Mamiya RZ67 vs RB67 - Which one should YOU buy?
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Worth noting that the RZ works without a battery if you use RB lenses. It's kinda both a mechanical and an electronic camera in one.
I don't know why people don't talk about this more often! I shoot with an electronically busted RZ and use a K/L lens which id very similar to the Z line in coatings and build quality, plus the kit cost me a 1/3 or the price
Yes 100% but if I’m not mistaken they have slightly different focus distances so infinity on the RZ67 with an RB67 lens is not actually infinity
@@rafkelezebestThat's true. It hasn't been a big issue for me in practice.
Wow, have literally never heard this. Thanks for that info.
One culprit of using K/L lenses on the RZ67 is with long exposures. Two remote cables are needed - one has to be inserted into the lens body to open the lens leaf shutter after the shutter release button is pressed to lift the mirror up (M.UP insert), the other cable in the "B" insert closes the lens' leaf shutter after a given time. Tricky part is when the cable controlling the lens leaf shutter is removed - you have to remind yourself to triple-check (!) that the tiny screw-in M.UP thread on the lens body is fully immersed with the red ring NOT being visible around it. If this element remains protruded (meaning the red ring is visible!), the whole leaf shutter mechanism will be messed up in future exposures - the lens shutter will remain closed and you get unexposed frames!
I had the honour to own an Rb67 Pro SD for a period of time earlier in the year. It was my first ever real-deal medium format and I had done so much research on its pros and cons of it. Let me tell you, people, this camera is UNPARALLELED. Using this camera and looking at the images it creates is nothing short of enchanting. If there is even a small desire that you would want to buy this camera do it, you won't regret it. I had even taken it with me around my city and let me tell you the back/neck pain was worth it, not only for the muscles but for the pictures too! I will say that I (very sadly) had to pass the tank on for a 645 Pro TL, but I know that in the future I will be owning another RB, it's just a camera that can't be matched, dare I say even by the RZ.
The cinematography in this video is amazing as always. Love the colors
Literally just got my RB PRO S in the mail this week! Everything you touched base on is exactly why I went with the RB. Love the vidz!
i have had my rb67 for 2 years now and man I fell in love with it the day i saw it and i will never let this camera leave my collection!! its amazing!
Same here, 3 years ago, think it was time when film was becoming more trendy and this chunky best appeared. Just made me appreciate photography more :).
Just picked up a RB67 in tokyo the other day and a few rolls of gold 200 and i’m so excited to look at my photos when i get back🖤
Very helpful video, I think the price and mechanical operation of the rb is a huge selling point, the rz definitely looks nicer though.
To anyone reading, please consider the range of air temperature that you will be shooting in before investing in both of these cameras. I have personally had trouble with the film backs locking up in not terribly cold circumstances (5-2 degrees centigrade), it's common knowledge that film cameras are at disadvantage in the cold but I've found the Rb and Rz are especially bad in these conditions if you live in a cold climate plan on this camera as a summer rig.
-NK
I've also heard that the RZ's electronics have some issues in the cold as well.
Ive been working as an advertising photographer since 1988. I have 2 RB67's that I bought back then. I have never had a problem with them operating in very cold weather (below zero c). I still have them and they both still work as well as when I first bought them. They were already 10 years old when I bought them. I had multiple backs including a 645 back for them and never had a problem.
great! i live in finland...
last winter i shot my rb in very cold temperatures (-20°C at least) and had no issues
RB 67 -10° C works fully.
Just finished my RB67 kit an I’m beyond excited to make some work with it!
Wow, this took me back! I had a Mamiya RZ67 Pro II back in the late 90s (when I was probably the same age as you), and I absolutely loved it. The richness of colour and tone you could get out of Fujichrome Asita, Velvia and Provia was just outstanding. I still haven't come across anything in the digital world that can match it (at least, not at a price the standard consumer can afford). Glad to see you enjoying these amazing cameras!
Thank you for your insight! I've been using Mamiyas since 1980! Love 'em!
Got the notification, and clicked right away! Looking forward to seeing how great this video is going to be.
Going to finally make the change I've longed for. Excellent review. Thanks
In the moment you talk about that these cameras were made for studio use, you with your work and style show how nice it is to brake the classic rules and show the people how nice the world looks through a medium size film camera. Great
Thanks Willem for the video. A great comparison between the RB/RZ. I had thought about getting a RB or RZ. However, for field use, I find that the Mamiya C330 and Bronica SQ-A works great for me. I have a 4x5 with 6x9 rollback which works if I need a larger neg.
