6 STEP DIAGNOSTIC PROCESS - HOW I FIX CARS
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- This is how I learned and how I teach new techs to properly diagnose vehicles in today's industry.
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In Australia a Mechanic is a higher regarded person than someone who goes by the label of a Technician. Typically only dealerships label their workforce as Technicians and use this as a loophole for paying a lower wage, and with this they will typically almost always have a less skilled mix of people. We have guys that don't know how to do super basic electrical tests, some can't even use a multimeter. I've seen guys ask (repeatedly) if a car is petrol or diesel because they can't tell the difference. I'm a trade mechanic and recently started working for a major dealership to upskill and train myself and find a lot of guys really don't have much of an idea how to diagnose without a scan tool, which is a skill most Mechanics pride themself with. Thanks for the videos, keep them coming.
Wow, how did they even end up in a shop in the first place?
@@callumyocius2958 it's all about who do you know and not what do you know or if you are willing to be a happy punchbag with low pay .
Agreed, there's also TA's (trade assistant which is basically an apprentice that doesn't go to tafe/CIT)
...there all imports with fake certifications 🤣
(I've personally seen 1 that was a picture on his laptop! so called qualified mechanic that knew less than a 1st year 🤣 good ol'sanjeh and had another admit you can buy a qualification in india)
Give me a tip on trade test exams
It's the exact same in the US and this guy is talking nonsense. A Diagnostician is something of itself, not part of being a technician. Mechanics are expected to also be Diagnosticians. Technicians are parts changers. He works at a dealer, which is the lowest grade auto repair you can find next to a sketchy guy on craigslist. There are far more horror stories about dealers ripping people off and misdiagnosing things than any other form of shop.
As I’m new to the field I have to say thank you!! Your videos help new guys like me in many ways. And please do a voltage video!!
Congratulations! Excellent description of an effective process for solving automotive problems and faults. Most of my family and friends have had bad experiences with auto shops. Changing parts that did not solve the problem because they were not the root cause. I sincerely believe that mechanical technicians should take your 6 steps and your recommendations as their top priority. I personally will follow the order of your 6 steps and only at the end I will add one more step: I will document each diagnosis in detail to form a database, which I will be able to consult in the future. Thank you
I have been working on cars professionally since 1976 when I was discharged from the U.S, Navy as a Diesel Mechanic. I passed the Master ASE test in December of 1977. I have seen the evolution of ignition systems from points and condensors to what we have today. So I think I might have the right to an opinion. In the late 1970s ANDY GRANATELLI and Tune Up Masters coined the term Automobile Technicain. The reason was with the advent of Sun Electric inventing diagnostic scopes that could do realtive cranking compresion and KV test with the other 4 gas test and print a report that could be given to a customerwith an estimate of what was required to restore a vehicle back to proper operation. Thus we have the the dictionary definition of technicain. It was automated and the same testing was done on every vehicle. I will let you look it up. Now a mechanic is defined as "A worker skilled in making, using, or repairing machines, vehicles, and tools." the Free Dictionary. I don't mind being called a technician since the marketing has been to redefine the title of my profession but really I am a mechanic. Best regards, TIm Roland ASE Master L1.
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Great lesson! This is something that I use all the time and brought with me from working in the computer field. This right here will put you in the top percentage of your chosen field, because the great percentage of techs don't utilize it.
Please do a voltage drop vid please
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Voltage Drop it's simple, you multimeter positive lead of multimeter on positive pole of your battery and negative lead of multimeter on the negative Pole of the battery . Crank the engine
The difference between the voltage before cranking and voltage on cranking
Good vid and info there are a lot of part swappers out there, not nearly as many techs out there that will actually take the time or have the skills to get to the root cause of a problem. Nice to see you closing in on a well-deserved 30,000 subs.
Thanks! I appreciate the comments and support
Just remember new techs...a good education is expensive. I learned by "helping" Master Techs by doing their work for them between my oil change appointments.
I’m in school to be a tech and working, doing both full time. My car had a DTC It was a P0328 code. I did the bare minimum of replacing the knock sensor, and that didn’t fix it. With school and work I didn’t have more time to mess with it, so I took it to a shop.
