I would like to see you being the one to do a holdout challenge. Maybe you could have the restriction that you are only allowed to mine for the first 5 minutes, and you can not attack the enemy's main base. This way you are guaranteed to lose at some point, but you have to survive as long as possible. it would be interesting to see you on the other side of this challenge.
I like this! The restriction could be you can only mine your main . Or maybe your main and natural. That way opponents should be able to get him once he is out of money. Also no moving your units across half the map.
I dont even play SC2 but I had a dream last night of a guy taking off to the skies with his Planetaries and shooting from the air like a sky tank. I was like THATS SO OP WOWW lmao.
Haha I also don't play but have found myself thinking about different strategies when not watching. Something about your style @uthermal, makes this very accessible for non-players.
Amazing video :). Also! guys guys guys. Somebody please try to do an active defense. For example... play Zerg and go 14 Hatch and mass lings with speed and go for map control but avoid fighting at all costs. The goal is not to win but to slow him down as much as possible. Just threaten to take out any reinforcements. Make him work for it. should easily be 10+ minutes if he has to defend and Eco up before he can win. Zerglings are way harder to kill than buildings and it will slow him down dramatically. no matter what league you are in any unit you kill will slow him down significantly. Key is that against 14 pool and ling flood only real way to win is to wall up, defend and eco up. This is good for you if you are trying a holdout challenge. Good luck!
The guy with the hidden planetary seems like they have the best strategy: Ninja base and build that up, while putting up a "rudimentary" wall in the main to buy time.
should probably be using the same map for each match; otherwise map sizes give different players different advantages/disadvantages, like more space to hide.
This is true.. but by that logic he should also always be using a same race and same build. It is what it is.. just some fun times it will not be balanced, somebody will just get lucky in some way either way. Cheers!
Also the enemy race. I mean how ez is it as Terran to win this challenge over same skilled Zerg or Toss players. Just planetary and fly away with barracks.
@@Lara-tk2wg Planetaries are good but I still think zergs going ling speed flood would survive the longest because you would need an actual economy and army to beat it after you defend for a bit. I really hope somebody tries it. As for barracks you are not allowed to fly away, its a rule of the challenge. No flying buildings to save them from things that do not shoot up.
Very nice Stoivanich, props!! Only thing I was sad about during your game was the hi-sec range upgrade dying, and also maybe not pulling some workers for the bunker, cuz that bunker did WORK. So sick well done. Spotted, very nice hold on the ramp and didn't 'die' straight up to the dropped lings, which would be hard for any of us plebs 🙂clap clap clap
Hear me out: REVERSE HOLDOUT CHALLENGE! Objective: For uThermal to survive as long as he can against 2 or more opponents. Rules: - Only 1 expansion at the natural. - Only harassment is allowed. - Can't move out to kill the opponent. - Can't fly buildings.
How about a head start challenge... They get to mine to an amount of minerals (but not allowed to build anything) before you start mining and they have to beat you to get in the score board. Whoever beats you with the smallest head start wins
yea finals will be random. Which I like because not all races are equally strong at taking enemies down fast. So it will come to a combination of luck depending on his race and map and skill to win this.
You should do a challenge where people wager how much of a lead time they need to beat you and the lowest time while still beating you wins. So like I ask for a 60 second head start and you’re not allowed to do anything until that time is up. So it’s the gamble of people choosing the lowest amount of time but still asking for enough time so they can actually beat you. Like obviously they could win if they ask for 5 min, but that won’t be a winning time.
It looks like the back ravagers push the other ones forwards when they walk into range for their bile. I don't play SC2 so I don't know for sure, but looked that way at least.
Well that's not true though. As someone else explained it aswell, they are "On Hold" and as soon you order them to bile, the "On Hold" command is gone, that's why they walk into aa range since they see something hostile. Only way to solve this is to shift command them to hold their position again after using their bile.
Back in the day i used to fill my base with cannons or w.e unit i was using, and i always just spammed overlords hiding the group getting ready to airdrop in your base, matches used to be around 30 mins just trolling then airdrop 200 marines
Cmon, Mark, where u getting this guys? im gonna beat this record on a touch pad and im not even playing online. No scouting, no cheese, not even trying to attack,its a some kind of a wood league?