For field use, it's hard to contemplate a less useful and more unappealing camera than the RB/RZ. It's a studio camera. That's what it was design to do, and it does it fairly well. Shooting it handheld like our pal here, make about as much sense as doing the same with an 11x14 Deardoff view camera.
Waiting for the video for a loooonng time so excited its here!
you've always made such helpful videos. thank you!
if the rotating back of the rb is a bit sticky, u can easily disassemble the rotating mechanism.
give it a good clean and a little amount of grease. it makes the feeling of this cam much more pleasing
Mine isn't too bad but I kinda like the heft lol
My RB back was also hard to rotate, so just recently I cleaned and lubricated the rails inside but without dismantling it. Took me 5 min and it’s a night and day difference
Seeing you one handle these in the video cracked me up. They are heavy! And then walking around without a hand grip or a strap made me nervous to watch! LOL. I'm an old photographer and shot the RB67 for many, many years. Studio portraits and formals at weddings. They did a great job. Incredible quality. You had to check to make sure the bayonet back holder screws weren't loose or you'd get a light leak, especially when rotating the back. You also would take the back off and fire a strobe thru the lens to make sure the sync was working correctly. You get used to the clunk, whirrrr chunk sound and when the whirrr didn't sound right you checked your lens sync! You also had to make sure you didn't have the film winder lever set to not engage or you'd shoot multiple exposures on 1 frame until you realized it when you hadn't had to change the film in what felt like too long. (Not good at a wedding!). I have a permanently bent pink finger thanks to a tripod head not being locked down and the RB crushing my finger as it flipped down. Good memories but I prefer today's technology, weight, and autofocus! Thanks for the video Willem. It's nice to see these are still appreciated.
I really enjoy your videos especially the photo walks. They got me hyped up to shoot more myself. Would it be possible to do a video on the Fuji GW670/690 or a comparison with the Mamiya 7? Would be very interesting. Thanks for the great content!!
Good video, Love my RZ67.. contemplating picking up one or two RB lenses for it to save some coin.
Nice. I got the RZ67 pro II and love it!
Thanks Willem! I went with the RB67 because it makes up for me not using my kettle bells. =P
Really though I love it, though I've found that there is a bit of voodoo that goes on where scenes look magical in the pop up finder but the photo ends up being the morning after, "what was I thinking?" I was all set to go back to street photography like I did years ago, even bought a new Ricoh GRiii, then I chanced across your videos and here I am lugging around a medium format cinder block.
I do enjoy your walk around and road trip videos and I like the idea that photography can be (relatively) simple and enjoyable...not counting the one challenge you can't buy your way around, composition.
My man! I remember you said a while back you were going to do a video review on how much it cost to repair your RZ... I am still waiting on that 🙏🏽
Good comparison!
Easy: I already have an RB67 and a few lenses. I wouldn't exchange it for an RZ
Loved the video bro!
Definitely helped me determine my choice
I've been using 35mm cameras and thinking about trying 120. Now I know which one i'll get. Thank you!!
4:24 there are some cases in which refined is great. Hasselblad, and Leica are both infamous for this. I personally don’t feel that way with Mamiya but maybe that’s because I have a lot of experience with the RB 67. I personally like the look and feel of the RB over the RZ by far.
Interesting, informative and really well done!
Thanks for this. Been debating with one to get. Very helpful 👍
I bought my RB in 2017 and was thinking about selling it this year, this video is making me doubt myself again lol, I really want a 6x6 body, a lot better for traveling. But man, in the studio nothing comes close to the these beasts.
Very informative & helpful, I have made my decision based on your recommendations, CHEERS!
The KL lenses fit on the rb and in my opinion are optically just as sound as the RZ lenses for a fraction of the price just something to note. That 3.5 aperture on the KL lenses make a big difference with the brightness of the ground glass also
Always will be a 6x6 guy. Smaller MF cameras, more are mechanical. I love my Rolleiflex 2.8 & Hasselblad 500cm
Both are still valuable members of my kit. A+
Ironic one of the most influential people for the rising rz prices opts for the RB because the rz is now too expensive 😂😂
My RZ67 is prob 25 years old and still works fine. The battery "worry" is really not at all an issue. Just have an extra battery in your camera bag. I'd rather use the RZ and only have to deal with one lever vs two levers. And I used my RZ for years when I traveled extensively for my jobs. I did buy a prism and a grip and carried it everywhere. But I also did my travel jobs with a Sinar P2 4x5 so I became very used to bigger gear kits. Now I only shoot film for myself and for my jobs only digital.
