Did The Acolyte Just Destroy Star Wars? A Full Breakdown
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I always like to say this. It's 1983 and star wars is dead. It's 1999 ans star wara is dead. It's 2006 and star wars is dead. It's 2014 and star wars is dead. It's 2017 and it's dead. It's 2019 and it's dead. It's mando season 3 and it's dead. It's obi wan kenobi and it's dead. Now, it's 2024 and it's the acolyte and it's dead. Star wars has died, what, like eight times already.
4 more lives left
It takes a lot for a man to admit he was wrong. Mad respect bro 🫡
In my opinion you can’t kill something that’s already dead so no it didn’t.
well bye then
"I fckin hate followers". WORD
Ima say what I liked, (NGL should have wrote it in my OG comment and its pretty much the same thing you mentioned but positivity never hurts)
1, I also love the fight choreography
2, I loved master Sol
3, while I wish they were more unique I do appreciate seeing other force groups
4-ish, (not a positive point but something that needs to be addressed) The acolyte is no worse that the BoBF and Kenobi the only thing the previous shows had was recognizable character and a bit better sets but that's just an opinion.
Two small things (I did a poor job phrasing it) but it wasn't a shift in perspectives that I found irritating but more so it felt like a patchwork of ideas and threads that were used in the past Star Wars projects. (most of modern media also has this problem)
The out I mentioned would have been giving them a connection to Plagueis or Tenebrous as the Sith have been shown woking with other groups (Palpy and Talzin for example) like they worked together or the still it from the witches. I feel like it is such a specific ability that narratively there should be a connection of some sort, but in the end of the day that is a personal opinion.
This video did help partially change my opinions on a few things
1, You did change my opinion partially about the witches finding the life creation (spell?) but as mentioned I feel like there should be a connection to the Sith in some way.
2, the age problem, while I still find it a bit questionable the unique circumstances have made me a bit more lenient, and a good way to fix the inconsistency is say they were hesitant in the Phantom Menace due to what happened as several council members were alive at this point. The reason why I was skeptical is that it took Qui Gon's dyeing wish to convince the council to train Anakin (the person with the most force potential ever) so showing that it didn't take a bit more conniving for the other Jedi to accept is a bit off to me.
I think that there are two big reasons that people hate the show.
1, mob mentality, people love getting on a hate train and dunking on massive corporations especially Disney.
2, every since the show was announced up until release Disney seemed to try its hardest to paint it in a negative, in the beginning it was run by KK, they hired very political writers, there was a TON of internal problems during development, and the cast interviews were some of the worst to ever come out of Disney (considering the new Snow White movie that's saying something). All of these things combined with disappointment for the last couple live action Star Wars shows put the Acolyte in the WORST possible position before a single episode came out.
all in all it gets more hate than it deserves and isn't a show I particularly enjoy but I would rather form my own opinions than be a sheep and follow the group and even if the group are right I would rather figure it out on my own.
Appreciate you my guy!
I agree with some of what you said, & I am thankful you laid out some of your issues with it!
I ain't reading allat
@@alkebulanawah4242 I don’t remember asking if you were
Haven’t watched it, but I would like to refute one thing you said: it is illogical to hate on something before it comes out……unless it’s that god awful Velma show! Everyone was on the nose with that one
Personally it was Book of Boba Fett that killed Star wars for me. Lately I just enjoy hearing other people talk about the newer things for their own opinion on the matter.
Dr Goon. Major respect for you going against the grain on this one. I love to see it.
12:53 I only checked ep 1 but I just wanted to let you know that you’re killing this video. Good sh*t. 💪🏾
Can't wait to dive into this!
I'm of the opinion that if a corporation can ruin something for you, you probably didn't care about it as much as you thought.
Man the fact that dr.goons , geekdom101 and youngrippa 59 and heelvsbabyface are all talking about this has me somewhat interested in checking this out. But i domt want to pay for disney plus
It’s not worth pirating either
@@letsdothisshiat1162 so what didn't you like about it?
@@deontaandrade9536 the power of many scenes for starters
I liked the show, most lore complaints I've seen make no sense. What do you think 'balance to the Force' means? Do you think it has to do with moral good or a yin and yang type thing?