They got back to me the next day with a diagnosis. When I dropped it off I asked them if they were going to check the electrical and mechanical sides of things and they said yes. Their official diagnosis was: needs new knock sensor. I asked AGAIN: “are y’all certain? Did y’all do a resistance test on the sensor and check the wiring harness?” The guy said yes… I told them to go for it (mainly for the warranty) he calls back 30mins later saying that it was an electrical issue and they went ahead and fixed it. I told them to save the old sensor for me, they did.
I know as a customer it is my responsibility to give as much info as possible to the service writer. But also as a customer I expect the tech go through all the steps to rule out issues and properly diagnose something.
Is ur car okay naw.... where they able to fix it?
@@HarrisonDunga-mn9lm yeah it was a wiring issue
I think customers should talk directly to the customer and get rid of the service writer
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Great vid my man!
Your nice, a lot technicians at the dealer won't help others. When I worked at Ford, there was a tech who helped me. Of course before I asked him, he always told me "What does the book say". (Wiring diag., service manuals, etc)
This is certainly a good vid, so thankyou for it, I think from this video I need to study more on car electrical components to be able to handle auto diagnostics
Best video bro...thanks for your information
A mechanic is someone who understands and has the ability to diagnose and repair a mechanical device. I.E. older mechanical controlled engines and transmissions(that’s what I’m better at than diagnosing the electronic controlled systems) there are able to diagnose and fix/repair the mechanical device without a fancy scanner, but instead rely on analog devices and tools! Thule the technitian can diagnose and repair a vehicle that is electronically controlled or operated using sophisticated tools to read and calibrate components.
And I refer to myself as mechanic even though I’m capable of doing both because I work on both but prefer older mechanical systems. Yes some of the newer stuff is easier to diag but there can be false in diag from electrical issues that require more digging into where as the systems I like to work on most of the other guys in the shops can’t figure out how to diag them(few where I’ve worked can figure out how to fix stuff if they can’t hook up a scan tool to them)
Good explanation on the process. I use the same process in the heavy world. Keep up the good work.
I could get a car going in the desert with my hands and a rag while this fellas looking for an electrical outlet.
I am inspired by your teaching
great video!
Great Video and very well said and these are the same exact procedures I use and you are for certainly right when touching on the topic of electrical and most times low voltage most definitely come up a lot especially in dummy codes were that you may have 3 to 4 different codes that are all associated to one single problem like a low voltage on a throttle position sensor or evap codes coming back or even sometimes low voltage on O2 Sensors weather no matter what bank when I see issues like that I use a piece wire and a paper clip with a multi meters to test the voltage and current
Nice 👌 one pops!
tanx bro very helpful
Great content
Thank you for this. Great video. Would you recommend a book for this to learn the basics.
Heymani appreciate your explanation of the difference between a mechanic and a tech but I will tell you this. I will never work for another dealership and especially not after the last one that I worked for would not even give me a 90 or 6 month evaluation let alone a pay raise. Sorry but true. I will go back to the independent shop before I do that and I am currently in the process of opening a shop of my own for a 2nd time. Let alone nothing against you personally but simply my own opinion and experience. I like your videos and I will continue to watch them . Keep up the good work. I really like it alot. But regardless I'm done with dealership's period. Thanks man
I totally get where you’re coming from man
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Diagnosing your CZcams "Handle/Name...Rustbelt Mechanic*...according to your own words...you don't know very much as a "Mechanic"...Way to go!!!!
