Growing stock (Matthiola incana): Interplanting for success!
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- This year, I'm determined to get a good harvest out of stock. I made some mistakes in year 1 and doing things differently. Stock loves cool weather and my climate typically jumps from winter to summer (spring is ephemeral) so tune in to see how I plan on maximizing my success with intercropping!
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Jesse,
You are very generous to share your experience and time with us. Every time I'm in the garden I think " Would I want to be carrying a camera with me and having to think of valuable things to say?" NOPE. So I thank you very much.
Aw thank you, I appreciate that. It does take alot longer with a camera! 🤪
I can't wait to see how your stock comes out. I think I waited too long to start my stock for 7a western CO 😅. There's always next year. Thanks for all the tips!
Hi Jessie! Something to consider for next year is to plant several weeks earlier. I’m in your zone, 7a, and I plant out stock at the end of February or the first week in March. They are a lot more cold tolerant than I first thought, so now I grow them a lot like sweet peas. Once they’ve sprouted and have a few sets of leaves, I grow the trays outside up next to the house where they get a bit of protection from the elements, but are exposed to the cool temps. My stock should be blooming in mid to late May. Just some info I thought might help. Thanks for all of your content! I love to experiment, too, and employ several of your ideas in my garden.
Yes!! You're in Somerville right?? I'd love to know- did you cover your stock when you put them out in March? I would totally attempt this next year. I had planned to start seed in February but didn't have enough. i think getting them out in March would be so ideal (just not for plugs since i dont think i could have enough time to properly harden them off).
@@bareflowerfarm 10:18 weeks 3 or 4. After 4 weeks they are about 5-6 inches tall and are transitioned outside with a potential plant time of the last week in February, if weather allows. I do cover them with a layer of Ag-19, mostly due to the windy weather we have (and the squirrels ❤ to dig up the young plants🐿❤🌱🤭. But I don’t uncover unless the temps get up into the 70s. It’s just too much fussing for me otherwise.
I'm zone 9 I'll start all my spring planting this October. It took me a while to realize everyone else's spring time stuff is my winter stuff.
@@Oldfarmlady Yes!! you are definitely in a very unique climate where you can overwinter so much. That realization will lead to better and healthier plans for you too!
@@brendarosenau5880 So great to know! I can't uncover and cover so this may be the way for me next year if I grow from seed!
At week 3-4, how many true leaf sets are you seeing?
Getting ready to plant out and never thought of intercropping! No you have me rethinking my layout. Looking forward to you just turning your whole back yard into your beds! lol
It's definitely not the "tidiest" way to plan but I think makes for a more enjoyable view when everything blooms AND maximizes the space :)
Thanks for sharing the experiment! I'm an novice in growing cut flowers for my personal enjoyment and love learning new things. I've heard of veggies and flowers interplanting, but not all flowers interplanting. A very interesting concept for sure.
For sure, interplanting has so many benefits, including symbiotic relationships working together. Now it's a matter of finding out what flowers like to be with each other!
I LOVE videos like this. I'm growing in a very small area and am experimenting with intercropping but can't find any information on it. I've been hardening off my stock and wanted to plant it in-between my lilies but didn't know how it would do but now you've convinced me to try it and I'm so excited! Thanks for sharing. PS I asked you two weeks ago what to do about freezing temps and my tulips were getting ready to bloom and you told me to cover and they would be ok and they all survived and are blooming their heads off! I probably wouldn't have covered them because I thought tulips could handle temps like that but you definitely helped me save my crop and I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to my comment and help me. Your channel is a wealth of information and I don't know how more people don't know about it!
I'm so glad this is helpful for you. This is all experimentation but I am optimistic bc my snaps are actually doing wonderfully despite being under the canopy of lilies. I think we have more to lose by not planting our stock in a place that will provide it shade versus full sun!
Also, great to hear that your tulips are fine. Such a relief, right? And I appreciate the kind words :)
Preach 🙌🏻
Hi that's good start and apriciate your efforts. we do mistakes but we learn, when we do keep on growing more
Jesse you are so right about gardening is not about having a template. Nature surprises us all the time! There are times where I thought I lost a plant but then see it sprouting out if nowhere one day. ❤from California.