May The Thread Be With You.
Nothing beats game of thrones season 7 and 8
Imo the first 2 eps were pretty solid, but this newest ep is pretty bootycheeks. Like damn it makes the sequels actually bearable. Idk I'm just a hater lol I rlly do hope the next ep it better
what was wrong with it?
@DocGoon idk I wasn't mad going into it or anything, just confused cause the main witch mom contridics herself a couple times saying the force isn't something that you control, yet she says it bends to our will. Or how just how everyone died in a couple of seconds after the stone and metal place caught fire. Idk I'm just nit picking. It's not the worst show ever, I enjoyed the first 2 finally getting rid of the surviving lightsaber stabs. But other then that it's solid. It hasn't murdered star wars yet. When that happens is when anakin somehow is the vessel for snoke or smthing lmao. But GG on the vid man
@SpiffyYuh
She didnt contradict herself. She just said the force is beyond what anyone could truly know
They operate within the bounds of what they know and learn
This honestly is probably why they have elite sorcery
I don't think the little fire did it. We are being misled imo
@DocGoon yea it's prolly that sith guy or smthin.
26:00 You got me hyped to finish this drop. Folks on that anti woke stuff having a problem are just as sensitive as the people that they call snow flakes. All of these nutballs (left or right) need to find some middle ground for the greater good & entertainment. Or not. There are a few thousand other channels, apps & other types of entertainment that I can devote a bit of attention to. 🤷♂️
My thing about acolyte is that it’s an alright story with its own caveats that turns me off.
Making children through the force devalues Anakin importance in my opinion. The whole point of a miracle is that it’s an occurrence that doesn’t happen without divine intervention. Anakin being the chosen one to bring balance to the force has been devalued so much with the last couple of years. He’s supposed to be the Christ of this verse and you’re telling me that these witches can just make a whole new one?
Sure I like the fact that they’re attacking the ideals of the Jedi, but it’s literally just taking the concept from the KOTOR games (showing the Jedi as an arrogant and stagnant force in the galaxy, no pun intended). I find that lazy, but again this is more of a problem with the entirety of Star Wars currently because I want these characters and factions to grow. Ik this is supposed to be before phantom menace I’m just tired of going back, we need to move forward and just make good stories.
7/10 so far, I decided to watch but I’m probably not going to continue after episode 3. Not because of the show, but more because of the current state of Star Wars.
Yo…you got beef with Mario fans? What’s wrong with Mario? I’m a Mario fan and I happen to think I’m a very level headed person🧐
So anikin is no longer the chosen one?
What???
@@DocGoon i heard that episode 3 makes Anakin no longer the chosen one. Because the way he was born is not special
@@renamon5658 no🤣
Perhaps not all people conceived of the Force are conceived equally? Maybe Anakin was just the highest example of that. Also is it confirmed that they actually were conceived of the force? I didn't remember hearing anything specific only suggested
@@SpaceVENTING the twins were conceived through manipulation of the force
This would be like saying all future force clones like yodas clones make anakin not special
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2:56 Bars lol
Just started the video but read some of the comments and I saw a lot of people talking about this, why are people thinking Anakin is the chosen one cause he doesn't have a father? 😂 Like, if he had a father who died or left, how would that make the story different? He is the chosen one because of the decisions he made and how he influenced the galaxy, not because of his daddy (who is probably Plaguis lmao)
The Force was the Creator of Anakin, I agree that people saying Anakin not having a dad makes him the chosen one lol even Jesus had Joseph take care of him all his life and Jesus in turn loved Joseph even while knowing he wasn't his true father.
He is the Chosen One cause he was straight up created by The Force to fix the imbalance created by The Sith, specifically Plageuis and Palpatine, when they gained power from tipping the balance in their favor. Why Shmi was chosen is anyone's guess but it likely had to do with the Force being above time and foreseeing that there would be a Jedi present on Tatooine that wouldn't have a shadow cast over him (Qui-Gon).
