffle some of Ehrman's confidence on the issue. Price and Ehrman are two of my favourite scholars. Would love to see them go head to head.
Price is a living Book.
I've been following him for 2 years. Just luv this guy, he has stored data in his hard disk aka brain.
I like listening to this guy. usually voices are not all that enjoyable but this is one
Hey Matt, I really enjoyed that interview, having never been exposed to Dr. Price before it was good to hear his take on mythicism. So thanks.
Price is brilliant. I love listening to this guy. You too Matt. :-)
Even though I know a lot more about the bible than the average Christian, Bob Price is one of those guys that makes me feel like I know nothing.
Great video! Great series, too!!
Robert M Price. Wow. He's the real deal. I loved his final thoughts. His "get out of the stadium, instead of switching teams", I'm using that one. And, "if you're interested, here's why I can no longer use these arguments".
gotta love Price. The more I see of him, the more he is brilliant in my eyes. The gnostic example is particularly compelling.
OMG! Dr. Price cites Galaxy Quest?! 19:38 My absolute favorite scholar ever! Carrier has got to up his game.
Always great to listen to Bob. I can't recommend "The Bible Geek" enough. Give it a try.
I never tire of listening to Bob Price.
all these videos have been fantastic. this one was one of the most enjoyable. really enjoyed his discussion on the topic. really presents his ideas in an enjoyable way. Also, it helps that I agree with what he is saying.
Excellent!! Thank you so much for your work and excellent choices of guests. Please pass on my thanks to Dr. Price and others you have interviewed. I will do so indirectly by adding to my bookshelves and directly by contributing to your Patreon project. I encourage like-minded viewers to do the same please. Thank you so much.
Love Price !!!
A fascinating video.
He is the best in content and delivery.
Second speech i listen from this so learned guy. Very very interesting. I would even say pasionating.
Please keep these coming. Thanks for taking an interest in sharing the mechanics of the debate.
Dr. Robert is a well informed person and I love this talks including one with Aronra. Which was a good one too. Well done video.
Dr. Price brings up some very good questions.
Love Dr price's humor, so entertaining 👍
could listen to this chaps accent all day.... raspy with a slice of hazzard county... epic beard and professorial glasses...
Good stuff!
Galaxy Quest. :-) I hadn't considered the obvious comparison. That's good.
Great interview, Matt. I became aware of Dr. Price in "The God Who Wasn't There" and have been a big fan ever since.
Robert M. Price is priceless again!
Price is cool as hell. Although some of his political/social views are a little to Conservative for me. He enjoys watching Fox news, I would love to see him have a spirited talk with Bill O'Reilly. He really needs to do more debates.
Matt Dillahunty Did you delete Elizabeth Newton's and my comments from this video, as I cannot seem to find either. If so, why?
A snapshot of the comment can be seen at theveganatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Matt-Dillahunty.png
TheVeganAtheist so you come to his page, he responds to you and says it is an issue he really doesn't have a position on and then you insult him? At best call into the Atheist Experience like GMan did.
vivahernando1 firstly, he did not respond to me. Secondly, I did not insult him.
apologies I thought it was your avatar in the top comment. I don't recall AA ever delving into veganism or Matt in particular. I would think you should debate Jillian Michaels or someone in the field of diet/fitness. She is pretty outspoken against a pure plant based diet. Don't think it is Matt's wheel house
I'd like a debate with Elizabeth over 4-4-2 v 5-3-1 with attacking wing backs . Not your field got no interest?
Pussy
Jebus some people
TheVeganAtheist lol....maybe there is a reason Matt has not responded to this comment.....maybe he wants you to grow in critical thinking and ...maybe even VERY shallow critical thinking to figure out why. I sure have come up with 3-4 reasons immediatly after clicking the link. Maybe.....maybe this is why there is no response video that elizabeth asked for....because you cannot even figure this out xD.....and if he did why does it matter? lol idk how the answer helps anything.
An intelligent source in the forest hidden by the tree. A light in the dark.
Thanks Matt. You, Price and Barker are the shit!
Great last min advice about exchange of ideas!!!
Price and Ehrman debated this this. I think Ehrman won the debate but that's just because he's a better debater. This is the setting where Price shines. He brought up a lot of great points. I appreciate the interview.
I've recently read the three first Gospels again and except for the beginning and end of the story it seems quite plausible that they are describing a charlatan of that time. So, I think this Jesus character has probably existed and later some people added a few mythological details to make the whole story more appealing.
Question:
How did the authors of the New testament obtain the exact words Jesus spoke 2000 years ago
when he was alone in the desert and alone in the Garden of Gethsemane?
Answer: When Jesus hung out with his apostles he would tell them stories that went like this: "Did I ever tell you about the time Satan tried to give me what was mine if I would bow down and worship him?
or
My mass murdering father just now told me he wanted me tortured to death to save mankind from the hellfire where I planned on sending them.
Yup, it's man made fiction from the New Testament.
James Richard Wiley Through divine inspiration they’d say. Apparently omniscient narration is only a hallmark of fiction when it appears outside the Bible. That boarders on special pleading if you ask me.
Matt, thank you for your work. This channel is great ammunition for Socratic questioning of my indoctrinated family. So far I have my sister waking up and leaving a cult. Only three family members to go.
16:30 "...is it salvation by gullibility?...." Sounds about right to me.
Forrest Gump is full of references to actual historical figures and events.
Yet, who among you believes the movie Forrest Gump is a detailed historical account of the life and times of Forrest Gump?
Loved his first point through the two minute mark.
I have always held that a third party contemporary witness would be awesome.
What I have looked for is evidence such as-
Three wise men/or Kings and the entourages made a many months long journey of a life time to see the King of Kings. Arriving from different lands then returning home with tales of out running Herod's army after having seen the new King.