For sure! I think it takes a couple of years for us all to realize that there's no manual and that's what makes it so fun. I always say- plants want to live, so don't write them off when they seem like they're a lost cause.
For my first year, the only option I had for some perennials was to intercrop. I planted daffodils. When it was time to plant rudbeckia, salvia, foxglove and some scabiosa and sea holly I tucked them in and they're on year 2 this year - there's no room for weeds!
Yes!! I love this! This is my goal, it would be cool to create a "cottage" garden like area even in rows!
Vintage is gorgeous. I’m growing some of the “stox” variety this year. They are supposed to be more heat resistant - we’ll see! Excited to see how your experiment plays out!
Ohh stox!! I would love to know how that does for you! I’m considering growing quarter for the fall but that may be a better option since they’d have to figure out how to handle the heat of later summer!
I love this! Even though I have unlimited space (I live on a farm), I love the idea of interplanting! Thanks for the tips. I am definitely going to try.
Loved this video. I am in Winter here in Melbourne, Australia and I should have started my seedlings back in Autumn but didn’t. I will try now anyway and hopefully put them out 4 weeks before our last frost (we have mild winters). Fingers crossed they will flower!
Yess! Good luck, I know you guys have very temperamental weather. When I visited, I experienced like 3 seasons in a day lol!! I hope they flower for you!
@@bareflowerfarm Haha, yes! Weather here is all over the place!☀️🌦️💨
Thanks for sharing, as always, great content. Am growing stock for the first time this year. Certainly, I will be following along.
Good luck, looking forward to hearing how yours do for you!
It's crazy watching all the flower farmers everywhere else focusing on spring. I'm in a subtropical climate. My spring stuff is on the way out. I'm just hoping it can hold out a few more weeks in time for my summer stuff to start blooming. ❤
It all depends on the climate! Much of the country is now basically in summer. I feel it a bit here too. We are in the 70s but still have some nights in the low 30s. It's going to get hot fast!
@bareflowerfarm How are you growing stock if you're close to summer Temps? I have to start my stock in October. Spring crops are winter crops for me. I messed this spring up in my zone. The only thing I got to bloom was ranunculus. Everything else I planted to late ( February) it grew but to hot for it to flower by March.
@@Oldfarmlady I'm in 7a, formerly 6b. At night, we are still in the 40's, with some nights in the high 30s. It's ultimately about the soil temp, not the ambient temp. Growers here are able to achieve stock and sweet pea into June using shade cloth. For you, you would definitely need to start in the fall as you would have very little chance of blooms.
Quartet stock was very heat tolerant for me, I keep it growing all season and it really comes back in fall. I used the side shoots for bud vases mainly, but I may try cutting harder this year and see what the side shoots look like for stem length. Also trying chanter stock this year.
That's so great to know! I really wanted to try quartet but the colors I wanted weren't availability. If I can get the right color in plugs for late summer, I'll test to see how they do in the fall!
Ooh! I think alyssum would be a perfect ‘cover crop’ to sow right now with your stock/sea Holly- just broadcast sow right over the top. Unlikely to compete with anything and you’ll attract soo many beneficials for the upcoming season. Could then try a summer legume mix late summer/early autumn as easy to manually terminate and would fix some nitrogen. I hope the not netting works out for you… it didn’t for me- crooked stems everywhere 🙃
The not netting is such a risk. I'll be netting my lisianthus and scoop scabiosa for sure. A part of me thinks the stock won't even grow tall enough for netting but we shall find out lol!
Regarding alyssum, I'm always reluctant to plant that bc of how invasive I hear it is. But i think i may do a legume mix to your point!
@@bareflowerfarm haha guess this will be a good experiment! I live in a maritime type climate ( a bit like California but not as hot) so generally have good luck with stem length if not planted too late. I’m also trying a variety next season call ‘anytime’ which is meant to handle the heat so will see how that goes.
I’m surprised to hear that alyssum is invasive! It does reseed but more what I’d call a ‘polite reseeder’ but I guess that depends on climate. I would compare it to how yarrow reseeds in our area.