Spoiler, I guess... The toss beating the record AGAIN was such a nice surprise! Thought I had seen essentially everything after the double planetary game b/c of the thumbnail. Thermy, it may have hurt your ego, but it increased the entertainment value big time! :-D
for a finale or another hold out. each competitor should play 3 games against you. You are each race 1x and add all times together for their score. (some people defend better against zerg others against terran)
Hi, I would like to propose a challenge. You would have to create a protoss build around rushing plasma shield upgrade and making it strong using air unit and archont with battery shield cheese. Maybe photon rush, maybe standar macro game but with strategy around rushing plasma shield upgrade.
That brings the old C&C games to mind - where this was possible and quite irritating - but man I miss aspects of that. Most matches were played to the last unit, not given up as soon as defeat seemed probable.
Consider starting afk for the first 30 seconds or whatever you deem fair to give your opponent a head start for the next community challenge. Always enjoy your content!
@@Iseenoobpeoplesthe issue with burrow is then you can’t be making queens and is expensive. 15 hatch into two base roach with a full wall while massing queens is best prob.
i think it would be much more fun if YOU WERE THE ONE DOING THE HOLDOUT, AGAINST INCREASING DIFFICULTY OPPONENTS AND NUMBERS OF OPPONENTS! THIS SHIT IS SO LAME WTF
uThermal singlehandedly saving sc2. Your vids make my day. Every day.
I think you should keep doing the holdout challenges, its fun watching the meta evolve.
I would like to see you being the one to do a holdout challenge. Maybe you could have the restriction that you are only allowed to mine for the first 5 minutes, and you can not attack the enemy's main base. This way you are guaranteed to lose at some point, but you have to survive as long as possible. it would be interesting to see you on the other side of this challenge.
I like this! The restriction could be you can only mine your main . Or maybe your main and natural. That way opponents should be able to get him once he is out of money. Also no moving your units across half the map.
There are two ways to improve a Terran command center:
"Information is what wins wars!"
and
"Strap cannons to it!"
You could do a challenge where you have to lose the least amount of units to win a game. Challenge: How many units can you take off uThermal?
Efficiency challenge. Sounds pretty cool.
Lot of Thors being built :P
Battlecruisers@@e7venjedi
Proxy roach for the meme, lost the dream
It was a fine attempt sir.
6/10 for the attempt.
26:10 the reason those Ravagers keep moving forward to attack the Planetary is because the Bile command breaks the Hold Position command.
Yep. Bile and immediately hold position again
I dont even play SC2 but I had a dream last night of a guy taking off to the skies with his Planetaries and shooting from the air like a sky tank. I was like THATS SO OP WOWW lmao.
Sounds scary xd
Haha I also don't play but have found myself thinking about different strategies when not watching. Something about your style @uthermal, makes this very accessible for non-players.
You can send all your overlords across the map for this challenge - so you have extra vision on where the workers run off to
uThermal: *utterly obliterates you*
uThermal: "I really like this guy's build, I wanna try this! You've inspired me."
Amazing video :).
Also!
guys guys guys. Somebody please try to do an active defense. For example... play Zerg and go 14 Hatch and mass lings with speed and go for map control but avoid fighting at all costs. The goal is not to win but to slow him down as much as possible. Just threaten to take out any reinforcements. Make him work for it. should easily be 10+ minutes if he has to defend and Eco up before he can win. Zerglings are way harder to kill than buildings and it will slow him down dramatically. no matter what league you are in any unit you kill will slow him down significantly.
Key is that against 14 pool and ling flood only real way to win is to wall up, defend and eco up. This is good for you if you are trying a holdout challenge.
Good luck!
Spotted legit played well, good building placement and had cannons and units. Actually walled off too
The guy with the hidden planetary seems like they have the best strategy: Ninja base and build that up, while putting up a "rudimentary" wall in the main to buy time.
should probably be using the same map for each match; otherwise map sizes give different players different advantages/disadvantages, like more space to hide.
This is true.. but by that logic he should also always be using a same race and same build. It is what it is.. just some fun times it will not be balanced, somebody will just get lucky in some way either way. Cheers!