Yet none of them has ever been found to have written down anything about their journey. Not even those who stayed home wrote of their leaders\wise men leaving for months to see the new King.
Nothing
Incredibly broad knowledge about the historicity of Jesus. Extremely interesting.
😂 "non-falsifiable gas bag"...that was great!
I was an orphan, so I daydream about my parents and what they would be like....Mr. Price fits my fantasy birth father mold to the 19th power💪🏻
I can empathize to a degree. I grew up without a dad and a mostly-absent mother.
Sorry to hear you were an orphan. I hope you have a good life now.
Bob Price is such a badass.
A tour de force here from Dr Price.
Bigtime
I've been a big fan of Price's fiction and especially his H. P. Lovecraft scholarship but this is good stuff too
5:11 I've thought this same thing for some time, but it's the first time I've heard someone else say it. (Not that I think that Price just thought it, since I learned long ago that I have no unique ideas.)
Salvation by Gullibility ...Love it lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
My question is: When is he going to finish Winds of Winter?! We've waited long enough!!
I kid, I kid. :)
Five years later, and that joke still works. When is he going to finish Winds of Winter?
39:02 - I've been doing this ever since I realized it was the only thing that actually seemed to make progress one weekend arguing with a close relative who was half-out but still vehemently defending our childhood christian indoctrination. They simply have no good defensive offense for any part of their faith. Well said, Bob.
Good to hear Robert Price mention the similarities between the Jesus stories and Homer's Odyssey, if anyone hasn't seen it, check out TruthSurge's "Excavating the Empty tomb" series on CZcams, well worth a watch.
“Stuck in the middle with you brand of scholarship.” Perfect.
dont forget zarathustra was born of a virgin impregnated by a beam of light & went to hades for opposing zeus (demiurge). mithra was part of the zoroastrian faith & became the official god of the roman empire. sound familiar?
I love the asymmetric framing of this video. Makes it much more personal than a vanilla talking head.
When it comes to Jesus, ask these questions. Did Jesus die? Is Jesus God? Can God die? Contradictions are bound to come from the answers. Can a god die? Which part of the Jesus story in the bible must necessarily be made up due to the contradictions of these three questions. When Jesus says in the bible, "why have thou forsaken me?", isn't that filled with the absolute contradiction that Jesus was god?
Hannibal Lecter
It depends who you're talking to. Some Christians (like the Arians) contend Jesus isn't divine.
Christians that assert Jesus' divinity mostly assert he was also human. Jesus' soul survived, so he/the god part of him didn't die. Just the human part did.
When you debate theists, it's good to be prepared for answers they might throw back!
We need to put a picture of the shroud of Turin next to Robert Price and Richard Carrier.
ajs1031 Go ahead and try to prove it is a sixth century fraud because you won't be able to because no man can show how the image was put on the shroud by man.And once the evidence is laid out about why it cannot be reproduced by man and the many ways it leads us to believe that the image on the shroud was produced by Jesus Christ himself as he rose from the dead it will be evidence for Jesus Christ.Real physical historical evidence that Jesus existed and performed miracles and rose from the dead just as the bible says that atheists ignore. My faith in Jesus is not blind faith.
Oh wow, I never knew you interviewed Dr Bob! Saving this to watch later. Was this around the time of the debate you chaired with Bart Ehrman?
"It comes down to a non-falsifiable gas bag!" - Robert M. Price
Love dr price
I wish that Price had been like this in his debate w/ Ehrman... I found him to be much more convincing in this interview than in the debate. I think that maybe he felt attacked in the debate.
Robert! LOOK AFTER YOURSELF. DON'T EAT SO MUCH. SLEEP MORE. A WALK OR TWO WOULDN'T KILL YOU. YOU LOOK LIKE WARMED-UP SHISHKEBAB. WE WANT YOU ALIVE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME YOU WONDERFUL MAN! BIG HUG!
+Alexander LegisNonScriptae
Excellent comment. It may be too late to change his lifestyle towards healthier habits. He speaks clear and strong, because that is what he is exercising all the time: his thinking and his talking. But he does not exercise his body. He can barely hold his chest and head. He seems to have lost all muscle power. I was thinking: this man is not going to live long.
Fantastic
Bob is our good friend. He dedicated his last book to us!! ❤️❤️💜💜💙💙
A great video to share with a Christian or Muslim! Excellent job!
What a perfect analysis of Ehrman! An atheist who can't admit it!
I'm at 29:27. While I'm very much enjoying Dr. Price's perspective, and I am very interested in it lately, I think Matt makes a good point about Christian "victimhood" as promoted by the Sermon on the Mount (or level place, depending upon which gospel you read). The sayings of Jesus here describe persecution as a sign of the legitimacy of the Christian message. Christians really take this to heart today. The more criticism they face, the more vindicated they feel. After all, Jesus said this would happen. They hated Jesus too! Price may say later, as I think he would agree, that this saying of Jesus stands a great chance of being a later interpolation onto the lips of Jesus. This very well may have been a case of bishops being afraid of losing new converts over ridicule. So, the message was hatched that if the world hates you, that means you're doing it right. After all, they hated Jesus too.
Well Matt answered my question as to how Priest's who do their little alter boys without the regard for Jesus's moral teachings:They must use the loophole that we are all sinners and in the NEXT life all will be cool and be forgiven.
Either that Oor they just see through the b.s. and do whatever trips their trigger...
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Very interesting
Around 30:00 there's talk about prayer and how failed prayer is on the person. I've only ever asked god for 2 things and those were really fucking important to me. God didn't answer my prayers. That was a huge step towards realizing that he isn't there for all practical purposes.