The problem is I actually know alot but I just cant get a descent paying position here. Am looking into furthering my education with this as well as opening my own shop because for 13 years I ran my own business and made alot better money working for myself. Regardless I'm not up to date on all of the new technologies no I'm not but I have tried to get up to date with the dealership that I worked for before and their rewards program sucked so bad that after I left 3 other technicians left for the same reason. They expect you to have all of these expensive tools yet they dont pay you enough to afford to buy them and especially not to be able to survive on after you have bought them. So no I will not go back to work for a dealership. You may enjoy and love working for one but based on my own experience here in Chilton county Alabama they reward is nothing. The bad thing is they do this to everyone tehy hire and this is supposed to be the largest dodge dealership in the U.S.. NO THANKS I WILL DO IT ON MY OWN NEXT TIME BEFORE I GO BACK TO WORK FOR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT DONT RESPECT ME OR DON'T APPRECIATE WHAT I BRING TO THE TABLE. SORRY BUT TRUE.
the difference between a technician And a mechanic knows everything about old-school and new-school technicians don't know nothing unless it's in a book ore on a computer I am a true mechanic I've been in the field for 55 years I can't believe you said mechanics don't know the true thing about mechanics
Where can i get this technical service bulletin? Thank you
You just described a $300 one hour diagnosis...lol
Thank u 😎
Alright! A fellow MOPAR bro!
OUR LORD IN HEAVEN.!!.. PLEASE DELIVER VOLTAGE DROP VIDEO..!!.!!.!
Yes please do voltage drop video
What’s the best way for an up incoming mechanic to get into dealership
Helloe friend, what diagnostic tool would you advise me to buy for toyota dutros 24 volts, which is cheap
Very well explained man. Great video. One thing I'd like to touch on is the part about service advisors. The unfortunate part about them is that not all of them know the right questions to ask a customer. I am f the opinion that a middle man is a bad thing in this industry. having the ability to directly speak to the customer is very important to me. I want to interrogate the vehicle owner myself to know exactly what, when, and how the so I can then determine why there is an issue. This is especially important with intermittent concerns and noises. Again, just my opinion.
Subbed. Great job on the diagnostic tree. I may add most techs forget the push pull test & inspect for connectors. I've seen many harnesses replaced because a pin was misaligned from the factory or a seal was left out.
Alot of people hung up on that mechanic vs. Technician debate...
I'm new in the line....am still taking my time to understand how it works..
Diagnostics is a process that takes time to become proficient at it.
Without using a problem solving routine or process you are likely going to miss the real reason why it's happening.
Good video.
Thanks buddy🤘🏻
Wow you are really an expert on this where are you located
I seen many ft end r&r mechanics take out master teachs whoop master tecks ona skill level.
Where can I find the 101 version of auto diagnostics?
Also need to change your name to rust belt technician
If a 2001 caddilac comes in with 8 codes, I should be paid 8 diagnostic codes! But my shop will only pay for 1!
Yea voltage drop would be awesome.
Good video. I really like the tech videos!!
Nice video man! Gotta trust the process.
I'm technician & mechanic 10 years experience. You are working good 👍 keep it up
As someone who knows a little but not the most about cars, this was a helpful video. Thank you!
GREAT INFORMATION ! THANKS FOR SHARING.
A Mechanic is a nurse for cars.
A Technician is a Doctor for cars.
Hello
Please do a voltage drop video!!
Thermoking Reefers has a very good online video class explaining all these electrical tests.
cant go wrong with that
The way you broke your video down into chapters....GOD BLESS YOU!!! I wish others would do the same!!! GREAT JOB, and VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO!!!!!!!!! I just SUBSCRIBED!!!
What brand and model of scan tool is that?
It’s a Topdon ArtiPad, link is in the description
My issue is what is a true diagnostic at a dealer . I had one mechanic scan my car and say it was just a sensor and when it wasn’t I told him If I had to pay him full since he gave me a bad diagnostic, he says he never did a diagnostic . So I realized the scan isn’t a true diagnostic , he said he’d have to pull apart the engine and get a wiring schematic and see the oil pump for the p06da code on the Pentastar 3.6 engine .
So I took it to the dealer instead , they told me they don’t look at just the code but isolate the issue . Yet I get a call in an hour about all these things that need to get fixed, one being the oil pump.
When I checked online for the p06da code I saw it can be the solenoid at the oil pump or ground wiring issue , and PCM.
So if a diagnostic is more than a simple scan and actually getting in and testing the part, how is it possible to get the the pump and truly diagnose in an hour .
Seems to me they just scanned it and charged me 155 for it and essentially did no real work .