@@maylabrown4584 I mean, maybe in legends, the Plaguis book for example is not canon and we don't even know how relevant how Anakin was conceived is to the chosen one's prophecy. In CW the Father stated that Anakin is going to be the one that replaces him in keeping the balance between the light and the dark and in Ahsoka we see him being more or less the admin of the force nexus, the force choosing him to be the balancer might not even be related to how he was conceived in canon since now there are 2 other people that were made with the force and way before Anakin was born and momentarily they don't seem even close to Anakin's force potential. Probably the chosen one in canon is the avatar of the force, you can still make the space jesus analogy since he joined his "father" after death. The force in legends and the force in canon are clearly different and the prophecy has different meaning as well for sure, Disney can add whatever they like as long as it doesn't contradict the existing canon material. We don't even know for sure that Plaguis created Anakin in canon. Also, maybe a kid who was born normally could've been chosen to be the force's avatar, even Yoda had a higher midiclorian count than all other Jedi. You can even argue Anakin's role got elevated in canon since we saw him in Ashoka, being more important than he ever was in legends
@@lucaiacob6206 Anakin is the most important being shown in the narrative, in both Legends and Canon, as The Chosen One as he was directly created by The Force. That made clear by George Lucas.
Yes Acolyte just destroyed Star Wars. Well, more particularly, it was the death blow for my personal interest in Disney Star Wars anyways.
Can you explain what is bad about it?
@@DocGoon Sure you bet. I really respect your opinion but on this topic, gotta disagree with your video. Here's a few reasons off the top of my head: 1) The force immaculate birth -- it was special when it happened to Anakin and now its just a usual thing, even though so many Force masters tried before and couldn't do it, like Palpatine. It doesn't align with the canon. 2) This use of the force by these witches again, doesn't jive with all prior canon. It seems like the writers aren't really familiar with Star Wars lore. 3) Mae going from 'I love you' to 'I'm gonna murder you and everyone' seemed weak to me, and unconvincing. It wasn't explained how her little fire lit the rock temple on fire and within a few minutes blew up everything and everyone died. If they are planning to reveal more of what happened in future episodes than that's pretty sloppy, instead of flashbacks, better writers would have based the story in the present. 4) Being lesbian is of course fine but I feel kind of beat of the head with the agenda, no white hetero male characters allowed which is not diverse, female only witches that say stuff on the nose like 'our kind isn't appreciated in the galaxy,' the director making her partner Rebecca Henderson a starring role which is nepotism, and these identities being chose under the banner of diversity but in actuality is just to try to make more money by appealing to a female audience while denigrating male fans of Star Wars, and so on. I don't care about identity politics I want a good story. 5) Inconsistent force use. Some scenes the Jedi can use the Force to prevent people falling or gather information, and when it is more convenient for the plot, they don't have that option (lazy writing). 6) Unclear motivations. As it is now, it makes no sense why adult Mae would be driven to kill these 4 Jedi, or why Torbin would break out of a 10 year mediation to off himself on her recommendation. The revenge motivation seems entirely unjustified, and if they plan to reveal a 'this is what really happened' scene later, again, that's too late in the series for focusing on back-story. 7) More inconsistent lore. The Jedi wouldn't take Anakin, one of the strongest Force users of all time, because he was too old and had some attachments. How could that not be the case for Osha, who saw her whole community die because of the Jedi showing up, and was older than Anakin.
I could go on. In general it feels Disney corp is way too focused on converting new audiences than it is pleasing the massive, legacy/existing fanbase. Writers and directors should be hired on the basis of their ability.
@@gameboardgames im unsure of if you watched my video, but from initial reading i addressed most of these, or agreed
@@DocGoon Ahhh busted, tbh! I wrote my initial comment before watching the video off the cuff, and I watched about the first 15m of your video before I got sidetracked by something left. When I wrote the first comment, it wasn't meant in response of your video's content, just in response to the title of it.
