Travis Kelce is the greatest tight end of all time! - Ryan Clark | First Take
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2023
- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Ryan Clark and Dan Orlovsky debate who the greatest tight end of all time is and where Andy Reid ranks among the best coaches to ever coach in the NFL.
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I’m 37 yrs. of age and played football for 8 yrs..I’ve been watching, studying, and, analyzing the game of football for 30yrs. Travis Is the best TE when it comes to big games, agility, IQ, awareness, route running, & coming up big in clutch moments. 💯
gronk better
@@KobeJordanHakeem100%
@@KobeJordanHakeem frrrrrrr
Watch Kelce be wide open is like watching Steph Curry get open 3’s. Like how tf is this happening????
Seriously. I get so mad…like how tf can you leave that man wide open lol
He just gets open. Thats why hes the best
Cause Kelce said it once he don’t be running the play Reid says to do sometimes he just goes on and do his own routes which gets him wide open and gives him an easy way to get the ball from Mahomes
Andy Reid is the second greatest coach of his era and arguably the greatest offensive mind of all time, up there with Bill Walsh.
I think Bill Walsh is better just because he created the West Coast offense and he has two more Super Bowls but still Andy Reid is one of the greatest coaches ever my top three Bill Belichick
Bill Walsh
Andy Reid
@@giovannimiller1659 Walsh only has 1 more Super Bowl than Reid by the way.
@@BoskoShabazz yeah, that’s true but just the way wall changed again you know what I mean
Shannon still has the record for most yards for a tight end in a game and with the pass game elevating like it did is really impressive
Gronk is bettt
Gronk is better, Stats are based off multiple games of being phenomenal not one.
@@dyland1286 I never said sharpe was better! and this comment is stupid when Shannon is in the hall of fame and possibly a top 5 tight end ever!!! I was simply saying with the way the game has changed and that record is still there and he was on a run first team
Shannon literally called kelce the Goat on his podcast
@@johnlewis8934 this has 0 to do with my comment bud lol all I said was for a GAME he has the most ever
Two things you will hear in American sports radio invariably: "I've never seen anything like that" and "So and so is the greatest of all time!"
Like Ryan said what makes Reid so special is the success of the coaches underneath him have had in there own careers. There are 8 current nfl head coaches that came from the Andy Reid Tree. 4 of the Head Coaches in this years playoffs were coordinators for Andy Reid. Bellichek is an outstanding coach other than Nick Saban in college most of his coordinators have struggled in head coaching jobs.
Just based on what I've heard about Belichick vs Reid, Belichick has to always be in control whereas Andy always is willing to help everyone be the best while also allowing to do their own thing
Gronk is the GREATEST TE 💯 but Travis Kelce is making his way up that ladder!!!
Not according to stats. Gronk cant take big hits.
Wrong
Whattt? 🤡
The way Gronk was defended was nothing like Kelce. He was triple teamed any time he went down field meanwhile teams sit in zone against KC.
Kelce gets doubled all the time, gets beat up at the line all the time, still gets wide ass open because he's the GOAT.
Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than bill
No he gets doubled all the time lol idky ppl just say stuff knowing it's wrong. Makes it seem like u troll. He is open all the time when EVERYONE knows he is getting the ball. EVERYONE
Travis is the greatest route running tight end of all time. That, combined with
the improv that he has with Pat allows him to break off routes and find openings. Do you think teams are leaving him open on purpose to score touchdowns?
They sit in zone because Travis kelce matches up against every position better than anyone else. It's impossible to play man against travis.
If Tony Gonzalez had pat Mahomes it would be no discussion
NO QUESTION!
But he didn’t
Yes it would. Tony while great wouldn't have had much better stats then Trav.
As much I love both Travis and Pat, it was Tom & Gronk who stopped them 2x from getting a SB. I really don’t think those can be caught; at least in my lifetime.