They apparently checked my whole car yet told me to diagnose odd rocker arm issues it would be another diagnostic issue. Also told me my wipers were fine on their checklist and one wiper doesn’t even move. So what am I really playing for.
I'm really sorry Boss for all stress..
Great content. Thanks!
Nice
The ones I like are the ones who talked to you a month ago about a problem on the phone... Then they don't show up or call to tell you they aren't coming... Then show up out of the blue and expect you to drop everything to work on their vehicle and expect you to remember what was wrong with it... Have a great day...
I was deeply offended by this video 😂. Im a mechanic 90% of cars and all there working i can get fixed with my hands and head. A complete master of the “combustion engine”, electronics i have to work at but can also diagnose these problems through process of elimination. In my mind a technician is someone who cannot do this and relies on one computer to fix another computer. After the year 2000 cars got computer chips and now we need “technicians” or “fitters” who find a faulty part and replace it(THEY DO NOT FIX THE ENGINE).
Am Very Intersted
How come you don’t do tool truck tours?
While I was driving my Jeep rubicon I ran into the speed bump and got abs light come up and goes away after few minutes..
I've seen plenty of voltage drop test videos, even have my handy lightbulb I use to test stuff. But everyone does it differently. Do a video I'd love to see your process.
Great diagnostic video on scan tools
Please do a Voltage Drop Video Please
This video was so helpful that I don’t understand why it doesn’t have over 1 million views
🤷♂️ maybe someday!
Insights, big thanks.
This is so enlightening 👍
Good job mate.thanks
Done
Voltage drop video please sir
To be honest, a mechanic can figure out most problems and figure a way around them. A technician is a glorified parts changer. A diagnostician is a vehicle magician when it comes to electrical anything. Myself, I’m in between mechanic and technician. I struggle with with electrical shit quite a bit
Here is a puzzler, please help if you can. My Car battery just died completely zero recognition of any power. I was going about my errands with the car when I tried to start it in a store parking lot and it just fizzled to nothing in one second. After about an hour I was going to give up and have the car towed when my mother said try it, it will work so I did and it did ! It started up again like a powerful new battery. When I got home, I turned it off after a while I thought why not so I turned it on several times. It just goes on like a powerful new battery. Does anyone know what happened? Will it happen again? Can someone please explain and help me to understand what is going on? Will it happen again? Mercury Sable LS Premium year 2002 35,000 miles, one owner,me. Battery is 2 1/2 yrs. Old. No crud on terminals and tight, no play on terminals.
I don't know much about ur car....it will not happen again...ur car is save... don't panic..
Is the car’s ecu/ecm malfunctioning something normal to expect in a brand new car-say around more than a year old?
Not very often at all, but more odd things have happened.
ok thanks for confirming, a rep at the car manufacturer says it was due to me not using it enough
@@toxicrainbow86 That’s dumb lol. How often do you use the vehicle?
Diagnooosetics!!!
Please Rustbelt Mechanic
Do voltage drop testing
Please Rustbelt Mechanic
Thank you very much
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From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
How do u like that top don versus the verus, autel and other top end AM Scan tools?
It’s very comparable to the higher end launch and autel. It’s very comprehensive in its abilities. I use it all the time and it stays very well updated with tests and special functions. Only thing I wish is that it would have an interface between the scan tool app and the motor diag app.
Just put up Chryslers step process lol
Another load pro user yes
I am really sorry but the lesson needs some examples, at least pphootos, I found myself looking at the walls during this lesson many times.ngl I haven't learnt anything
You say come and take it while flying a back the blue flag? How does that compute?
What are the best diy diagnostic scanners within budget limit ?
I need to know how to check voltage drop
Watch my most recent electrical diagnosis for beginners series.
Like to watch a voltage drop scenario
Please and thank you for the videos and instructional videos you should be working in a vocational school or college
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Actually Technicians are found at corporations I prefer to be a Mechanic I diagnose and repair MECHANICAL Machines
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Brilliant video thank you very much for sharing what you know with us. Take care and have a great day Rustbelt Mechanic
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
Mechanic vs. Technician. Why do so many get this wrong?
