A Nostalgic Goodbye To Britain's Oldest Passenger Train. Class 313 Same as Flying Scotsman?
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2023
- Its Farewell to the class 313, The oldest EMU Train currently working on the UK Railway Network. After 47 years of service the class 313 is being withdrawn from passenger service with Southern Railway. We take a nostalgic look at the 313 and what it means to me. Will it be remembered in the same way as classic trains such as the flying Scotsman and Mallard?
We take a walk along the Ouse Valley, grabbing some last videos of the train in action, as well as some drone footage across Glynde Reach Viaduct and Tide Mills Between Newhaven and Seaford.
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the legend of the 313...
I first travelled on a 313 in the August of 1976 from Drayton Park to Essex Road. They had been introduced on the Moorgate branch that month running between Drayton Park and Old Street. Moorgate station platform 9 & 10 were not open yet as the escalators were being renewed. The full service between Moorgate and WGC and Hertford North started on Monday the 8th November 1976. I remember on that day coming past Hertford North and seeing the 313's at the station. When introduced they had an odd way to open the doors. There were handles on the inside and outside and when you wanted to open the door at a station you had to pull on the handle similar to opening a patio door. The mechanism was extremely heavy. In time this method was abandoned and the guard opened and closed the doors. Eventually the guard was done away with and the driver did the job. Finally push buttons were added for passengers to open/close the doors. Although they were quicker and quieter than the class 105 DMU's they replaced, the seating was not as comfortable. In contrast to today's trains the seats were like armchairs. I travelled on them for many years between Hertford North and Old Street for work.
Had my last VEP two weeks before we lost them, 3 Seaford + Back, had over a dozen doors on the catch, Ding- ding - - - - ding, as someone ran down the steps at the last minute as we were pulling out, but it was still sad knowing that it was probably my last one unless the following fortnight had some serious stock alterations and it was 377s forever after as I did my last trip with the Westinghouse brake - old fashioned bliss, I took early retirement in 2007 before we got the Plastic Pigs and 313s, had never ridden on one since I went to New Barnet on one from Moorgate in the early 80s and got one back from, Stevenage in 1985 after Deep Purple at Knebworth, I miss the Plastic Pigs, I would try to catch one every time I went up to London after I retired
Goodbye 313’s, gone but not forgotten.
‘And you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone’ - Richard
It's true, there used to be a lot more variety. Now the HSTs and class 91s are disappearing and it's a shame because when I see them they bring back so many memories for me.
19 Becomes 0. Thanks for sharing the SN class 313/2s journey. They've done the best work that not even a 377/3 could do now... and thats for a 47 year old EMU .. a Huge milestone and Achievement, proving newer is sometimes not always better, from 2010 they've hurtled along the coastway route continuously. Brought in to boost capacity on other SN routes they truely have done the best job possible even to the very end *3203/3213 & for awhile 3209 which decided briefly to forget how to train on the19th* as of today days after.... The coastway is not the same at all.
One final time, 2 on the bell and send it from the platform.
I watched them arrive and rid of the cursed 3 car 377s and luckily 19th i got to see them off into retirement. 2010 - 2023
As somebody who lives in seaford I’m very happy yymade this video
Hello, Richard, I'm a huge fan of trains and locomotives, I live your content, keep it up, I'd love to drive a train when I'm older, if I lived in your country, and if I could see you driving a train, I'd love to drive it with you or be in the cab with you
Hit the nail on the head. Where I live couldn't wait to see the back of class 25's on the Crewe - Cardiff and bring in the class 33's. Omg I would give anything to have that back. Mind you I like the 175's..... they'll be gone soon.
Thanks Simon.
I never got to Experience Riding on a 313 but they will always be apart of Southern!
Rip 313 You served the south well!