No it was that defense that stopped them lmao
@@warzone7180 LOL tom and gronk were on defense 🗿
And that Manning boys stopped Tom 2x...lol Also Gronk didnt play in all the superbowl wns he got rings for
@@justinannanmanthodo5010😭😭
For all the people disregarding Shannon Sharpe, understand that passing wasn’t the biggest element like it is now… and he still put up 10,000 yards. Travis is number 3 to me, behind Gronk and Gonzalez. Gronk is the ONLY TE to league the WHOLE LEAGUE in reception TD’s and not to mention he has 5 years of 10+ TD’s (The Only TE to do that as well). And Gronk is the greatest BLOCKING TE whose ever lived. Travis is in the convo and he’s getting there, but he hasn’t been able to block like Gronk or catch TD’s like Gronk. 🤷🏽♂️💯
Travis has had multiple seasons on par wit fro Ks greatest season
It’s refreshing to see not everyone is a prisoner of the moment and understands the differences between the eras and how that impacts stats (regular season + playoffs). Kelce is definitely top 5 maybe top 3. Ryan Clark has been drinking that kool aid.
@@G00DFELLA Of course man. You know that these guys say certain things so they can make their money 🤣
Shannon would of been bananas in this era
@@broadwaybiz211 He’d probably have 13-15,000 receiving yards man.
Let’s not forget about Antonio Gates!!!
@Brief Keef shit it’s close
@@tevincollins2869it ain’t. Antonio was a dawg, and for a long time at that, but he wasn’t able to put it together, in back to back to back seasons, for as long as a span as Kelce. I’d have gates about 5th/6th behind Kelce, Tony, gronk, Shannon, Ozzie, then gates
@@Wop06 he has the most TD's for ANY TE!!! So what do you mean he didn't put together back to back to back seasons haha Kellen Winslow, Gonzales, Gronk, Gates, Sharpe are all ahead of Kelce 💯💯💯
@@louisloother301 first of all that’s because he played for damn near 15 years, I would hope he is the all time td leader. Second of all Antonio gates had 2 seasons in those 15 years of 1000+ receiving yards, Kelce has SEVEN consecutive seasons of 1000+ receiving yards. Kelce almost has the same amount of receiving yards as Antonio gates while playing like 5 less seasons. As a matter of fact, I’m not sure there is any other tight end in nfl history that has that many consecutive 1000+ yd seasons, I think gronk may have had 2-3, but not seven…that’s what I mean when I say Antonio gates wasn’t able to play at the same level as Kelce for as long and continuous as Kelce did. And that ain’t even counting sb appearances, sb championships…Kelce already has the same amount of pro bowls and more first team all pro selections than Antonio gates did while playing 5 less seasons. You can have the debate with gronk and Tony, but Antonio gates ain’t even in the same stratosphere as Kelce or the other two. All time great for sure, but he ain’t touching kelce, and that’s coming from someone who watched the full careers of both.
Since I've started watching Football,I've seen this title given to Mark Bavaro, Shannon Sharpe, Tony Gonzalez,Gronk,and now Kelce.
Shannon sharpe 10,000 yards receiving in the 90s is basically 15,000 in today's game.
Nah...Gonzalez was soooo much better
You have to think that if the league has done so much to protect the quarterbacks in todays game, it makes it easier for tight ends to get receptions which means it’s easier for modern tight ends to put up stats. I am putting TG and Shay at the top and then Gronk and Kelce
Agreed, also a lot of hits/tackles that were allowed back then that TG and Shay would receive, would be illegal now. Like back then you could get destroyed running down the middle of the field for a pass. Now adays, it's a lot easier for TE's to get open and catch passes.
Gronk Kelce comparison is so tough because their impact is soo big it's hard to measure. They both are absolute nightmares for defenses
100%. Kelce is hell to scheme for and Gronk was horrifying after the catch. He’d get a reception and take a SS and LB with him for another 5 yards 😭
Top 5 tight ends in NFL history
1) Travis Kelce
2) Rob Gronkowski
3) Tony Gonzalez
4) Antonio Gates
5) Shannon Sharpe
Gronk is the greatest. He could do everything at an elite level. The only way you could stop gronk was to try to hurt him and knock him out of the game. He was always getting his knees chopped. He was unstoppable.