You're a tradesman. You are a Mechanic by trade because you fix machines. has no bearing on skill level.
As a mechanic you happen to be a GM (or whatever) technician meaning you specialize in repairing GM products. That is your Job, not your trade. You could fix Caterpillars or airplane engines, you're still a mechanic.
Someone who fixes washing machines is an appliance repairman, doesn't matter if he's employed by Kenmore or Maytag.
Lube Tech, General Maintenance Tech, Technician, Master Technician. Those indicate technician skill level in automotive.
how much a the computer
Directions unclear
Diagnosing engine trouble
Dick caught in rear differential gears
Pls send help
CLOSE: mechanics swap parts (& follow instructions), technicians diagnose problems others cannot (even when novel to them).
(requires logic and IQ). You need to fix that acronym, because the words are ambiguous. Terms like:
Communicate, identify, confirm, [rca] (root-cause analysis),
Doing a temp fix if possible is best so you know before you doing an hours work only to find it's not the cause.
But, the ones that are crucial for those techs talking to customers ... getting AUTHORIZATION that's clear if the communication is by phone (text may be preferred if they're squirrely). In diagnosing, a word that may be good is "falsifiable" ... (check out Karl Popper) ... another point to consider is the _"NECESSARY & SUFFICIENT"_ criteria against a solution.
Is it a _sufficient_ cause of the issue?
Is it a _necessary_ cause of the issue?
If it's lacking either, you have at least an additional problem, or, you just have a _false-start_ (mistaken cause).
Sometimes my techs would test something that could've been the issue and falsely rule out a potential category of problem just because they tested an affiliate issue. If the test isn't definitive, people will falsely conflate them as being so. This falls into the category of epistemology. What do you know, and when can you be sure you do..?
Its just an era transition issue. Younger mechanics today will run into the same issues in 30 years when some new technology comes along that they don't know.
Wait so a mechanic does small parts in a car but a technician does all parts from everything?
Is Uti good for getting started. I have tried the Community College and it didn't work out. I know how to do some basic stuff but don't full understand how the car works. I need to learn the Diagnostics and Electrical sides the most. I am signed up for Uti in Avondale Az. They also have a Ford program that will help me get closer to Ford Certified. I want to learn how to fix cars correctly. I want to be successful not just a basic Mechanic that doesn't really make enough doesn't really know alot just gets by.
In my opinion UTI is overpriced. Unless you're on some kind of grant or scholarship, heres my advice: get your foot in the door at a reputable shop, and study up online. There's an excellent online training course called AutoMate that will help prepare you for the ASEs. In the U.S. you can access it through Motor Age Training Connect. Supplement this with the experience and diagnostics tips from these youtubers as well as tips on which tools to buy and you'll be ahead of the curve.
If you already know you want to be a dealer technician and know what brand its best to find out if they offer a program or apprenticeship. Luckily for your ford has ASSET www.newfordtech.com/Programs If you can make the program work then you will be further ahead of both the UTI grad or the one starting off from the ford quick lube.
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Actually its easier to diagnose today because computers do all the work for you. The only issue older mechanics have is when its an electronics in newer cars but in time computers will make that a lot easier as well. Truth is you'll never stop learning in the car diagnostic's/mechanic field. Technology is always changing. When I was young OBD had just came out. On-board diagnostics didn't get used by GM until 1980 & it was just 12 years earlier that Volkswagen started using it. What people should be questioning is why is the Government allowed to mandate these systems in cars? That's a ton of freedoms people have given up. Its just like the idea of "Government Property". The US Government is supposed to be owned by the Citizens so how could they ever obtain there own property? Anyway its a never ending cycle with technology.
Amen
I used to work at BMW. Our scanners literally did the diagnosis for you. If a connector was bad, it would tell you. If there was a recall(every BMW has one), it would tell you.
Good day bro ..
I don't understand...
A technician will never be a mechanic
At work we always call technicians part changers, and a real mechanic is somebody who can diagnose. It's funny that people have different definitions for them. Most of the techs that I know either aren't certified or only have a few of their certs. All of the mechanics I know have all of their certifications.
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