Fair play to you Richard, that’s a great tribute to the old work horse! In the mid eighties my mum and I were invited into a 313, in the front vestibule next to the cab by a train driver friend who happened to see us at our local station. I stood there at the front window mesmerised with a beaming smile at the age of 5 or 6. Something I will never forget which is probably why I am still so obsessed with trains! 😂
313 203 was my last ever ride 😓😢
I still miss the class 483 (1938 tube stock) on island line and did go on them on the last day even though the island was locked down
Beautiful tribute Richard. They weren't the best, but they were good workhorses. They were the newest stock on the railways when I became interested around 1978. I used to travel from my aunt's house in Mitcham to stand on the country end of Finsbury Park watching, (and listening to), the Deltics and HSTs powering out of "the Cross". But, of course, the 313s were a constant presence, buzzing like bees up and down on stoppers to Hertford and Welwyn GC every few minutes.
Great video, I'm going to miss the 313's they were great for cyclists many times I've gone from Bishopstone to Lewes or Brighton, now I will have a toilet for a short journey but nowhere to put my bike whilst I use it, oh well that's progress.
I wonder about age when I find I can remember catching The Master Cutler from Marylebone to Aylesbury, hearing the empty coal stock heading north in the night, malachite green, slam-door stock between Waterloo and Portsmouth Harbour and the public debut of 442s at Bournemouth. No longer needed to change for Poole. The good old days when you could afford railway fares. Memory Lane is bathed in perpetual sunshine.
Really liked this video
Thank you
Cracking video! Goodbye 313….
Just seen you on someone’s TikTok live driving 69008 👍
Hope I made some noise pulling away!
I wish digital cameras were about when Deltics were in their prime and I remember how offended I was when HST's came out but I soon grew to like them too, Deltic roar and Valenta thrash...my favourite sounds. I will never miss Pacers, what an abomination, a joke and an embarrasment to anyone who worked on the railways...at least people I worked with. I will miss HST's with their Valenta engines and the Mk3 coaches which must be the most comfortable riding coaches I've ever been in. Now I'm thinking back I'll also miss Class 56, 37, 47 and 31 in that order, I'm looking back to mid 70's to mid 80's as my favourite times.
Why am I actually about to cry lol
Amazing tribute. Made me tear up a bit
Thank you. My wife who has no interest in trains said the same thing.
Love the drone shots !
Nice video. I felt the same way about the Class 317s. I was so glad that I got to ride on their last day of service between London Liverpool Street and Hertford East.
I worked the 314's as a guard when they were new. I hated them.
So sad seeing it go but very happy to finally be using the new trains starting from today
Great video. Love the drone shots .Greetings from Australia.
Thanks Richard, greetings from the UK
A powerful piece Dadrail. As a follower of yours for some time its funny how worlds crossover. I used the 313’s spanning the Silverlink and Overground era’s growing up so always had a soft spot for them. As you so well articulated, they may have only been PEPs but they meant something to a great number of people.
Being a Londoner I was always a tube enthusiast but 313s were the bridge that took me into mainline territory, as well as similar aged HST’s. I also remember slam doors on the kent lines fondly from my trips out there.
Wonderful footage and I love your summarisation “one day it’ll be gone and you don’t know what you’ve got until its gone” is something enthusiasts only know too well, too late.
That sound just says Hertford Loop when I hear it. When commuting they were long past their best, but having seen them in Blue at Ally Pally as a 3 year old I was fond of them, then at school seeing the 315s rattling past on the Churchbury Loop. The PEPs did a very very good job. To be mildly loathed by their punters and never actually identified by them shows they did their job. Farewell.
Yep, exactly this! Had very similar memories too with the Class 313's and Class 315's. My earliest Class 313 ride being on a Silverlink Service from Dalston. I'm only 24. I had a very PEP'y childhood, with the 315's being on my local, hearing them rattle over Bury Street junction and I lived in Palmers Green for a couple of years. So the 313's were also my local too.