I grew some Katz stock from seed once… I planted six plugs and got two incredible stems… it was incredibly fragrant… then I grew a few iron the next year…the Katz was much more fragrant and it’s up there with citrus blooms in terms of awesome. IMHO… love stock!
So great to know! I haven't tried katz yet but if this experiment goes well, I will likely buy some katz seed!
I overwintered stock with success this year.... I planted in November in Zone 8a. We definately had winter lows in the low 20's. With just a light Argibond, I have a full bed blooming now. on the other hand, I planted out early spring stock in mid February and more than half of that has died. So I can say that what you said about the plant's young life rings true to me. I do think it is a little more cold tolerant in the winter than it gets credit for.
That is so helpful to hear your experiences. Properly overwintered plants are definitely more robust to withstand temperature extremes, and I can see stock being alot more cold tolerant if overwintered. We are actually hitting 32F next week for a couple of nights and I am so glad that I actually put in my stock when I did. I'm not sure if they would survive if we hit that cool weather immediately upon transplant!
This was so helpful. I made the mistake of purchasing some lisianthis plugs from my amish greenhouse neighbor lady and i didnt realize how important it is to have them arrive when theyre able to be planted out. Theyre pretty rootbound. Im putting them in the ground anyway and it'll be an experiment. Another thing ive heen trying to learn is what low temps each crop tolerates and figuring out the best time to plant each one out. I've been binging lisa mason zigelers content.
Just make sure you cover the lisianthus! They can withstand the cold but need some protection from protection from the sun if they haven't been properly hardened off. You'll find that timing will be different for everyone and so hard to generalize. It'll be different based on growing conditions, if you have a structure, if you're willing to cover, etc. Good luck!!
Interplanting is my jam! Mostly because I don't ever have a good plan and kind of continuously tuck and move. Right now I have lillies and dahlias together and ranunculus/anemones underneath my roses.
ohhhh so interesting! How do the lilies and dahlias do? The timing is perfect bc i would think the lilies bloom just in time for the dahlias to start taking off.
It's the first time I've tried it. Last year I tried ranunculus under my dahlias and sweet peas on the fence behind them. They did help keep things cooler. In paper the Dahlia/lily thing works .. excited to see the patreon with the snaps
Stock does well in my area (equivalent zone 9-10) because it is a mediterranean plant. They are a member of the brassica family like a broccoli or a cauliflower - they don't like to flower in the heat and i'm not sure if they tolerate more than a frost (which is what we call it when temps just dip below freezing at night). I have definitely seen some varieties perrennialise in my climate, which has quite hot summers - but they won't flower in the heat. Maybe you would get away with planting in spring to get flowers in the autumn? I would 100% try a repeat flowering variety instead of a one-and-done to maximise your chance of success.
For sure, I had wanted to experiment with Quartet stock but the colors that I wanted weren't available. I have seen other growers in my area obtain blooms in June so I know it's possible. I've read that single flowering stock wants the first 3 weeks to establish in 40-55F weather. If it gets too warm during that 3 weeks, they will abort blooms which is what I think happened 2 years ago (we had a freak heat wave for a week). Our nights are still 40's and dipping into the 30s, so i'm crossing my fingers.
I'm also going to try to experiment with fall stock to your point. I know that certain cool loving seedlings can tolerate the warmth when they are young, so I'm carrying that hypothesis over to stock. Afterall, we can get kale and broccoli rabe in the fall so why not stock?
Thanks for taking the time to write this- I learn alot from comments like this!
Stock does well with winter sowing, since its cold tolerant. I have some already planted in the garden from my winter sowing, will see how well they are going to do.
Would you mind sharing your zone and what you mean by winter sowing? Like winter jug sowing? If so, I think they will do wonderfully as they are already "hardened" off with the outdoor temps :)
@@bareflowerfarm I am in zone 6B (just changed from 6A), and yes, I mean winter jug sowing. I think if you want to start a lot of seedlings using winter sowing method, you can use clear plastic totes (with lids) instead of jugs. Just make some holes in bottoms and lids of the totes. Also, strawflower seedlings did really well with winter jug sowing for me.