Kelce hasn’t passed Gronk yet. Gronk got hit with some nasty ass low tackles because you couldn’t tackle him one on one unless you took his knees out. He was megatron at the TE position. Gronk would block defenders into their coaches lap. You couldn’t ask for better hands. Kelce/Rice as Gronk/Moss. IMO
Ryan gives a great argument for Kelce. However , it’s just crazy how good gronk is a lot of Brady’s successes in the latter years of his career were due to gronk.
The only thing I can say against Gronk, was that he was unfortunate to be injured as often as he was. He could have been greater if fate dealt him a better hand (and if DBs didn’t aim for his knees).
Gronk knees arent te issue. research his injury history. Week bones up top
@@gnd111Yeah but he did tear his ACL twice and his MCL once I believe, but you’re right.
We live in a society of what have you done for me lately and forget what others have done..
Easier for receivers in today’s game, impossible to compare accurately
After winning just 2 chips he's the greatest now. Don't get caught up in the moment and forget about Gronk now
RC forgot all about Shannon Sharpe and Tony Gonzalez
I still don't see how they can have a serious discussion about best coach ever and not even mention Vince Lombardi. He coached a total 10 years, 9 in Green Bay with 5 championships (2 of which were SB I and SB II) and in 1 years turned the Redskins fi0rom a cellar dweller into a playoff team (2 years later the made it to the superbowl with much of the nucleus Lombardi developed).
Truth. Nothing on these shows is a serious discussion. It's just fodder for today's casuals.
Andy Reid is in the top 5 after this win.
Rc need to stop smoking because gronk is the GOAT...
With this tweet you just adited your on drugs Kelse is miles better than Gronk no debates
Travis Kelce in my opinion is top 2 Tight End of all time hand downs! He is very underrated and he have no weakness to his game at all. Before Travis Kecle leave the game of football for good, he will win 2 or 3 rings before it all set and done! Andy Reid is the best Head Coach is the best Head Coach and that is a fact!
The way people talk about KC and Kecle is like Tim Duncan Vs KG or Dirk when it comes to him Vs other TE players
Even Shannon Sharpe said gronk is the goat
Gronk not only was unstoppable but he was an incredible blocker which Kelce is not
How many blocks you think they're going to show in Gronk's HOF highlight video? 😂
@@billbrasky7885 yeah and so kids like you have no idea who is the better player, just who has the better highlights
I think Gronk has the greatest TE season of all time just look at their stats Gronk never the sustained success Kelce had over his career
@@butterxo3094 gronk also had injury issues cause he was so damn big and was used as a blocker all the time because New England would run it way more than KC does. Guys would dive head first at gronks knees to take him out in the time
@@kurtschaaf2165 True but sometime your best ability is your availability and Gronk's body just broke down before all these other great TE. Is he the BEST ever (most dominant) I'd agree is he the GREATEST ever I'd probably disagree I think Tony G or Kelce are ahead of him
Don Shula, Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichik, Jimmy Johnson, etc...
It’s like they are trying to force it down our throats 😂😂😂
tomlin and ried. great coaches
Andy Reid makes alot of good to great players look godly
GRONK HAS 4 RINGS...Sooooooo Stop It
These guys on t.v. have such short memories. It's unbelievable that they played the game. Travis is good but so is George kittle and those other guys they mentioned.
How many rings and pro bowls Kittle got?
Prisoner of the moment
@@QuanLovesGaming 4 time pro baller.
@@QuanLovesGaming kittle never had anyone near to patrick mahomes talent throwing him the ball he's had Brock purdy and garoppolo throwing him the ball in a run first offense and yet he's still one of the best tight ends in the game imagine if he had mahomes all these years like Kelce
Boy we know Gronk was the best freak of nature tight end to this date. Caught in moment ass TV people
It blows my mind that the media is comparing the chiefs dynasty to the patriots dynasty and brady to mahomes or bellicheck to reid. Patriots 6 superbowls chiefs 2, patriots reigned for over a decade the chiefs haven't even reigned for half a decade. But I guess they need something to talk about because the patriot dynasty is over.