@@TheNeomare Agreed, it's more of a fun match that happens to have a payout.
Also the enemy race. I mean how ez is it as Terran to win this challenge over same skilled Zerg or Toss players. Just planetary and fly away with barracks.
@@Lara-tk2wg Planetaries are good but I still think zergs going ling speed flood would survive the longest because you would need an actual economy and army to beat it after you defend for a bit. I really hope somebody tries it.
As for barracks you are not allowed to fly away, its a rule of the challenge. No flying buildings to save them from things that do not shoot up.
The thumbnai made me think you were going for a new double planetary rush challenge.
Great playing! Very fun to watch.
I think you should give Spotted more credit - even with your mistakes, he held and designed his defence VERY well and deserved that top place.
Very nice Stoivanich, props!! Only thing I was sad about during your game was the hi-sec range upgrade dying, and also maybe not pulling some workers for the bunker, cuz that bunker did WORK. So sick well done.
Spotted, very nice hold on the ramp and didn't 'die' straight up to the dropped lings, which would be hard for any of us plebs 🙂clap clap clap
uThermal: there's not really any winning for me.
- kills them all
Between you and the lads over on LAGTV, I'm eating good SC2 content, thank you, these challenges are great.
Hear me out: REVERSE HOLDOUT CHALLENGE!
Objective:
For uThermal to survive as long as he can against 2 or more opponents.
Rules:
- Only 1 expansion at the natural.
- Only harassment is allowed.
- Can't move out to kill the opponent.
- Can't fly buildings.
I love how we coached the two guys in discord chat and they did over 8 min ;P
How about a head start challenge... They get to mine to an amount of minerals (but not allowed to build anything) before you start mining and they have to beat you to get in the score board. Whoever beats you with the smallest head start wins
I would love to see a fourth episode where you play Random :D
Towards the end he actually stated that he's gonna play random for the finals!
yea finals will be random. Which I like because not all races are equally strong at taking enemies down fast. So it will come to a combination of luck depending on his race and map and skill to win this.
Great job beating the time Stoivanich! Wonderful videos Marc! Love this challenge!
I started playing again because of videos like these.
new challenge suggestion, marc hold out challenge, were MARC tries to hold out for as long as possible.
He'll end up killing the opposition instead. I mean, he 1v4'ed a whole league
Now I have to prepare for grand finals, where is my book of holdouts for newbies? (DudePerf)
You should do a challenge where people wager how much of a lead time they need to beat you and the lowest time while still beating you wins. So like I ask for a 60 second head start and you’re not allowed to do anything until that time is up. So it’s the gamble of people choosing the lowest amount of time but still asking for enough time so they can actually beat you. Like obviously they could win if they ask for 5 min, but that won’t be a winning time.
I actually really like this; this would be fun to watch.
It looks like the back ravagers push the other ones forwards when they walk into range for their bile. I don't play SC2 so I don't know for sure, but looked that way at least.
Well that's not true though. As someone else explained it aswell, they are "On Hold" and as soon you order them to bile, the "On Hold" command is gone, that's why they walk into aa range since they see something hostile. Only way to solve this is to shift command them to hold their position again after using their bile.
You should do a reverse challenge of this. grab teams of 2 or 3 players and you play a holdout challenge against them. top teams compete in the finale
Back in the day i used to fill my base with cannons or w.e unit i was using, and i always just spammed overlords hiding the group getting ready to airdrop in your base, matches used to be around 30 mins just trolling then airdrop 200 marines
Would love to see a protoss use recalls to move probes around the map. 😊
the balls of that zerg to go for a cheese himself instead of turtling up
Cmon, Mark, where u getting this guys? im gonna beat this record on a touch pad and im not even playing online. No scouting, no cheese, not even trying to attack,its a some kind of a wood league?
To practice your WarPrism micro...do a Series of (cannon rush + Immortal+warPrism micro)
You should do one more round, random! 😂😂
Spoiler, I guess...
The toss beating the record AGAIN was such a nice surprise! Thought I had seen essentially everything after the double planetary game b/c of the thumbnail. Thermy, it may have hurt your ego, but it increased the entertainment value big time! :-D
STOP! .... uThermie time... boom bom bom bom... bom bom... bom bom.... you know the music.