Watching this from the Northeast part of the United States Richard and for the Class 313/2 these are the same age as our Silverliner IV and Arrow IIIs Metro-North M2s dating back to 1976. Perhaps they should preserve two of them BR Blue 313 201 and 313 121. You are on TSW ECW due to the power line pylon. Still live on TSW the 313/2
We live in East Worthing so most of the time it is a 313 from West Worthing to Brighton. We call it the sh*t train LOL as the ride and noisy is horrid and we always hoped we would see and electrostar turn up. Presuming we will getting electrostar's all the time now on that route but now been down to have a look
They've arguably served many more people, and over a longer period of time than certain well known A3 Pacifics (No. 4472 about 40 years, Class 313 at least 45 years)
That’s a very good point
A very emotional post, I'm probably 20 or so years older than you, but those childhood memories mirror mine and I have my memories too I saw the true PEPS 4001, 4002, and 2001. The prototypes. Now we turn our attention to the HST, ppl forget they're from 1976 as well. Then it's the 507s and 508s. I have pics fron those 80s days which I have uploaded as a slide show on my channel somewhere, go take a look. Anyway great tribute thanks for posting.
I'm just a few years older than you but, I also share the same memories of the slam-door stock along the East Coastway through Polegate.
My dad was a signaller at Hampden Park box and I spent many a weekend sitting in there watching the 13:55 Eastbourne to Manchester Piccadilly thrash through and the southbound Sussex-Scot from Glasgow and in its last years from Edinburgh around 8pm in the evening.
Sundays at around 8 to 9pm was the ECS from St Leonards depot to Selhurst, with 2 DEMU's. You would hear them thrash as the come off the curve at Polegate and you'd hear them to just past Wilimington Level Crossing.
I still have a vague memory of the 4CAP's stopping at the old Polegate station and also going into the old platform 4 at Eastbourne. Not bad memory for a 39 year old!
12/10 video Well done sir
Aww, nice tribute Richard 🙂
They should be hailed as a stepchange in UK traction tech really, as the first dual voltage units ever to run on 25kVac overhead and 750dc 3rd rail. My DI learned on them as his 1st traction!
I lived on their original route Letchworth-Kings X/Moorgate. Would regularly see them at Hitchin, in BR blue or NSE livery, mixed in with HSTs, 312s, 317s, and 101 DMU's to Huntingdon (the ECML was not fully electrified then!).
Going on daytrips to London as a kid, we'd take a slam door 312 (fairly dull and old looking) but if we were going 1 or 2 stops, 313s were sooo exciting. Automatic doors, it was like going on a spacecraft 😂
Thanks for a great video !
These still seem like new trains to me. Grew up with SUBs and EPBs. I remember when I was young having no idea how old or young these units were.
Although I’m not from uk, I would think every train have a good job of doing their jobs, and I mean every, farewell 313s, let’s hope it’s preserved
Fantastic video I don't personally know the 313s as I grown up in the Midlands so me my childhood trains are the 158s I can see why people have soft spot for a train.
Amazing video! Gave me goosebumps
Nice video Rich! Had this feeling on so many trains
Beautifully put 👍🏻
Living in Robertsbridge now, but grew up in Hastings. Used to get trains to Eastbourne & Hampden Park a lot. Its odd hearing you talk about fond memories of this area. But I have such great memories of the trains as a kid. My dad couldn’t afford a car, so when i would visit him, wed get a train to Shoreham to visit my Nan. I used to be blown away by how advanced the ‘electric door’ trains looked, compared to our slam doors.
From Levin, NZ.......In Aug 2004.. my wife and I had made contact with a couple living directly across the road from the Salehurst Halt.... coming to visit our daughter who was working for a year in a school just out of T Wells, we stayed 3 days with this couple.. who were kind enough to take us to Bodiam Castle...
So, yes... Robertsbridge.. where they make cricket bats.... took the train to Charing Cross from there...
Very pleased to see that the heritage line has come right through to join the main line...same now as the Spa Valley Railway through to Eridge.
