With some of these works, what's scary is that there's someone who can play them. With some, what's scary is that the composer thought that there would be someone who could play them.
You must be able to play all these pieces if you singled out Alkan's. How else would you be able to underestimate all the other works? Just looking at the notes?
@@miriammolinero1446 I never gave a value judgement on the pieces, I only talked about the difficulty. Also, when you are a musician, there’s no need to play a piece to be able to judge it’s difficulty. Alkan’s concerto is probably the most difficult piece of the whole repertoire because of it’s infinite length, it’s atrocious technical challenges and the fact that the text is really hard to memorise. But what makes it even much harder than huge atonal pieces is the fact that it’s a romantic piece and it has to be interpreted as such despite the monstrous overall difficulty.
@@CamilleBraiki Bla, Bla, Bla. As a musician, you should also know that different techniques all have their own difficulties that you can only truly know from execution. For example, a lot of ragtime music seems simple, but when you try playing with the syncopation, you get thrown off by the different pulse. Playing atonal music is nothing like playing tonal music because ingrained scales & harmonic progressions go out the window. Also, how can you tell which difficulty is more difficult when you can play neither? Even then, how can you say your weaknesses are my weaknesses are the same? So how can you just presume Alkan is hardest when you have no idea how well you can play the other pieces? Seeing notes can only give you an idea, it's not until you take the plunge & play that you can truly know what you are talking about. Otherwise your like a man trying to know what it's like to have a baby. Knowing what pain feels like is not a substitute for the actual expirience.
@@miriammolinero1446 Well, I have an opinion and you have a different one. The only difference between you and me is that I respect other people’s opinion and you don’t. You are just disrespectful, aggressive and full of certitudes and I don’t wanna waste my time talking with you any longer.
@@CamilleBraiki Spoken like a petulant child. "Your opinion is bad because it contradicts my presumption. You are a meanie!!! Your tough, thug-like manner of speaking hurt my noble sensibilities! I refuse to speak to you any longer!"
Good list, but Szymanovski Sonata 3 and Schoenberg 3 Klavierstüke should be way further down the list bc those are much harder than anything by Liszt, Czerny and Beethoven you mentioned here
Maybe so, but part of the reason why Liszt or Beethoven can be more difficult than modern pieces is because when playing for an audience, modern music is rather simple because most likely the audience doesn’t understand it, so they will not have an opinion on the playing, while when playing Liszt or Beethoven, it is much easier for the audience to judge the performer, more likely in the negative light.
@@gnihcynil2993 that could've make sense if we were oriented towards specifically GENERAL audience, but that's some very particular and relative case tbh (bc a lot of audience on that go to recitals today are trained musicians + you can say the same about 'harder' late Romantic music). Anyways, if you stick to playing (including intepretation difficulties) early 20 century stuff according to only score and your own understanding, it's def much harder of a task than with standart rep (esp if the piece doesn't have that much (good) recordings like it is with Szymanovski and Feinberg piano music)
Yeah, I immediately regret putting them there right after i rewatched the video, but it’s to late I guess. I will probably upload another vid in the future. I don’t personally think it is much harder than hammerkalvier or Don Juan, but it’s definitely up there. I also made this video for the most general audience, so I didn’t want to put such an “unknown” piece so high up.
@@acactus2190 yup, that's what I assumed so it's understandable. Also, if you want a better perspective how difficulty of those pieces compare you can check Caleb Hu's channel (if you still haven't yet), who has (imo) very decently accurate list of piano pieces before 1920 by difficulty (for after-1920 part his video got Hintoned (copystriked for including Sorabji stuff), but NotMusicTheory made its deSorabji-lized version so you can also check it out if you're interested)
You don't know how much I appreciate you saying this. Thank you. Obsessing over perfecting, over-correcting one's technique... I must remind myself to feel
There is no wrong for every kind of art all the people have different senses and music is about expressing, those pieces are not wrong but an example for how different we can be from each other inside our heads
Except not really. John Cage was an avant-garde artist, and through the so-called “silence,” he would find outside activity to be classed as music. Under the 4 minutes & 33 seconds of silence, an audience would’ve been astonished at how a drop of rain or people shuffling in their seats would create a note. He especially loved that the idea of outside activity being classed as music would be boundless & endless. To him, it was art; to others, it was either ridiculous or scary.
nah there should have been der doppleganger by shubert/liszt and the mephisto waltz by liszt also the little red riding hood by rach, and maybe prelude in C minor
a lot of classical music listeners get really stuck up/elitist about music… like nobody cares you think x sonata should objectively be mr incredible uncanny level 7 instead of 6, dude
@@raphaelbeck229 that’s his prelude, these two are different pieces. His prelude in the style of Bach is meant to be impossible and for 3 (or 4) hands.