We forgetting it takes a qb.. Tony didn’t have that all day like Gronk , kelce.
Ryan Clark is on a cap world tour lmao
The common denominator for head coach Any Reid and TE Travis Kelce - QB Patrick Mahomes! Another common denominator: Head coach Bill Belichick and TE Rob Gronkowski - QB Tom Brady! Without Mahomes or Brady, forget about Super Bowl wins and GOATs...
It’s gronk. Shannon sharpe. Tony gpnzalez and Kelce on Mount Rushmore of tight ends
Gronk is the greatest and most physically dominant TE ever in my opinion. Emphasis on Tight End. Kelce is a TE in name only. He’s basically Jimmy Graham
Ryan Clark is the definition of: prisoner of the moment
Chill Kelce put up solid numbers before Mahomes came alone
67 for 862
72 for 875
85 for 1,125
83 for 1,038
Before Mahomes came along, put some respek on him
Ryan Clark mentioned them all except Gronk. Gronk is Gronk.
He called Bill Walsh....Steve Walsh...lol
I think Travis Kelce is like 6 playoff tds from eclipsing Jerry Rice
Gronk & Tony G ahead of Kelce. Their body of work was insane. Tony put up insane numbers with average QBs his entire careers. Gronk & Kelce had HOFs throwing them the ball…
Why do these people always say "The Greatest of All Time" with Tight Ends is entirely on the receiving side? Does being a good blocker count for nothing anymore?
He’ll need atleast 1 more ring and i think it would be cool if he passes rice in tds then yes he will be the goat
Because the middle of the field is like the Autobahn it's way to open nowadays that's what he's getting all those not disregarding his success just saying it is what it is
I'm sorry I am taking Reid>BB any day. BB is a mess without Brady. We've seen Reid divisions with different QBs, make SBs with a different QB, and just continue to win.
Wow KC has had Tony Gonzalez wooooohooo and now we have Travis !! We rock!!
Ok I’m confused how can he be the best TE if back in the day the middle of the field wasn’t as open as it is in todays game I feel like it’s not fair
That a hoodie or a hangover house coat Sas..
You guys are just prisoners of the moment
Ryan Clark didn't mention Don Shula!!!!!?
Everyone forgot about gronk already? 😂
So many people are bashing on Ryan Clark, saying "what about Gronk?" Re-listen to what Ryan Clark said. When it comes to the post season, Kelce is above any TE, the stats prove it. Regular season, there is a debate to be had, but post season, the games that again, matter most, Kelce's only competition is who? Jerry Rice, the best WR in the history of the NFL. Think about that for a minute. Now answer me this, which matters more, regular season stats/success, or post season stats/success? I think we all know it is the later. Gronk is probably the best blocking TE to ever play, dude is beast in that regard, but in terms of the best TE when it comes to receiving and making plays, Kelce is proving he is the top dog. In the games it matters most, and against the top teams, Kelce is the dude.
The greatest that isn’t named Rob Gronkowski.
he's better than Gronk.
If he plays another 2 or 3 seasons he'll easily separate himself from Gronk.
@@truedariusno he’s not 😂 gronk is superior and Kelce is a wr
@@musicindustrydrama838 superior at what? Blocking 😂 that’s about it
@@matthewwilliams4168same amount of games played and gronk has two more rings + 23 more touchdowns 👌🏽
In this version of the NFL maybe but in my opinion Gates, Gonzalez and Gronk are still ahead of him.
yup. everyone was like without hill, KC was in trouble. No. The best target was and is kelce. He's the go to, the safety blanket.
I think Gronk & Gonzalez are better, but he's up there for sure
Shanon Sharp is literally one of the most famous football players of all time.
Not yet
Gronk’s number 1. Leading the league in reception TDs is ridiculous with a record number for any TE. The resume is there with the 4 rings too but what puts him over Travis without question is his blocking. You can argue over their job as pass catchers all day with Travis’ speed and ability to create space to Gronk’s physicality and his ability to make nothing into something by running people over. But tight ends also are responsible for blocking and Gronk was by far the greatest when it came to blocking. While Travis is decent he is definitely not elite as a blocker. There are multiple names you can put among current players that are better than Kelce at blocking with number 1 being Kittle. At no point in Gronk’s prime was there someone that was a better weapon or blocker which is the difference for me.