I enjoyed your video and the way you put it together; great story with well-mixed piece to camera and wide & drone shots. Very watchable, cheers
I can totally relate to the nostalgia but not appreciating or recording at the time. I grew up in Birmingham ans remenber going into town on class 117s (replaced by 150s), and going to Manchester and Leeds on trains hauled by 47s, 86s, HSTs. I latterly lived in Hertford so commuted on 313s and am quite fond of them. Glad to have got some cab rides in on them whilst working for GTR!
Hi There Again it is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris, I have another interesting idea for most of you Class 313, Class 314 and that also is including those interesting Class 315 Fans out there, rather than scrapping most of those Class 313's Class 314's including the Class 315's maybe you guys can convert them and including the refurbishment into those Volvo B10M Engine, Scania N112 Engine, Cummins M11 Engine, Gardner 6LXC Engine, Gardner 6LXB, Engine, Gardner 8LXB Engine, Class 313's, Class 314's and the Class 315's and convert all of them into a 2 Carriages and Three Carriages of the Class 313's, Class 314's and that is including those Class 315's for most of us Class 314's and the Class 315's Diesel Train Fans Pretty Please Are you still going to do this interesting type of Project
for all of us out there Please?😊
Final scrap move is I believe on Tuesday!
Can't see me feeling the same way about the 150's, but just maybe I should get some more footage before the 756's come into service.
I feel the same. For a while on my (then) local line they brought back the 121 Bubblecars which were reminiscent of the 115s which used to run up and down Chiltern when I was small. I have mixed views though - service-wise Chiltern has come on in leaps and bounds. 68s motoring, 168s getting the job done. Nostalgia is a funny thing.
I know what you mean though - back in the day I used to attempt to blag stuff as well, and years later I realise exactly how I must have sounded. Fortunately I'm quietly spoken and was blessed with a fairly friendly face so nobody really made an issue of it. But I bet they thought "you cheeky em-effer" lol.
Fairwell 313s. I did a bit of travel in the southern region a number of years ago and encountered them. I'll feel the same about the 455s as well, I'm sure. But terrifically built units that did the job for nearly half a century.
Good bye 313s its an end of an era only 1970s emus left are the 508s and 507s 😢😢😢
I remember the 508s working out of Tonbridge back when I started on the platforms on 2007. I may have to take a trip north to see them before they go.
@@DadRail yup please do as they don't have long left before Merseyrail puts all the 777s on all routes
Wife and I spent a couple of weeks within walking distance of both Crystal Palace and Norwood Junction in Aug 2016... leading up to our daughter's wedding.. ( she brought her HK/UK husband back here to NZ 2.5 years ago)..Our usual way into town ( Victoria ) was on Southern trains, so I suppose they were 313s.. I was less aware of stock then than I am now...
They would have been 455s pretty similar. They were also retired a few months ago
@@DadRail I may have mentioned to you- certainly to Jago- that the heavily used commuter/business trains from Wellington to Masterton(100 km) and up the western side 140 km to Palmerston North use re and re furnished..and gauged.. ex Derby Mk2 stock...due to be done and repainted etc again.The WRL trains to Masterton are quite comfortable rarely passing 85km/hr on the fastest stretches....plenty of tables..good toilets...excellent 3 level lighting...power point for every passenger but no wifi. The 8.5 km tunnel through the Hill would cut that out.
PEPS FOR LIFE
I made the mistake with the HSTs and not filming them.
Funny how you say about being allowed out when you got a bit older and different times etc, my dad was born in 1952 and him and his pals ised to jump on the train from Birmingham to crewe etc, and cycling off from Birmingham to Stourport which is easily 20 miles I reckon you'd never let your kids do it now for sure.
also 04:05 *laughs in train crew*
just bring back hsts to the midland mainline as i hate the 8xx series of trains
Who else uninstalled it from TSW for realism 😂?
Excellent!
First!