@@acactus2190 Ok, this is another prelude. I was just asking because it seems so difficult to find any reference to John Stump's work in google in general (aside from people baffling his Death Waltz with Owen Was Her). It's seems so utterly scarce. I can only find one reference to this piece you have mentioned in quora. Also, the sheets I found for his Death Waltz actually go very well with the sound of that video (the same one you used in your playlist), that's why I'm intrigued. It's as shown in this midi performance: czcams.com/video/n-Ai8BSCzpo/video.html Of course, that is unless the image of his score is also fake and its title is actually Prelude in the style of Bach.
Hello, I appreciate your list however I saw you used my John Stump's score video without permission or credits, could you please leave the site or else I would like to report the video :) thank you, please read
You make the term "horrifying" sound vague. What exactly do you mean by it? The difficulty or the emotions the piece envokes? How come Beethoven's Hammerklavier sonata is low on the list? It doesn't remotely sound horrifying. Unless you're referring to the difficulty, then you would be right. I just find the way you rank these pieces confusing. And as a side note, if you're gonna switch to the next Mr. Incredible phase, don't just abruptly cut out a section in a piece. You're making the video long anyway so why do that? I felt like pointing this out because I was really enjoying the finale of Liszt's Sonata in B minor until the video abruptly cut to the next phase without the section being finished yet. Also, please credit the recordings of the pieces. It would be frustrating to take multiple hours of my time just to search through a recording of a performance you sampled.
Hmm thanks for the feedback, but don’t take this video seriously, as it isn’t meant to be a definitive rank. I made this video for fun, so if you want to enjoy the pieces, maybe look up the recording. I will put the performers in the description later.
@@acactus2190 How shouldn’t we take this seriously, Cactus or whatever your name is? Your video is already at 3.5k and will increase in the future, how do you know your video won’t go viral? Well the list is much more legit I do have to say, but what I’m trying to make clear is, be serious. Don’t fool around
@@IEEMAZ_Convoluted_14.2.8.5 sorry, but how am I fooling around? I have no intention to make videos go viral, so no: I am not chasing clout. I make videos because I like to make videos, the videos just got lucky and got views.
@@acactus2190 doesn’t matter, because you’re not going to be able to control how it goes viral. For your information, these type of videos can go viral in just a few days
For the previous video, you have 2 options. Remove it, or change the title to “cliche classical music”. Changing the title proves your selfishness though since it’s got 20k views.
how am I selfish? I made these vids because I like them. It got views because it got views: I never expected them to, but they did. Bother to explain? And no I am not gonna change the title, because not everyone here is a classical musician dude. Changing the title will help no one.
@@acactus2190 Then educate them! Dude are you like, I don’t want to be impertinent but, are you supposed to tell me, you, who already got a video over 20k views, aren’t removing something you know is not correct/accurate, and not selfish for popularity? Tell me. Don’t you like fame? Don’t you want eminence? Don’t deny it. You do. You want views. Everyone does. And fine, if you don’t want to remove it, change the title. What’s the difficulty? A majority don’t even look at the comments so are you going to expect them to look for this video? People in the world are so stupid, they see information and believe it’s true, no matter if it’s true or lie. In addition, Not every viewer being a classical musician totally has nothing to do with the entire arguement. Fallacious and implausible reasoning. Balderdash. Garbage. That’s indubitable
Guys, I can’t include every single composer on this list lmao, I will try to add more in the future.
This comment doesn’t even make sense. Please elucidate
but where rachmaninoff
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You've put Mr. Incredible through so much, I was expecting him to collapse into a black hole by the end of it.
Fun fact: Ravel couldn’t play most of the pieces he composed
4:33 is such a fascinating complex piece
8:17 Welcome to the place where madness reigns supreme and sanity is a stranger.
Sanity is nonexistent. A made up joke like time to throw people into a pit of none-sense and confusion. To have sanity is to lie.
With some of these works, what's scary is that there's someone who can play them.
With some, what's scary is that the composer thought that there would be someone who could play them.
That’s…. That’s genuinely terrifying and I love it
_Ferneyhough has entered the chat_
Bro jumped from Mozart straight to the Chopin scherzo no 1 💀💀
It happens
@@ludwigvanbeethoven356 bro I’m trying to learn your stupid moonlight sonatas third movement and it’s making me angry. Why’d you make it so hard?