Congratulations for the channel... a big greeting from Italy 🇮🇹 👏👏👏👏👏 🇮🇹
Whoah! I got a rz67 in the mail the day you posted this
The 6x7 is a great format for quality if you can't afford the 4x5's and larger. Briefly, I owned a Rapid Omega 6x7 Rangefinder. Didn't know enough to keep it at the time, but traded it for a Gossen Luna Pro Flash Meter. I wish I had kept it and done more with it.
I thought about upgrading my RB to an RZ just for the f/2.8 lens but feel like a lot of people with RZs eventually have trouble with the electric components. The f/3.8 aperture isn’t the lowest but I can’t complain. The shutter sound in itself is worth the price.
You can stop down to f3.5 if you pick up some KL lenses.
Really well done comparison!
I enjoyed your comparison. However, for some reason I have yet to hear any You Tube review of the RZ 67 mention that it has a mechanical 1/400th shutter speed for use if the battery dies during a shoot. The mechanical backup shutter is mentioned in the Mamiya RZ 67 manual. Regarding electronics reliability: I recently unpacked my RZ 67 after 2 decades of storage and it is still fully functional, as is my Minolta X-700. My mechanical Ricoh KR Super II - fully functional prior to storage- was not so durable as the shutter no longer functions.
Wow the interior you showed at 1:06 is not so different to the original Kodak Box Brownie, and other very early cameras. Just goes to show that technology can remain virtually the same if the principle is sound. I had a Mamiya once, good camera. I should put down my current Nikon and Sony and go back to film again. Your enthusiasm for the film medium is obvious and inspiring.
Thanks for the comparison video.
For years, I have been shooting with two RB67 bodies, six backs, and six lenses.
Since I prefer battery-free mechanical cameras, I have never considered the RZ cameras.
After watching your video, I still see no reason to consider them.
hey i was wondering if you could do a video over long exposers with the RB, i don’t really understand the calculations for the reciprocity
It would be great if you take the same photos in both cameras. with similar lenses and take portrait shots so we can see the real difference of the lenses..we will wait for that video....good luck.
I got the RB there year. I can shoot 6x8 film size and K/L lens have a great quality. So I prefer Rb more that Rz
If the electronics die in an RZ, you have an expensive paper weight. The RZ backs and lenses don't work on an RB. Like Willem, I too went with an RB.
Excellent video. Thank tou very much.
my fellow Japanese friend has 2 RZ 67 and it freaks me out since Im not a guy that likes electronic shutter would prefer mechanical cameras since they last reallllllly long.....except for the Mamiya 645 that uses electronic shutter and I love it. cheers...I would rather pickup the RB67 instead of RZ67 I wonder if my photography schoool still has it in Shibuya....
thank the heavens I bought my rb67 last night before the willem rb67 price inflation 👌
Would love to see a comparison of a PLAIN RB67 VS RB67 PRO SD
Not willem complaining about the price of the RZ, which he drove up 💀💀💀
Hey Willem, great video as always, I need to make a decision could you help ? So… the RZ I’m out .. financially.
So… my dilemma is the RB or the 645 ? And which 645 ? I love both but really struggling to decide .. I hope this isn’t to boring a question for you.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Keep shooting and keep up the great work.
Tom.
A couple black box artifacts showed up on your video around 3:19, just wanted you to know
Very helpful.
Thank you
something else to consider... there is a regular RB and then there is the RB PRO-SD. there are some differences there too.
thanks for the review. What about using digital backs. Can be both used with a digital back?
Remember those RB67s are quite a few years old (introduced in the 1970s) and will need their light seals replaced. Also the rotating back will require cleaning, perhaps that is why the rotating back seems stiff. Some rubbing alcohol in the rotating part and then working it for a bit will loosen it up. A spot of sewing machine oil will help. I must stress that one should NOT over lubricate any of the mechanics. I have had my RB67 since the late 1970s and still works flawlessly. Being mechanically simple one can easily do all the maintenance and repair. Enjoy the camera, it is practically indestructible.
I know I’m a biiit late, lol, but the RB67 back should turn pretty easily, aside from the end stops where you will feel a bit of resistance. Take it to basicly any reputable camera shop and ask if they can lube it. My local shop was able to lube it in 5 minutes, and didn’t even charge for it. Turns very smoothly now, much better than when I got it. Worth doing even if you only use that feature once in a blue moon IMO.
I am choosing between the Hasselblad 500 C/M and the RB67. I do architectural and landscape photography, and occasional portraiture. One concern about the RB67 is serviceability. Does anyone know of a reputable place to get RB67's serviced when they need it? I'd hate to invest in a Mamiya only to find it difficult to get serviced. Any recommendations? Hasselblad, there are tons of places that can service them. I just have not heard of many that service Mamiyas.