Hi Jessie, my name is Anna I am not a flower farmer but I became obsessed with growing the new varieties of bake creek stock. After much research per the other comments yes they need to go early. If you can get them out in Feb. better. Also I found they grow these in India in pots when you want them to bloom you add blood meal. But you need the pots for the concentration. My blooms kept going all summer but they did not do well in ground at all for me. They like to be moist and cool. I actually put a outdoor umbrella I would send pics not sure how will share e tips on me I am not even 2 hours from your location I am
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Another note your plants are way to small for middle of April I M not familiar with that variety but they don’t like to be squished they need big pots if you google the stock and watch the vids from India they have trick. As an experiment take some out of the ground pot them up in second week in may add a handful of blood meal
Hi! I totally agree that if you're starting from seed, you should be starting them earlier. The issue is that I cannot buy plugs in that early and expect them to harden off without getting very rootbound. I'm also looking to time these blooms closer to when I'll have an abundance of other blooms which is June. In May, I really won't have much so it doesn't make sense to have these blooming.
The plants are small because they're plugs. They'll put on growth. The main question is whether being shaded will prevent them from getting too stressed from blooming.
I havent gotten ANY blooms for the past 3 years?!? I know the first 2 they werent planted early enough, & last year they got a little root bound, so I'm trying one more year, this is the last year! Someone recommended I contact Johnny's to see if they can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.. If I don't get blooms this season, I'm going to do that. Never thought of that!
That happened to me. I got lazy. Didn’t pull the foliage, and in fall they finally bloomed.
It was a space hog.
This year, I had put out to early, and they froze, and wilted.
So, who knows!?!
I accidentally got ranunculus blooms in late summer and fall by planting them with shade last year. Never growing anything other than a sunflower, I bought some corms last spring from I think dollar tree. 😂 At the time I was a solely a photographer and I was just planting flowers to make my studio garden for my clients.
I didn't realize they were supposed to plant much earlier, so I think I soaked them and planted them in June. I put them under our cherry tree, which is slowly dying, so there's not a ton of shade there. It must have been enough because we had blooms in August thru the fall. Even more surprising was I accidentally overwintered them in Zone 6A. I had pulled up all the corms before the polar vortex we had...or so I thought. I put them in a crate and placed it in the garage. I just looked out last week and found one plany growing that I must have missed, and it's going better than even the crate grown ones. The leave mulch I placed to protect my spring bulbs worked. I'm hoping your stock plan works. I'm trying it with glads since I have an abundance of them.
There are actually quite a few farmers who get fall ranunculus and that's on the list this year to experiment with! Glad to hear that you got blooms afterall from that crop!
Horrible name for a flower stock , my seeds took well . They are in the ground now , cream and peachy ones .
Good luck! And yes, could have been named a different name 🤣
I havent gotten ANY blooms for the past 3 years?!? I know the first 2 they werent planted early enough, & last year they got a little root bound, so I'm trying one more year, this is the last year! Someone recommended I contact Johnny's to see if they can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong.. If I don't get blooms this season, I'm going to do that. Never thought of that!
I am convinced that the reason why most of us don't get viable blooms is because it gets too hot too quickly. Let's put it out there- stock is not the best crop for most of us to grow from a profitability standpoint but... sometimes it's the stubbornness of wanting to know you can grow something when you shouldn't be able to ;D
So I'm in 5B on the border of 6A, and after listening to LMZ I seeded my stock with my snaps and lizzies in early January. Got nice plants which I moved into 2-in soil blocks, and then hardened on the warm days and put in the garden around March 8th. Today April 12th I have big fat leaves. Dark green growing points. Plants are probably 6 in across with one to two seeds per plant .No buds yet. They've been under low row tunnels on the days that it was dipping into the mid-20s. I wonder if you can start even earlier than you think.
You absolutely can and your timing for starting stock from seed is perfect. I would have done the same if I had low tunnels for sure. In March, we had many nights get down in the low 20s which is just too cold uncovered. I think you will have a high chance of success!
Thanks for your optimism and encouragement. Also - leaves on the soil - excellent for nutrition and all the good benefits you mentioned - except - leaves on the soil in early spring. Keep the soil temp cooler. If you need warm dirt in early spring, scrape off your leaves. They provide a moderating effect, keeping the soil cool and moist longer.