@@aidankoop2110 use Chopin metod
@@ludwigvanbeethoven356 Aight I’ll try.
Mozart isn’t that easy 😅
number 2 and a chopin sherzo already.. this is not gonna end well
Yup 😈
Scriabin, WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?! 😭😭😭🎹...
No.2 is definitely my favorite transcendental etude
It’s one of my favorites too!
What about 8?
10 is too good i will
forever love the 17(?) repeated notes
Mine is the 12th
What about the 1st?
when talking about 'classical' difficult pieces, you will never be surprised to see Chopin and Liszt
the 2nd to last one is just fucking Black Midi 💀
Nice list, I really enjoyed watching this video ! Alkan’s concerto is probably the hardest piece of the compilation
You must be able to play all these pieces if you singled out Alkan's. How else would you be able to underestimate all the other works? Just looking at the notes?
@@miriammolinero1446 I never gave a value judgement on the pieces, I only talked about the difficulty. Also, when you are a musician, there’s no need to play a piece to be able to judge it’s difficulty. Alkan’s concerto is probably the most difficult piece of the whole repertoire because of it’s infinite length, it’s atrocious technical challenges and the fact that the text is really hard to memorise. But what makes it even much harder than huge atonal pieces is the fact that it’s a romantic piece and it has to be interpreted as such despite the monstrous overall difficulty.
@@CamilleBraiki Bla, Bla, Bla. As a musician, you should also know that different techniques all have their own difficulties that you can only truly know from execution. For example, a lot of ragtime music seems simple, but when you try playing with the syncopation, you get thrown off by the different pulse. Playing atonal music is nothing like playing tonal music because ingrained scales & harmonic progressions go out the window. Also, how can you tell which difficulty is more difficult when you can play neither? Even then, how can you say your weaknesses are my weaknesses are the same? So how can you just presume Alkan is hardest when you have no idea how well you can play the other pieces? Seeing notes can only give you an idea, it's not until you take the plunge & play that you can truly know what you are talking about. Otherwise your like a man trying to know what it's like to have a baby. Knowing what pain feels like is not a substitute for the actual expirience.
@@miriammolinero1446 Well, I have an opinion and you have a different one. The only difference between you and me is that I respect other people’s opinion and you don’t. You are just disrespectful, aggressive and full of certitudes and I don’t wanna waste my time talking with you any longer.
@@CamilleBraiki Spoken like a petulant child. "Your opinion is bad because it contradicts my presumption. You are a meanie!!! Your tough, thug-like manner of speaking hurt my noble sensibilities! I refuse to speak to you any longer!"
Good choices for pieces
Glad you think so!
8:17
that is the craziest looking piano sheet i have ever fucking seen
Good list, but Szymanovski Sonata 3 and Schoenberg 3 Klavierstüke should be way further down the list bc those are much harder than anything by Liszt, Czerny and Beethoven you mentioned here
Maybe so, but part of the reason why Liszt or Beethoven can be more difficult than modern pieces is because when playing for an audience, modern music is rather simple because most likely the audience doesn’t understand it, so they will not have an opinion on the playing, while when playing Liszt or Beethoven, it is much easier for the audience to judge the performer, more likely in the negative light.
@@gnihcynil2993 that could've make sense if we were oriented towards specifically GENERAL audience, but that's some very particular and relative case tbh (bc a lot of audience on that go to recitals today are trained musicians + you can say the same about 'harder' late Romantic music). Anyways, if you stick to playing (including intepretation difficulties) early 20 century stuff according to only score and your own understanding, it's def much harder of a task than with standart rep (esp if the piece doesn't have that much (good) recordings like it is with Szymanovski and Feinberg piano music)
Yeah, I immediately regret putting them there right after i rewatched the video, but it’s to late I guess. I will probably upload another vid in the future. I don’t personally think it is much harder than hammerkalvier or Don Juan, but it’s definitely up there. I also made this video for the most general audience, so I didn’t want to put such an “unknown” piece so high up.
@@acactus2190 yup, that's what I assumed so it's understandable. Also, if you want a better perspective how difficulty of those pieces compare you can check Caleb Hu's channel (if you still haven't yet), who has (imo) very decently accurate list of piano pieces before 1920 by difficulty (for after-1920 part his video got Hintoned (copystriked for including Sorabji stuff), but NotMusicTheory made its deSorabji-lized version so you can also check it out if you're interested)
@@romanmakarevych4483 yes! I used Caleb’s vid as a resource for this video!
you have excellent taste. great list.