If you want something not as Bulky or Large and slightly less expensive, i would recommend a Mamiya 645 1000s. Its a great camera
The only problem with the 1000s is age. They are very hard to find parts for nowadays if you have problem....otherwise a good, solid camera.
I just kept being distracted by the cat 😂 so cute
Going with the RB. Just because I don’t have to worry about dying electronics.
Hi i haven’t received your photobook yet can you help me ?
L:ast video I watched you had 2 RZ bodies that needed repair, what did you do?
Willem have you ever tried hasselblad 500?
nice, thorough breakdown, thanks man
but I gotta ask, is it just me or the video is badly rendered or sth. Got a lot of crazy artefacts popping up throughout the entire video
Footage got a little corrupted but I figured it was still worth uploading
@@WillemVerb sure it was, I simply hadn't found anyone else mentioning it so got a little scared that sth is wrong with my laptop xd
@@michabutkiewicz702 after my gpu died and just replaced I definitely got a heart attack lmao
I had the RB67 Pro S. Bought it in 1979 (yeah, I'm an old guy) . Sold it. I was stupid. I wish I would get one back. I had the 127mm. Arguably the 127 is preferable to the 90. Keep your RB. If you should want to sell, please remember me. ;)
Would love to see more roll notes videos.
Where to buy these Mamiya cameras?
You forgot a very important component differential between the two cameras. And thats aperture. RZ gets F/2.8 lenses RB no bueno.
Could you talk about the Flash Sync?
the only major advantage I feel the RZ has is with the lenses and being able to stop down to f2.8. The lowest any RB lens can go is f3.8 which doesn't seem like a crazy difference, but once your shoot medium format once at f2.8 they feel worlds apart 🙏🏼
F/3.5 is the lowest
i dont know why but th RB constantly jammed when i used it, completely put me off medium format until i tried the zenza bronica. Anyone else have that problem with the RB?
You need to buy a serviced cameras. All RB67 you buy second hand today need a proper service to be back in spec. Once that’s done you’ll have an incredible machine
The answer to your title questions is simple.
Don't buy anything that requires a battery to operate. I recommend only buying fully mechanical cameras.
Hey willem, ¿miss shooting in jersey or ny? i´ve been following the channel ever since you dropped out of school. I´m starting to feel like you wanna go back to the old channel days, i really want you to shoot portraits again. i like u more than joe greer lol. saludos amigo
I was not interested in the film at all until you said the RB is cheaper. Next time start with that haha.
Never saw a RZ without plastic bottom broken.
Hey, thank you for this, I have one question and its about multiple exposure. I noticed the double winding mechanism, mirror and film, does that mean that I can wind the mirror without winding the film and do as many as multiple-exposures I want? Thank you in advance.
yes both a pro and con that double exposures are so easy to do
@@fromanotherdayfilm Thank you !!! :)
I want the RZ. Why? Because that's what Bliss was shot on.
Rb prices just went up by 400%
any Mamiya 645 will do to start 120 film✌🏼
two videos in a week :O
Right it’s not even a Holliday and yet I’m receiving gifts!
you cant do videography with these ones?
The RB was cheaper lol it’s about to jump in price
For some crazy reason vintage film cameras are being "discovered" again so the prices are going up as fast as gas price.
@@extremelydave for some reason? this video is literally the reason lol
Yes please drive up the price of my rb.
i OWNED the rb67 and SOLD IT. pentax 6x7 gang
Did Vuhlandes send you here?🙃
I just looked up the Pentax.. very nice!!!🤔
I had a RZ67. Emphasis on HAD. I just did not have good vibes carrying around a 7 pound (lens included) hunk of camera around. So what did I do? Got myself an awesome 645 super. Loved it so much I got a 645 pro too! SO much easier to lug around and the images aren't that much more notable when looking at them side by side. Save your self! Go 645!!!!! By the way Willem, your cameras look like they need a bath, BAD.
Which one is better for studio portrait ? Pro or Super
@@iz5135 They are the same quality....same lenses and the body just controls the aperture and f-stop. The Pro is newer so if you have an issue, it's a little easier to find parts or someone who can fix it for you. Photos from either camera ROCK.
irmão em cristo por favor pára de subir o preço da rb
What are you going to spend your trust fund on next?
I have the RB67 and I love it. Metal construction and no electronics is a win win for me. Yes, it's big and heavy, but if I need something smaller and lighter, the M645 is my camera of choice. Again, metal construction and in this case, minimal electronics, to power the shutter.
RZ67 Pro II D x 37mm 👑
Whichever I can afford hehe
I miss Willem
Nice.
RB all the way 😭🔥🐐
lets be real this vid like a year or
2 late