@@gameboardgames1) it’s not a usual thing, it’s just something that happened twice in SW canon. 2) there’s nothing wrong with how they use the force, in fact your complaint should be why they’re so similar to the dathomir witches, cuz in concept they’re almost the same exact group. 3) sure her development is a little weak, but you can say that about a lot of Star Wars, this shouldn’t be a reason to ruin SW for you. Also there plenty of examples of flashbacks being used well in stories, it’s literally the main writing tool people use to flesh out a characters backstory effectively. What you said they should’ve done makes less sense narratively. 4) you have no reason to think they’re pushing an agenda, this complaint is just stupid as fuck. 5) you can say this about any piece of Star Wars media, you can say this about any piece of media that has superpowers. 6) the main plot is exploring this idea, the show hasn’t even finished this shouldn’t be a complaint. 7) notice how they took Anakin regardless, or we can just ignore the end of phantom menace and the rest of the prequels. Also the Jedi have said that older candidates are a rare exception, meaning they can get taken. But maybe you wanna ignore knights of the old republic ig, do you man.
Yup
Yo i didnt know you had problems with Mario fans like that 😂😂
This video is dope as fuck
What is the acolyte series?
I looked on youtube video and it seems mediocre fanfic of great franchise-nya called star wars
This Acolyte discourse has been so heated that I decided to give it a watch. I think it's alright, at best. To say it's the worse piece of star wars content ever, I think is an over exaggeration. I really like the world building of the show. Expanding on the different sects of Witches in the universe and expanding on the old Republic, I fuck with this a lot. The problem is that everything else is just so lackluster and mediocre.
In addition, the witches being able to create life is bullshit in my opinion, I'm gonna wait for more episodes to come out for them to expand on this, but as I see it now, it's bullshit for this power to exist and nobody, especially future Sith/dark side users to not know about it.
I'm gonna rewatch episode 4 today because I literally fell asleep watching that shit yesterday 😂.
The witches were working on the technique for centuries
@@DocGoon Very true, but it still urks me. I've always been of the opinion that the only child of the force, should be the chosen one. Especially when Osha and Mae are really just average characters, nothing special or shit that we haven't seen in the past. I also want them to flesh out these witches more like you said in the video.
@@Rdc_Dom anakin was made by the force
The twins were made by witches
@@DocGoon but still by the power of the force, I'm saying.
Its not the worst thing ever im just not vibing with it ill check on it here and there for lore stuff but idk im just not excited about it 🤷🏾♂️???
Not mad at how you feel? We all have preferences
@@DocGoon I just feel a lot of those Jedi could have been interesting but they got rid of them quick as hell like damn they were gassed up in promotional pictures just to get washed in the first episode lol
@@NMbones98 we will see em a ton in flashbacks
@@DocGoon that can be a solution question is how much will we see of them?
No it really didn't it didn't even ruin lore it basically sdded to it and they dony really explain evething aswell
I think you need to get on a call with someone who disagrees with you. The back and forth with comment sections and comments from another video, lose so much nuance and it sounds like people are talking past each other and not actually addressing each other’s points
I can't seem to get anyone on man. Really have been trying sincerely
@@DocGoon I believe you, I disagree with you on this show, but appreciate the effort you’re putting into your content around it.
Hard agree with what you said about if TLJ didn’t kill Star Wars for you then this shouldn’t either
@leonmosley2099 TLJ was the ultimate sin lmao
& yeah. Ive consumed so much star wars that sometimes i forget how the fandom gets
Even tho a lot of people had a lot of bad arguments on why this ep was bad,this time it really was bad in my opinion
I gave up on starwars
Star Wars was dead the moment the force awakens released and it’s been going downhill ever since.
Disney sucks balls, so I can't say anything else about it.
You a dragonball fan right?
Same verse that names everything after food?
The irony paints itself clear
@@DocGoon I get what you're saying, but you got to at least admit legends was better for star wars.
Star Wars has been sucking ass since the force awakens, the only thing I’m looking forward to are the games, but the upcoming Star Wars games also look boring
Yeah no, Lesbian Babies being created by Force Manipulation is just decrepit for the Star Wars Medium, worsening it than it already has been for years by this point.
Book of Boba Fett was lackluster, Kenobi had awful writing and even The Mandalorian crapped itself in Season 3. Just a poor performance all around.
There's straight up nothing good about Modern Star Wars BUT The Games right now and even that only applies to Cal's Series but that's been sidetracked by the most recent game.
They can just not be consistent in quality, it's insane.
Can I please get you on the podcast asap????
Everyone keeps avoiding talking to me lmfao. I promise I will be nice