Has not passed Tony Gonzalez and Gronk yet imo. He can get there, but not yet
Regardless of stats, the eye test tells me gronk is better
So we gon act like Gonzalez had a QB like Mahomes or a coach like Reid 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣
Travis Kelce is holding his own on the Chiefs roster. He's doing great with their QB Mahomes. They proved that they were different.
Ppl in media have goldfish memories for the click bait. Gronk was getting triple team and putting up these numbers. Shannon Sharpe got 10k yds when TEs weren't even viewed as WRs. Gonzales literally was the iron man for TES. Antonio Gates was the only rival closest to Gonzales during his Era. He's in the convo for top 10 but he's not dethroning any of these guys yet. At best, he's on par with Gates.
Rob Gronkowski is the greatest blocking tight end in NFL history
Not yet but if the chiefs keep winning he will be because all of those records will get broken as long as he stays healthy
3:53
Give Kelce the ability to play with Mahomes for his entire career, he’s the best TE of all time hands down. Kelce is already in the discussion and he played with barely average QBs most his career before Mahomes.
I Understand him being in the Convo but We wouldn’t be saying that if he was never with mahomes and Andy Reid, not better than Gonzalez or Gronk 💯 if kittle was with the chiefs this whole time we’d be saying the same thing about him also
Considering Kelce has more playoff receptions, yards, and TDs than every player in NFL history except for Jerry Rice, considered the greatest WR ever, it’s disrespectful to claim anyone else is.
Fact
i understand and i’m not even trying to argue, i’ll just say catching / scoring isn’t the only thing a TE does to help his team win.
run blocking and pass protection also plays a role, just saying 😅
you do have a great point tho , that’s an incredible stat
Ryan Clark is so much a prisoner of the moment is laughable.
This guy essentially just says everyone is the best ever
I think after this last SB, no doubt that Travis Kelce is the best ever….period
This guy might get the ball, but no way he’s The best.
He's the GOAT. Straight up. Look at the numbers, look at the records, look at the film, nobody can stop him, he's the GOAT.
@@tylerprince3496 Gronk averages about 7 less yards per game compared to Kelce but is in another stratosphere in regards to blocking. Kelce is in the debate but Gronk is clear.
Gronk
Sharpe
Gonzalez
Gates
- love kelce but a bit too soon
Tony Gonzalez and sharpe
Tony Gonzalez put up his stats without an all time great quarterback
If he had Patrick omg
That catch Kelce made at his ankles? Gronk could never make that. Kelce makes elite WR catches, that's why he has numbers that only Jerry Rice surpassed. Kelce is always available too, he's #1.
Greatest yea but Gronk was best at being all over the field from outside to slot to fullback and still acting like an offensive linemen in the run game
I think RC is jumping the gun just a little bit. I think when it’s all said and done Kelce will have three or four rings and will records like most yards by a TE all time I mean this dude is a stat machine and has bare min of 1k yards every year since I could remember and will have the most TD by a TE ever. After he gets one or two more bling and those two honors I think he’ll be the 🐐 of TE but as of rn I’ll say he’s four behind Gronk, Tony G, and sharpe in that order.
The only player to catch more TDs in the playoffs is Jerry Rice. He’s the best ever folks.
Travis is the goat and I don’t understand how it is a debate
Gronk and Shannon are definitely greater
Damn no gronk? I fw TK but put some respect on gronk name now
Travis kelces numbers are ridiculous. Too good and consistent to not put him there in my opinion! Gronk got injured too much or else I would’ve gave him the nod
Prisoners of the moment
These analysts are the biggest prisoner of the moment guys. If gronk was doing what he did now and Kelse was retired they would say gronk is the best
Tony Gonzalez never had a QB as good as Elway, Brady or Mahomes
Gronk, Shannon, Tony. C'mon now. Talk about being prisoners of the moment.
Disrespect to Tony Gonzales 😭😭😭😭