Great Liszt
Thanks!
I love the okada performance of the Mozart:) good choice!
He is one of my favorite pianists!
That went from mozart to The Dillinger escape plan real fast
Great! Next time i'd like to see even Nancarow and microtonal pieces like Ivan Wyschegradsky
Ornstein's Wild Men's Dance would be a funny addition here, but great video nonetheless.
I’m glad the Alkan was recognized.
yeeess
Amazing🥳🥳
I agree, endless rests are the scariest thing you can see
This list is much better I have to say
Difficult atonal music is there for people who want to show off their technique without people noticing that 50% of the notes played are wrong.
You never know the right notes 😂
Soooooo you are not a musician
@@acactus2190if you listen to a recording more than once you will, it actually quite shocked me haha I just made a video about it
You don't know how much I appreciate you saying this. Thank you. Obsessing over perfecting, over-correcting one's technique... I must remind myself to feel
There is no wrong for every kind of art all the people have different senses and music is about expressing, those pieces are not wrong but an example for how different we can be from each other inside our heads
8:27 NAH WTF IM SCARED
bruh I'm becoming uncanny. don't stop, please.
7:20 When I first saw the instructions above the stave at the start I thought they said "Slower fists".
Most of this hard to play music is beautiful or interesting but that last one was just difficult to play.
Nice.
I love mozart's 8th
The last one is just silence.
Except not really. John Cage was an avant-garde artist, and through the so-called “silence,” he would find outside activity to be classed as music. Under the 4 minutes & 33 seconds of silence, an audience would’ve been astonished at how a drop of rain or people shuffling in their seats would create a note. He especially loved that the idea of outside activity being classed as music would be boundless & endless. To him, it was art; to others, it was either ridiculous or scary.
What recording did you use for Reminiscences de Don Juan?
why is Don Juan so high? It sounds happy
Wanderer just before Szymanowski? Must be kidding
Dude, as the one psychopath who read John Stump Prelude comments....
The first piece is by Christian Petzold, not Bach.
horrify
8:17 WTF??? I thought that was just a meme! 😵😵
Oh no, it’s an actual piece!
@@acactus2190 but impossible. Sounds like an impossible remix written by Sheet Music Boss or another midi creator
@@BlueSteve nope, it was written by john stump as a joke and is meant to be impossible, he always wrote satirical music like that.
ye ik. I studied it last night!
I myself find the extremely hard bits of hungarian rhapsody no.2 kinda horrifying
No godowsky or cziffra? Or are they too easy to be included on this list?
Not really, I will try to add them in the future
Where would godowsky's passacaglia fit in?
Mind if you put Liszt:Hungarian rhapsody no.6 on the next video of phase 18
Yes I will try to put in my next vid, but probably not as high as phase 18 though!
Wtf the last two
last one is a bruh
Sonata No.2 was….. interesting…. I’m totally not feeling creeped out..
Who is playing in these performances pls?
I Love my remixed top ten liszt enemas
Scherzo 1 as first piece scary.
Me, automatically: This going to be very ugly and scary
nah there should have been der doppleganger by shubert/liszt and the mephisto waltz by liszt
also the little red riding hood by rach, and maybe prelude in C minor
The mephisto waltz is in my first vid, I might add the other ones in the future
04:39 beethoven "hammerklavier"🔥🔥
As someone who's played that part of the alkan concerto, can confirm that that section is a b**ch
Why are people taking this so seriously? people getting so offended lmao
a lot of classical music listeners get really stuck up/elitist about music… like nobody cares you think x sonata should objectively be mr incredible uncanny level 7 instead of 6, dude
@@rynabuns agreed lmao
You mean mozart sonata in a minor
liszt easier than wanderer?
Those notes are more terrifying than music that sounds.
4’33’’ with background zzzzz noise 💀
¿Y donde esta Stockhausen?
A nadie le gusta
muerto
Is the John Stump one actually the Death Waltz?
It’s a common misconception, which many people thought it is his waltz, but it’s actually his prelude no. 3-1/2 in minor keys in the style of PDQ Bach
Then, what is this song? czcams.com/video/cuT3NSeXXaQ/video.html
@@raphaelbeck229 that’s his prelude, these two are different pieces. His prelude in the style of Bach is meant to be impossible and for 3 (or 4) hands.