Love this content! Love it!
This was fun,love your channel marcje😉
16:18 Really dude?!?! you didn't wall off?!?! come on now
for a finale or another hold out. each competitor should play 3 games against you. You are each race 1x and add all times together for their score. (some people defend better against zerg others against terran)
Jesus! 4 Ravagers @ the 3 minute mark is nutty!
next community challenge. Reverse holdout. Marc vs 5-7 players. Only rule they can't all in cheese.
I'd love to see a 1vX series, where the X team has the rule where they have to cheese you, and see if you can holdout.
the range upgrade for the planetary only takes like 36 seconds. Big misplays.
What do you think about trying "Fight on creep to grandmaster"?
Hi, I would like to propose a challenge.
You would have to create a protoss build around rushing plasma shield upgrade and making it strong using air unit and archont with battery shield cheese. Maybe photon rush, maybe standar macro game but with strategy around rushing plasma shield upgrade.
For that first map if you get a solid defense, air drop a probe or scv to other side of minerals
Hey Thermy, will you be casting their games? Thanks for the awesome content!
Watching from 26000ft on a delta flight 😊
literally the first time ive ever felt sorry for a protoss
So, I'm watching this, enjoying this, being entertained by this. It's good content.
Another great vid!
Gotta love the enthusiasm
Challenge Suggestion: you Play vs x amount of Players who can only make one or 2 Units.
I watch don't play, but could they hide a stealthed unit in some corner and force a long game while uthermal puts detection all over the map?
only buildings have to be killed to end the game, not units
That brings the old C&C games to mind - where this was possible and quite irritating - but man I miss aspects of that. Most matches were played to the last unit, not given up as soon as defeat seemed probable.
Oh baby! Whooo!
Great vids! Thanks marc
I panicked immediately lol
You first
The grand finale is gonna be uthermeme defending a silver player!
Consider for that next community challenge and anti-holdout? You cannot ever order a unit outside of your main and natural and they have to kill you?
This guy will be streaming his PF to Diamond series soon.
Community challenge suggestion: custom game where uThermal is handicapped in some way outside the normal gameplay, e.g. slower units, etc.
No keyboard?
uthermal becoming the new mr beast
The planetary needs vision
God of CZcams (algorithm), bless this channel to further thriving (gg) ! 😊
Hold out for how long? Whats the measure?
Is it still possible to participate?
Hell yea way to go thermy
Hate to say this, but I was seriously rooting for the challengers here.
Let's go!
im kinda waiting for klem undercouver destroying uthermal in this challenge xD
A player who has marines has to work together with the player who has medivacs. I like it.
man id love to play you in this hahaah
Pease do a spine drop to GM
Why is the sound/voice odd?
watched a few, they never had a chance...
Spines outrange PFs? I had the same reaction!
Let's go
Consider starting afk for the first 30 seconds or whatever you deem fair to give your opponent a head start for the next community challenge. Always enjoy your content!
dumb
I had the same idea, but have people wager how much afk time they needed to win. Lowest wager while still beating him wins.
Let's goooo
I would love to try this! agaist you
Every diamond player: "Yeah, I think I'm good enough to take out Top10 GM player" in these holdout challanges and every single one fails miserably.
Easy, play Zerg and borrow drones all over the map.
Why not make three competitions, divided by race?
Sad i was not this diamond zerg, with my build i would have easily won i think :(
The guys choosing zerg are very brave.
borrow drones all over the map and win
@@Iseenoobpeoplesthe issue with burrow is then you can’t be making queens and is expensive.
15 hatch into two base roach with a full wall while massing queens is best prob.
Helloooo!
Just make it 1vX
i think it would be much more fun if YOU WERE THE ONE DOING THE HOLDOUT, AGAINST INCREASING DIFFICULTY OPPONENTS AND NUMBERS OF OPPONENTS! THIS SHIT IS SO LAME WTF
I hate this challenge XD
hey uthermal, this series is not as much fun as the others. mostly pretty weak players trying to escape and hide drones.
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Boring. Your opponents are just like kids
So... Just put another video
How much have you won ??
With the sound of it ? You Must be very rich with all the prize money you keep winning ??