@@acactus2190 Ok, this is another prelude. I was just asking because it seems so difficult to find any reference to John Stump's work in google in general (aside from people baffling his Death Waltz with Owen Was Her). It's seems so utterly scarce. I can only find one reference to this piece you have mentioned in quora.
Also, the sheets I found for his Death Waltz actually go very well with the sound of that video (the same one you used in your playlist), that's why I'm intrigued. It's as shown in this midi performance:
czcams.com/video/n-Ai8BSCzpo/video.html
Of course, that is unless the image of his score is also fake and its title is actually Prelude in the style of Bach.
some people here ought to touch grass
Classical piano*
Forgive me for being “ignorant”, but I’ve always thought 4”33’ was really dumb.
Damn this list sucks i can play the last one :)
Schönberg is not classical music
What?! This is Master if you terrble notes this song was too extreme if you defficult level Make you mega notes but this very bad and so long
Last 2 were shitposts lmao
Ow my ears hurt guys this song too loud L take it off
8:17 Basic piano song in Ohio
Mephisto waltz??????????
It’s in my other video!
@@acactus2190 oh. Ok
nah a stupidly difficult isn't complete without ferneyhough/any new complexity composer
He LITERALLY put xenakis.
@@pulsar2049 Xenakis is not new complexity
@@dzordzszs John stump 😅
Hello, I appreciate your list however I saw you used my John Stump's score video without permission or credits, could you please leave the site or else I would like to report the video :) thank you, please read
Why no Shostakovich?
He don't make piano pieces
@@ludwigvanbeethoven356 what?
Because this is not meant to be a comprehensive list
@@ludwigvanbeethoven356 lol?
You make the term "horrifying" sound vague. What exactly do you mean by it? The difficulty or the emotions the piece envokes? How come Beethoven's Hammerklavier sonata is low on the list? It doesn't remotely sound horrifying. Unless you're referring to the difficulty, then you would be right. I just find the way you rank these pieces confusing. And as a side note, if you're gonna switch to the next Mr. Incredible phase, don't just abruptly cut out a section in a piece. You're making the video long anyway so why do that? I felt like pointing this out because I was really enjoying the finale of Liszt's Sonata in B minor until the video abruptly cut to the next phase without the section being finished yet. Also, please credit the recordings of the pieces. It would be frustrating to take multiple hours of my time just to search through a recording of a performance you sampled.
Hmm thanks for the feedback, but don’t take this video seriously, as it isn’t meant to be a definitive rank. I made this video for fun, so if you want to enjoy the pieces, maybe look up the recording. I will put the performers in the description later.
I think he meant "dissonance/dissonant"
@@acactus2190 How shouldn’t we take this seriously, Cactus or whatever your name is? Your video is already at 3.5k and will increase in the future, how do you know your video won’t go viral? Well the list is much more legit I do have to say, but what I’m trying to make clear is, be serious. Don’t fool around
@@IEEMAZ_Convoluted_14.2.8.5 sorry, but how am I fooling around? I have no intention to make videos go viral, so no: I am not chasing clout. I make videos because I like to make videos, the videos just got lucky and got views.
@@acactus2190 doesn’t matter, because you’re not going to be able to control how it goes viral. For your information, these type of videos can go viral in just a few days
It says "classical music" but the most of the pieces aren't music at all. Why is that?
They are music.
This person is a troll, just ignore their comments
For the previous video, you have 2 options. Remove it, or change the title to “cliche classical music”. Changing the title proves your selfishness though since it’s got 20k views.
how am I selfish? I made these vids because I like them. It got views because it got views: I never expected them to, but they did. Bother to explain? And no I am not gonna change the title, because not everyone here is a classical musician dude. Changing the title will help no one.
@@acactus2190 Then educate them! Dude are you like, I don’t want to be impertinent but, are you supposed to tell me, you, who already got a video over 20k views, aren’t removing something you know is not correct/accurate, and not selfish for popularity? Tell me. Don’t you like fame? Don’t you want eminence? Don’t deny it. You do. You want views. Everyone does. And fine, if you don’t want to remove it, change the title. What’s the difficulty? A majority don’t even look at the comments so are you going to expect them to look for this video? People in the world are so stupid, they see information and believe it’s true, no matter if it’s true or lie. In addition, Not every viewer being a classical musician totally has nothing to do with the entire arguement. Fallacious and implausible reasoning. Balderdash. Garbage. That’s indubitable
Oh my god your so corny 😂
Or you could admit his accuracy on both videos.
@@pulsar2049 I already did. I said he knew more truth than Rousseau and Vinherieto